Showing posts with label Jean Klein. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Jean Klein. Show all posts


  • Soh Wei Yu
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    Liberating shadows has to do with overcoming the dichotomy of 'self' and 'otherness' imputed upon appearances.
    All the advises above are good.. just like to add this, sorry if it doesn't really address the OP.
    Session Start: Tuesday, 10 July, 2007
    (11:47 AM) AEN: wat u tink: Questioner: In certain situations in life I feel blocked by a fear which prevents me from acting. How can I be free from this obstacle?
     
    Jean Klein: First free yourself from the word, the concept, 'fear'. It is loaded with memory. Face only the perception. Accept the sensation
    completely. When the personality who judges and controls is completely absent, when there is no longer a psychological relationship with the
    sensation, it is really welcomed and unfolds. Only in welcoming without a welcomer can there be real transformation.
     
    We are in essence one with all existence; when we truly observe ourselves there is ultimately no observer, only observation - awareness.

    In simple openness which is welcoming you will come to accept and get to know your negative feelings, desires and fears. Once welcomed and nondirected attention to these feelings will burn themselves up, leaving only silence.”

    (11:48 AM) AEN: btw have u seen ur email?
    (11:48 AM) Thusness has changed his/her status to Online
    (11:49 AM) Thusness: what jean klein said is very true. 🙂
    (11:50 AM) Thusness: however the naked awareness must be practiced to quite a great stability to achieve that. It has to penetrate to the depth of our consciousness otherwise 'fear' will continue to surface and we would have to again accept the sensation till the "personality who judges and controls is completely absent" and that is being naked and bare.
    (11:51 AM) AEN: icic..
    (11:51 AM) Thusness: what you asked in the second question of ur mail is true. All the 3 aspects of self-liberation is regarding 'the sense of self'.
    (11:52 AM) AEN: oic
    (11:52 AM) Thusness: but it is again a form of perception shift that resulted in effortless liberation.
    (11:52 AM) AEN: icic..
    (11:52 AM) AEN: how about the other email... the v long one
    (11:52 AM) AEN: have u read?
    (11:52 AM) Thusness: because it is very long, i have not. 😛
    (11:52 AM) Thusness: ehehehe
    (11:53 AM) Thusness: wat are the 3-2-1 about?
    (11:54 AM) AEN: hahaha
    (11:55 AM) AEN: ...” You're not going to feel fear, you're going to feel, “I hate you so much I want to kill you” or “I'm so angry at you I could rip your head off” or something like that. So that's the way that you can - to some degree, on your own, and at least as a sort of introduction/initiation into it - you can get a sense of your shadow, because it's really helping you feel almost the opposite of what you think you're feeling. Like I say, just feeling your feelings and getting in touch with your feelings and all that, that won't get you in touch with your shadow, because your shadow is the opposite of what you feel, and that's just a pretty good definition of what the shadow is - the opposite of what you're consciously feeling...”
    (11:56 AM) AEN: “
    One of the things that's great about shadow work is it doesn't just have you say, feel into your feelings, get in touch with feelings, how do you feel about it, etc. It actually takes the opposite of how you feel and says “OK, feel that.” Because that's pretty much what your shadow is, is the opposite of what you're consciously aware of. So as I say, using the monster example again, if you are out of touch with your aggression, your anger - and, incidentally, for Buddhists to say, “well, you're never supposed to feel anger,” the point it, well, if you're unconsciously feeling it, you have to consciously feel it first, and then you can try to transcend it or transmute it - but for you to just go around saying, “I'm not going to feel anger now,” that just seals your repression. So the worst possible thing you can do if you have repressed negatives like anger or aggression is to get caught up in one of those practices that say that aggression is the root of all evil because your shadow loves that kind of stuff.”
    (11:56 AM) AEN:
    Ken: Well, that's probably not your shadow - you're just getting in touch with the primary mood of the separate self, and the self-contraction just is a feeling of suffering and a feeling of fear, that's just sort of all it is; and so there's no specific shadow content to that. If you're just on the verge of entering a causal or a nondual state the fear is just fear of dying, it's just fear of death. It's with specific content elements that the shadow 3-2-1 process is meant to work, but there are all sorts of other negative emotions and so on that don't really have this specific type of shadow content, and so 3-2-1 wasn't meant to cover those and wouldn't cover that.
    (11:57 AM) AEN: ...”So a shadow element would be some part of you that is inducing fear and gets something out of it; but in any event you want to just try to increase it, because you are generating these feelings of fear but you don't know how you're doing it. Fritz Perls used to say it's like somebody coming in and they're pinching themselves, and you can see them pinching themselves, but all they tell you is, “I've got a pain here, it hurts.” And you say, “Well, stop pinching yourself!” “I'm not pinching myself!” [both laugh] And you go, “OK, try to make the pain worse.” In other words, if you can see that you're producing the pain of pinching, once you see that you're doing it, you won't ask how to stop. You'll just stop! Because it's a voluntary movement, it's like once you see that you've got your hand in the air, you can put it down.
    (11:57 AM) Thusness: in summary what is it trying to convey? 😛
    (11:58 AM) AEN: i tink its about becoming aware of some of our unconscious parts of our ego identification/momentum?
    (11:59 AM) Thusness: by?
    (11:59 AM) AEN: huh
    (12:00 PM) Thusness: the way of sensing, what did they suggest?

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    (12:07 PM) Thusness: what is shadow?
    (12:08 PM) AEN: it say “ Because that's pretty much what your shadow is, is the opposite of what you're consciously aware of. So as I say, using the monster example again, if you are out of touch with your aggression, your anger - and, incidentally, for Buddhists to say, “well, you're never supposed to feel anger,” the point it, well, if you're unconsciously feeling it, you have to consciously feel it first, and then you can try to transcend it or transmute it - but for you to just go around saying, “I'm not going to feel anger now,” that just seals your repression.”
    (12:09 PM) Thusness: so what does that mean?
    (12:11 PM) AEN: the internet says shadow is “the part of the unconscious self that a conscious mind sees as undesirable and tries to define as the "other."
    (12:11 PM) Thusness: good
    (12:12 PM) Thusness: and the solution?
    (12:12 PM) AEN: by feeling/being it?
    (12:12 PM) Thusness: yes and no.
    (12:12 PM) AEN: how come
    (12:12 PM) Thusness: it has to be like that jean klein said.
    (12:12 PM) AEN: oic
    (12:13 PM) Thusness: That is just the first step.
    (12:13 PM) Thusness: this is a form of practice like vipassana
    (12:13 PM) Thusness: however the true insight does not arise yet.
    (12:14 PM) Thusness: it is just like practicing insight meditation does not equal the arising of non-dual insight.
    (12:14 PM) AEN: icc..
    (12:14 PM) Thusness: but once u r truly non-dual, then u know it is like that. 🙂
    (12:14 PM) Thusness: just like longchen [Soh: Sim Pern Chong], given enough time, whatever he said will be like Buddha.
    (12:14 PM) Thusness: but he need not read what that is taught by Buddha.
    (12:15 PM) AEN: oic..
    (12:15 PM) Thusness: however by reading it, it may help him and speed up his progress.
    (12:15 PM) AEN: icic
    (12:15 PM) AEN: u got ask him to read the sutras? 😛
    (12:15 PM) Thusness: the difference is he does not like to be labelled.
    (12:15 PM) Thusness: nope
    (12:15 PM) AEN: oic
    (12:15 PM) AEN: labelled as a buddhist?
    (12:15 PM) Thusness: anything
    (12:16 PM) Thusness: as for me, i don't mind...ehehe
    (12:16 PM) AEN: lol
    (12:17 PM) AEN: btw u read jean klein b4?
    (12:17 PM) Thusness: no
    (12:17 PM) Thusness: but i think someone posted some posts b4
    (12:17 PM) AEN: oic where
    (12:17 PM) Thusness: dunno...i thought it is in ur forum?
    (12:17 PM) Thusness: if it is not in ur forum, then i don't know..
    (12:17 PM) Thusness: maybe not.
    (12:17 PM) Thusness: lol
    (12:17 PM) AEN: jean klein is advaita one
    (12:17 PM) AEN: not buddhist
    (12:18 PM) AEN: i tink one of nisagardatta’s student, not sure
    (12:19 PM) Thusness: ic

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