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Everything is Meditating

 

Jayson MPaul

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Just saw through a subtle tendencies to separate and divide in experience. I was sitting down to meditate and I realized that every sensation is the meditating. No one is more the meditating than not. Since the sound of the bird is very much the bird, the bird is the meditating too. Everything interpenetrates like this. Then perception flipped into a single sense door. Total being. In every activity, all sensations are the activity. Seeing with one's ears and hearing with one's eyes is clear.

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Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
So since there is meditating ("here"), the whole universe meditates (/ shares in the meditating)?

Jayson MPaul
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Yes. It came upon by noticing that every sensation that happens while meditating has been the act of meditating. There is no meditating beyond all sensations and Meditating is fully inclusive of all. All activities can be recognized to be this way as well.
Before it was more like, there is sound separate from the activity of meditating. But drawing lines like that is just inhibitting undivided seamless experiencing.
Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
Yeah; the drawn lines.
So right now, Jayson is taking the bus 😛
So are ya’ll others!
Soh Wei Yu
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When expressed this way sometimes some people may mishear it in terms of panpsychism but this is not necessarily our view. Like the rock is literally conscious and meditating but thats not what we mean
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André A. Pais
Tks. These conversations with Karma Phuntsho are very interesting.
John Tan, what do you think of the following video, taken from the same interview, where Jinpa kind of distances Tsongkhapa from the Zen (and Dzogchen) tradition? Because you've previously made the connection between Tsongkhapa and Dōgen.
Thupten Jinpa: On the Buddha-Nature of Insentient Things
Thupten Jinpa: On the Buddha-Nature of Insentient Things
Thupten Jinpa: On the Buddha-Nature of Insentient Things
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André A. Pais I think Jinpa may not be familiar with zen language and is taking it too literally rather than metaphorically to express first person non-dual experience. This is similar to Mipham 2 models of 2 truths, one from authentic/non-authentic experience standpoint and the other from ontological 2 truth standpoint.
Jinpa is talking from the ontological 2 truth model where zen or other direct path traditions r talking from the former authentic experience model.
For the authentic experience 2-truth model, since both self and others are de-constructed in the ultimate, the taste of purity, presence and aliveness permeates everything in experience, both sentient and insentient included. It doesn't mean the insentient is conscious as in panpsychism. That is my opinion.
As for Tsongkhapa and Dogen, both masters respect the conventional and their attitudes towards conduct and karma are uncompromising. Also Tsongkhapa deep interest in Avatamsaka Sutra and Dogen's total exertion make me even want to connect both of them more. 🤪
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Thupten Jinpa: On the Buddha-Nature of Insentient Things
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    Weight of a Thought

     

      John Tan

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      How heavy are thoughts?
      Where are their roots?
      It is not uncommon to hear in the spiritual circle phrases like "the 'I' is just a thought" or "thought is empty and spacious, there is no weight or root to it".
      While the rootlessness and the space-like nature of "thoughts" should be pointed out, one must not be misled into thinking they have seen through "anything" much less up-rooted the deeply seated conceptual notions of "I/mine", "body/mind", "space/time"...etc.
      So emphasis must also be placed on the other side of the coin. "Thoughts" are astonishingly heavy like a black-hole (size of a pinhole, weight of a star); the roots of conceptual notions" they carry permeate our entire being and everywhere.
      The "roots" of thoughts are no where to be found also means they can be found anywhere and everywhere, spreaded across the 3 times and 10 directions -- in modern context, over different time-lines across the multiverse. In other words, "this arises, that arises".

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      Yin Ling
      Need to hear this when so much thoughts 💭 popping up 😫🤦🏻‍♀️


      • Jace Min
      Sensing the weight of this wisdom. 🙏


      • Geovani Geo
      The weight is anchored as a pre-conceived centered ongoing entity called 'me'. It is pre-conceived because thoughts conceive it as being prior to the very thought that conceives it.

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      Geovani Geo in fact any imagined notion reified as real takes up lots of energy.

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    听时全是耳， 受时全是身， 应时全是缘， 笑时全身乐。

     

      John Tan

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      When listening to the rain drops and roaring thunder, feeling the intimacy:
      听时全是耳，
      受时全是身，
      应时全是缘，
      笑时万法乐。
      Not translating. More poetic. 😁

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      Yin Ling
      What is 应？


      John Tan
      Yin Ling "meeting". When conditions meet.


      • Yin Ling
      John Tan ok got it 谢谢。


      • John Tan
      Yin Ling Just capturing the 意境... First when hearing the rain and thundering, then the intimacy in feeling. Then the thought of seamlessness of the "meeting" conditions, then the joy.🤪

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      • Yin Ling
      John Tan oh I thought it was 4 separate 意境.. ok now it is completely different haha

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        • Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
        "Not translating. More poetic. 😁"
        I’m sure your translation would be more poetic than the automatic one I got:
        "All ears while listening,
        It's all over the body,
        It's all about hatred when it comes to time,
        Laughter makes your body happy."




        • Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
        The FB Koan Collection


        • John Tan
        When hearing, all manifest as ears.
        When feeling, all manifest as body.
        When engaging, all manifest as conditions.
        When laughing, all dharma are in joy.


        • Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
        Nice. Reminds me of something Mason said once, but which I can’t find right now.
        Also reminds me of something Nyananada said:
        *
        “The word tajjo comes from tat + ja. Tat means ‘that [itself]’. It is the root of
        such important words as tādī and tammaya. So tatja means ‘arisen out of that
        itself’. What is samannāhāra? You might remember that, in the Caṅkī Sutta,
        the Buddha happens to see the Kāpaṭhika Brahmin youth. There we find the
        word upasaṃharati along with samannāhāra,[2] referring to a sort of focusing
        that may have not been planned – a chance meeting of eye to eye.
        Samannāhāra (āharati = brings) refers to a certain ‘bringing together’.
        “So tajjo samannāhāra points to the fact that this ‘bringing together’ of the
        necessary factors for the arising of consciousness is inherent to the situation
        itself. It is unique to the situation, and does not come from within a person or
        from the outside. It is not exerted by oneself or an external agent: some
        thought that there is an ātman inside who is in charge, while others said that it
        is a God that injects consciousness into the man. Letting go of all these
        extremes, Ven. Sāriputta Thera pointed out the crucial role of tajjo
        samannāhāra with his analysis of the three possibilities.”
        And then Bhante falls silent, and looks on with a smile.
        After a few moments, he asks: “What do you hear?”
        There is a bird singing in the distance.
        “Did it start singing only now?”
        It probably had started earlier (and now that I am listening to the tapes as I
        transcribe this, I know that it had started many minutes earlier).
        “It must have been singing all this while, but only now...” I say.
        “Only now...?”
        “Only now did the attention went there.”
        “There you have tajjo samannāhāra! So is it only because of the sound of the bird that you heard it? Didn’t you hear it only after I stopped talking? There
        could be other reasons too: had there been louder noises, you may not have
        heard it. So we see that it is circumstantial. That is why we mentioned in our
        writings: everything is circumstantial; nothing is substantial.”
        Please allow me to interject here and add that the last sentence would remain
        something that I’ll always cherish from these interviews. Not only because of
        the simple profundity of the statement or the nice little practical experiment
        that led up to it, but also because of the gentle kindness in the way it was
        uttered.
        “The attention that is present in a situation is to be understood as having
        arisen out of the circumstances. If there is anything of value in the Paṭṭḥāna,
        that would be here, in its analysis of the 24 causes. I can’t say for certain, but
        it may well be an attempt at systematising the general concept mentioned in
        this sutta: how a thought is connected to another. Since it is impossible to
        explain this mechanism by breaking it apart with words, Ven. Sāriputta Thera
        says it is circumstantial – unique to the situation itself.


        • Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
        Here is what Mason wrote:
        > We think our smile or our frown has some kind of metaphysical significance.
        But it's all bullshit.
        > When the conditions for smiling are there, then smiling is there.
        > When the conditions for frowning are there, then frowning.
        And:
        > When the conditions for seeing the world as a joke are there, the world is
        joke.
        > When the conditions for seeing the world as a horrible cycle of suffering are
        there, then the world is a horrible cycle of suffering

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        • John Tan
        "Smiling" and "frowning" should also not be taken as a "then" consequence of conditions as presented in the sevenfold reasoning of Chandra, hence, orignating dependently without establishment.

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