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How does the AtR system view the importance and relation of samadhi pre-Anatta and after Anatta realisation?
18 Comments
Geoffrey Levens
What
is "AtR system " system? Search shows up a whole bunch of different
things, none related to spiritual development. Thank you
Pablo Pintabona
Geoffrey Levens https://atr-abridgedguide.blogspot.com/.../this-is... not finished yet, but will let you know what it's meant by AtR
ATR-ABRIDGEDGUIDE.BLOGSPOT.COM
AtR Guide - abridged version
Geoffrey Levens
Pablo Pintabona Thank you!
Soh Wei Yu
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I often let people read this article as introduction to some of the phases of insights in AtR (awakening to reality):

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Thusness/PasserBy's Seven Stages of Enlightenment
Aditya Prasad
Geoffrey Levens AtR is shorthand for "awakening to reality" (the name of this group).
David Tsin Aname
..well there really wouldn’t be a need for this distinction if you’ve realized no self. So the question is kind of confusing..
Anna Mukherjee
Author
David Tsin Aname
Awakening to Reality stages synthesise many Buddhist and neo-advaita
traditions. There is a guide to various insights along the path but I
didn't come much across samadhi reading through the blog, therefore my
question. I'm just curious, that's all. Samadhi is crucial in
facilitating insights, but insights are not enough. In Zen, for example,
the realisation of non self is not a final end but a mere beginning.
Samadhi becomes crucial in integrating the insight so it's fully
embodied and expressed in every activity, in wakefulness, dream and all
the states so it becomes seamless practice-enlightement 24hr.
Soh Wei Yu
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Anatta is the ninth oxherding picture commentary here: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../the-ten-ox-herding...
It is usually not the beginning phase of practice.
But indeed it is not the end of practice but the beginning of ongoing practice-enlightenment

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The Ten Ox-Herding Pictures
Soh Wei Yu
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In the stages of 3 to 8, the practitioner is flipflopping between I AM, one mind and no mind.
Suddenly, anatta in stage 9 makes no mind totally effortless, totally without entry or exit.
The
zen master then remarked that at that stage practice and enlightenment
becomes unnecessary because there is the realisation of anatta as
“always already so from the beginning”.
But
I must say that is not the full picture. It is rather ongoing
practice-enlightenment, spontaneous and effortless. Not no practice.
Even
the 10th stage is just ongoing practice-enlightenment and not a
finality. This actualization goes on and on whether in sitting or in the
marketplace.
Robert Young
New to this group. What is the AtR system?
Soh Wei Yu
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I often let people read this article as introduction to some of the phases of insights in AtR (awakening to reality):

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Thusness/PasserBy's Seven Stages of Enlightenment
Robert Young
Soh Wei Yu thank you.
Soh Wei Yu
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From comments section in http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../thusnesss-six...
That
said, I never doubted the importance of “concentration &
absorption” in spiritual practices. It is also true that the strength of
uninterrupted concentration may not be there even for one with insights
(especially when one have just begun to have nondual realisations and
the insight into emptiness is not yet there), and it has to go hand in
hand with their new found insight of nonduality for stability, and also
move into various graduation of nonduality. As mentioned earlier, there
are no stages/appearances that are purer than any others – every state
is equally pure and non-dual in naSSSSture. When the mind grasps pure
awareness as ‘formless’, ‘thoughtless’, ‘attributeless’, and as the
background reality.... the ‘fabric’ and ‘texture’ of pristine awareness
as ‘forms’ is then missed. Nevertheless, whatever you commented is
crucial especially for the first 3 (Thusness’s) stages of experience,
and in these stages the problem would certainly be the lack of sustained
meditation concentration as well as the tendency of trying to grasp
intellectually... which is also why Thusness often emphasizes the
importance of sitting.
The
first 3 stages are before the arising of non-dual insight and the
purpose of sustainability is to create sufficient gap between 2 moments
of thoughts to allow the sensation of contrast between
conceptual/non-conceptuality for the thinking mind to realize the
possibility of going pre-symbolic thereby loosening its stubborn grips
of a dualistic framework.
Sustained
bare attention also gave rise to the realization that ‘inner’, ‘outer’,
‘space’, ‘time’ and even ‘body’ and ‘mind’ are all mere constructs.
Freeing from these constructs, also give rise to the condition for
non-dual insight to arise.
For
the first 3 stages, practice takes the form of striving towards a
certain stage of perfection whereas stages 4 onwards, practice moves
from ‘efforting’ to natural luminosity and spontaneity.
As
to what led to jhanic bliss, I would like to say that regardless of
samatha or vipassana practices, true blissful absorptive experiences are
the result of dissolution of self and subject-object split. For
non-dualists, this blissful absorptive experience takes a form of
clarity-absorption which is mentioned in one of the Thusness posts in my
friend Longchen’s forum (http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/.../different...).
It is difficult to explain and I will not speculate further what that
is beyond me. It should also be mentioned however at a deeper level of
non-dual realisation, when true spontaneity is realised, and
psychological death is complete, one will overcome the tendency of
grasping on the conscious and the three states (waking, dream, deep
dreamless sleep) becomes one. He will also realize that it is needless
to maintain an uninterrupted state of conscious witnessing awareness
when the true nature of Awareness is revealed, as Thusness and Longchen
have said.
Well said! Speak no more and experience fully!
Rest.

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Thusness/PasserBy's Seven Stages of Enlightenment
Mr. KOÖ
Since
you're also in the Rinzai group, I would also suggest that you ask the
same question to Meido Roshi. Bringing the anatta realization to your
entire life, 24/7, is the importance of samadhi.
Anna Mukherjee
Author
Mr. KOÖ I've watched his teaching on samadhi, great pointers. I was just curious if there's anything specific on AtR blog on this.
Soh Wei Yu
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After actual anatta realisation, the state of no mind becomes all the time so.
But
it does not indicate the end of practice nor does it obviate the need
to continue training samadhi. It simply takes a different role and
becomes a direct path of practice-enlightenment.
And
And

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A Peak Experience of No Mind vs the Realization of Anatta / The Dharma Seal of Always Already No-Mind
Soh Wei Yu
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John tan meditates one hour in the morning and one hour at night.
Also
although he never advertises his practice, he did tell me verbally over
a decade ago that the moment he sits, he enters very deep samadhi in
less than a minute
So anyone who cant do this should continue to sit and sit
Of
course, after anatta breakthrough the equipoise and post equipoise are
mixed and becomes inseparable much like how mahamudra describes one
taste. There is no entry or exit. And you should experience the
insight-absorption samadhi even in daily life with the insight of
anatta. Then continue practicing. Its a 24-7 practice although not in an
efforting way.