Would
be even better if Da Zhao Fa Shi explained how the I AM realization,
which is an actual spiritual realization although only on the Clarity
aspect of Mind, and not its empty nature, leads to the sort of views
that Xiao Ping Shi is holding. It is not just an 'imagined' state but a
sort of spiritual realization, the realization of I AM, but not its
empty nature, turning it into the ultimate source and ground of being.
(3:56 PM) Thusness: There is no Awareness and Sound.
(3:56
PM) Thusness: Awareness is that Sound. It is because we have certain
definition of Awareness that the mind cannot sync Awareness and Sound
together.
(3:56 PM) AEN: icic..
(3:57
PM) Thusness: When this inherent view is gone, it becomes very clear
that Appearance is Awareness, everything is nakedly exposed and
unreservedly experienced effortlessly.
(3:57 PM) AEN: oic..
(3:58 PM) Thusness: a person hit a bell, no sound is being produced. Mere conditions.

(3:58 PM) Thusness: Tong, that is awareness.
(3:58 PM) AEN: icic..
(3:59 PM) AEN: wat u mean by no sound is being produced
(3:59 PM) Thusness: u go experience and think lah
(3:59 PM) Thusness: no point explaining.
(3:59 PM) AEN: no locality rite, its not produced from something
(4:00 PM) Thusness: no
(4:00 PM) Thusness: hitting, bell, person, ears, whatever whatever are summed as 'conditions'
(4:00 PM) Thusness: necessary for 'sound' to arise.
(4:00 PM) AEN: icic..
(4:01 PM) AEN: oh the sound is not externally existing
(4:01 PM) AEN: but just an arising of condition
(4:01 PM) Thusness: nor internally existing
(4:01 PM) AEN: icic
(4:02 PM) Thusness: then the mind think, 'I' hear.
(4:02 PM) Thusness: or the mind think I am an independent soul.
(4:02 PM) Thusness: Without me there is no 'sound'
(4:02 PM) Thusness: but i am not the 'sound'
(4:02 PM) Thusness: and the ground reality, the base for all things to arise.
(4:03 PM) Thusness: this is only half true.
(4:03 PM) Thusness: a deeper realisation is there is no separation. We treat 'sound' as external.
(4:03 PM) Thusness: not seeing that as 'conditions'
(4:03 PM) Thusness: there is no sound out there or in here.
(4:04 PM) Thusness: it is our subject/object dichotomy way of seeing/analysing/understanding that makes it so.
(4:04 PM) Thusness: u will have an experience soon.
