tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post2707243162075409254..comments2024-03-18T10:07:38.422+08:00Comments on Awakening to Reality: Dzogchen, Rigpa and Dependent OriginationSohhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-10365578416461671612016-09-21T08:40:54.838+08:002016-09-21T08:40:54.838+08:00Such contorted obfuscation communicates nothing of...Such contorted obfuscation communicates nothing of value except the deep confusion of the speaker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-27482801135423704412013-10-12T13:38:38.726+08:002013-10-12T13:38:38.726+08:00More by Kyle:
I'm pretty sure it was just Mal...More by Kyle:<br /><br />I'm pretty sure it was just Malcolm's way of saying that the same appearance is experienced in pure and impure vision<br /><br />And that lhun grub underlies dependently originated phenomena.<br /><br />Once the mind arises out of lhun grub and starts making abstractions its always lhun grub but unrecognized<br /><br />Not that the mind actually arises. It's just delusion about the nature of appearance.<br /><br />And lhun grub is always inseparable from ka dag, so totally empty and free from extremes. Ka dag and lhun grub are just like the moon in water metaphor. Lhun grub is the appearance of the moon, ka dag is the fact that it's not a moon or anything real.Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-42505763966223954942013-10-12T12:05:50.555+08:002013-10-12T12:05:50.555+08:00Kyle (asunthatneversets) informed me, "I'...Kyle (asunthatneversets) informed me, "I'm pretty sure it just refers to the same phenomena being perceived in its pure form. I know Malcolm has said before.. Or perhaps I read it elsewhere, that once vidyā is completely stable everything arises as wisdom. So the structuring of relative experience can still occur but there's no danger of falling into afflicted dualistic experience. The same nidānas can 'link up' in a conventional sense but this time they never deviate from the explicit knowledge of the three kāyas. Which means there is no true 'nidānas' per se, just the lhun grub of primordial wisdom."Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-34941968611541830792013-10-10T08:28:38.794+08:002013-10-10T08:28:38.794+08:00Hi!
Thank you for sharing this with us.
I'm ...Hi!<br /><br />Thank you for sharing this with us.<br /><br />I'm interested in this fragment:<br /><br />"the nidanas of nirvana begin with vidyā (rigpa)"<br /><br />Could you add some information about these nidanas?<br /><br />Thanks again!<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940736766696227585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-39652958867300837202012-08-24T16:50:33.964+08:002012-08-24T16:50:33.964+08:00Assuming something beyond Dependent Origination ma...Assuming something beyond Dependent Origination makes us to cling that entity as independent and inherently existing from it own side. This kind of subtle hypostasization of an absolute reality can give feeble minds some sort of security but it can generate a very subtle clinging and grasping that binds us to the rounds of the endless suffering.Global Buddhismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18039697422064459518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-39684295136558420992010-11-12T23:52:34.204+08:002010-11-12T23:52:34.204+08:00Thanks for clarifying, Anonymous :)Thanks for clarifying, Anonymous :)Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-10735276267619975692010-11-10T08:37:37.646+08:002010-11-10T08:37:37.646+08:00Zhi Rigpa is Rigpa of the base or bzhi rig pa in t...Zhi Rigpa is Rigpa of the base or bzhi rig pa in tibetan. Rigpa of the base is inseparable of rigpe tsel or the play of rigpa, thus D.O. is inherent to Rigpa of the base, as rigpe tsel is D.O. Being rigpa beyond mind it does not mean that is beyond dependent origination. it means that is beyond any conditioning in the sense that is not a product.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-40752888290086183292010-10-10T11:05:13.966+08:002010-10-10T11:05:13.966+08:00Hi marcg,
I'm not familiar with the term '...Hi marcg,<br /><br />I'm not familiar with the term 'Zhi Rigpa'. Can you provide articles or info on this? What's the difference between 'Zhi Rigpa' and 'Rigpa' in general and how does 'Zhi Rigpa' go beyond D.O.?Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-76828564052014933392010-10-03T21:25:27.994+08:002010-10-03T21:25:27.994+08:00Zhi Rigpa does go beyond dependent origination.The...Zhi Rigpa does go beyond dependent origination.The teaching of form is emptiness emptiness is form as expressed in the Heart sutra is not the final state.In Dzogchen they refer to the aforementioned rigpa as being beyond mind- and hence dependent origination.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11498524653196881734noreply@blogger.com