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I haven't read the website but I trust that Nafis will be able to make a reasonably good judgement (although based on the limited info available online).

But in general, just learn what you can but don't get restricted to it if you find it does not present the ultimate view. But it does not mean you should abandon any teachers or teachings that did not present the ultimate view, because if it helps, it helps. Like... I always recommend people, friends, families to start with The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, the New York Times Bestseller that sold many millions of copies worldwide and he was catapulted to further fame through Oprah Winfrey etc.

Why do I recommend TPON by Eckhart?

1) It is simple to read, can be very inspirational in the way he expresses, life transformative. AtR Guide may not be suitable for everyone, may be too lengthy/scary/indepth/etc or just not as inspiring, may be suitable for a more niche group of people. That said, of course, I do highly recommend AtR Guide (either the abridged one or the longer one -- whichever you can read) to anyone who is willing to go through them, I believe it will be of much benefit.

2) Its insights is restricted to I AM only and not the further insights like nondual or anatta or emptiness, but it is enough for many to work on for a while.

3) It has enough emphasis on meditative practices and shamatha training (mixed with Presence/I AM), because Eckhart Tolle has enough experience with deep meditative samadhi unlike many Neo-Advaitins which neglected this aspect. His experience is quite thorough, up to I AM and the depth and intensity of it, and even nondual as an experience but not as an insight. As John Tan say, developing these mental factors (like the seven factors of enlightenment - tranquility, samadhi, bliss, clarity, so on and so forth) are important, and those who don't emphasize this can be dangerous or misleading especially if they lead people towards altered states of consciousness without proper grounding (like in deep calmness, some shamatha training, etc. And John Tan has said that some shamatha is also important). Eckhart Tolle is considered quite safe and leads people in the right direction as a beginner (maybe not in terms of going towards the ultimate view and realization of emptiness, but towards the initial realization of Pure Presence and also training and developing meditative experience).

John Tan agrees with me on all these points. That being said, people should be instilled with right view at the start even if it is intellectual IMO, although it is not good to be too intellectual. You can have an intellectual view like I did about the different phases of insights, about anatta and emptiness and dependent origination even before I had the I AM realization. You don't need to go too indepth into them or be overly intellectual (which can form another kind of hindrance and distraction from pure innocent experiential/contemplative inquiry) but at least know the right view so that you will not be misled or think you have reached finality after you arrive at I AM, etc, and you know where to go next. But at the same time you can practice self enquiry, etc, to realize the I AM first. (I understood anatta intellectually since 2006/2007 but practiced self enquiry from 2008 to 2010 and realized I AM in February 2010, then Anatta in Oct 2010 and Emptiness in following years) Intellectual right view of anatta and emptiness shortened the time for me to progress from I AM to anatta into a span of maybe 8 months, where most people I know get stucked at I AM for several years or decades and most likely lifetimes (i.e. never go beyond I AM phase in this life) without the right pointers. The intellectual/conceptual obsession with knowledge did hinder or slow down the time it took me to realize I AM somewhat, although I still did it in 2 years of self enquiry, and maybe 6-7 years after first starting to learn about dharma at the age of 13. Anyway there should be a balance between right view (even if it is conceptual at first) and experiential and meditative inquiry and practices.


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John Tan on Eckhart: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/10/the-power-of-now-by-eckhart-tolle.html

The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle: the Audiobook on Youtube

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Dzogchen teacher Acarya Malcolm Smith wrote,

People have fetishized anatman to an impractical degree.

Innate self-grasping is the cause of samsara, suffering, and every thing else, but the solution to this is not an intellectual rejection of conventional truth. It’s is to reflect deeply on dependent origination and penetrate it’s true meaning. For that, the Rice Seedling Sutra is exemplary: https://read.84000.co/translation/toh21 ... -section-1

When you read and understand this, you will understand why the basis is personal, why it is not a self, and why dependent origination is natural perfection.

https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?p=650908&sid=62f006ffa4c9281a68969d66cb5ba2fd#p650908


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The Sutra:


INTRODUCTION

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The Rice Seedling (Śālistamba1) is one of the most important sūtras on the topic of dependent arising. In this sūtra Śāriputra approaches Maitreya and requests him to explain the meaning of the following statement of the Buddha, which he had made earlier that same day while gazing at a rice seedling: “Whoever sees dependent arising sees the Dharma. Whoever sees the Dharma sees the Buddha.” What follows is an explanation of dependent arising through the twelve links, the eightfold path of the noble ones, and their relation to outer and inner causes and conditions. Crucially, it is by understanding the very nature of dependent arising that one can be free from it and attain enlightenment.


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We are not aware of any extant complete Sanskrit text of The Rice Seedling. However, it is quoted extensively in surviving Sanskrit treatises like Yaśomitra’s Abhi­dharma­kośa­vyākhyā, Candrakīrti’s Prasannapadā, Prajñākaramati’s Bodhi­caryāvatāra­pañjikā, Śāntideva’s Śikṣasamuccaya, and also a critical non-Buddhist treatise, the Bhāmatī by Vācaspatimiśra. Mainly based on these, several Sanskrit reconstructions have been carried out which are claimed to include about ninety percent of The Rice Seedling. The first reconstructed edition was prepared by Louis de La Vallée Poussin (1913). Without having access to this, N. Ayaswami Sastri (1950) produced another reconstruction. Another one was produced by V.V. Gokhale (1961). Finally, a thorough comparative study and new reconstructed edition was carried out by N. Ross Reat (1993), taking into account Sanskrit, Tibetan, Pāli, and Chinese sources; Reat also provides a complete English translation. This work also illustrates the many parallel and similar passages in Pāli suttas.


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There are three Indian commentaries on The Rice Seedling which have been preserved in Tibetan and Mongolian translations, namely the Śālistamba[ka]ṭīkā by Kamalaśīla, as well as the Śālistamba[ka]mahāyana­sūtra­ṭīkā and Śāli­stambaka­kārikā, both attributed to Nāgarjuna. These works have been thoroughly studied and translated by Jeffrey D. Schoening (1995). He also gives a chronological account of both partial and complete Western language translations of The Rice Seedling, the first being a translation from the Chinese into Italian in 1908; and he mentions a Japanese translation from the Chinese of Taishō 709.


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Most of the information given in this introduction can be found in more detail in the sources mentioned above, especially Reat and Schoening. Being of such significance, The Rice Seedling has also been discussed in the context of multiple other studies, the details of which would go beyond the scope of this brief introduction.


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There are four Chinese translations (Taishō 709–712), the first and earliest having been carried out during the Eastern Jin Dynasty (317–420 ᴄᴇ). A very similar sūtra (Taishō 708) had already been translated by Chih-ch’ien in the Wu Dynasty (222–280 ᴄᴇ). As Martin (2014, p. 283) has noted, the Testament of Wa / Ba (dba’ / sba bzhed) mentions that a Chinese version was translated into Tibetan before the completion of the first monastery of Tibet, Samye, toward the end of the eighth century. The Tibetan translation is also mentioned in the Denkarma (ldan dkar ma) catalogue compiled by Kawa Paltseg et al., probably in the year 812. The colophons in two of the oldest surviving Tibetan manuscripts identified so far (the Dunhuang manuscripts PT 551 and PT 552), credit Yeshé Dé, a famous Tibetan translator of the eighth to ninth centuries, as the translator. This information is absent in the later editions.


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There are considerable differences and variant readings across the many versions, editions, and translations of this sūtra that are not recorded in detail here. Variant readings as well as references to the commentaries are only given for passages that were crucial for essential decisions made with regard to the translation. Thus this translation does not aim to improve on the studies mentioned above. Readers who are interested in academic and philological research on the available textual sources may refer to them. What is intended here is a translation that is mainly based on the Tibetan version in the Degé Kangyur collection and the Pedurma (dpe bsdur ma) comparative edition of the Kangyur, with reference to available Sanskrit materials, particularly Reat’s edition.


The Translation

The Noble Mahāyāna Sūtra

The Rice Seedling

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The Rice Seedling

[F.116.a]


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Homage to all buddhas and bodhisattvas!


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Thus have I heard at one time. The Bhagavān was residing on Vulture Peak mountain in Rājagṛha with a large saṅgha of 1,250 bhikṣus and with a great many bodhisattva mahāsattvas. At that time, venerable Śāriputra went to the place frequented by the bodhisattva mahāsattva Maitreya and, after they had exchanged courtesies upon meeting each other, they both sat down on a flat rock.


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Venerable Śāriputra then said to the bodhisattva mahāsattva Maitreya, “Maitreya, here today, the Bhagavān, gazing at a rice seedling, spoke this aphorism2 to the bhikṣus: ‘Bhikṣus, whoever sees dependent arising sees the Dharma.3 Whoever sees the Dharma sees the Buddha.’ Having said this, the Bhagavān fell silent. Maitreya, what is the meaning of this aphorism spoken by the Sugata?4 What is dependent arising? What is the Dharma? What is the Buddha? How does one see the Dharma by seeing dependent arising? How does one see the Buddha by seeing the Dharma?”


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The bodhisattva mahāsattva Maitreya then replied to the venerable Śāradvatīputra,5 “Venerable Śāriputra, you want to know what dependent arising is in the statement made by the Bhagavān, the Lord of Dharma, the Omniscient One: ‘Bhikṣus, whoever sees dependent arising sees the Dharma. Whoever sees the Dharma sees the Buddha’? Well, the phrase dependent arising means that something arises because something else already exists; something is born because something else was already born.6 That is to say, ignorance causes formations. Formations [F.116.b] cause consciousness. Consciousness causes name and form. Name and form cause the six sense sources. The six sense sources cause contact. Contact causes sensation. Sensation causes craving. Craving causes appropriation. Appropriation causes becoming. Becoming causes birth. And birth causes aging and death, sorrow, lamentation, suffering, despair, and anxiety. Thus does this entire great heap of suffering arise.


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“When ignorance ceases, formations cease. When formations cease, consciousness ceases. When consciousness ceases, name and form cease. When name and form cease, the six sense sources cease. When the six sense sources cease, contact ceases. When contact ceases, sensation ceases. When sensation ceases, craving ceases. When craving ceases, appropriation ceases. When appropriation ceases, becoming ceases. When becoming ceases, birth ceases. And when birth ceases, aging and death, sorrow, lamentation, suffering, despair, and anxiety cease. Thus does this entire great heap of suffering cease. This is what the Bhagavān has called dependent arising.


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“What is the Dharma? The Dharma is the eightfold path of the noble ones: right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration. This eightfold path of the noble ones, combined with the attainment of its results and nirvāṇa, is what the Bhagavān has called the Dharma.


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“Who is the Bhagavān Buddha? A buddha, so-called because of comprehending all dharmas,7 is endowed with the wisdom eye of the noble ones and the body [F.117.a] of Dharma,8 and thus perceives the dharmas9 of those still in training and those beyond training.


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“How does one see dependent arising? On this point the Bhagavān said, ‘One who sees dependent arising as constant,10 without life force, devoid of life force, true, unmistaken, unborn, not arisen, uncreated, uncompounded, unobstructed, imperceptible, tranquil,11 fearless, incontrovertible, inexhaustible, and by nature never stilled,12 and who likewise sees the Dharma to also be constant, without life force, devoid of life force, true, unmistaken, unborn, not arisen, uncreated, uncompounded, unobstructed, imperceptible, tranquil, fearless, incontrovertible, inexhaustible, and never stilled, clearly understands the Dharma of the nobles ones, and by thus acquiring such right knowledge, sees the Buddha, the body of the unsurpassable Dharma.’13


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“Why is it called dependent arising? It is called dependent arising because it is causal and conditional, not non-causal and non-conditional. In this connection, the Bhagavān concisely taught the characteristics of dependent arising as follows: ‘Results come from their own specific conditions. Whether tathāgatas appear or not, this true nature of things14 will remain. It is the true nature; the constancy of Dharma;15 the immutability of Dharma,16 consistent with dependent arising, suchness, unmistaken suchness, unchanging suchness, actuality, and truth; unmistaken; and unerring.’


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“Moreover, dependent arising emerges from two principles. [F.117.b] From what two principles? From a causal relation and a conditional relation. Furthermore, it should be understood as twofold: outer and inner.


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“What is the causal relation in outer dependent arising? It is as follows. From a seed comes a sprout, from a sprout a leaf, from a leaf a stem, from a stem a pedicel, from a pedicel a pistil, from a pistil a flower, and from a flower comes a fruit. If there is no seed, the sprout cannot arise and so on, until finally, without the flower, the fruit cannot arise. If there is a seed, the sprout will form and so on, until finally, if there is a flower, then the fruit will form.


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“In that process, the seed does not think, ‘I form the sprout.’ Nor does the sprout think, ‘I am formed by the seed.’ Likewise, the flower does not think, ‘I form the fruit.’ Nor does the fruit think, ‘I am formed by the flower.’ Yet, if there is a seed, the sprout will take form and arise, and so on, until finally, likewise, if there is a flower, the fruit will take form and arise. Thus is the causal relation in outer dependent arising to be seen.


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“So how is the conditional relation in outer dependent arising to be seen? As due to the coming together of six elements. As due to the coming together of what six elements? Namely, conditional dependent arising is to be seen as due to the coming together of the elements of earth, water, fire, wind, space, and season.17 The earth element functions as the support for the seed. The water element moistens the seed. The fire element ripens the seed. The wind element opens the seed. The space element performs the function of not obstructing the seed. And season transforms the seed. Without these conditions a sprout cannot form from a seed. [F.118.a] But when the outer element of earth is not deficient, and likewise water, fire, wind, space, and season are not deficient, then from the coming together of all these factors, a sprout forms as the seed is ceasing.


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“The earth element does not think, ‘I support the seed.’ Nor does the water element think, ‘I moisten the seed.’ Nor does the fire element think, ‘I ripen the seed.’ Nor does the wind element think, ‘I open the seed.’ Nor does the space element think, ‘I make sure the seed is not obstructed.’ Nor does the season think, ‘I transform the seed.’ Nor does the seed think, ‘I form the sprout.’ Nor does the sprout think, ‘I am formed by these conditions.’ Yet when these conditions are present and the seed is ceasing, the sprout forms. Likewise, when finally there is a flower, the fruit forms.


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“The sprout is not created by itself, not created by another, not created by both, not created by Īśvara, not transformed by time,18 not derived from prakṛti, and not born without any cause. Nevertheless, through the coming together of the elements of earth, water, fire, wind, space, and season, the sprout forms as the seed is ceasing.


“Thus is the conditional relation in outer dependent arising to be seen.


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“Here, outer dependent arising is to be seen in terms of five aspects. What five aspects? As not permanent, as not discontinuous, as not involving transmigration, as the production of a large result from a small cause, and as a continuity of similar type.


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“How is it not permanent? It is not permanent because the sprout and the seed are different. The sprout is not the seed. [F.118.b] The sprout does not come from the seed after it has ceased, nor does it come from the seed while it has not yet ceased.19 Rather, the sprout is born precisely as the seed ceases.


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“How is it not discontinuous? It is not discontinuous because a sprout is not born from a seed that has already ceased, nor from a seed that has not yet ceased. Rather, like the beam of a scale tilting from up to down, a sprout is born precisely when the seed has ceased.


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“How does it not involve transmigration? It does not involve transmigration because the sprout and the seed are different; that which is the sprout is not the seed.


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“How does it entail the producing of a large result from a small cause? A large fruit is produced from the planting of a small seed. Therefore, it entails the producing of a large result from a small cause.


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“Lastly, fruit is produced precisely according to the type of seed planted. Therefore, it involves a continuity of similar type.


“Thus is outer dependent arising to be seen in terms of five aspects.


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“Similarly, inner dependent arising also arises from two principles. From what two principles? From a causal relation and a conditional relation.


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“What, then, is the causal relation in inner dependent arising? It starts with ignorance causing formations and so on, until finally, birth causes aging and death. If ignorance does not arise, then formations do not manifest and so on, until finally, if birth does not arise, then aging and death do not manifest. Likewise, from the existence of ignorance, formations occur and so on, until finally, from the existence of birth, comes aging and death.


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“Ignorance does not think, ‘I produce formations.’ Nor do formations think, ‘We are produced by ignorance,’ and so on. Finally, birth does not think, ‘I produce aging and death.’ Nor do aging and death think, ‘I am produced by birth.’ Nevertheless, [F.119.a] formations take form and arise through the existence of ignorance and so on, until finally aging and death take form and arise through the existence of birth.


“Thus is the causal relation in inner dependent arising to be seen.


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“How is the conditional relation in inner dependent arising to be seen? As due to the coming together of six elements. As due to the coming together of what six elements? Namely, the conditional relation in inner dependent arising is to be seen as due to the coming together of the elements of earth, water, fire, wind, space, and consciousness.


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“Here, what is the earth element in inner dependent arising? That which assembles to form the solidity of the body is called the earth element. That which provides cohesion in the body is called the water element. That which digests whatever the body eats, drinks, chews, and tastes is called the fire element. That which performs the function of the body’s inhalation and exhalation is called the wind element. That which allows the body to have hollow spaces inside is called the space element. That which produces the sprouts20 of name and form like reeds in a sheaf‍—the combination of the five collections of consciousness, together with the defiled mental consciousness‍—is called the consciousness element. Without these conditions the body cannot be born. But when the inner earth element is not deficient, and likewise the elements of water, fire, wind, space, and consciousness are not deficient, then from the coming together of all these factors, the body forms.


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“In this process, the earth element does not think, ‘I provide the solidity of the body by assembling.’ Nor does the water element think, ‘I provide cohesion for the body.’ Nor does the fire element think, ‘I digest whatever the body eats, drinks, chews, or tastes.’ [F.119.b] Nor does the wind element think, ‘I perform the function of the body’s inhalation and exhalation.’ Nor does the space element think, ‘I create hollow spaces inside the body.’ Nor does the element of consciousness think, ‘I produce the name and form of the body.’ Nor does the body think, ‘I am produced by these conditions.’ Yet, when these conditions are present, the body is born.


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“The earth element is not a self, not a being, not a life force, not a creature, not a human, not a person, not female, not male, not neuter, not me, not mine, and not anybody else’s.


“Similarly, the water element, the fire element, the wind element, the space element, and the consciousness element are also not a self, not a being, not a life force, not a creature, not a human, not a person, not female, not male, not neuter, not me, not mine, and not anybody else’s.


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“Here, what is ignorance? That which perceives these same six elements to be unitary, whole, permanent, constant, eternal, pleasurable, a self, a being, a life force, a creature, a soul,21 a man, an individual, a human, a person, me, and mine, along with the many other such variations of misapprehension, is called ignorance. The presence of such ignorance brings desire, aversion, and delusion toward objects. Such desire, aversion, and delusion toward objects are the formations caused by ignorance. [F.120.a] That which distinguishes between individual objects is consciousness. The four aggregates for appropriation that emerge in conjunction with consciousness, [along with the aggregate of material form], are name and form.22 The faculties based on name and form are the six sense sources. The conjunction of the three factors23 is contact. The experience of contact is sensation. Attachment to sensation is craving. The intensification of craving is appropriation. Action that comes from appropriation and causes rebirth is becoming. The emergence of the aggregates from such a cause is birth. The maturation of the aggregates after birth is aging. The perishing of the decrepit aggregates is death. The inner torment of the deluded, attached, dying person is sorrow. The utterance that comes from sorrow is lamentation. The experience of discomfort associated with the collection of the five consciousnesses is suffering. The mental suffering accompanied by attention24 is despair. Moreover, any other subtle defilements of this kind are called anxiety.


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“They are called ignorance in the sense of obscuring, formations in the sense of forming, consciousness in the sense of causing to know, name and form in the sense of mutual support,25 the six sense sources in the sense of entryways,26 contact in the sense of contact, sensation in the sense of experience, craving in the sense of thirst, appropriation in the sense of appropriating, becoming in the sense of giving birth to repeated becoming, birth in the sense of the emergence of the aggregates, aging in the sense of the maturation of the aggregates, death in the sense of perishing, sorrow in the sense of grieving, lamentation in the sense of wailing, suffering in the sense of bodily torment, despair in the sense of mental torment, and anxiety in the sense of subtle defilement.27


“Furthermore, not knowing reality, in the sense of not apprehending it and misapprehending it, is ignorance.


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“If such an ignorance is present, three types of formations develop: those that lead to meritorious states, those that lead to unmeritorious states, and those that lead to immovable states. This is what is meant by ‘ignorance causes formations.’ [F.120.b]


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“From formations that lead to meritorious states comes consciousness that leads to meritorious states. From formations that lead to unmeritorious states comes consciousness that leads to unmeritorious states. And from formations that lead to immovable states comes consciousness that leads to immovable states. This is what is meant by ‘formations cause consciousness.’


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“The four immaterial aggregates emerging together with consciousness, along with physical form, is what is meant by ‘consciousness causes name and form.’


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“Due to the development of name and form, the performance of actions through the entryways of the six sense sources occurs. This is what is meant by ‘name and form cause the six sense sources.’


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“From the six sense sources arise the six collections of contact. This is what is meant by ‘the six sense sources cause contact.’


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“Sensations occur precisely according to the type of contact that occurs. This is what is meant by ‘contact causes sensation.’


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“Relishing those different kinds of sensations, taking delight in them, clinging to them, and having that clinging remain is what is meant by ‘sensation causes craving.’


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“From relishing, taking delight, clinging, and having that clinging remain comes an unwillingness to let go, with the repeated wish: ‘May I never part from these dear and delightful forms!’28 This is what is meant by ‘craving causes appropriation.’


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“Such wishing gives rise to rebirth-producing actions by means of body, speech, and mind. This is what is meant by ‘appropriation causes becoming.’


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“The formation of the five29 aggregates born from such actions is what is meant by ‘becoming causes birth.’


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“The maturation of the development of the aggregates formed from birth, and their disintegration, is what is meant by ‘birth causes aging and death.’


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“Thus, this twelvefold dependent arising30‍—which comes from several different causes and from several different conditions, is neither permanent nor impermanent, [F.121.a] is neither compounded nor uncompounded, is not without any cause or condition, is not an experiencer,31 and is not something32 exhaustible, something destructible, or something that ceases‍—has proceeded from time immemorial, without interruption, like the flow of a river.


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“This twelvefold dependent arising‍—which comes from several different causes and from several different conditions, is neither permanent nor impermanent, is neither compounded nor uncompounded, is not without any cause or condition, is not an experiencer, and is not something33 exhaustible, something destructible, or something that ceases‍—has indeed proceeded from time immemorial, without interruption, like the flow of a river. Nevertheless, there are four links that serve as the cause for assembling this twelvefold dependent arising. What four links? Namely, ignorance, craving, karma, and consciousness.


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“Consciousness functions as a cause by having the nature of a seed. Karma functions as a cause by having the nature of a field. Ignorance and craving function as causes by having the nature of afflictions.


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“Karma and afflictions cause the seed of consciousness to grow. Here, karma functions as the field for the seed of consciousness. Craving moistens the seed of consciousness. Ignorance sows the seed of consciousness. Without these conditions, the seed of consciousness does not develop.


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“In this process, karma does not think, ‘I function as the field for the seed of consciousness.’ Nor does craving think, ‘I moisten the seed of consciousness.’ Nor does ignorance think, ‘I sow the seed of consciousness.’ Nor does the seed of consciousness think, ‘I am produced by these conditions.’ Yet when the seed of consciousness grows, planted in the field of karma, moistened by the water of craving, and strewn with the manure of ignorance, [F.121.b] the sprout of name and form manifests within whichever mother’s womb one will take rebirth through.


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“And this sprout of name and form is not created by itself, not created by another, not created by both, not created by Īśvara, not transformed by time, not derived from prakṛti, not dependent on a single factor, and not born without any cause. Nonetheless, from the combination of the union of the parents, the period of ovulation, and other conditions, the seed of consciousness, filled with appetite,34 produces the sprout of name and form within whichever mother’s womb one will take rebirth through. For although things35 are devoid of owner, devoid of ownership, ungraspable, space-like, and their nature is the mark of illusion, there is no deficiency of requisite causes and conditions.


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“For instance, the eye consciousness arises by way of five principles. What five principles? Namely, the eye consciousness arises based on the eye on which it depends, form, light, space, and the appropriate attention. Here, the eye functions as the basis for the eye consciousness. Form functions as the object of perception for the eye consciousness. Light functions as visibility. Space functions by not obstructing. Appropriate attention functions as mental reflection. Without these conditions, the eye consciousness cannot arise. But when the inner sense source, the eye, is not deficient, and likewise, when form, light, space, and appropriate attention are not deficient, then from the coming together of all these factors, the eye consciousness arises.


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“The eye does not think, ‘I serve as the basis for the eye consciousness.’ Nor does form think, ‘I serve as the object of perception for the eye consciousness.’ Nor does light think, ‘I function as the visibility for the eye consciousness.’ Nor does space think, ‘I do not obstruct the eye consciousness.’ Nor does appropriate attention think, [F.122.a] ‘I provide mental reflection for the eye consciousness.’ Nor does the eye consciousness think, ‘I am produced by these conditions.’ Yet, the eye consciousness is born from the presence of these conditions. Similarly, a corresponding analysis should be applied to the rest of the faculties.


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“Here, there is nothing36 whatsoever that transmigrates from this existence to the next. And yet, because there is no deficiency of requisite causes and conditions, the result of karma nonetheless manifests. It is like the appearance of the reflection of a face on the surface of a well-polished mirror. The face has not shifted onto the surface of the mirror, but because there is no deficiency of requisite causes and conditions, the face nonetheless appears there.


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“Similarly, there is nobody at all who transmigrates from here after death and is born elsewhere. And yet, because there is no deficiency of requisite causes and conditions, the result of karma nonetheless manifests. It is like how the orb of the moon travels at a distance of forty-two thousand yojanas above earth, and yet its reflection nonetheless appears in small vessels filled with water. It is not that the moon moves from its position and enters the small vessels filled with water. Yet, because there is no deficiency of requisite causes and conditions, the orb of the moon nonetheless appears there.


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“Likewise, that there is nobody at all who transmigrates from here after death and is born elsewhere, and yet, because there is no deficiency of requisite causes and conditions, the result of karma nonetheless manifests, is like how a fire ignites from the assemblage of its requisite causes and conditions, and not when deficient of its requisite causes and conditions.


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“In the same way, although things37 are devoid of owner, devoid of ownership, ungraspable, space-like, and their nature is the mark of illusion, because there is no deficiency of requisite causes and conditions, the seed of consciousness born of karma and afflictions will nonetheless produce the sprout of name and form within whichever mother’s womb one will take rebirth through.


“Thus is the conditional relation in inner dependent arising to be seen.


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“Here, inner dependent arising is to be seen in terms of five aspects. What five aspects? [F.122.b] As not permanent, as not discontinuous, as not involving transmigration, as the production of a large result from a small cause, and as a continuity of similar type.


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“How is it not permanent? It is not permanent because the final aggregates at death are one thing and those at birth are another; that is, the final aggregates at death are not the ones at birth. And yet, only when the final aggregates at death cease do the aggregates at birth arise.


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“How is it not discontinuous? It is not discontinuous because the aggregates at birth do not arise from the final aggregates at death either when they have already ceased, or when they have not yet ceased. Like the beam of a scale tilting from up to down, the aggregates at birth arise precisely when the final aggregates at death have ceased.


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“How does it not involve transmigration? It does not involve transmigration because beings from different classes of existence bring about their rebirth in a common form of birth.


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“How does it entail the production of a large result from a small cause? The ripening of a large result is experienced from having performed a minor action. Thus, it entails the production of a large result from a small cause.


“It involves a continuity of similar type because the ripening of an action is experienced precisely according to the action performed.


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“Venerable Śāriputra, whoever sees with perfect wisdom this dependent arising, perfectly taught by the Bhagavān, as it actually is‍—as always and forever38 without life force, devoid of life force, true, unmistaken, unborn, not arisen, uncreated, uncompounded, unobstructed, imperceptible, tranquil, fearless, incontrovertible, inexhaustible, and by nature never stilled‍—whoever fully and truly sees it as unreal, vain, hollow, unsubstantial, as a sickness, [F.123.a] a boil, a thorn, as miserable, impermanent, painful, empty, and self-less, such a person does not reflect on the past thinking, ‘Did I exist in the past, or not? What was I in the past? How was I in the past?’ Nor does such a person reflect on the future thinking, ‘Will I exist in the future, or not? What will I be in the future? How will I be in the future?’ Nor does such a person reflect on the present thinking, ‘What is this? How is this? Being what, what will we become? Where does this being39 come from? Where will it go when transmigrating from here at death?’


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“Whichever dogmas mendicants and brahmins hold throughout the world, whether they involve belief in a self, belief in a being, belief in a life force, belief in a person, or belief in ceremonies and festivities,40 such dogmas, prone to agitation and dullness,41 are all abandoned at that time. Fully understood as false, these dogmas are severed at the root and wither like the head of a palm tree,42 never to arise or cease in the future.


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“Venerable Śāriputra, whoever is endowed with such acceptance of the Dharma and thus perfectly understands dependent arising is prophesied for unexcelled, perfect, and complete awakening by the Tathāgata, the Arhat, the perfectly and completely awakened one, the one with perfect knowledge and conduct, the Sugata, the knower of the world, the incomparable charioteer of those who need taming, the teacher of gods and humans, the Bhagavān, the Buddha, in this way: ‘Such a person will become a perfect and complete buddha!’ ”


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After the bodhisattva mahāsattva Maitreya had thus spoken, venerable Śāriputra, together with the world of gods, humans, asuras, and gandharvas, [F.123.b] rejoiced and praised what the bodhisattva mahāsattva Maitreya had taught.


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This concludes the noble Mahāyāna sūtra, “The Rice Seedling.”

 

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It’s good you are going into nondual, however the Anātman (no self) insight I had goes deeper than that.


Because to assert everything is the same awareness, the same unchanging awareness modulating as the manifold is still falling into the same view or paradigm or structure of inherency or inherent existence. This is seen through in the anatman realisation. I just shared with someone yesterday:


“i'm guessing you are beginning to go into nondual, and you are experience non doership and nondual... but anatman is more than that, the insight into anatman as a dharma seal must be clear. you should also be clear what is mere non doership and what is anatta, they are not the same..


explained more in http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2020/04/different-degress-of-no-self-non.html and http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/06/pellucid-no-self-non-doership.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+AwakeningToReality+(Awakening+to+Reality)&m=1


do note that having nondual experience is still not good enough, you must be clear of overcoming the view of inherent existence, otherwise the underlying root cause of duality or the primary cause of ignorance is not overcome


even if one has an insight or realization of nondual, one may still not overcome the deeply rooted tendency or ignorance that reifies awareness into an unchanging source and substratum, and although you can have an experience of completely dissolving self into the mere vividness of sight, sound and so on, due to the latent faulty paradigm of inherent existence still in operation, that experience of 'no mind' (where subjectivity is forgotten) will be wrongly interpreted and reified into a substantialist nondual view, which you will then say things like "awareness is nondual with the world, but is not the world, awareness is like the unchanging mirror that is inseparable from reflections but is not the reflections that comes and go" etc, that is a desync of view and experience. although there is the experience of nondual, the wrong view of inherent existence is not thoroughly seen through and dissolved. then one falls into the Thusness Stage 4 phase, and cannot penetrate into Stage 5”


Another link that explains well by my dharma friend andre a pais: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2018/11/beyond-awareness.html “


P.s. for those reading this wondering what is thusness stage 5 etc, they should start by reading these articles, especially the first one:


http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html


http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2007/03/mistaken-reality-of-amness.html


http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2009/03/on-anatta-emptiness-and-spontaneous.html



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Inherent existence is the existence of 'something' independent of the aggregates, parts, manifestations, functionality, conditions and dependencies, label/imputation, and so on. Often it also denotes something exists unchangingly (although changing things can also be falsely imputed to have inherent existence). Inherent existence is like the delusion that 'weather' refers to a substance or entity that exists independent of the rain, wetness, heat, coldness, snow falling, wind blowing, etc, that transient and dynamic flow of phenomenality dependently originating, that the word 'weather' merely collates as a label. In other words 'weather' becomes reified as inherently existing, rather than realised to be a mere dependent designation empty of true existence of its own. (The labelling as such is not the issue, the reification into inherent existence due to ignorance is the issue)


Awareness/Consciousness too is empty like 'weather', a mere label. If it is mistaken to be something unchanging, like a substratum, even if it is 'non-dual with phenomena', that is still a substantialist view. This substantialist view is seen through with the insight into Anatman.




I wrote in Reddit months ago:


http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2022/07/no-nouns-are-necessary-to-initiate-verbs.html


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No nouns are necessary to initiate verbs


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Everything isn’t made of awareness, it quite literally is awareness itself. In your direct experience there isn’t anything inside looking out at something. the very thing that you presently think is the “seen” is the ongoing activity of the “seer” or awareness.


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I like your answer. Also, I would like to add, awareness is none other than the ongoing activity. It is not the case that awareness is an unchanging substance modulating as everything. 'Awareness' is just like a word like 'weather', a mere name denoting the ongoing dynamic activities of raining wetting sun shining wind blowing lightning strike and so on and on. 'Awareness' has no intrinsic existence of its own than moment to moment manifestation, even if at that moment it is just a mere sense of formless Existence, that too is another 'foreground' non-dual manifestation and not an unchanging background.


Just like there is no lightning besides flash (lightning is flashing -- lightning is just another name for flash and is not the agent behind flash), no wind besides blowing, no water besides flowing, no nouns or agents are needed to initiate verbs. There never was an agent, a seer, or even a seeing, besides colors, never an agent, a hearer, or even a hearing, besides sound. Anatta.


Some excerpts from the 2nd most famous Buddhist masters (right after the Dalai Lama) of our time, the Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh :


Excerpts from http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2008/10/sun-of-awareness-and-river-of.html


some other quotations which Thusness/PasserBy liked from the book --"When we say I know the wind is blowing, we don't think that there is something blowing something else. "Wind' goes with 'blowing'. If there is no blowing, there is no wind. It is the same with knowing. Mind is the knower; the knower is mind. We are talking about knowing in relation to the wind. 'To know' is to know something. Knowing is inseparable from the wind. Wind and knowing are one. We can say, 'Wind,' and that is enough. The presence of wind indicates the presence of knowing, and the presence of the action of blowing'.""..The most universal verb is the verb 'to be'': I am, you are, the mountain is, a river is. The verb 'to be' does not express the dynamic living state of the universe. To express that we must say 'become.' These two verbs can also be used as nouns: 'being", "becoming". But being what? Becoming what? 'Becoming' means 'evolving ceaselessly', and is as universal as the verb "to be." It is not possible to express the "being" of a phenomenon and its "becoming" as if the two were independent. In the case of wind, blowing is the being and the becoming....""In any phenomena, whether psychological, physiological, or physical, there is dynamic movement, life. We can say that this movement, this life, is the universal manifestation, the most commonly recognized action of knowing. We must not regard 'knowing' as something from the outside which comes to breathe life into the universe. It is the life of the universe itself. The dance and the dancer are one."


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Comments by Thusness/PasserBy: "...as a verb, as action, there can be no concept, only experience. Non-dual anatta (no-self) is the experience of subject/Object as verb, as action. There is no mind, only mental activities... ...Source as the passing phenomena... and how non-dual appearance is understood from Dependent Origination perspective."


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Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh:"When we say it's raining, we mean that raining is taking place. You don't need someone up above to perform the raining. It's not that there is the rain, and there is the one who causes the rain to fall. In fact, when you say the rain is falling, it's very funny, because if it weren't falling, it wouldn't be rain. In our way of speaking, we're used to having a subject and a verb. That's why we need the word "it" when we say, "it rains." "It" is the subject, the one who makes the rain possible. But, looking deeply, we don't need a "rainer," we just need the rain. Raining and the rain are the same. The formations of birds and the birds are the same -- there's no "self," no boss involved. There's a mental formation called vitarka, "initial thought."


When we use the verb "to think" in English, we need a subject of the verb: I think, you think, he thinks. But, really, you don't need a subject for a thought to be produced. Thinking without a thinker -- it's absolutely possible. To think is to think about something. To perceive is to perceive something. The perceiver and the perceived object that is perceived are one.When Descartes said, "I think, therefore I am," his point was that if I think, there must be an "I" for thinking to be possible. When he made the declaration "I think," he believed that he could demonstrate that the "I" exists. We have the strong habit or believing in a self. But, observing very deeply, we can see that a thought does not need a thinker to be possible. There is no thinker behind the thinking -- there is just the thinking; that's enough. Now, if Mr. Descartes were here, we might ask him, "Monsieur Descartes, you say, 'You think, therefore you are.' But what are you? You are your thinking. Thinking -- that's enough. Thinking manifests without the need of a self behind it."Thinking without a thinker. Feeling without a feeler. What is our anger without our 'self'? This is the object of our meditation. All the fifty-one mental formations take place and manifest without a self behind them arranging for this to appear, and then for that to appear. Our mind consciousness is in the habit of basing itself on the idea of self, on manas.


But we can meditate to be more aware of our store consciousness, where we keep the seeds of all those mental formations that are not currently manifesting in our mind. When we meditate, we practice looking deeply in order to bring light and clarity into our way of seeing things. When the vision of no-self is obtained, our delusion is removed. This is what we call transformation. In the Buddhist tradition, transformation is possible with deep understanding. The moment the vision of no-self is there, manas, the elusive notion of 'I am,' disintegrates, and we find ourselves enjoying, in this very moment, freedom and happiness."


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Key to make this into a natural state and effortless without entry or exit lies in the realization of anatman ( http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../on-anatta-emptiness... ). See if you can relate to the three links I sent above. The two stanzas of anatta when contemplated will lead to the anatman realization. That would be the commentary of the ninth oxerding picture by Zen Master Kubota Jiún: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../the-ten-ox-herding...
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Soh Wei Yu what’s meant by your distinction between glimpse and realization? Does realization mean being able to glimpse on demand? Abiding permanently in that glimpsed state? A knowing that it’s true even if you’re not currently glimpsing it? Thanks for clarification. 🙏

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Sudden Awakenings An excerpt from the AtR guide:

“What's important is realization. The 7 phases of realization as per JT map emphasizes the distinction of view, realization and experience. Realization is important for breakthrough.

With the correct realization comes the experience and possibility of stable and effortless experience of pure presence in its nondual, uncontrived, full-blown, empty and liberating way. Most crucial key is the anatta realization, and with that mature into two-fold emptiness and spontaneous perfection and self-liberation. But even before anatta, even for I AM, there is distinction between experience and realization.

On the other hand, having an experience does not indicate having realization necessarily. In such cases, experience fades in time.

The words of Jigme Lingpa:

Understanding is like a patch, it wears off

Experiences are like the mist, they fade

Realization is like space, unchanging” – Soh, 2021

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For example for many years even prior my I AM realization -- the unshakeable doubtless certainty of Beingness dawned, which led to a permanent shift of identity, I had many glimpses where I felt that the I AM or Witness is the ever present Self or Beingness etc. But it is still glimpses, it did not lead to a permanent shift of identity, nor did it come with an unshakeable certainty etc.

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Another quote I had about the AMness as a glimpse vs realization in the AtR guide: "If one has an experience of being a Witness or enter into a state of Witnessing, but it needs to be “maintained” or is felt to be “gained” or “lost”, even if one intuits that Witness to be ever-present, that is still an “experience” but not “realization” (see the classifications above). This does not mean after the I AM realization one can never be distracted by thoughts ever, it just means there is a kind of unshakeable certainty of Being that is never lost. You realized this is You without a shadow of doubt, as the ground of Being. As John Tan puts it, “Being freed from individuality -- coming and going, life and death, all phenomenon merely pop in and out from the background of the AMness. The AMness is not experienced as an ‘entity’ residing anywhere, neither within nor without; rather it is experienced as the ground reality for all phenomenon to take place. Even in the moment of subsiding (death), the yogi is thoroughly authenticated with that reality; experiencing the ‘Real’ as clear as it can be. We cannot lose that AMness; rather all things can only dissolve and re-emerges from it. The AMness has not moved, there is no coming and going. This "AMness" is God.”"

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Likewise in the article John Tan wrote for me in my nondual phase (transitioning from I AM to nondual but not yet anatta): http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2010/08/bringing-non-dual-to-foreground.html

"Doing this foreground practice, you are effectively refining your realization from “You as pure Existence” to “Existence is the very stuff of whatever arises”. The actual stuff - the screen, the keyboard, the clicking sound, the cool air, the taste, the vibration…is the actuality of Universe itself, there is no other. Nevertheless do take note that these are still experiences, they are not realizations. You will have to go through what you have gone through in the phase of ‘I AM’ from intermittent experiences to realizations."

---> this 2 sentences in particular: Nevertheless do take note that these are still experiences, they are not realizations. You will have to go through what you have gone through in the phase of ‘I AM’ from intermittent experiences to realizations.

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echoing Soh's point above, realization is when you literally live your life like how you live ur life in a dual state now except it is a non-dual state.

you don't experience the world like before anymore, and you even forget how other ppl experience their world. you just live in anatta, or non dual, or emptiness naturally, like how others live in dual, inherency naturally. it's completely effortless, one don't even think about it until when ask then probably look into the state and teach from there.

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