- Non-duality, Anatta and BusinessCurious about running a business from a non-dual perspective and if it’s even possible.In my very little business (7 employees) I have to do it in a sort of ‘this is the agreed game we are playing’ kind of way, pretend we are all separate to an extent….yet it has thrown up many incongruencies, conflicts, hard decisions and questions over the years. (Yes, excellent training ground!).Like, why would I want to make maximum money from this ‘other’ who I feel such overflowing love for and who is not other at all. It seems I have to ‘other’ them and ‘self’ a me to engage with it all. Yet that is actually impossible. The client base is wealthy so it’s relatively easy in the sense that making a profit isn’t exploitative, as they aren’t struggling financially.Yet still, they are me and usually they would prefer to give me as little as possible, and I’m supposed to want as much as possible.And also with employees, I want to pay them as much as I possibly can, why wouldn’t I ! They are me. Yet the ‘sensible’ business model way would be to want to and try and pay them as little as possible and maximise profit.I see them as sovereign powerful beings and would love to see them thriving and expanding, busy with more fun higher things than struggling financially. Yet the industry is relatively low paid and aware there’s a larger dominant surrounding economic model which has a strong influence that has to be navigated with.There’s a running joke in my company that it is run by ‘The Force” (as in star wars) and we laugh about the clients’ reactions if they knew that.Aware that my ego kind of likes that I’m posting this, as it could be interpreted as virtue signally. Tick, ok with and clock that. Not looking for any ‘well done’s’ here. Some goals above might seem virtuous but that isn’t the motive, which is to live in a congruent way, probably in a right livelihood sense.Maybe that’s the succinct question there, can a business be run in a truly no self, non-dual, right livelihood way? Or maybe if I was truly in anatta none of this would even come up and that alone should be the focus and everything else would fall into place. Pls delete if this is off topic!
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Ng Xin Zhao thanks, looks interesting…how it might scale up to the macro economic situation…maybe where we are evolving towards
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You can be rich, awakened, and benefit the sangha.
In pali canon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathapindika
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In mahayana canon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimalakirti_Sutra
The
 scene is now Vimalakīrti's house in Vaiśālī. He is a wealthy merchant 
householder. He is a husband and a father. However, he is also a 
powerful bodhisattva with Buddha-like qualities.
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John tan is a rich and successful businessman. Unfortunately he is not in this group to comment.
Ng Xin Zhao
I didn't read the Buddhist economics yet, but here's some ready stuffs I have on hand. 
Don't
 need to buy into economics is built on greed. There's many companies 
which are not greed based. Non-profit organizations for example. One can
 also share wealth with the employees by having them as automatic share 
holders of the company, paying the profits to all via dividend. 
Can also read some Marxism, Star trek economy without money, https://www.thevenusproject.com/ 
Corporate
 social responsibilities, looking towards being green, using profits for
 good projects. Like so many billionaires are using it to fund space 
travel. Can use it to end poverty, promote vegan food, plant based meat 
etc. 
And look to Buddhist temples who has staffs too.

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Ng Xin Zhao thanks for that and the link to the Venus Project, really inspiring to see such visionaries and projects exist
Òskar K. Linares
It
 is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick 
society. - K. So no, it's not possible, capitalism is too sick. You will
 have to compete, want it or not... As said before, greed is in the 
leading force in capitalist economy. A rat's race towards disaster. You 
cannot avoid it if you enter to play the game. Sorry. If you want 
something non-dual you may work for a non-profit org helping others.
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John tan said:
Not
 affected by the 8 winds of prosperity, decline, disgrace, honor, 
praise, censure, suffering and pleasure is the anatta and non-dual of 
business.  Recognize it by taste, not by forms.
But also be aware of 苏东坡 poems of the 8 winds and zen master 佛印 story... Haha
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Regarding the su dong po poems: https://medium.com/.../the-eight-winds-cannot-move-me...
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Nafis Rahman
This post from last year is pretty similar: https://www.facebook.com/groups/AwakeningToReality/posts/5885291134845601/
Sample reply:
Soh Wei Yu Admin
To
 the best of your ability practice the paramitas and let go of 
attachment to the eight worldly winds. But take steps to attain 
realisation, especially anatta realisation is crucial (but one can start
 with the I AM, etc). And as Albert Hong said yesterday, "Daily 
practice, or having a formal practice schedule day in and day out is 
obviously the baseline. Then integrating that with your life.
But integration isn't possible in the way OP is getting at unless one has something to actually integrate.
Hence why retreat or doing a LOT of practice in daily life is paramount to have any success and progress."
Practically
 speaking, it is very difficult to overcome these attachments without 
correct realisation, although we just do our best in practice. For 
example, John Tan suffered a lot despite his I AM realization, glimpses 
of nondual and so on when faced with bankruptcy in 1997, which then 
became the condition for him to take refuge in the triple gems and 
realise anatta. Even after realising anatta it does not mean immediately
 we become free from all attachments and become an arahant, there is 
also a period of deepening and overcoming of any traces or tendencies.
John Tan said in 2005,
"Hi Long Chen,
Nice
 to see you and Eternal Now too. As to your question whether one's 
enlightenment will hinder oneself from relating in a normal society, I 
supposed not. For one that has arrived at the fundamental ground, 
whatever role he assumes, whether as a monk, teacher, businessman or a 
beggar, he remains free. When it comes to practical application, he will
 naturally know how to harmonize and fuses completely with everything.
In
 Buddhism, No-Self is not a question of morality; it is a question of 
the true nature of the phenomenon reality. From the marco universe to 
the quantum world of quarks, from time to space, from body to 
consciousness, all exhibit this characteristic. Emptiness prevails 
everywhere. Even right now at this moment, we witness the Emptiness 
truth in action -- the moment ceases as it arises. There is no changing 
thing (Self), only change. Viewing things as solid entities and 
categorizing them as 'this' or 'that' is due to the poverty of our 
thinking mechanism, it is not reality.
The
 act of labeling will make 'things' appear solid and separated, to the 
extent that even when we are dealing with the very essence of ourselves 
-- the pure awareness, we make it an 'I AM'. 'I AMness' is perhaps the 
furthest the Thinking-Mind can give way and it is never meant merely as 
an expression for communication. We seek, find and attempt to locate it 
as if it is a solid entity hiding somewhere. As long as this wrong way 
of 'seeing' persists, there will be attachments and sufferings. This is 
the way it is; you cannot eliminate attachment with an 'I'. Therefore 
the capacity to see by awakening the emptiness wisdom is especially 
important in Buddhism.
Bare
 attention that is taught in insight meditation trains one to see 
without labeling, without a layer of words. It presents us a new mode of
 experiencing reality as an ever changing inseparable flux. Without this
 layer of thought, 'I' has no place to reside and slowly the bond of 'I'
 will loosen and subside. If the karmic condition ripens, the mysterious
 relationship between the pure awareness and the phenomenon world will 
be revealed.
The
 experience of I AM is an intuitive experience of our naked 
consciousness. It is seeing Consciousness face to face and touching 
Consciousness directly without in between thoughts. But its Emptiness 
nature must be understood to progress further. I got to go now....do 
take care.
Thusness
Edited by Thusness 21 Oct `05, 9:35AM "
Nafis Rahman
John Tan, 2006,
"When
 in business, set our goals and go for it! We can’t afford to be 
flickered minded in business. I agree that the business world can serves
 as a good practice ground; just that it is easy to enter, difficult to 
get out when it grows.
There
 is this latent tendency of the mind to identify in a very subtle way 
that goes undetected until we are forced to confront our identifications
 and attachments. I always thought I have achieved certain level of 
detachment but Singapore’s past 3 major recessions revealed otherwise. 
Never in the past 3 recessions when attempting to save my businesses had
 I able to remain pure, calm and stable. In fact many evil and 
unwholesome thoughts surfaced (too shame to list them all). I am 
fortunate that I managed to survive these crises, they are nightmares 
but I do not want to roll in it till my last day; however settling these
 businesses can take many years. Like karma that rolls on, we never know
 whether we can stop it at the correct time.
In
 my opinion, spirituality is more than just being healthy 
psychologically and having a good life in the here and now. There is a 
deeper sense to it; a deeper conviction that this life is but a spark in
 a never ending stream. I would not call it an ambition but it 
definitely starts from a deep call within to understand who we truly 
are. Do leave some years for the bliss you mentioned, I wish you 
success."
Nafis Rahman
Soh Wei Yu Admin
The
 spiritual path is all about totally obliterating all delusions and 
sense of self/Self and later the subtle knowledge obscurations. For that
 you need to realise, and if you haven't realise then take steps to 
realisation, then after realisation there is usually still ongoing 
practice and two obscurations that are gradually eliminated. Anything 
that supports that path or at least does not detract one from that, will
 be supportive. Examples of actions that would not be supportive would 
be the ten nonvirtues*, or any acts that harms oneself and/or others, 
disturbs the mind, causes guilt and other unwholesome mental factors 
which can obscure the clarity and stability of one's mind. The ten 
unwholesome or nonvirtuous actions themselves arise out of afflictions 
and self-grasping.
None
 of those actions you mentioned, in and of themselves, are necessities 
nor hindrances for awakening but are individual specific. Nobody can 
tell you what you must do, it must come from one's own intuitive 
awareness. For example taking responsibility for family - what about 
monks? Monks don't need to take responsibility for family (other than 
perhaps in some ways like teaching dharma and so on), but many monks are
 awakened. But as a lay person if you have a family, then taking 
responsibility for family is also not in and of itself an obstacle, but 
what is appropriate for you. 
Engagement
 in activity is not necessarily an obstacle, in fact, when one is 
actualizing anatta, one is fully engaged in a non-dual manner, from 
sound and sight and smell and taste and touch and thought... to full 
engagement in action where the whole universe is exerting in that 
action/activity. One is only not engaged in the moment of action if 
there is a sense of self, dissociating, withdrawing, contracting away 
from the moment of experience or action. Dissociation is the result of 
sense of self and grasping, thus a cause of suffering. But at the same 
time if one is attached or grasping while engaging, then one is 
appropriating things in terms of I, me, and mine, then it becomes an 
obstacle and a cause for suffering as well. So, the key and quality of 
spiritual practices does not always lie in 'what' you are 
doing/not-doing, but more in terms of the quality of how you are 
relating or experiencing that moment, and more fundamentally whether one
 is operating from ignorance or wisdom/gnosis.
There
 is also the teaching of non-action, wu wei, or wei wu wei -- actionless
 action. In actionless action, the gap between actor and action is 
refined till none. As John Tan puts it in 2012, "When the gap between 
actor and action is refined till none, that is non-action and that 
non-action is total action. Whether this total action is understood as 
the natural way will depend on whether the insight of anatta has arisen.
 Anatta is the insight that allows the practitioner to see clearly that 
this has always been the case." - http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../total-exertion_20.html
Besides
 the refining the gap of actor and action till none, there are also the 
qualities of 'action without seeking results', behaving without hopes 
and fears. Almost like you are doing something for the sake of just 
doing something, rather than a result in the future. There can moments 
of planning, a goal, but in that moment of executing there is no 
attachment to all these, just pure action. And one is not attached to an
 expected result or outcome either. The means becomes an end to itself. 
As John Tan said, in his business career, he had to deal with a lot of 
these, and the key is completely relinquishing all grasping at 'gain' 
and 'loss' into non-action. This is also a key to non-action and 
liberation. The relinquishment of grasping towards the eight worldly 
winds: Gain, loss, status, disgrace, censure, praise, pleasure, & 
pain https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN8_6.html
Now
 I speak as if spirituality is only totally 'self immolating' or 'self 
relinquishment' as if it is a complete opposite of 'self improvement'. 
That is also not necessarily the case. Improvement is always happening 
and is usually something positive, but while actualizing it comes from 
the flow of the total exertion. Like you learn and become good at 
singing by the full engagement of singing, you learn and become good at 
tennis by the full engagement of playing tennis. The learning does not 
come from a 'self' trying to 'know' or 'grasp' or 'learn' or 'become 
better' at something. Simply let the full engagement of whole 
body-mind-universe totally exerting itself, improve itself by itself and
 just lose yourself in that whole process without even grasping or 
seeking for an outcome, that whole 'self' construct is unnecessary and 
extra. Then actions can be self-liberated. Otherwise, all actions just 
become worldly karma or actions, karmic activities, that leave traces 
resulting and ripening in good and bad experiences in samsara but no 
liberation.
Total Exertion
Total Exertion
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Nafis Rahman
 thank you, so much in there. “Without hopes and fears”. One of the 
major lessons of running a business for me, riddles with so many fears 
and hopes, mostly fears! And yet now with more equanimity in the mix 
after some years, I sit right back inside and ‘allow’ much more. And 
strangely, like magic, the business does better without ‘me’ in the way.
 Observing this with interest and amusement after years of 
rollercoastering.
Nafis Rahman
Soh Wei Yu Admin
Actualizing
 is only the natural way after insight into anatta as 'always already 
so', but before that one can still practice non-action and letting go 
gain/loss, hopes/fears, the paramitas and so on. These will help lessen 
and dissolve the sense of self in activities. Then take steps to give 
rise to the correct realisations. At some point, the insights are 
naturally actualized in daily living.
“Soh Wei Yu Sunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:38pm UTC+10
facing
 all kinds of stuff in life and yet experiencing the three 
characteristics of self-liberation like you said, "non-duality, 
non-attachment and fearlessness" is how I understand dong zhong xiu 
(practice amidst movement) now
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:39pm UTC+10
yes
 but with the direct and intuitive knowledge that there is no you facing
 anything, it is the entire universe facing it. it is like all the 
phases of your insights actualized in this conventional world.
means when say talking to my children, it is neither me nor him… it is one activity
like I talk to you, it does not mean that soh does not exist.
it
 is just no thusness or soh, only the question on hand that makes up the
 situation… or when you talking to your teacher, no teacher or student 
relationship… just a single activity… get it?
teacher
 is not teacher, student not student… teacher becomes the student, the 
student becomes the teacher, the teacher is the teacher, the student is 
the student, no teacher, no student...all as one activity...
everything
 interpenetrates, everything interdefines, there is no everything… when 
eyes are open.. .the spontaneous presence of scenery… no seer, no 
seeing, no seen… seer is the seeing is the seen… just this, the entire 
movement.
this must be your moment to moment encounter in mundane activity.
deconstruct
 self, deconstruct physical, deconstruct external, deconstruct internal…
 be free from all arbitrary definitions and stories… then whatever 
experience is neither physical nor mental nor spiritual... just direct, 
non-conceptual as it is state of self arising… be free from all 
arbitrary thoughts and definitions… don't let 'yourself' be troubled by 
all these so that this activity is unobstructed and uncontrived in clean
 purity… then experience will be transparent and total.”
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"Has
 awareness stood out? There is no concentration needed. When six entries
 and exits are pure and primordial, the unconditioned stands shining, 
relaxed and uncontrived, luminous yet empty. The purpose of going 
through the 7 phases of perception shift is for this... Whatever arises 
is free and uncontrived, that is the supreme path. Whatever arises has 
never left their nirvanic state... ... your current mode of practice 
[after those experiential insights] should be as direct and uncontrived 
as possible. When you see nothing behind and magical appearances are too
 empty, awareness is naturally lucid and free. Views and all 
elaborations dissolved, mind-body forgotten... just unobstructed 
awareness. Awareness natural and uncontrived is supreme goal. Relax and 
do nothing, Open and boundless, Spontaneous and free, Whatever arises is
 fine and liberated, This is the supreme path. Top/bottom, 
inside/outside, Always without center and empty (2-fold emptiness), Then
 view is fully actualized and all experiences are great liberation." - 
John Tan, 2012
“There's
 absolutely no need to attempt to bring anything whatsoever, presence, 
witnessing, whatever, into sleep or any states (waking, dreaming, and 
deep sleep). Any dualistic effort is a form of doing. Bringing in a 
watcher is karma. All dharmas, all phenomena, are fundamentally 
quiescent as nirvana, fundamentally non-arising and naturally 
manifesting as one's own state of radiance. Therefore true practice is 
resting in the natural, spontaneous perfection of luminosity and 
emptiness. Practice becomes dynamic rather than technique-bound as the 
spontaneous unfolding or self-arising of all displays, activities, 
sounds, colors, sensations, gets auto-actualized as the wisdom of 
luminous-emptiness. Everything arises as the state of meditation, which 
is non-meditation. Yet this requires anatta and emptiness insight as 
prerequisite.” - Soh, 2018
In
 the words of Ch’an Master Hsiang-yen: “At one stroke I forgot all my 
knowledge! There’s no use for artificial discipline, For, move as I 
will, I manifest the ancient Way.9 i
The Way of Zen (p. 145). Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.”
(Related: Satsang Nathan Videos where Nathan also quoted Ch’an Master Hsiang-yen and Bahiya Sutta)
“[11:53
 PM, 12/8/2019] John Tan: It [referring to the words of Ch’an Master 
Hsiang-yen] is referring to natural state. But that is very high 
attainment...lol. easy to say, need aeons of life of 修为 [cultivation]。
 Natural state is non-practice. Means 起心动念 [arising of thoughts] is 
naturally free and spontaneously perfected. Every moment is practice, 
whole-body mind is naturally mindful and aware. However 99.9% of us are 
not there… lol” - John Tan, 2019
Nafis Rahman
“When
 anatta matures, one is fully and completely integrated into whatever 
arises till there is no difference and no distinction.
When
 sound arises, fully and completely embraced with sound yet 
non-attached. Similarly, in life we must be fully engaged yet 
non-attached” - John Tan/Thusness
“[6:44
 PM, 5/1/2019] John Tan: The 8 worldly concerns are the places you 
practice. That is why I told you engage in situations and events. Karmic
 propensities will not manifest without conditions. They remain hidden. 
Therefore last phase is always the market place. If you did not enter 
the marketplace, realization is not actualized.”
(Note: on practicing in the midst of the eight worldly conditions, refer to Lokavipatti Sutta at https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN8_6.html - in brief; they are gain, loss, status, disgrace, censure, praise, pleasure, & pain)
"There is the self that arises from conceptual reification, seeing through that with anatta insight is entry point.
There is the self that arises in marketplace, in day to day activities, anatta of that is graduation." - John Tan, 2018
“the
 degree of openess and effortlessness are a matter of wisdom in seeing 
through... and this seeing through is only actualized in moment to 
moment engagement.
We do not know how much residue is left until we meet conditions" - John Tan
“Andre
 posted another good article today about how the 8 worldly concerns in 
daily engagements relate to agentless-action, dependent origination and 
emptiness and all these play their inevitable bits in wearing off our 
obscurations.  As the sutra explained, habitual obscurations are 
exceedingly subtle like scent left behind a container hence there is no 
short-cut to liberation -- it’s all step by step and bit by bit erosion 
of the nuances and subtleness of “inherentness” in one’s ignorance.” – 
John Tan, Connecting dots, authenticating DO
“To
 me, actualization of one's insights is like a lotus, pure, mature and 
beautiful wherever is. Peace is not sitting [with] nothing to do [while]
 appreciating sunrise and sunset 
… it is entering hellish conditions [while] not being affected like a lotus.” - John Tan, 2019
[12:04 PM, 4/12/2020] John Tan: I hope this pandemic ends quickly, it is world war III in actuality.
[12:05
 PM, 4/12/2020] John Tan: But it is extremely touching to see some 
people showing care to those that needs them.  Even hawkers are showing.
[12:05 PM, 4/12/2020] John Tan: ‘I’m losing money, might as well do good’: The hawkers helping the helpless
[12:06 PM, 4/12/2020] John Tan: https://www.cnbc.com/.../told-my-landlord-i-cant-pay-rent...
[12:06 PM, 4/12/2020] John Tan: It is extremely warm to read these kind of stories.
[12:08 PM, 4/12/2020] John Tan: You see, I want you to look into these in practice.
[12:09
 PM, 4/12/2020] John Tan: Practice is not just non-dual. But to dirty 
your hand and still rising above them like the symbol of a lotus. Not 
disassociating.
“IMO
 there is no further, it is the depth of how deep and how much the self 
is released regardless of what path is taken. I am not a teacher, there 
may be other ways… … Dealing with the mind, energy and awareness is a 
complex journey. There is the safe way and the dangerous way. The way is
 quite straightforward but the mind uncontented will look for shortcuts 
as it wants more. But that is usual… lol. There are those that want 
others to know about it and wrote about it and there are those that are 
not into this.
Soh has written a lot and visited many masters that can probably share with you better.
As
 for me, my path is simple. It is just plainly and simply opening myself
 in my work, seeing my family and children enjoy… ever tasting these 
natural expressions. I find them miraculous yet ordinary, others may not
 and look for more. So I am unable to tell them anything further.” - 
John Tan, 2019
“Actually
 there is no forcing. All the 4 aspects in I AMness are fully expressed 
in anatta as I told you.  If aliveness is everywhere, how is one not to 
engage… it is a natural [tendency] to explore in [various] arena[s] and 
enjoy in business, family, spiritual practices... I [am] involve[d] in 
Finance, business, society, nature, spirituality, yoga...

.  I don't find it efforting… You just don't have to boast about this and that and be non-dual and open.” - John Tan, 2019
“Just
 met a friend yesterday who recently started meditating. His girlfriend 
joked that he might be becoming a monk. I told him that besides the 
daily sitting meditation, practice is mostly and very much in daily life
 and engagement rather than in some remote region in the mountains, it 
is about living a life in the marketplace that is spontaneously 
beneficial for oneself and others around, and joyful, rather than one 
that is miserable. It is fully engaged and free.
At
 its deepest, most basic level, Zen—or any spiritual path, for that 
matter—is much more than a list of what we can get from it. In fact, Zen
 is the realization of the oneness of life in all its aspects. It’s not 
just the pure or “spiritual” part of life: it’s the whole thing. It’s 
flowers, mountains, rivers, streams, and the inner city and homeless 
children on Forty-second Street. It’s the empty sky and the cloudy sky 
and the smoggy sky, too. It’s the pigeon flying in the empty sky, the 
pigeon shitting in the empty sky, and walking through the pigeon 
droppings on the sidewalk. It’s the rose growing in the garden, the cut 
rose shining in the vase in the living room, the garbage where we throw 
away the rose, and the compost where we throw away the garbage. Zen is 
life—our life. It’s coming to the realization that all things are 
nothing but expressions of myself. And myself is nothing but the full 
expression of all things. It’s a life without limits. There are many 
different metaphors for such a life. But the one that I have found the 
most useful, and the most meaningful, comes from the kitchen. Zen 
masters call a life that is lived fully and completely, with nothing 
held back, “the supreme meal.” And a person who lives such a life—a 
person who knows how to plan, cook, appreciate, serve, and offer the 
supreme meal of life, is called a Zen cook.”
“But
 why does a venerable elder such as yourself waste time doing the hard 
work of a head cook?” Dogen persisted. “Why don’t you spend your time 
practicing meditation or studying the words of the masters?” The Zen 
cook burst out laughing, as if Dogen had said something very funny. “My 
dear foreign friend,” he said, “it’s clear you do not yet understand 
what Zen practice is all about. When you get the chance, please come and
 visit me at my monastery so we can discuss these matters more fully.” 
And with that, he gathered up his mushrooms and began the long journey 
back to his monastery. Dogen did eventually visit and study with the Zen
 cook in his monastery, as well as with many other masters. When he 
finally returned to Japan, Dogen became a celebrated Zen master. But he 
never forgot the lessons he learned from the Zen cook in China.”
- Zen Master Bernie Glassman” - Soh, 2019
“In
 Zen, enlightenment implies full integration into activities. Any lack 
of such insight is not 'enlightenment in Zen'.” - John Tan, 2010
“My daily activities are not unusual,
I'm just naturally in harmony with them.
Grasping nothing, discarding nothing,
In every place there's no hindrance, no conflict.
Who assigns the ranks of vermilion and purple?
The hills' and mountains' last speck of dust
is extinguished.
[My] supernatural power and marvelous activity—
Drawing water and carrying firewood.” - Layman Pang
For more: ATR Guide - Entering the Marketplace, Actualizing Daily Life

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All
 I can speak from is my own experience. For me it’s easy because there 
are no agendas. There’s no finger on the scale at a fundamental level 
influencing how it goes, it just goes or doesn’t. Simple and 
spontaneous. But interestingly that eliminates fear, greed etc, which 
eliminates hesitation but doesn’t exclude genuine concern for how the 
business activity affects all things. Without competing agendas it 
becomes simple and naturally enjoyable.

