https://www.reddit.com/r/Buddhism/comments/sph1qt/buddhism_and_the_supernatural/hwff9pf/?context=3
"My advice is knowing our nature does not require us to "rojak" [Soh: turn quantum physics and spirituality into an eclectic mix] them at all and the benefits of practice is something very tangible. It can be realized, known and experienced including the supramadane abilities of buddha and bodhisattvas, the sambhogakaya body and buddhafields to those that r serious in practice. They maybe myth to some but not myth to me, at least it can be verified by first person experiences (imo) regardless how science think and that are already enough for me to cope." - John Tan, 2022
Jared K Jones:
....Honestly, it took me a long time looking at emptiness, the conventional nature of mind, and modern physics - as well as examples like the above - to say that these things are most likely true. I’m about 80% convinced.
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Session Start: Tuesday, April 17, 2007
(11:14 PM) AEN: btw wat u think about the supernatural topic (someone trained in shamatha asking for advice on development of siddhis/powers)
(11:14 PM) AEN: lol
(11:16 PM) Thusness: i wish i can discuss with him but he is not the person for me to discuss. :)
(11:16 PM) AEN: huh why
(11:16 PM) Thusness: anyway unless i am an irresponsible person, i will not discuss such thing in public forum.
(11:17 PM) AEN: oic
(11:17 PM) AEN: why is he not for u to discuss
(11:17 PM) Thusness: though i would very much like to.
(11:17 PM) AEN: icic
(11:18 PM) Thusness: infact i have been looking for someone that have perfected non-duality to writing something about non locality, i have told u b4.
(11:18 PM) AEN: oic
(11:18 PM) AEN: so wat r u saying.. u wan to discuss supernatural powers and non locality with someone?
(11:18 PM) AEN: as in someone non dual
(11:19 PM) Thusness: someone that has deep experience in non duality. :)
(11:19 PM) AEN: icic.. so tats why u don wan to discuss with the forum guy? cos he's not non dual yet?
(11:19 PM) Thusness: i do not wish to tok to ppl in samatha meditation.
(11:19 PM) AEN: why
(11:20 PM) Thusness: and only when i know the person is already enlightened. :)
(11:20 PM) Thusness: otherwise there is no point.
(11:21 PM) Thusness: and i do not want ppl to misinterpret the nature of these experiences.
(11:21 PM) Thusness: i also do not like ppl to bullshit about these experiences.
(11:21 PM) Thusness: and also do not like ppl to make fun of these experiences.
(11:21 PM) Thusness: lol
(11:21 PM) AEN: what u mean by bullshit and make fun
(11:21 PM) Thusness: i might leave something b4 my i die.
(11:21 PM) AEN: leave what?
(11:22 PM) Thusness: my experiences and how to get access to it after non-duality.
(11:22 PM) AEN: oic wat sort of experiences?
(11:22 PM) Thusness: u r not enlightened yet. :P
(11:22 PM) AEN: about supernatural powers? lol
(11:23 PM) Thusness: yeah. :)
(11:23 PM) Thusness: ur mind is not stable yet.
(11:23 PM) AEN: oic btw wats the uses of supernatural powers.. how can supernatural power help one and others
(11:24 PM) AEN: my mind not stable means?
(11:25 PM) Thusness: with ur current state of mind, u will not be able to correctly absorb in whatever aspect.
(11:26 PM) Thusness: whatever that is necessary are already stated in sutras
(11:26 PM) Thusness: there is really no point bringing it out to discuss.
(11:26 PM) Thusness: what one experiences for me is to break the perceptual bond that prevent us from knowing some subtle aspects of our mind.
(11:27 PM) Thusness: that is too difficult to break by merely just accepting things.
(11:28 PM) Thusness: the way to access to paranormal experiences differs.
(11:28 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:28 PM) Thusness: however for one that has stabilize non dual path, it is the natural progression to experience something non-local
(11:28 PM) Thusness: some non-local aspect of our nature.
(11:29 PM) Thusness: to understand our nature.
(11:29 PM) Thusness: what good is there really to discuss the non local aspect of it besides that?
(11:29 PM) Thusness: i do not like to call it supernatural power.
(11:29 PM) AEN: oic..
(11:30 PM) Thusness: u can c that i seldom call it so.
(11:30 PM) Thusness: i call it non local aspects of our nature.
(11:30 PM) AEN: icic
(11:30 PM) Thusness: as it is part of our nature.
(11:30 PM) Thusness: in line with emptiness.
(11:30 PM) Thusness: i do not like to deviate from the profound teachings of emptiness.
(11:30 PM) AEN: oic..
(11:31 PM) Thusness: of our nature. :)
(11:31 PM) AEN: icic
(11:31 PM) Thusness: that is why i also do not wish to discuss with anyone that is on concentration.
(11:31 PM) Thusness: coz it is not about wisdom and our nature.
(11:32 PM) AEN: btw theres difference rite between someone who gain those powers from concentration, and those who become enlightened and those so called powers actually arise from prajna?
(11:32 PM) Thusness: if u want to know, know what is our nature and practice.
(11:32 PM) AEN: icic
(11:32 PM) Thusness: i do not know, i have not discussed with them. :)
(11:36 PM) Thusness: first is the realisation.
(11:36 PM) AEN: what u mean
(11:36 PM) Thusness: u must realise what is meant by non duality.
(11:36 PM) Thusness: what is no-self
(11:36 PM) Thusness: realisation.
(11:37 PM) AEN: icic
(11:37 PM) Thusness: like longchen
(11:37 PM) Thusness: experience it.
(11:37 PM) Thusness: then ur dualistic thought will continue to confuse u.
(11:37 PM) Thusness: it is not easy to overcome
(11:37 PM) Thusness: until it has sunk so deep into ur consciousness
(11:37 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:38 PM) Thusness: that one day ur realisation and action become one...
(11:38 PM) Thusness: somehow u 'see' the pathless path towards non dual at every moment.
(11:39 PM) Thusness: but due to attachments, the experience of non duality through wisdom will not be thorough.
(11:39 PM) Thusness: so u must practice the other 5 paramitas
(11:39 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:40 PM) Thusness: then non dual in action can become one....to clear other forms of attachments and to further experience our boundless nature.
(11:40 PM) Thusness: but some of these bonds can be cleared if one is able to have non local experiences.
(11:40 PM) AEN: oic..
(11:41 PM) Thusness: certain attachments will subside due to these experiences.
(11:41 PM) Thusness: but the practice of the other 5 parimatas are more thorough.
(11:41 PM) Thusness: non local aspects of our nature if without sufficient wisdom will have side effects.
(11:42 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:42 PM) AEN: what side effects
(11:42 PM) AEN: 5 paramitas how does it help
(11:42 PM) AEN: in non attachment?
(11:42 PM) Thusness: to me side effects is always creating perceptual bond on other aspects.
(11:42 PM) Thusness: u eliminate one and u add 3.
(11:42 PM) Thusness: :)
(11:42 PM) AEN: oic...
(11:43 PM) Thusness: if non local aspects is experienced and u unknowingly add to our ego other form of bonds, then it is quite difficult to break.
(11:44 PM) Thusness: coz it was caused by non local experiences.
(11:44 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:44 PM) AEN: u mean like being identified/attached to having supernatural powers?
(11:45 PM) Thusness: one of them.
(11:45 PM) Thusness: or u may visit other realms and get attached?
(11:45 PM) Thusness: or u may contact spirits and be attached and dwell with them...
(11:45 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:45 PM) Thusness: u do not know... when u dwell...
(11:46 PM) Thusness: u may sink into deeper illusion into the realm that u have created without knowing
(11:46 PM) AEN: oic..
(11:46 PM) Thusness: it is not just a matter of ego. :)
(11:47 PM) AEN: yea teacher chen said
(11:47 PM) Thusness: it is our wisdom and clarity have not penetrated to the depth of seeing through these states.
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(7:16 PM) John: I hope the next book has what i want. :)
(7:16 PM) AEN: oic wat u want
(7:17 PM) John: eckhart tolle's yes. But i think not to Toni's level. That is my opinion. Toni's is almost mirror bright. But I just cannot understand certain thing.
(7:18 PM) AEN: oic..
(7:18 PM) AEN: cannot understand wat
(7:18 PM) John: about emptiness, there is something not there.
(7:18 PM) John: initially i thought it should be a natural progression.
(7:20 PM) AEN: as in?
(7:22 PM) AEN: u there?
(7:23 PM) John: toking to my dad and wife. :P
(7:23 PM) AEN: oic
(7:35 PM) John: you taken ur dinner?
(7:42 PM) AEN: yea
(7:43 PM) John: i hope to grab the new book when it arrives in Singapore.
(7:43 PM) AEN: oic ya me too
(7:56 PM) AEN: there?
(8:20 PM) You have just sent a Nudge!
(8:26 PM) John: just finished eating. :)
(8:27 PM) AEN: oic okie
(8:27 PM) AEN: so wat u mean about the emptiness
(8:29 PM) John: many ppl can only write until the level what toni wrote.... I am looking for some non locality experiences.
(8:31 PM) AEN: back
(8:32 PM) AEN: wat do u mean by non locality experiences
(8:32 PM) AEN: and why is it that many ppl can only write until wat toni wrote?
(8:35 PM) John: zen masters have that level of clarity. As for lay, seldom do i see ppl having that clarity. It is therefore difficult for people to write about anything after he/she
reaches that level of clarity. Unfortunately, real zen masters doesn't speak much. :)
(8:35 PM) John: when u listen, the sound is out there....how far can we hear?
(8:36 PM) AEN: as in physical distant?
(8:36 PM) John: yes
(8:37 PM) AEN: dunnu leh need measurement.. haha.. on the relative level
(8:37 PM) John: lol
(8:37 PM) John: wait for the books to be out lah...
(8:37 PM) AEN: huh??
(8:39 PM) AEN: so u mean toni packer didnt spoke of non locality
(8:39 PM) John: i do not know. Dunno she experience or not. :P
(8:39 PM) AEN: http://www.heartspace.org/misc/IndraNet.html
(8:39 PM) AEN:
4. Non-locality
Indra's Net shoots holes in the assumption or imputation of a solid and fixed universe 'out there'. The capacity of one jewel to reflect the light of another jewel from the other edge of
infinity is something that is difficult for the linear mind, rational mind to comprehend. The fact that all nodes are simply reflections indicates that there is no particular single source
point from where it all arises.
(8:39 PM) AEN: so have u read any books that spoke about non locality
(8:40 PM) John: this is interesting...
(8:40 PM) AEN: avatamasaka sutra.
(8:40 PM) AEN: and indra's net
(8:41 PM) AEN: http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=129929
(8:44 PM) John: have u watched superman?
(8:44 PM) AEN: yea
(8:45 PM) John: there is a part where he raise above the earth atmosphere and listen....he hears all...
(8:45 PM) John: i like that part.
(8:45 PM) John: :)
(8:45 PM) AEN: oic..
(8:45 PM) AEN: how come
(8:45 PM) John: just like lah...
(8:45 PM) AEN: oic
(8:45 PM) AEN: hahaha
(8:46 PM) AEN: like guan yin :P
(8:46 PM) John: yes. :)
(8:46 PM) AEN: my shi fu said something like... which i didnt quite understand... when u practise until certain level, in another universe, when a flower blossom u will know
(8:46 PM) AEN: cant remember isit exactly it
(8:46 PM) AEN: i tink not referring to supernatural powers
(8:47 PM) John: ur shi fu is who?
(8:47 PM) AEN: ven shen kai
(8:47 PM) John: sheng kai?
(8:47 PM) John: okie.
(8:47 PM) AEN: teacher chen is his dharma successor in charge of transmitting some important dharmas
(8:48 PM) John: ic...then li zhu teacher?
(8:48 PM) AEN: yup
(8:48 PM) AEN: oh
(8:48 PM) AEN: local teacher
(8:48 PM) John: so when u say shi fu, u r normally referring to ven sheng kai?
(8:48 PM) AEN: yea
(8:48 PM) AEN: hahaha
(8:48 PM) John: ic. :)
(8:48 PM) AEN: truthz maybe call 'shi gong'
(8:48 PM) AEN: cos different side
(8:49 PM) AEN: bcos li zhu lao shi is not chu jia
(8:49 PM) John: ic
(9:02 PM) AEN: "guan yin's practise is 'er gen yuan tong', whatever world has sentient beings calling for him, he will hear and save them. therefore if we are to attain buddhahood in this
world, even if there is a flower blossoming in another universe, we will know immediately, then we will attain budhahood'
(9:02 PM) AEN: i tink he mention about flower blossoming in another universe somewhere else too
(9:03 PM) AEN: in the 'kai shi lu' series
(9:03 PM) John: ic. You are very resourceful. :)
(9:04 PM) AEN: haha cos i just listen to this again recently
(9:04 PM) AEN: so i remember
(9:04 PM) John: ic
(9:08 PM) AEN: guan yin can listen cos he can access 'the ocean of self-nature'
(9:08 PM) AEN: is it some kind of supernatural power?
(9:09 PM) John: this might be possible through deep clarity....it relates to clearing of fetters.
(9:09 PM) AEN: oic
(9:09 PM) John: but like i said, not for u to delve into it now. :P
(9:09 PM) AEN: hahaha
(9:09 PM) AEN: ok
Session Start: Thursday, July 06, 2006
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(9:44 PM) AEN: still there?
(9:44 PM) AEN: so how is nonlocality experienced as
(9:57 PM) You have just sent a Nudge!
(11:19 PM) John: might be like superman. :)
(11:22 PM) AEN: har?
(11:22 PM) AEN: hahaha
(11:22 PM) AEN: as in really can hear very far? lol
(11:23 PM) John: what is emptiness?
(11:24 PM) AEN: empty of inherent existence (3 dharma seals), dependant arising?
(11:25 PM) John: how does consciousness arise?
(11:25 PM) AEN: conditioned arising
(11:25 PM) AEN: /dependant arising
(11:25 PM) John: and how does condition arise?
(11:25 PM) AEN: hmm like net of indra metaphor?
(11:26 PM) John: dunno...just arise. :P
When we look at Buddhism, Buddhism is very consistent. Why do I say that Buddhism is very consistent? Not because I like Buddhism. You see, a person saying that I have experienced Presence, and I AM the Eternal Witness, I AM God, I AM all powerful and I AM the First Cause, and yet, they see a dualistic world. This is in total conflict; this has totally no logic at all. Because, you see, in Buddhism when we talk about Non-Duality, we are saying something like the Dependent Origination. Because of This, That Is. This arises, That arises. This ceases, That ceases. We look at the entire formation, there is no “Who?” Where is the “Who?” When we ask “Where?”, there is no “Where?”. When we ask “When?”, there is no “When?” It can be 10 million miles away. It can be in another planet. The teaching is consistent. It does not require a “Who”, a “Where”, a “When”. Condition arises, it is there. It is not stored in any place, or anywhere. This is the teaching. The entire teaching is consistent when it comes to the practise. They didn’t say Concentration can lead to Insight. They tell you, Vipashyana Meditation can lead to Insight of what Reality is all about. It does not teach that there is a Self. The Buddha taught the three dharma seals: there is No-Self. So the teaching is consistent in terms of philosophy, in terms of meditation practice, and in terms of the truths that is being preached.
And also in terms of spiritual powers. When I say something like Clairvoyance... I can see, not bounded by distance. I can hear, not bounded by distance. How come? Why? If we were to take other religions, they can’t explain. But if you were to take Buddhism, Buddha had never told you, has never taught, something of an Ego, something of a Where, something of a When. It is not bounded by Time and Space at all in the entire philosophy. Never has he taught anything like that. And therefore, when we talk about spiritual powers, it is consistent. It is knowing without the need for a Space and Time, not bounded by Space and Time, because the entire teaching is so. And what is being said about this? It is the Nature. This is your nature. Reality is like that, it is so. Therefore, when we understand the teachings, we understand that yes, it is not right to be attached, therefore we cannot say we want to seek spiritual powers, like Nub. But we have to understand, this is our Nature, this is our Reality. Because the teaching has never contradicted itself. If you want to know about your reality, you have to practise. That is the teaching. And the practise has always been telling you to observe these 3 universal characteristics. So when we see the link between the practise, the philosophy, even something spiritual and something that is not scientific. This is important.
http://www.dreamdatum.com/non-solidity.html
The non-solidity of existence
These articles are parts of a series of spiritual realisation articles .
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Thusness/Passerby's comment on a related/largely similar post by Longchen in the forum:
Originally posted by longchen:Hi Friend,
Just my understanding only. For discussion sake. Also, I find this topic very interesting.
What appears to us are registered by all the sense organs. The eye sight sees some thing, the ears hear something, etc ,etc. There are not happening in some place. They are the arising of certain conditions.
To illustrate that what we experience is not standardised, we know that human beings see in term of colour range. Some animals are colour-blind. so they see differently. But none of us, is seeing the truth nature directly. The senses of different species of sentient beings experience things differently.
Likewise, the 31 planes of existence are due to different conditions arising. In the jhana meditation, one is said to be able to access these planes of existence. This is because they are not specific locations. They are mental states. In the jhanas, our consciousness changes and 'aligned' more with these other states or planes of existence.
All the planes of existence are simultaneously manifesting, but because our senses are human-based conditioned arisings, we only see the human world and other beings that shared 'similar' resonating arising conditions. But nevertheless, the other planes of existences are not elsewhere in some other places.
What we think of as places are really just consciousness. .. no solidity whatsoever. Even our touch sense is just that. It gives an impression of feeling something 3D with textures and so on so forth. But there is no solid self-existing object there... it is simply the sensation that gives the impression of solidity.
Hi Longchen,
I can see the synchronization of emptiness view into your non-dual experiences --. Integrating view, practice and experience. This is the essence of our emptiness nature and right understanding of non-dual experience in Buddhism that is different from Advaita Vedanta teaching. This is also the understanding of why Everything is the One Reality incorporating causes, conditions and luminosity of our Empty nature as One and inseparable. Everything as the One Reality should never be understood from a dualistic/inherent standpoint.
Indeed! You can see the how the view, practice and experience leading to the understanding of non-locality in terms of views, practices and experience.This also explains the nature of 'supernatural power' like clairvoyance and seeing things far away, etc.
Stage 6. The nature of Presence is Empty
Not only is there no ‘who’ in pristine awareness, there is no ‘where’ and ‘when’. This is its nature.
When there is this, that is.
With the arising of this, that arises.
When this is not, neither is that.
With the cessation of this, that ceases.
-- the principle of conditionality
The self-luminous awareness from beginning-less time has never been separated and cannot be separated from its conditions. They are not two -- This is, That is. Along with the conditions, Luminosity shines without a center and arises without a place. No where to be found. This is the emptiness nature of Presence.
- Soh Wei Yu Supernatural powers does exist and is not just magical thinking. But whether all stories are mythical or actually happened is another story. But as for siddhis, many people including John Tan has had experiences with them, various kinds. I have only very limited experiences with them compared to the other yogis, and mainly of a clairvoyant nature. I shall digress and just refer to others on this matter.
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/.../on...
Excerpt:
Daniel M. Ingram wrote:https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/318001#_19_message_319167
...As to crazy-ass experiences, here's a very short list: moving flames around with my mind with very Ghost-Busters-style energy blasts that accompanied the force that moved the flame, endless OBE stuff and lucid dream stuff, some of which was straight off the cushion and back to the cushion, predicting my wife having a car accident 4 years later accurately, hearing and seeing all manner of stuff (from British women chatting in their parlor about the news on the tele to pit preachers on Sunday morning talking about how the Buddhists in the monastery I was staying in would all go to Hell, and much, much more), have very profound and powerfully explanatory past-life experiences, have some bilocation-type experiences, being able to put my "ghost-hand" through a wall with all awareness and sensation perception then embodied in that rather than my usual body, being able to call up beyond-orgasmic bliss to roll through my body, being able to know to hit the breaks to slow down before I could possible see the deer about to run out in front of me on the way driving home, being able to make people do or stop doing various things (very grey morality territory here), being able to see and manipulate the energy channels in my body, being able to know who has called while the phone is ringing sometimes (lots of people can do that, actually), banishing a demon or two (whatever that means), and the endless crazy A&P stuff with my body exploding into energy and fire-works like experiences, bright lights, seeing through closed eye-lids, shaking, traveling, and many other strange things like that. There are more subtle magicks: long-range formally-cast intentions to have certain situations resolve within certain parameters, being able to feel what the person I was giving a back rub to was feeling and where the pain was, resolutions to have various jhanic experiences happen or to get stream entry or whatever, general subtle-energy manipulation in my body, rooms, situations, interactions, conversations, and even more subtle things: strange intuitions about how things will go, about what to do or not do in a certain situation. Even at times the musical things I write that just show up and seem unbidden seem magickal, but that's probably not what you were after.
While obviously this stuff is quite interesting, in the end, as they all say and are right, it is actually things like finishing the process of insight and being kind, wise in a relative way, and helpful that make the most difference in terms of how good your life will be, though those things can help with that, if used properly and kept in perspective, which for some, like me, takes seeing them so many times I finally got somewhat (though not completely) bored by them. In short, if you have some powers experience, don't quit your day job.
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Also see interview: DY 008 – “Meditation, Magick, and the Fire Kasina” – with guest Daniel Ingram
Thusness liked this article: http://integrateddaniel.info/magick-and-the-brahma-viharas/ - awakeningtoreality.blogspot.comOn "Supernatural Powers" or SiddhisOn "Supernatural Powers" or Siddhis
- Soh Wei Yu Also, check out this book:
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/.../dying-to-be-me...
She was not a trained yogi before her nde but her nde itself and recovery was very miraculous
It is an interesting book a new york times bestseller - Soh Wei Yu A post by Daniel Ingram this year -
“Might check out the book Real Magic, by Dean Radin, as well as some others, such as Supernormal and Entangled Minds, that is if you are interested in entertaining arguments that this stuff has long been proven and people just continue to reject it for fixed-paradigmatic/dogmatic reasons.
Might get your concentration strong, like really strong, and see what happens, as there is nothing like doing the experiment yourself to inform questions and views. That is always more satisfying than reading some words on an internet forum, and can lead to other benefits as well. Basically, if you actually care about this stuff, care about it in a way that gives you the benefits that deep, caring practice leads to. If you don't actually care that much, consider moving to a forum that is more for theoretical discussions and skepticism than practice. Talk is cheap but also typically unsatisfying in these areas for all concerned.
Haven't had anything in particular to do with Actualism in years, but did derive some interesting results from my experiments with it, and definitely don't regret that period of my practice, though I am happy that politics isn't happening now like it was then.
Best wishes,
Daniel”
- Soh Wei Yu Ken Wilber, Integral Meditation:
“These examples also point out that some of the “narrative” forms of religion that we talked about earlier are holdovers from this early Magic period in our evolution, because they take quite literally the miraculous stories in the Bible, for example (such as Moses parting the Red Sea). Even to this day, some adults are attracted to magical elements in their religion—they likely got involved with the religion in the first place because they are drawn to acts like magically walking on water, raising the dead, making the blind see, turning water into wine, and multiplying loaves and fishes. The religious practices of some sects might include things like handling live poisonous snakes, with the belief that their faith will magically protect them. (Unfortunately, a leader of one of the largest of these sects recently died, in his early 40s, after being bitten by a rattlesnake in one of these rituals.) And some present-day spiritual approaches, such as those described in The Secret and What the Bleep Do We Know? contain a heavy dose of this magic, which appeals, as we will see, to what’s called the egocentric or self-aggrandizing aspect of ourselves. This fantasy magic is a hidden
map in much of the “law of attraction” and several other New Age notions. Now, this infantile word-magic is quite different from actual paranormal capacities, such as real ESP, precognition, or telekinesis, or the value of a strongly held intention in achieving one’s goals. Strictly controlled scientific experiments have demonstrated, beyond a reasonable doubt, that some of these capacities are indeed very real.2 (footnote reference to Dr Roger Walsh, researcher in consciousness studies and related fields) But the success at these paranormal capacities seems to dramatically go down when the person is motivated by purely selfish, egocentric, narcissistic, or power drives. There’s a big difference between fantasy magic and real psychic capacities, so do keep that in mind. Now, you might have some of these essentially magical superstitious notions, but you can easily tell whether they are magical hidden maps, and not real psychic powers, by noting how many self-aggrandizing motivations are also occurring around the magic notions. If they are wishes for nothing but your own glorification, your own success, your own specialness, or for beating out all others for the prize, and you are using magical practices (which are essentially a form of exaggerated wish-fulfillment), then you might very well have a fair amount of your awareness stuck at this early stage, this magical, fantasy, egocentric stage. If so, you will take up meditation to marvelously increase your own greatness, or magically bring you boons (getting the girl, the car, the new house, the promotion), or cause you to automatically lose weight and become irresistibly gorgeous, and miraculously give you all your own egoic desires just like that!, and basically put you first and foremost in all the world (yikes!). If you have a fair number of these magical beliefs, the recommendation, of course, will be to recognize them, to recognize that hidden map in your life, see how much of your life these superstitious magical beliefs are governing, and then hold them up to direct awareness, bringing them under the sunlight of pure mindfulness and radiant presence, thus turning them into mere objects of awareness. See these beliefs as objects in your mindfulness field instead of using them as subjects, as hidden maps with which you see the world. Look at them, not through them. Look directly and intensely at them—stop looking through them or with them. Videotape them to death.” - Reply
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Aayush JainI better not write more otherwise it will turn into 西游记。Especially if I talk about my own experiences and John's experiences of meeting and receiving teachings from Buddhas and Bodhisattvas in dreams of clarity, meditation, etc but I think these are not very rare and has been written in books.1
One of the first 'students' of John Tan realised anatta in 2006 after being stuck at I AM for many years prior to meeting John Tan. Previously he was into a mystical group belonging to the Rosicrucian, the teachers were quite deeply experienced in the I AM to non dual and impersonality but not into anatta. The teachers were psychic and confirmed Sim Pern Chong's memories of his past lives (that is, they could see Sim's past lives as well). That mystical group's website: http://www.plotinus.com/
(Sim Pern Chong's writings: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/search/label/Simpo%2FLongchen)Sim Pern Chong remembered many of his past lives in incredible details as he relived his past lives and not merely recalled vague scenes. He also knew how his current life wife, daughter, etc were related to him in his previous lives, also his daughter exhibits psychic ability even at a young age (John Tan commented the child seems just like the father). He actually was a Nyingma monk who practiced Dzogchen two lifetimes ago. I think he told me before about practicing in the Tibetan highlands overlooking vast expanse. This life, he got acquinted with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche again in 2012 when I told him to join me for that retreat. But it explains his interest in Dzogchen even way back in maybe early 2000s.Being a Tibetan monk in that lifetime, that means he surely had taken refuge, made bodhicitta aspiration etc in his previous life. But that didn't mean he could attain liberation in that lifetime, as most people do not. Nor did he realise anatta or emptiness or attain first bhumi, etc. In fact he remember that he only attained the I AM realization in his Tibetan monk lifetime, which was the first life he was into spirituality (the previous lifetimes before that had events leading up or causing his spiritual search in subsequent life but I shall digress).In the immediate past life, he did not encounter Buddhism but was reborn in western Europe, I believe France. He was fighting in world war 1 in the trenches in a scene which he relived, meaning it was incredibly real and vividly experienced as if he was 'there' again, and in that scene he could recall running across trenches, pausing for a while and thinking of his wife (I think), a sad scene. This caused some trauma for him and explained his anxieties about war in this life, and his past life recall helped solve his traumas. In that lifetime, he also realised I AM only and was involved in mysticism, which explained his current lifetime links with the mystical groups prior to meeting John Tan.Having I AM realization does not ensure some kind of mastery of rebirth or something like that. It is not even the first bhumi. That being said, Sim Pern Chong did recall some subconscious level (which he call 'Alaya') planning or blueprint of rebirth prior to appearing in this life. I actually had that sort of impression before, a brief one, of the spiritual purpose of my incarnation, as if there was some kind of plan or purpose. But I certainly am not a conscious emanation of some high level being, flawless, that was enlightened from birth.This life, he came to know John Tan through an internet forum in 2004 and realised anatta and emptiness.Malcolm said those who encounter Dzogchen teachings have had past life karmic connections with the teachings. Most practitioners that do their due diligence will attain liberation at the bardo. The very "lousy" ones will attain liberation within three lifetimes, so it does not mean you know Dzogchen then that means we are 'advanced' or special. It means we are the most lousy practitioners and didn't get liberated in the bardo or attain rainbow body in the previous life. Maybe we all had such links from previous lifetimes.
(2024 Update by Soh:
Sim shared: For the benefit of whoever is reading this.. i share my personal experiences of relive past live occurrences.In a previous life, I adopt a stray dog as a young boy. Then WW1 broke out and i got conscripted as infantry soldier. Dog at home died due to no care. In this life, dog becomes someone that i have to take care of. This is how karma works. It doesn't really take into account that i was forced to leave in a drafted war.In another ancient life, i am in a group of medical trainee. A captured or slave woman.. i really dunno.. i just watch the scene as a first person... was disected alive. In this life, this woman becomes someone that i have endure hardship with. This is karma... and it again did not take into account that the trainees where forced to perform the dissection.Those that use mouth to direct the orders.. they do not incurr the direct karma of the 'hands-on' task of the subordinates. This is how dark forces manipulate karma for god know how long.. possibly even before there were modern day humans.These are not well articulated in traditional religious text.. because i believe many 'teachers' do not really go deep into the alaya. Most 'teachers' are just parroting 'teachings'. Realising no-self can be experienced in the sense sphere.. the alaya is a different kind of penetration .. it is penetration into the unseen realms of consciousness. Nothing beats the knowledge from direct perception.
... Hmm.. i really dunno. My approach is just a fine balancing act between finding insights and yet keeping the mind open minded. That is how i progressed.On a certain level, the knowledge of these are already there.. it is just blocked from the regular attention. I am at times also frustrated that the full awareness is not available. As a side note, i have been rebuked by a Being conveyed through a very wierd encounter where someone called me and then suddenly says his mentoring spirit guide wants to talk to me. And then the spirit guide took over the other guy and tell me how much i have forgotten and need to recover fuller memories.I think Achan Brahm has direct understanding of this area.. but he is kept by samaya to not reveal any psychic ability. I saw in one of his recent video that he mentioned that he is frustrated by not being able to talk about past lives of his own.) note: Achan Brahm = Ajahn Brahmavamso(Another update, 2024: Sim Pern Chong shared also, “ Sound also may seem to have a finer counterpart..I also hv bleed thru of other live..That is why i post alot about wars.. eg ukraine-russia conflict. End of last year, tracing unknown anxiety, i literally relive a seemingly medival setting where i was a defender n then the 'enemies' rushed forward..but instead of seeing able-bodied combatants. all i saw were old and crippled men.. This is the cause of the anxiety...what shld i do? Strike them ..but my conscience say otherwise. This is the cause of anxiety..dunno what to do next. Next moment, the main enemy force comes from our side...fast and furious. End of vision.What frustrates me..is that thousand year latter, the same tactic n shit is still being used in ukraine-russia conflict. The fact that nothing has changed tells that samsara is hopeless..”)1Sim Pern Chong also foresaw this covid pandemic in a meditation vision more than a decade ago which he posted in sgForums - I still remember that post, a vision where all airplanes and transport stopped (as happened during the lockdown). He also had visions that preluded the 2004 tsunami, and this time he had another vision about the impact of global warming. It is catastrophic and I shall not divulge too much details. Humanity must work/cooperate with nature to survive this ordeal, it is existential. Personally I only knew from my meditation about a month+ before the worldwide outbreak of covid as I wrote in https://www.facebook.com/cyberlogy/posts/10163337237870226?__cft__[0]=AZWvDK4OQVQHBqnRdrbOW-ArbA3OCHFxMrA4MB5YYr8XKD88dw24zMr0_9ALNKeTsDEBQ2axJepO78DQPCRGcKfNAHmwbe1lnv_qZkUI8jZWZVNG0qLJH_Jz-nZAbzJH8Ig&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R . I forewarned a few people.I used to have more dreams of clarity and such visions in practice in the past during army days when I had much more time to meditate.Speaking of which, I shall go meditate now.1Soh Wei Yubro, this is the best post you’ve written yet!1I think it should be common that many of us have practiced for many lifetimes, although not always.I think back in 2012, the moment John Tan saw Kyle Dixon on skype video the first time back then, he psychically intuited that Kyle had a past life connection with Milarepa. In recent years John Tan reminded me about it again. According to wiki Milarepa lived in the 11th century. If this is true then maybe kyle has been practicing dharma for many lifetimes. John Tan also psychically knew a lot of things about me just by looking at me (things in this life or recent events that happened to me that was unspoken, which I could confirm was true and was shocked he knew about them).On the other hand some like Daniel Ingram claimed not to have been very spiritual in recent lifetimes.*Even some other people like j krishnamurti remembered being a student, a monk of Buddha - http://www.buddhanet.net/bvk_study/bvk22a.htmP.s. this is not a superiority contest of who has practiced for more lifetimes, just sharing some interesting stories.*daniel ingram:“As to world-cycles or the like, my past life experiences line up along the following lines, if you believe in such experiences having validity:1) This life human.2) Last life some sort of moderately powerful, clearly somewhat debauched male jealous god/sorcerer of some kind that was stabbed in the back with a dagger by a woman who he had wronged in some way, I think.3) Some sort of mother skunk-like animal that was eaten by a large black dog or wolf.4) Some sort of mother bat that was killed when the rock it was clinging to at the top of the cave fell to the floor.5) Some sort of grim, gigantic, armored skeletal titan-like thing that ran tirelessly through space swinging a gigantic sword and doing battle nearly continuously without sleep for hundreds of thousands of years that was killed by something like a dragon.6) Some gigantic, gelatinous, multi-tentacled, very alien being living in a very dark place for a very long time, probably under water, I think.Other than some sense that the skunk-thing and the bat-thing were virtuous mothers, I have no sense that there was any profound previous dharmic development at least back that far, and, in fact, have the distinct sense that the previous one was a bit of a cad and not very ethical. Take that all for what you will.”DanielThe Buddha, Vipassana, J.Krishnamurti: Teachings - Krishnamurti; Dhamma - BuddhaBUDDHANET.NETThe Buddha, Vipassana, J.Krishnamurti: Teachings - Krishnamurti; Dhamma - Buddha2Evidence for the Afterlife
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For all those skeptics/materialists out there who think siddhis are woo woo, superstitions, etc, the CIA takes it seriously and has very interesting findings and research: https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9qag/how-to-escape-the-confines-of-time-and-space-according-to-the-cia
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Holy shit, I have heard of this before but never thought anyone has got it on film. It’s very rare to be allowed to film this stuff, so naturally I was always skeptical.
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Go read The Holographic Universe for a lot more examples of this kind of stuff.
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By Michael Talbot, I have read it a few times. One of my favourite books actually
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Here's another excerpt by Dakpo Tashi Namgyal, in Clarifying the Natural State:"During these three stages of One Taste, for the mostpart, keep to secluded places. From time to time, participatein group gatherings and you will progress.Even though you think that it makes no differencewhether or not you meditate, it is essential to keep to seclusionand train in the true mindful presence.Even though you have attained the realization of greaterOne Taste, if you fail to have some degree of clairvoyanceand receive signs from the dakinis, you must be tainted bydamaged samayas. Therefore, make, for instance, athousand tsa-tsas or the like, and offer a flower to each ofthem. Make the request, "May my defilement utterlysubside!" Perform the dharani-rituaI for purifyingdefilement, as well as any other suitable virtuous practice.If you get involved in pleasure or displeasure when signsoccur, you are influenced by Mara. Consider that beingbenefited or harmed, assisted or hurt by Mara, and soforth, are all your own mind and that this mind is limitlessand centerless, like space."
Adam HoltSoh Wei Yu do you accept everything that is said about the tathataga in this Sutta?Do you think that the focus within AtR leads to this fully? Or is AtR more of a sravaka system?Maha-sihanada Sutta: The Great Discourse on the Lion's RoarACCESSTOINSIGHT.ORGMaha-sihanada Sutta: The Great Discourse on the Lion's RoarNafis RahmanAdam Holt Although there aren’t any Buddhas/Arhats in this group, John Tan has always aimed for Buddhahood since the very beginning.This is a basic classification:Anatta realization/ATR Stage 5 = Sutta Stream-EntryAnatta Actualization/Freedom from 10 Fetters = ArhatshipActualization of Twofold Emptiness + Omniscience + Freedom from Cognitive Obscurations (in addition to emotional obscurations attained upon Arhatship) = Buddhahood“[To attain Buddhahood], you must free [yourself] from 2 obscurations and 4 mara.” – John Tan, 2020Two obscurations (Tib. སྒྲིབ་པ་གཉིས་, dribpa nyi; Wyl. sgrib pa gnyis) — emotional and cognitive obscurations.● Emotional obscurations are defined according to their essence, cause and function.In essence, they are the opposite of the six paramitas, as described in the Gyü Lama:"Thoughts such as avarice and so on,These are the emotional obscurations."Their cause is grasping at a personal ego, or the “self of the individual”.They function to prevent liberation from samsara.● Cognitive obscurations are also defined according to their essence, cause and function.In essence, they are thoughts that involve the three conceptual ‘spheres’ of subject, object and action. The Gyü Lama says:"Thoughts that involve the three spheres,These are the cognitive obscurations."Their cause is grasping at phenomena as truly existent, or, in other words, the “self of phenomena”.Their function is to prevent complete enlightenment.”On the four maras,“According to Sutrayana1. the mara of the aggregates (Skt. skandhamāra; Tib. ཕུང་པོའི་བདུད་, Wyl. phung po'i bdud), which symbolizes our clinging to forms, perceptions, and mental states as ‘real’;2. the mara of the destructive emotions (Skt. kleśamāra; Tib. ཉོན་མོངས་ཀྱི་བདུད་, Wyl. nyon mongs kyi bdud), which symbolizes our addiction to habitual patterns of negative emotion;3. the mara of the Lord of Death (Skt. mṛtyumāra; Tib. འཆི་བདག་གི་བདུད་, Wyl. 'chi bdag gi bdud), which symbolizes both death itself, which cuts short our precious human birth, and also our fear of change, impermanence, and death; and4. the mara of the sons of the gods (Skt. devaputramāra; Tib. ལྷའི་བུའི་བདུད་, Wyl. lha'i bu'i bdud), which symbolizes our craving for pleasure, convenience, and ‘peace’.Rigpa WikiRIGPAWIKI.ORGRigpa WikiIn addition to what Nafis said which is correct -Regarding powers like recalling past lives and so on, that depends on individuals practice. There are at least 4 persons in AtR that realised anatta who developed past life recollections in their practice. But not all. However, with the development of samadhi, these are quite common. Having these powers however are not an indication of awakening.In Buddhism, everything, including omniscience and siddhis, have their causes and conditions, as Malcolm said before. For example the development of samadhi is a primary cause. So it would be magical thinking if one thinks that having insight alone will magically produce siddhis. As Malcolm said, Buddhism is a "Buddhadharma [and Jaindharma] in this respect is also a species of metaphysical naturalism — in Buddhadharma there is no mystery precisely because "whatever exists or happens is natural" and there does not exist nor could exist "any entities which lie, in principle, beyond the scope of Dharma explanation."In other religions however [sans philosophical Taoism and Confucism], there is a profound mystery, God, through whose agency all things are created." - http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../on-supernatural... Therefore the so called 'magical' powers are in fact not exactly magical but causally arisen.For example Susima Sutta gave examples of great numbers of arahats who had zero siddhis: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN12_70.html Also, even in Mahayana and Vajrayana paths, these powers may not manifest immediately for those who follow direct path towards insight*.In Moonlight of Mahamudra by Dakpo Tashi Namgyal (all texts by Dakpo Tashi including Clarifying the Natural State are highly recommended, by myself, John Tan, even other teachers like Daniel Ingram, and Malcolm who are not Mahamudra practitioners), it states:"Some have offfered the following comment:Only an ignorant person can make the false statementThat he who has realized the path of insight in this lifeWill achieve the great qualities in the next.They commented for the sake of criticizing. Without anydefinite knowledge they said that it is the lie of an ignorantperson to say that he who has realized the path of insight inthis life will attain the twelve-hundred great qualities in thenext. No scriptural passage specifically states that one whohas realized the path of insight will instantly gain all thesublime qualities while not being deceased. However, apassage saying that such a realized one will be reborn as auniversal monarch, dominating the world through the wheelof mystical power, refers to the next but not to this life. Forexample, a female yogin who realized the path of insightwill not physically transform herself into a universalmonarch without departing from this life. Moreover, ifsomeone who has attained this path of insight must literallydemonstrate all the great qualities that represent his firstground of enlightenment, so clearly described in thetreatises, he would be impelled to deny the achievementsof not only the scholars and saints of Tibet and ancientIndia but even of the Bodhisattvas, the disciples of theBuddha. This would contradict the historical events.Apparently these critics have failed to examine the s̄traexpositions.The Dáabh̄ mika-s̄tra states:He who has attained the first ground is likely to bereborn as a universal monarch. If he [in his next life]dwells in the solitude of a forest, having renouncedhis worldly life, he is likely to achieve the twelvehundredgreat qualities, including a hundred diffferentforms of absorption.The term “likely” indicates that there is no absolutecertainty with regard to all these possibilities. To implythat the Dáabh̄mika-s̄tra is the source of what they referredto as “the false statement” is a great shame.Some treatises state that even though one may have fullyrealized the mind as being the aspect of ultimate reality[dharmak̄ya], one might not have acquired the greatqualities of enlightenment in this life, because one has notachieved the release from the threefold bondage, such asthe body. This physical hindrance is compared to theeggshell that entraps the infant eagle. However, such anaspirant will, during the stages of his death, rise in anillusory form of consummate bliss [sambhogak̄ya], havingjust experienced the luminous awareness.Referring to the belated realization of the great qualities,other people have criticized by saying that it is astonishingfor the sunlight to appear tomorrow when the sun hasalready risen today. This is absolutely wrong: Theyignored the treatises of esoteric Buddhism [vajraȳna],which proclaim that mystics will realize the enlightenmentof dharmak̄ ya through the process of dying and ofsambhogak̄ya through the intermediate state [bardo]. Thetreatise entitled the Chaturdev̄parip̣cch̄ proclaims:When one’s physical vehicle of karma disintegrates,Then, through one’s spiritual power,One will achieve such a body as one has aspired to.This body will permeate all static and dynamicphenomena,The way space encompasses everything.Understand that it remains so.The Sampụa affirms:When one’s physical vehicle of karma disintegrates,One will attain a supreme form.Keeping in view this matter [of attaining some of thegreat qualities long after one has realized the spiritualpath], Je Shang states:Misery may not completely disappearImmediately upon realizing the [truth of] nonduality.Who can deny that someone has attained the path ofinsight,Even though he has yet to realize the completequalities?The early morning sun can neither melt frozen waterNor heat the ground and stones at once.Yet who can deny the existence of the sun?Such sayings are consistent with the fact of humanexperience. For instance, the new moon may be incompletein its form, yet it is still the moon. A child may not be fullygrown, yet it is still a human being. However undevelopeda lion’s cub, it is still a lion. In this respect Je Gyarecomments:On "Supernatural Powers" or Siddhis, and Past LivesAWAKENINGTOREALITY.COMOn "Supernatural Powers" or Siddhis, and Past LivesEven among the ArahatsThere are two kinds:Adorned and unadorned ones.215Even among BodhisattvasThere are two kinds:Renowned and unrenowned ones.Even in the mystic traditionThere are two kinds of mystics:The ones practicing secretly and the ones doing itamidst an assembly.With regard to those who have attained realizationThere are two kinds:Those who can describe [knowledge] and those whocan demonstrate [it].Regarding those who have attained the grounds andpathsThere are two kinds:Those who have understood the grounds and pathsAnd those who have achieved them.As for the great meditators who have knowledge ofthe grounds and pathsAnd those who have realized [can demonstrate] them,Some have fully achieved great powers ofpsychophysical transformationWhile others have failed to attain them and othershave achieved mixed abilities.Some of them fulfill the needs of sentient beings,While others fail to fulfill them.This is due to the greater or lesser intensity of theirpractices.I shall now sum up these sayings. The great qualitiesassociated with the grounds and the paths, according to thetreatises of the vehicle of dialectics, are revealed skillfullyout of some higher motivation. The paths [of the fouryogas] are not the same as these. Even the inner signs ofrealization on these paths are diffferent. Just as thereexisted adorned and unadorned Arahats and renowned andunrenowned Bodhisattvas, there are different types ofgreat meditators, some possessing the sublime power oftransformation and others lacking this power, due mainly tothe difference in the quality of their practices. It has beensaid that in order to achieve the sublime power oftransformation and other great qualities, one must strivehard on the path of the transient world and the higher pathof mantraȳna.With this I have completed the elucidation of themeditation on the Mah̄ mudr̄ of ultimate certainty, especiallythe differentiation of each of the four yogas and themethods for crossing the grounds and the paths ofenlightenment.Likewise, Acarya Malcolm told me a decade+ ago,xabir wrote:I was wondering then is Shakyamuni Buddha a "complete" or "inferior" Buddha, and if he attained complete Buddhahood does that mean he too practiced Dzogchen or Mahamudra or something similar, or did he truly walk the three aeons Mahayana way to Buddhahood? Also, I have heard lamas who say those who attain Buddhahood in one life (through Dzogchen, Mahamudra, etc) will not manifest all powers, omniscience, etc within their present life but will do so after death. What is your opinion?Malcolm:The Buddha was an emanation of compassion, so not inferior.As to your second question, yes, such people do not necessarily manifest all qualities of realization in this life, but do so after death.N*As John Tan also said before, "ATR insight is seeing through self nature except the praxis as in way of practice is direct approach via vipassana -- special insight. The seeing through of self as a background is not through analysis.Soh: Oic.. thrangu rinpoche also said thats the diff between mahamudra and madhyamika[11:20 pm, 29/10/2021] John Tan: When that is seen through, one becomes effortlessly non-dual in experience as there is no subject to "dual".[11:22 pm, 29/10/2021] John Tan: Both essencelessness and non-dual dawn in a single leap but that doesn't mean one has thoroughly eradicated proliferation. Hence mmk helps to do that.[11:24 pm, 29/10/2021] John Tan: So it is not about doing away with conceptualities but a special insight that sees through self nature."AtR direct path into anatta and its approach is similar to what the famous Mahamudra teacher Thrangu Rinpoche said about the Vajrayana approach:Thrangu Rinpoche on Nature of MindThrangu Rinpoche:In the Vajrayana there is the direct path to examining mind. In everyday life we are habituated to thinking, "I have a mind and I perceive these things." Ordinarily, we do not directly look at the mind and therefore do not see the mind. This is very strange because we see things and we know that we are seeing visual phenomena. But who is seeing? We can look directly at the mind and find that there is no one seeing; there is no seer, and yet we are seeing phenomena. The same is true for the mental consciousness. We think various thoughts, but where is that thinking taking place? Who or what is thinking? However, when we look directly at the mind, we discover that there is nobody there; there is no thinker and yet thinking is going on. This approach of directly looking in a state of meditation isn't one of reasoning, but of directly looking at the mind to see what is there.Source: Shentong and Rangtong...If we look for a perceiver, we won’t find one. We do think, but if we look into the thinker, trying to find that which thinks, we do not find it. Yet, at the same time, we do see and we do think. The reality is that seeing occurs without a seer and thinking without a thinker. This is just how it is; this is the nature of the mind. The Heart Sutra sums this up by saying that “form is emptiness,” because whatever we look at is, by nature, devoid of true existence. At the same time, emptiness is also form, because the form only occurs as emptiness. Emptiness is no other than form and form is no other than emptiness. This may appear to apply only to other things, but when applied to the mind, the perceiver, one can also see that the perceiver is emptiness and emptiness is also the perceiver. Mind is no other than emptiness; emptiness is no other than mind. This is not just a concept; it is our basic state.The reality of our mind may seem very deep and difficult to understand, but it may also be something very simple and easy because this mind is not somewhere else. It is not somebody else’s mind. It is your own mind. It is right here; therefore, it is something that you can know. When you look into it, you can see that not only is mind empty, it also knows; it is cognizant. All the Buddhist scriptures, their commentaries and the songs of realization by the great siddhas express this as the “indivisible unity of emptiness and cognizance,” or “undivided empty perceiving,” or “unity of empty cognizance.” No matter how it is described, this is how our basic nature really is. It is not our making. It is not the result of practice. It is simply the way it has always been.Source: Crystal Clear ( )...Thrangu Rinpoche on Nature of MindAWAKENINGTOREALITY.COMThrangu Rinpoche on Nature of MindAlso taking this chance to share something John Tan said recently about Buddhahood although not very related to this topic:"If there is alternation between +A and -A, that is arya along the path. If there is no alternation, that is buddhahood. That is just my opinion."I did not share the whole paragraph in full because he told me to avoid doing so, as he does not want to give any impression of sounding superior.
Session Start: Wednesday, 25 April, 2007
(3:24 PM) AEN: i met with longchen just now.. hehe
(4:09 PM) AEN: we discuss alot of things hehe
(4:10 PM) AEN: he said he cant maintain deconstructed state though non dual state is effortless for him
(4:10 PM) AEN: like when talking to me he is non dual but still theres perception
(4:11 PM) AEN: anyway he also thinks buddhism has more depth than others... lol
(4:11 PM) AEN: and tinks dream interpretation got down sides like can become attached to symbolism
(4:13 PM) AEN: can u maintain deconstructed, 'bright' state when talking to ppl?
(4:13 PM) AEN: isit there must be insight into self liberation of perception or something like that?
(4:14 PM) AEN: he also told me his past lives hahaa
(4:14 PM) AEN: his father, etc
(4:14 PM) AEN: alot of other things
(4:22 PM) AEN: the reason why he became a monk was becos in a previous lifetime prior to the tibetan monk...
(4:22 PM) AEN: he was one of those scientist or something..
(4:22 PM) AEN: he was among one of them watching the scientist dissecting a body of a woman... for research i think
(4:23 PM) AEN: then suddenly the woman woke up from her unconsciousness
(4:23 PM) AEN: and was like 'why are you doing this to me??' to her horror but the other scientist didnt hear her, they're like planning what organ to take out, etc
(4:23 PM) AEN: and he felt very very guilty and felt he shld go into spirituality
(4:23 PM) AEN: so next life become tibetan monk
(4:23 PM) AEN: lol
(4:24 PM) AEN: then this life he also like to research and experiment with things
(4:24 PM) AEN: he said was bcos of imprint from past life
(4:45 PM) AEN: he said jonls's energetic expansion is due to release of the self, 'hereness', and all the attachment... but wrongly interpreted as 'arising from the gut'
(4:46 PM) AEN: he also discussed qi gong just now.. and said at different stage of realisation, the qi is different
(5:20 PM) AEN: btw he also said something like we form labels on things we experience extremely fast and we usually din notice it
(5:21 PM) AEN: symbols i tink.. dunnu wat he said.. or perception
(6:53 PM) Thusness: yes i can. :)
(6:53 PM) AEN: oic how
(6:53 PM) Thusness: and transparency. :P
(6:53 PM) Thusness: but don't get attached to states. :P
(6:53 PM) AEN: lol
(6:54 PM) AEN: but how to remain deconstruct even when there are perceptions
(6:54 PM) AEN: like when u talk to me, there has to be symbols
(6:54 PM) Thusness: we are not use to completely without symbols...but we must at least certain period during waking state. :)
(6:54 PM) Thusness: i will tell u later.
(6:54 PM) AEN: oic
(6:56 PM) Thusness: that is a form of realisation.
(6:56 PM) Thusness: i will need to explain to u the essence of non-dual thinking.
(6:57 PM) AEN: icic..
(6:57 PM) Thusness: and what david loy mean but din really grasp the essence of it.
(6:57 PM) AEN: oic..
(6:59 PM) Thusness: my the other book came. :)
(6:59 PM) Thusness: hehe
(6:59 PM) AEN: icic..
(6:59 PM) Thusness: but more of a reference.
(6:59 PM) AEN: oic
(6:59 PM) Thusness: came back early for that book.
(6:59 PM) Thusness: :P
(6:59 PM) AEN: hahaha
(6:59 PM) AEN: icic
(6:59 PM) AEN: u were having meeting just now rite?
(7:00 PM) AEN: what other book btw
(8:05 PM) AEN: longchen told me deconstruction is a state free from perception
(8:05 PM) AEN: i ask what he meant by perception
(8:05 PM) AEN: he say sensations of sound, sight, etc are all perception
(8:05 PM) AEN: then i ask if there is no perception of 5 senses and thoughts, how is that different from unconsciousness
(8:05 PM) AEN: he replied "I dunno how to explain... but there is no unconsciousness... rather there is a bliss and brightness. It is also here that one realises that thought content is the cause of much of the suffering."
(8:31 PM) Thusness: that is good. :)
(8:31 PM) Thusness: i mean what he said is quite good. :)
(8:33 PM) AEN: oic
(8:33 PM) AEN: but i still dun really understand hows tat different from unconscious
(8:33 PM) AEN: lol
(8:33 PM) AEN: can u explain
(8:33 PM) Thusness: cannot...this is not what he meant.
(8:34 PM) Thusness: what he meant is there is no differentiation of sound, sight...etc
(8:34 PM) Thusness: it becomes isness
(8:34 PM) AEN: oic...
(8:35 PM) AEN: orh so no differentiation
(8:35 PM) Thusness: means sensate reality of sound, sight..etc becomes deconstruction from meanings....and become one whole experience of Isness.
(8:35 PM) AEN: ok
(8:35 PM) Thusness: there must be clarity of it.
(8:35 PM) AEN: icic
(8:35 PM) Thusness: u r in temasek poly
(8:35 PM) AEN: yea
(8:36 PM) Thusness: but he must also know in clarity of how consciousness blind us and how subtle it is.
(8:36 PM) AEN: icic..
(8:36 PM) Thusness: and the continuous function of this habitual tendencies to blind us
(8:36 PM) AEN: icic..
(8:37 PM) Thusness: until isness and blinding become clear.
(8:37 PM) AEN: oic
(8:38 PM) AEN: means no karmic propensities left?
(8:38 PM) AEN: lol nice display pic
(8:39 PM) Thusness: u can c it?
(8:39 PM) Thusness: lol
(8:40 PM) AEN: yea lol
(8:43 PM) Thusness: so u know what longchen mean by deconstruction of perception...
(8:43 PM) Thusness: there is no sound, sight...etc
(8:44 PM) Thusness: then it is the clarity of that Isness...
(8:44 PM) AEN: icic..
(8:44 PM) Thusness: and the factors prevent that clarity of Isness as I have mentioned to jonls
(8:44 PM) AEN: oic..
(8:45 PM) Thusness: means the dropping must be thorough as a background, body then later propensities.
(8:45 PM) AEN: icic
(8:45 PM) Thusness: we are so used to perceptions and thinking
(8:45 PM) AEN: oic
(8:45 PM) Thusness: so we must get used to effortless clarity that is Isness itself
(8:46 PM) Thusness: and experience the concreteness as 'forms'
(8:47 PM) AEN: btw longchen said he said meditation can sometimes b a hindrance at latter stages
(8:47 PM) AEN: cos of a sense of wilfulness to meditate
(8:48 PM) AEN: so now his meditation is spontaneous and without will
(8:48 PM) Thusness: yes
(8:48 PM) Thusness: this is very true. :)
(8:48 PM) AEN: he meditate whenever there is opportunity to meditate.. like just now there was an overhead bridge with a nice expansive scenery hehe.. its quite long and he said he often do walking meditation there and can get v deep 'deconstructed' states
(8:48 PM) AEN: though he still sit down and meditate lah
(8:49 PM) AEN: oic
(8:49 PM) Thusness: that is very good. :)
(8:49 PM) Thusness: means is experiencing without background as Oneness...
(8:49 PM) AEN: icic..
(8:49 PM) Thusness: it must be thoroughly clear.
(8:49 PM) AEN: oic
(8:50 PM) Thusness: like what toni packer said.
(8:50 PM) AEN: icic
(8:51 PM) Thusness: meditation is the oneness clarity...when one's non-dual is up to a certain stage.
(8:51 PM) Thusness: always oneness clarity...
(8:51 PM) Thusness: till the background is completely gone...just only the obviousness
(8:52 PM) Thusness: there are differing degree...
(8:52 PM) Thusness: of clarity
(8:52 PM) AEN: oic
(8:52 PM) Thusness: then opening eyes and walking everything moment is meditation.
(8:52 PM) Thusness: it is insight meditation.
(8:52 PM) Thusness: :)
(8:52 PM) AEN: icic
(8:53 PM) Thusness: when the deconstruction is gone, sight, sound, touch....how can there be a body?
(8:53 PM) Thusness: if there is no body, how can there be an inner and outer?
(8:53 PM) AEN: oic...
(8:54 PM) Thusness: so that is why i told u i am always in no body
(8:54 PM) Thusness: not as a stage
(8:54 PM) Thusness: but as a form of realisation
(8:54 PM) AEN: icic
(8:54 PM) Thusness: as an insight
(8:54 PM) AEN: oic
(8:54 PM) AEN: longchen also no body?
(8:55 PM) Thusness: like what ur lzls said...but it is not a form of meditation but insight that has sunk deep into our consciousness
(8:55 PM) Thusness: should be...
(8:55 PM) AEN: icic.. but if 24/7 means effortless already rite
(8:55 PM) Thusness: and has to be up to this
(8:55 PM) AEN: oic
(8:55 PM) Thusness: then the background and body is drop like dogen said.
(8:55 PM) AEN: icic..
(8:56 PM) Thusness: then again like what dogen said he realised that he has come to see clearly that mountains, sky, rivers and birds are really mind. :)
(8:56 PM) Thusness: but this mind and awareness is one.
(8:56 PM) Thusness: :)
(8:56 PM) AEN: oic..
(1:32 AM) Thusness: lets say u have experience anatta, no-self, u become transparent, that is mirror bright wisdom....
(1:33 AM) AEN: icic..
(1:33 AM) AEN: but no self doesnt mean transparent?
(1:33 AM) AEN: btw transparent is deconstructed?
(1:34 AM) AEN: pathie isnt around?
(1:35 AM) Thusness: the experience of non-duality
(1:35 AM) Thusness: now actually when u have fear, the wisdom of great equality will not arise
(1:35 AM) Thusness: no matter how u bluff. :P
(1:35 AM) Thusness: how one bluff.
(1:36 AM) AEN: icic..
(1:36 AM) AEN: wat u mean by how u bluff
(1:36 AM) Thusness: so an experience of being stunt back will also mean that the wisdom of equality will not be there.
(1:36 AM) AEN: oic
(1:36 AM) AEN: but 'stunting' is used in zen and dzogchen right
(1:36 AM) AEN: like shouting, etc
(1:36 AM) AEN: haha
(1:37 AM) Thusness: don't mix zen...
(1:37 AM) Thusness: i dunno :P
(1:37 AM) AEN: btw fear has to do with attachment to body?
(1:37 AM) Thusness: i am toking about that particular experience that is real and can be experienced.
(1:37 AM) AEN: icic
(1:37 AM) AEN: u hold on ah
(1:38 AM) AEN: u heard the shouting phat practise?
(1:38 AM) AEN: this is a dzogchen pith instruction but someone on internet
(1:38 AM) AEN:
Three words strike the essential meaning.
First, keep your mind relaxed,
Not scattered, not concentrated and without divisive thoughts.
Resting in this state of even minded relaxation,
Utter a sudden mind shattering PHAT,
Forceful, vigorous and abrupt.
E MA HO! How marvellous!...
(1:38 AM) AEN:
Nothing at all!... Astonishment and wonderment!...
In this state of wonderment, all penetrating mental freedom,
An all encompassing mental freedom that is inexpressible,
Recognise this awareness, the dimension of absolute reality.
Identifying the primacy of the nature of mind is the first essential point
(1:39 AM) AEN: hmm those text also talk about self liberation
(1:39 AM) AEN:
Like a drawing on water,
There is uninterrupted self arising and self liberation:
Whatever arises is sustenance for naked awareness emptiness,
All fluctuation the creativity of the sovereign dimension of the absolutely real,
Spontaneously self purified and leaving no trace A LA LA!
The mode of arising is the same as before
(1:40 AM) AEN: *somehow on internet
(1:40 AM) Thusness: wow...
(1:40 AM) Thusness: not bad...
(1:40 AM) AEN: icic
(1:41 AM) AEN: but what about the stunting? lol
(1:42 AM) AEN: http://www.jungcircle.com/mist/buddhism.htm
(1:42 AM) Thusness: don't tink too much...that is why i don't want to tell u.
(1:42 AM) Thusness: i got to go now. :)
(1:42 AM) AEN: haha
(1:42 AM) AEN: ok gd nite
(1:43 AM) Thusness: nite.
(1:44 AM) Thusness is now Offline
(1:49 AM) AEN: continued from the last part
(1:49 AM) AEN:
But there is an immense and crucial difference in the mode of liberation,
And without it meditation is a path of delusion.
Possessing it is the state of the dimension of absolute reality beyond meditation:
Confidence in (simultaneous arising and) liberation is the third essential point.
(1:54 AM) AEN: wah so many articles on self liberation
(1:54 AM) AEN:
What is more, if practice lacks the essential method of the liberation (of thoughts) on (their) arising, since all the many discursive thoughts arising from the ongoing subconscious current of mental events become mixed with the karma of cyclic existence, whatever thoughts are generated, be they subtle or gross, it is essential that one watch their (simultaneous) arising and liberation so that not a trace is left. Thus, ... And of all adventitious thoughts without exception,...
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Kyle Dixon shared:
Jacobo Grinberg is the Mexican scientist who found the link between Science and the Paranormal:
He assured that it was necessary to accept reality as a miracle, as a creation that is part of consciousness, sanctify the everyday and observe how everything is filled with love.
Viridiana Herrera | The Sun of Toluca
The neuroscientist Jacobo Grinberg recovered the essence of Mexican mysticism from the sharp and critical view of science, risking his career and his credibility. He started from the need to unmask charlatans through scientific rigor and little by little he found a red thread that, far from disproving these paranormal phenomena, reaffirmed them through possible connections between them and the brain.
The renowned scientist began his curiosity to explore the human brain at the age of 12, after the death of his mother due to a stroke. From that moment and coupled with his extraordinary intellectual capacity that has been compared even to that of Einstein, his journey reached a point of no return.
After studying Psychology at UNAM, Psychophysiology at the Brain Research Institute and obtaining a doctorate focused on the electrophysiological effects of geometric stimuli in the human brain, the distinguished doctor founded INPEC (National Institute for the Study of Consciousness) and He set up a laboratory at the Anáhuac University that would later be taken to the UNAM with the help of CONACYT, where he carried out most of his research and experiments.
With the passage of time, his investigations took on an increasingly inclined course towards events that, until then, science classified as simple quackery or superstitions typical of the need to believe in something that goes beyond the material world.
As an example of the above, in each of his vast investigations, terms such as: telepathy, extraocular vision, shamanism, hologram, witchcraft and self-alusive meditation emerged.
Shamanism and science
Without a doubt, one of the events that most strongly marked the point of analysis of Jacobo Grinberg was the study of shamanism and his experience spending a few years with one of the most recognized "specialists on the subject" in Mexico: the shaman Bárbara Guerrero, better known as Pachita. A woman who was born in Chihuahua and who participated in the Mexican revolution, moving from one place to another and performing various jobs; but, it was not until her arrival in the State of Mexico that Pachita acquired great fame due to her unorthodox healing methods.
During this time, the doctor had already unmasked some supposed shamans who, through various farces, defrauded many people, however, upon arriving unannounced at Pachita's house, he himself told his friends that he was received by a deep voice that from the back of the house exclaimed: "Jacobo, hurry up. Why are you coming so late? I was waiting for you." From that moment on, Jacobo Grinberg witnessed countless surgeries and medical procedures that seemed physically impossible.
Pachita asked her patients for bandages, a sheet and alcohol; She performed the surgeries in her house and used only a hunting knife with which she opened the body of the patients to later extract damaged organs with her hands. She materialized a new organ and deposited it to replace the previous one. Pachita called this “Contributions”.
Later she passed his hand over the wound and it was closed again, without any mark. In other cases, Pachita had the ability to perform transfusions with blood that flowed from her mouth.
In his book Shamans of Mexico, Jacobo recounts his experiences with Pachita and the way in which she lost consciousness of the present while performing surgeries or cures. In fact, when he read her the book she had written about her work, she was completely amazed as she didn't know what was really going on.
She justified this by saying that the spirit of Cuauhtémoc possessed her, she even called him Brother and attributed the authorship of each healing feat to him. For Grinberg, this had a much deeper explanation: By connecting consciousness to the informational matrix, high energetic vibrations allow significant modifications of reality to emerge. For this reason, Pachita even changed her personality, since the point of connection with the hologram acquired a purer character in which the conventions of acting are stripped of social influence, just as with meditation.
Some other modifications in reality consisted of altering the weather at will, even eradicating a drought in a town and making it rain until the surrounding rivers overflowed. All under the gaze of Dr. Grinberg.
Despite the complexity of this type of work, Pachita never charged for her cures and remained highly selective about the people who could study and analyze her work. Numerous writers, politicians and scientists came to witness the works of the shaman, or request her help. Even the renowned author of Psychomagic, Alejandro Jodorowsky was her patient.
From this coexistence with the shaman, Dr. Grinberg developed his Syntergic theory, which could explain the prodigies of Pachita and other shamans with scientific foundations.
The Syntergic theory: Do we live in a hologram?
The Syntergic theory reaffirms and challenges quantum physics at the same time because, based on a reinterpretation of what is known in physics as Lattice , Dr. Grinberg raises the possibility that, through consciousness, the human brain can being able to have control over the universe in which we live.
The Lattice, in the field of physics, is the structure in which space-time is found. For Jacobo, this proposal acquires a new meaning and it is then that he postulates the term Syntergy, which is nothing more than the neologism between synthesis and energy.
His theory proposes that, from the process that the human brain performs to decode perceptual reality, it is possible to establish links with the Lattice , and with it, make changes in space-time.
He postulates that we live in an informational matrix which he calls "the hologram", in which there is the possibility of interacting with perceptual reality not only as a spectator, but as an active participant in the construction of said reality.
He explained that, if a person has a highly syntergic neuronal field, that is, a brain in which the coherence links are greater, he or she will have the ability to modify the hologram at will, thus achieving feats that defy the laws up to now known from physics, just as Pachita did in her shamanic surgeries.
This opens the doors to the investigation of other phenomena, such as telepathy. Grinberg carried out various experiments in which, through meditation, he managed to demonstrate synchrony between two brains exposed to different stimuli that finally produced similar results.
This theory has crosses with some of the fundamental approaches of postulates such as the law of attraction, the influence of thought on reality, linguistic relativity, among others.
The most enigmatic point of this theory indicates that, if through consciousness we are able to influence the informational matrix, and that, if everything is connected from the energetic interaction of both atoms and thoughts, then there is the possibility of that we inhabit a plane that is not the total reality, that is, in a Matrix into which we have been thrown with a brain capable of understanding the operation of its physical laws, but not its origin.
With this, the idea of an awakening also arises, of taking consciousness further and dominating the hologram. Under this premise, by fully understanding the operation of the matrix, we would simply disappear and reach a state of purity within the true reality.
This could not be verified and, like his studies on extraocular vision in children or telepathy, his projects remained unfinished after he disappeared at the most momentous point of his prodigious career.
A mysterious disappearance?
On December 8, 1994, Dr. Jacobo Grinberg disappeared without leaving any clues that could help locate him. His absence has given rise to innumerable speculations; from a crime of passion or an alien abduction, to situations linked to the CIA, NASA or anyone who could be extremely interested in what he was developing and discovering in his laboratory.
The first inquiries focused on finding out from the people closest to him the reasons why he stopped attending his laboratory without prior notice. Who was his wife at the time argued that he had gone out on one of his many impromptu trips. Thus, during the first period of his absence, there was no major stir. Until his wife also disappeared. Therefore, it has been speculated that she, who also practiced shamanism, was a participant in her disappearance.
This situation has covered more headlines than Dr.'s own research, leaving aside his extensive bibliographic production, to make way for conspiracy theories and morbidity. In the voice of his half brother, the renowned actor Ari Telch, the case of his disappearance is closed by the authorities.
https://www.elsoldetoluca.com.mx/doble-via/jacobo-grinberg-el-cientifico-mexicano-que-hallo-el-vinculo-entre-la-ciencia-y-lo-paranormal-7412119.html (translated from Spanish)
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Buddha's recollection of past lives:
excerpt from https://suttacentral.net/mn36/en/bodhi?lang=en&reference=none&highlight=false
“With the stilling of applied and sustained thought, I entered upon and abided in the second jhāna…With the fading away as well of rapture…I entered upon and abided in the third jhāna…With the abandoning of pleasure and pain…I entered upon and abided in the fourth jhāna…But such pleasant feeling that arose in me did not invade my mind and remain.
“When my concentrated mind was thus purified, bright, unblemished, rid of imperfection, malleable, wieldy, steady, and attained to imperturbability, I directed it to knowledge of the recollection of past lives. I recollected my manifold past lives, that is, one birth, two births…as Sutta 4, §27…Thus with their aspects and particulars I recollected my manifold past lives.
“This was the first true knowledge attained by me in the first watch of the night. Ignorance was banished and true knowledge arose, darkness was banished and light arose, as happens in one who abides diligent, ardent, and resolute. But such pleasant feeling that arose in me did not invade my mind and remain.
“When my concentrated mind was thus purified, bright, unblemished, rid of imperfection, malleable, wieldy, steady, and attained to imperturbability, I directed it to knowledge of the passing away and reappearance of beings…as Sutta 4, §29… Thus with the divine eye, which is purified and surpasses the human, I saw beings passing away and reappearing, inferior and superior, fair and ugly, fortunate and unfortunate, and I understood how beings pass on according to their actions.
“This was the second true knowledge attained by me in the middle watch of the night. Ignorance was banished and true knowledge arose, darkness was banished and light arose, as happens in one who abides diligent, ardent, and resolute. But such pleasant feeling that arose in me did not invade my mind and remain.
“When my concentrated mind was thus purified, bright, unblemished, rid of imperfection, malleable, wieldy, steady, and attained to imperturbability, I directed it to knowledge of the destruction of the taints. I directly knew as it actually is: ‘This is suffering’;…‘This is the origin of suffering’;…‘This is the cessation of suffering’;…‘This is the way leading to the cessation of suffering’;…‘These are the taints’;…‘This is the origin of the taints’;…‘This is the cessation of the taints’;…‘This is the way leading to the cessation of the taints.’
“When I knew and saw thus, my mind was liberated from the taint of sensual desire, from the taint of being, and from the taint of ignorance. When it was liberated there came the knowledge: ‘It is liberated.’ I directly knew: ‘Birth is destroyed, the holy life has been lived, what had to be done has been done, there is no more coming to any state of being.’
“This was the third true knowledge attained by me in the last watch of the night. Ignorance was banished and true knowledge arose, darkness was banished and light arose, as happens in one who abides diligent, ardent, and resolute. But such pleasant feeling that arose in me did not invade my mind and remain.