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    These are my reflections since the realization of no-self.
    The insight has been stable, but I've been experiencing a lot of energy imbalances since then. (I was only sleeping about 3 hours a night contemplating on emptiness before annata, and a 2-3 days afterwards before settling back to 6-7h, then back to 4h, etc. I've been getting up in the middle of the night, and would have to just walk and walk to let go of energy.)
    What actually brought me back to AtR approx 2 months ago was the article on pain that I stumbled on, and I initially wrote to Soh about that. I think it has very much to do with severe energy imbalances, and I have been experiencing zen sickness for several years. I will have to write about that later... but it is simply with tremendous serendipity that everything unfolded as it did.
    > 1. If everything is me, then the sense of "me" must also dissapear at that moment of experience. Otherwise one must mature the experience into no-mind and then anatta as an insight.
    2. If later it is realized that there is no me/self/Self as an insight and experience (anatta), then one must refine the view and question how does the sense of me/self/Self arise in the first place?
    On the two stanzas above, I do not know exactly what Thusness intended, this is just my experience and reaction.
    Upon first reading, I actually interpreted them as 2 separate stanzas, but in retrospect they function perfectly together, like two pincers of a claw.
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    The first stanza immediately started to trigger something... "if everything is me" is sounding off, like "I-am-everything", almost Advaitic sounding...Brahman-is-all. I will have to address this point in another post.
    "one must refine the view and question, how does the sense of "me" arise in the first place?". At this moment, I feel rising tension and dissonance in me. Now, the two stanzas together form a koan, not mere questions, but inquiry.
    Insight into annata was sudden, not due to reasoning, instigated by Thusness’ praxis, not due to any kind of deliberate process, analytical, dialectical or otherwise. This is all just my unpacking and reflection from that event.
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    Recently, I had been meditating on emptiness and DO. The thrust of the deconstruction was simple: unburdened by substance-view, I no longer interpreted forms as arising to some background awareness, rather all forms are empty, and they co-arise dependently.
    I had also been contemplating about the meaning of non-arising - and why something like even impermanence is not real (for what does not exist cannot come into being, nor be extinguished, it can neither be said to arise, nor pass away, but it can be conventionally understood to arise and pass away)
    >>> The stanza, "how did it arise?" drove the concepts of emptiness and DO back onto the experience of a "me", and at the moment of insight, I realized right then and there that I had unconsciously been identified with certain thoughts and sensations - that were also empty of an inherent self, and were also dependently originating.
    That is, these thoughts never arose except as dependently arising based on conditions. There was never an "I" that ever arose! It was always already so!
    It does not matter what arises - thoughts and sensations can no more produce a self “on its own side” anymore than visual phenomena of shifting green shapes can produce an inherently existing tree.
    I cannot begin to tell you how freeing it was.
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    I realize now that part of the growing dissonance was between my actual daily experience and substance-view, which was the conceptual framework from which I interpreted that experience.
    I find that emptiness and DO is actually a very accurate description of what is always being experienced. It resonates very strongly with me now.
    Those samsaric thoughts and feelings that arose - I no longer had to get rid of them! They were just dependently arising - at no point is there a 'self' you need to eradicate or perfect. It simply doesn't exist.
    That is the seal of annata - it is always, already so.
    The core of what had felt like an energetic knot suddenly released - like a massive thorn had been removed. The energetic body is still sore - the scar tissue that surrounded the thorn remains, and is healing, but the thorn has been removed.
    This is part one.
    I will have to write more on the experience of no-self - experiencing reality without the subject-object split, and all the parts that I got hung up on earlier.

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  • Soh Wei Yu
    Admin
    JT: Just relax and do nothing for a week unless he knows how to balance his energy imbalance.
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  • Soh Wei Yu
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    JT:
    Anatta is like activating a new sense -- a new direct non-conceptual perception. Being direct and non-conceptual also opening up one's flow of energies, being in touch with aliveness so natural openness allowing free flowing is important.
    Feel sensation of walking, flowing pulsating of our palms and relax, don't think first.
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  • Soh Wei Yu
    Admin
    I will post your writing to atr blog if thats alright
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    William Kong
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    Yes, feel free to use my name.
    In the past, I had tried to talk about this to some people, and it did not always have positive reactions ... but Angelo Grr's interview was just so ...open and candid, it was inspiring.
    I think culturally, in last 10 years, we've shifted so dramatically that talking about consciousness is not so much a faux pas. AtR is the first time I've written about this on any forum.
    I cannot deny that other people's writings have helped me immensely ... the journey had been so...difficult and painful, and if even one person can benefit then it's worth it.
    Reality is ever so splendid, beautiful and radiant.
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  • Soh Wei Yu
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    Yes having the right community to talk with is great. There will always be some that resonate and some that do not. I like Angelo’s interview and pointers too.
    The first person Buddha talked with just shook his head in disbelief. But then he surveyed and saw some people he knew would be open and receptive. Eventually thousands of those he met and taught awakened. He also told his awakened disciples to spread the message. “Go forth for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction. Teach the Dharma which is beautiful in the beginning, beautiful in the middle and beautiful at the end. Proclaim both the letter and the spirit of the holy life completely fulfilled and perfectly pure.[ N1 ]”
    Like Angelo, I think awakening is heading in a direction where it is becoming mainstream.
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    Hi Soh, Please accept my sincerest gratitude to your effort and commitment to making AtR freely available. Please extend my heartfelt thanks to Thusness as well. He says he does not consider himself a teacher, but I think he’s been a terrific teacher to many. His intuition and insight into my situation was incredibly harp. I did not expect how things would unfold so quickly after being stuck for years.
    🙏
    *incredibly sharp

 

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  • Din Robinson
    I'm really surprised that awakening happened to a medical doctor, an anaesthesiologist, but it clearly has since he's very clear about it. Thanks for sharing Soh I really enjoyed it. 🤓
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    Soh Wei Yu
    He has a book called Awake which you can find it here https://books.simplyalwaysawake.com/
    I enjoyed reading that too

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  • Soh Wei Yu
    Many of his writings are for guiding to the initial awakening - aka the I AM realization, but he also guides people to further insights like anatta and total exertion
    Angelo Gerangelo's Writings on Anatta and Total Exertion
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  • Soh Wei Yu
    Din Robinson Dr Daniel Ingram, MD MSPH was also an emergency medicine physician. He realised anatta as well: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../rigpa-and...
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    Winston Tg
    Wow. I follow ZdoggMD but this is the probably the last channel I would have expected Angelo Grr to appear on 😮
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    Angelo GrrAdmin
    Winston Tg yeah when I contacted him about the subject he was like “Dude! This is the only thing I care about!” I was like sweet , you’re gonna go down the rabbit hole in a hurry 😂. But he’s been extremely generous in getting the book out and promoting it etc. Very cool guy and riotously funny.
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      William Lim
      Great interview - I've always enjoyed people who talks about non-duality from the perspective and language of duality.
      And I believe the ability to do that is the hallmark of a good spiritual teacher.
      Sure, the moon is not the finger. But you need a god-damn skillful dualistic finger to point to the non-dual moon.
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      Angelo Grr
      William Lim you know when he invited me to do this series I really had to reflect on how our approach would be. We knew we would be talking to a wide audience, mostly unaware of this subject matter, not expecting what we were going to talk on and also many scientific minded people that can be skeptical of anything “spiritual.” That of course doesn’t meant they can’t wake up, so I really tried to speak simply and in a context anyone inclined to investigate their deeper truths could relate to. I’ve been very surprised by how many people in his audience have responded very powerfully, many having had pretty remarkable shifts in the past that they had no context for. Further I was surprised how many Christians were very open to this process. Pretty amazing reception honestly. It heartens me that humanity seems to be waking up more and more in authentic and real ways.
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    • William Lim
      Angelo Grr, important work you're doing there.
      The demystization, rationalization and systemization of spiritual development is unfolding... and much needed at this juncture of time.
      You mentioned ppl like Daniel, who is trying to bring medical and research rigour into the space.
      Do keep up the great work and continue to make spiritual development accessible, and hopefully mainstream.
      🙏🙏🙏 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
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    • Angelo Grr
      William Lim exactly! I truly think in near future it will be mainstream knowledge and accessibility to profound transformation.
      ☺️🙏🏼
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