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https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=39248
Ted Biringer wrote:
"In sum, sudden awakening simply refers to the realization of what we are and have been all along. It is the essential first step to authentic Zen practice. Sit down and direct your attention [i]from[/i] what you are aware of [i]to[/i] the very essence of awareness itself - this mind is Buddha."
Soh replied:
I agree it is an important first step. But it is not the last and it is not what the Buddha came here to teach. Otherwise he would not be here -- the Vedas and Upanishads would have sufficed, and he would not have left his two Samkhya teachers.
First Mind is Buddha.
Then Seeing Form is Apprehending Mind, Hearing Sound is Realizing Dao. (见色明心,闻声悟道)
Then the realization of No Mind, No Buddha.
That is getting to Ma Tzu and Bodhidharma's message (especially his text The Doctrine of No Mind https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-doctrine-of-no-mind-by-bodhidharma.html ), and Hui-Neng's and Dogen's 'Impermanence is Buddha-Nature'.
Ted wrote:
"To recognize that objects of mind (phenomena, forms, dharmas) arise and cease endlessly, while mind itself neither arises nor ceases is not to deny the reality (Buddha-nature) of such objects – just the opposite in fact. It is, in truth, the very coming and going of all transient forms that allows us to awaken to that which is ever and always free from coming and going"
Soh replied:
What you are describing is the Shrenika false view of eternalism which Dogen refuted.
http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=H6A674nlkVEC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21
From Bendowa, by Zen Master Dogen
Question Ten:
Some have said: Do not concern yourself about birth-and-death. There is a way to promptly rid yourself of birth-and-death. It is by grasping the reason for the eternal immutability of the 'mind-nature.' The gist of it is this: although once the body is born it proceeds inevitably to death, the mind-nature never perishes. Once you can realize that the mind-nature, which does not transmigrate in birth-and-death, exists in your own body, you make it your fundamental nature. Hence the body, being only a temporary form, dies here and is reborn there without end, yet the mind is immutable, unchanging throughout past, present, and future. To know this is to be free from birth-and-death. By realizing this truth, you put a final end to the transmigratory cycle in which you have been turning. When your body dies, you enter the ocean of the original nature. When you return to your origin in this ocean, you become endowed with the wondrous virtue of the Buddha-patriarchs. But even if you are able to grasp this in your present life, because your present physical existence embodies erroneous karma from prior lives, you are not the same as the sages.
"Those who fail to grasp this truth are destined to turn forever in the cycle of birth-and-death. What is necessary, then, is simply to know without delay the meaning of the mind-nature's immutability. What can you expect to gain from idling your entire life away in purposeless sitting?"
What do you think of this statement? Is it essentially in accord with the Way of the Buddhas and patriarchs?
Answer 10:
You have just expounded the view of the Senika heresy. It is certainly not the Buddha Dharma.
According to this heresy, there is in the body a spiritual intelligence. As occasions arise this intelligence readily discriminates likes and dislikes and pros and cons, feels pain and irritation, and experiences suffering and pleasure - it is all owing to this spiritual intelligence. But when the body perishes, this spiritual intelligence separates from the body and is reborn in another place. While it seems to perish here, it has life elsewhere, and thus is immutable and imperishable. Such is the standpoint of the Senika heresy.
But to learn this view and try to pass it off as the Buddha Dharma is more foolish than clutching a piece of broken roof tile supposing it to be a golden jewel. Nothing could compare with such a foolish, lamentable delusion. Hui-chung of the T'ang dynasty warned strongly against it. Is it not senseless to take this false view - that the mind abides and the form perishes - and equate it to the wondrous Dharma of the Buddhas; to think, while thus creating the fundamental cause of birth-and-death, that you are freed from birth-and-death? How deplorable! Just know it for a false, non-Buddhist view, and do not lend a ear to it.
I am compelled by the nature of the matter, and more by a sense of compassion, to try to deliver you from this false view. You must know that the Buddha Dharma preaches as a matter of course that body and mind are one and the same, that the essence and the form are not two. This is understood both in India and in China, so there can be no doubt about it. Need I add that the Buddhist doctrine of immutability teaches that all things are immutable, without any differentiation between body and mind. The Buddhist teaching of mutability states that all things are mutable, without any differentiation between essence and form. In view of this, how can anyone state that the body perishes and the mind abides? It would be contrary to the true Dharma.
Beyond this, you must also come to fully realize that birth-and-death is in and of itself nirvana. Buddhism never speaks of nirvana apart from birth-and-death. Indeed, when someone thinks that the mind, apart from the body, is immutable, not only does he mistake it for Buddha-wisdom, which is free from birth-and-death, but the very mind that makes such a discrimination is not immutable, is in fact even then turning in birth-and-death. A hopeless situation, is it not?
You should ponder this deeply: since the Buddha Dharma has always maintained the oneness of body and mind, why, if the body is born and perishes, would the mind alone, separated from the body, not be born and die as well? If at one time body and mind were one, and at another time not one, the preaching of the Buddha would be empty and untrue. Moreover, in thinking that birth-and-death is something we should turn from, you make the mistake of rejecting the Buddha Dharma itself. You must guard against such thinking.
Understand that what Buddhists call the Buddhist doctrine of the mind-nature, the great and universal aspect encompassing all phenomena, embraces the entire universe, without differentiating between essence and form, or concerning itself with birth or death. There is nothing - enlightenment and nirvana included - that is not the mind-nature. All dharmas, the "myriad forms dense and close" of the universe - are alike in being this one Mind. All are included without exception. All those dharmas, which serves as "gates" or entrances to the Way, are the same as one Mind. For a Buddhist to preach that there is no disparity between these dharma-gates indicates that he understands the mind-nature.
In this one Dharma [one Mind], how could there be any differentiate between body and mind, any separation of birth-and-death and nirvana? We are all originally children of the Buddha, we should not listen to madmen who spout non-Buddhist views.
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Those who can read Chinese should read through the two pdfs/documents. You can use phone read to text to read for you (that's what I do when I am driving, etc).
Here's the link to my compilation of Zen Master Hong Wen Liang: https://app.box.com/s/ceb9i7wsk0lkfl2sjex97ai56l1k52pf
I really like his teachings. As John tan said, "There
r too many insightful pointers, really worth reading it multiple times.
Teacher Hong Wen Liang is 89 years old this year, glad u treasure his
articles. Difficult to find a teacher with such intimacy with one's
empty clarity. "
(Soh: here's ChatGPT translation, I have not verified its accuracy:
Before parents are born
Alright, let's talk a bit more. Those who usually work hard, listen carefully, and you will understand this: there is a bit of a shadow. You meditate on your own, feeling very comfortable. There are sounds, like the sound of a car outside now. The sound comes in, resonating steadily. Whether you want to hear it or not, it appears when present and disappears when it's gone. It's so peaceful, right? If you have a thought like "Ah, sound." This is your recognition function, right? Before this recognition function arises, is there a sound? I say "yes"! It's not about whether you recognize it or hear it. Is there a presence of sound first? You recognize it, then say I hear, I heard. You can only speak when you recognize it. Before you recognize the sound, does it move together with the realm? The sound you can hear and the sound heard are originally indistinguishable! (Soh: should be this instead - the hearer and the sound being heard are originally indistinguishable) The entire Dharma realm moves like that! The movement of the Dharma realm! The function of Dharma nature itself, acting according to the function of Dharma nature, does it rely on your recognition? Sometimes when meditating, you will temporarily enter this realm, temporarily leaving the realm of humans and gods. Do you understand? It's very subtle. If you don't usually work hard, then just listen to the theory; it's useless! Just grasp the principle and think hard. Because you don't usually meditate, listening to these words is basically useless.
Alright, before recognition arises, there is the function of Dharma nature, moving according to the function of Dharma nature, right? But you haven't recognized it yet. In that instant, when you haven't recognized it, you are temporarily taken to a realm beyond humans and gods. It's such a pity that at this time, although you have personally experienced this realm, you are utterly baffled and have no idea what's going on. Ah... it's right here, but you have no idea what's going on. So, in an instant, you fall back into the realm of "consciousness."
Those who truly understand the teachings of Master Yao Shan on non-thinking, the non-reliance and non-abiding taught by Manjusri, and the practice methods of the Buddha's orthodox teachings will always temporarily leave the world of humans and gods during meditation, entering other realms. Have you experienced it? Yes, everyone has, especially those who meditate often. Their experiences may be deeper than those of ordinary people. It's a pity that no one guides them; they just sit there blankly, only able to sit for a long time. Normally, when you encounter this, you still don't understand what's going on. What a pity! You don't know what's happening, and you have no idea what's going on. So in an instant, you return to the realm of "consciousness" once more.
So when you encounter a good teacher, whether they are monastic or lay, they have had this experience. When they speak of this level and the matters within, they understand more clearly than others. Ah, they will know! They will know!! But it's almost impossible to find such experienced teachers, and it's difficult to find diligent students who can understand. Everyone is just criticizing opinions, making a mess of things, like "ministerial views." I hope that one day, those in the audience will move beyond "ministerial views." A noisy teacher is a "minister." You are very clear about this; once you have it, you have it, very clear. Because it is your true face! You know yourself best! It's absolutely unshakable, where would it waver? This is the Dharma. No matter what others say, no matter what kind of reasoning they use, you won't be deceived. Because you have found your true, real self. Pay attention, this self. You want to cleanse this body and mind, sweep away afflictions, and become the real self. Ah, if you misunderstand again, my words would have been in vain.
The metaphor of burning
To make this real self... Let me use a metaphor, be careful, I'm using a metaphor! When you see a red rose in front of you, your real self, the whole, burns into that red rose, understand? When you see the red rose across from you, that's your true self burning into that red rose! Is there any ash? Is it burnt to ash? No! When you shift your eyes elsewhere and see a piece of bread, your real self, true nature, and true self are formless and have no fixed appearance! It instantly burns into a white piece of bread. The entire white piece of bread is your real self, burned into that form. What about the red rose just now? There's no trace of it, vanished without a trace. Now, when you see the white piece of bread, the bread is the result of your true nature burning, your entire body and mind burning into that white piece of bread. Look up at the stars in the night sky, where is the bread now? It's burned and vanished without a trace. A star in the distant sky becomes your true nature burning into that star. An ordinary Zen master would say, "You're talking nonsense, that star was already hanging in the sky when you weren't looking! How come when you turned to look, you burned into it? If you don't look, would that star not exist?" Isn't that what people usually say? This is human thinking, this is delusion and confusion. If that star doesn't manifest in your body and mind, what significance does it have to you? So, no matter what conditions you encounter, what you see, hear, touch, or think, as soon as you make contact, conditions arise, and that condition becomes your true nature, which is itself that condition. So our existence is an absolute existence, not subject to the constraints of time and space, without limits. Understand? How to prove it? That state is "just sitting," and there's no reasoning behind it!
Dr. Luo is compassionate, asking me to talk about some tips for sitting. I said that my old friends have heard it several times before, and their ears are worn out, but their buttocks haven't sat well. I said, fine, for the sake of new friends, let's talk more about these. Don't hold on, don't remember, please remember this principle. Always pay attention to your body and mind, like a ball of fire, burning, emitting light, emitting heat, encountering any condition, that condition becomes your true nature burning into it, boom, boom, boom, without interruption. That's all.
I often say that the awakened nature is the formless body of perfect illumination, so people think of it as something spiritual. This is completely wrong, a misunderstanding. The meaning of perfect illumination is that it can become clouds, and it can become stones.
It can also become love, and it can become hate. It can become emptiness, and it can become time. So, it is called the awakened nature of perfect illumination. It has no fixed form or appearance. The so-called spiritual and material are distinctions made by humans themselves, which is a realm of illusion, a concept. The concepts of having life or not having life are also something we don't know. So when someone dies, people think there is no life left, and they are terrified. Why?
You always use our cognitive spirit, which we call alaya consciousness, to understand Buddhism and life and death. So, of course, you are afraid of life and death. Some people are so afraid of life that they commit suicide, which is also inexplicable.)
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