tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post849078535082628985..comments2024-03-18T10:07:38.422+08:00Comments on Awakening to Reality: Difference between "Luminosity" and "Clarity"Sohhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-58102032333302201842015-07-24T12:54:27.341+08:002015-07-24T12:54:27.341+08:00My understanding is, that 'knowing' is to ...My understanding is, that 'knowing' is to 'mind' as 'wetness' is to 'water' - mind is inherently 'knowing', 'knowing' is inherent to 'mind'. <br><br>I think the words 'clarity' and 'luminous' are metaphorical expressions for that. Mind is not actually luminous - because luminous literally means 'to glow with light'. So mind is intrinsically knowing, but that is a very hard thing to express, because there is nothing like that, other than mind itself.circadianhttp://sunyavadi.blogspot.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-73704143328310477132015-06-19T19:34:33.135+08:002015-06-19T19:34:33.135+08:00Ahh! the word luminous can have two meaning. Yes I...<br>Ahh! the word luminous can have two meaning. Yes I see. Emptiness = pure works for me but I have difficulty equating them with luminous. I am happy with Thusness use of luminous in his passage :<br> <br>See that there is no one behind thoughts.<br>First, one thought then another thought.<br>With deepening insight it will later be revealed,<br>Always just this, One Thought!<br>Non-arising, luminous yet empty!"<br><br>Thanks again Soh, with gratitude David <br>Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-58506115886006563742015-06-19T19:33:29.302+08:002015-06-19T19:33:29.302+08:00Ahh! the word luminous can have two meaning. Yes I...<br>Ahh! the word luminous can have two meaning. Yes I see. Emptiness = pure works for me but I have difficulty equating them with luminous. I am happy with Thusness use of luminous in his passage :<br> <br>See that there is no one behind thoughts.<br>First, one thought then another thought.<br>With deepening insight it will later be revealed,<br>Always just this, One Thought!<br>Non-arising, luminous yet empty!"<br><br>Thanks again Soh, with gratitude David <br>Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-15284495166294638102015-06-18T07:53:49.148+08:002015-06-18T07:53:49.148+08:00They are interchangeable. But some teachers may us...They are interchangeable. But some teachers may use the term "luminosity" to mean "clarity". So always check the context.Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-31821620977502330822015-06-18T04:18:11.613+08:002015-06-18T04:18:11.613+08:00Many thanks Soh, I am very grateful for your time....Many thanks Soh, I am very grateful for your time. So if I understand correctly, pure = emptiness = luminosity. Can these words be used interchangeable, or do they each carry their own subtle meaning that can not be translated into English? I do understand that these words are just pointers to that beyond conception but it would be good to be looking in the right direction.<br>Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-74983125654734618622015-06-16T14:47:09.745+08:002015-06-16T14:47:09.745+08:00Sorry forgot to mention, those are quoted from Mal...Sorry forgot to mention, those are quoted from Malcolm.Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-53322578766024697442015-06-16T14:45:52.265+08:002015-06-16T14:45:52.265+08:00Means free from afflictions and delusional constru...Means free from afflictions and delusional constructs/reifications like subject and object, existence and non-existence.<br><br>"Within self-emergent primordial gnosis,<br>there are no objects to be experienced,<br>There is nothing which has previously passed away,<br>Nor anything which will subsequently emerge,<br>Nor anything at all which currently appears.<br><br>There is no karma,<br>There are no latent karmic propensities,<br>There is no dimmed awareness,<br>There is no mind,<br>There is no psyche,<br>There is no insight,<br>There is no cyclic existence,<br>And there is no transcendence of misery -<br>It is not the case that even awareness itself exists.<br><br>There is nothing whatsoever which manifests within primordial gnosis.<br><br>- excerpt from The Tantra Of The Wordless Secret<br>(Absence Of Letters | yi ge med pa) or (Letterless Tantra | yi ge med pa'i rgyud)"<br><br>............<br><br>Actually, what is being said is that space is pure, as the Śatasāhasrika-prajñāpāramitā states:<br><br> Due to the element of space being naturally luminous, it is pure and without afflictions. <br><br><br>Vasubandhu echos this in the Āryākṣayamatinirdeśaṭīkā:<br><br> Luminosity is natural because its nature is pure. <br><br><br>And:<br><br> Since so-called "luminosity" is free from the temporary taint of subject and object because there is no reification, it is explained as naturally pure. The concept that there is a subject and object is called "reification"; since there is no concept of the existence of subject and object, so-called "luminosity" means "the characteristic of natural purity."<br><br><br>And:<br><br> Since the obscurations of knowledge and affliction do not exist, the luminosity of discerning wisdom (prajñā) is explained as "the purity of discerning wisdom."<br><br><br>Bhavaviveka states in the Tarkajvala:<br><br>"Luminous clarity" is so called because of being free from the darkness of affliction and objects of knowledge.<br><br>Jayānanda states in the Madhyamakāvatāraṭīkā-nāma:<br><br> It says in sūtra that "Tathāgatagarbha" means "All sentient beings have tathāgatagarbha." That passage concerns tathāgatagarbha. "Natural luminosity" means that natural luminosity is immaculate. It's characteristic is what which is pure. "Pure from the start" meanings immaculate from the beginning like space. "Possessing the thirty two major marks means possessing the nature of emptiness.<br><br><br>And:<br><br> So called "luminosity" means the nature of emptiness is intrinsically pure.<br><br><br>Prajñamokṣa's Madhyamakopadeśa-nāma-vṛtti states:<br><br> Luminosity is natural purity.<br><br><br>I could go on citing Indian masters, but there is not much point.Sohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-56472224202743046082015-06-16T14:37:41.689+08:002015-06-16T14:37:41.689+08:00What is the meaning of 'pure' in this cont...What is the meaning of 'pure' in this context?Davidnoreply@blogger.com