How incredible; how amazing; that emptiness is intertwined with compassion.

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    André A. Pais
    Intertwined may not be the best term. It sounds like 2 things brought together.


  • Geovani Geo
    Which term would you use?


    André A. Pais
    No term is perfect, but perhaps inseparable, one with, of one taste, etc. Intertwined is a very visual thing, like 2 strings spinning around each other. Imo. I'm not native of the English language.

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  • Geovani Geo
    Neither am I.


  • John Tan
    Geovani Geo y incredible and amazing?


  • Geovani Geo
    John Tan, well.... I did not expect you to ask that... so lets say its a special koan just for you 🙂


  • John Tan
    Geovani Geo lol. Usually ppl only say it is "incredible" and "amazing" due to "inseparability" or "interwined" because it was once thought to be distinct and separated.
    The buddhist term used is "non-arisen" in the sense that "separation" never existed in the first place; therefore compassion is not the result of realizing emptiness, not a cause-effect relationship.

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  • Geovani Geo
    Maybe we mean the same although what you wrote sounds a bit too 'mental'. And whatever I could say will also sound 'mental', but...
    Emptiness has a heart - amazing!


  • John Tan
    Geovani Geo Emptiness is for us to realize this heart (suchness) free from taints (essence, references) other than that, it has no purpose. It is not exactly a mental enterprise, quite contrary, it is the cessation of such proliferated activities.
    The direct and simultaneity pointing to one's "heart" is another approach. The issue is when practitioners authenticate suchness pre-maturely with such approach without seeing through emptiness of "named phenomena", they ended up fooling and losing themselves in wonderland.

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  • Geovani Geo
    Of course, emptiness has no purpose. Even conventional space has no purpose. The moment "emptiness" gives raise to intellectual fabrications of any kind its already wonderland. The farther I can go with this right now, without any reference to any 'school' or 'teaching', is to say that 'emptiness' is the realization of absolute lack of references as time or location.
    "Emptiness has a heart", is not pointing to any specific area of the body, its not some tantric teaching or approach. It is a an insight that occurred here regarding the all-good intent of impersonal suchness. But now, again, 'all-good' and 'intent' have no known moral or causal connotations that the localized conditioned mind could deal with in any way.


  • John Tan
    Geovani Geo what is the "emptiness" u r talking about?


  • Geovani Geo
    The question made using a 'what', makes no sense, John. As I wrote above: "The farther I can go with this right now, without any reference to any 'school' or 'teaching', is to say that 'emptiness' is the realization of absolute lack of references as time or location."


  • John Tan
    Geovani Geo don't be immobilized. It will lead u nowhere. Emptiness is not to mislead u into a position where one can't clearly discern left from right. It is clear and conventions has valid connotations.

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  • John Tan
    Geovani Geo if however u r referring to direct pointing to one's mind that is a different matter.


  • Geovani Geo
    What do you mean by "don't be immobilized"?


  • John Tan
    Geovani Geo just let it be.


  • Geovani Geo
    But the realization of emptiness, of its natural unborn heart is tantamount to total 'letting it be'. It is the opposite only if 'emptiness' becomes conceptual.


  • Geovani Geo
    About "mind', it depends on the meaning, right? It can refer to the conditioned ground of the localized 'human', or the ineffable empty ground of all there is.

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