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Ng Xin Zhao
These suttas may help you.
Don't look down upon Jhanas. They are needed for Arahanthood.
Also, can train to be vegan to increase compassion. Can youtube slaughterhouse videos.
Yin Ling
*comment based on Buddhism as the person I’m commenting to has a Buddhist Background but awakening is universal*
no lah not looking down on jhanas. I talked about how I put in great effort to try to enter.
But
one have to really ask sincerely, why is jhana needed on the path? What
did the Buddha say about concentration on the path, why does it brings
one to? 
Why did the Buddha left the two ascetics? What is he not happy about? 
Eventually at the end of the day, we must ask ourselves honestly,
Am I seeing reality?
Because the only way out of suffering is seeing reality clearly. So am I seeing that ? If not, why?
Ng Xin Zhao
When
there is no right concentration, for one deficient in right
concentration, the knowledge and vision of things as they really are
lacks its proximate cause.
4 types of samadhi: https://suttacentral.net/an4.41/en/thanissaro...
Definition of right concentration: https://suttacentral.net/sn45.8/en/bodhi?reference=none...
Buddha went back to the first Jhana and affirms it as the way to nibbana.
He
also later on found a way to attain to Nibbana even via the formless
attainments, goes through them, to the cessation of perception and
feelings.
Yin Ling
What is concentration for? 
Ng Xin Zhao
Yin Ling the knowledge and vision of things as they really are
Ng Xin Zhao
Yin Ling
“And what is the development of concentration that, when developed
& pursued, leads to the attainment of knowledge & vision? There
is the case where a monk attends to the perception of light and is
resolved on the perception of daytime [at any…
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Yin Ling
Ng Xin Zhao what’s the attainment of knowledge ?
What knowledge and vision is Buddha talking about specifically ?
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Yin Ling
Yepppp.
You got it.
Angelo and I was talking about this in the last few mins 
Right concentration is what could allow INSIGHT or REALIZATION to arise.
A raft. Even insight is a raft .
Eventually at the end of the day, all 84000 roads in Buddhism should bring one to realisation , insight of how reality is.
Bc when one see clearly how things really are. Which is suchness. Suffering ends.
The Buddha just wanted to end our suffering.
Ng Xin Zhao
Yin Ling
unless you're an non returner already, which from your original post
you admit not to be yet, there's still room for improvement in
immersion.
See AN 3 87 above.
Take another case of a mendicant who has fulfilled their ethics and immersion, but has limited wisdom. (Non returner)
AN 11.2 above makes it clear to see that it's continuously filling up of the previous factors which fills up the later factors.
Edit sorry, it's AN 10.2 here
Thus,
bhikkhus, one stage flows into the next stage, one stage fills up the
next stage, for going from the near shore to the far shore.”
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Yin Ling
Hmmm
I’m not interested in “attainments” anymore. No one can be totally
sure. I definitely can’t. If others can, I leave them to be. I also
don’t engage in such discussion, imo for me it is futile.
My priority is how firm I can hold wisdom of anatta and emptiness throughout my life, through samsara.
So that’d be my focus for the near future.
Ng Xin Zhao
Yin Ling
I understand the difficulty to try to use conventional speech for you
now. Sutta does mostly use this. Don't need to be attached to the labels
of attainments, it's a mere designation for ease of communication.
So what you're saying is still that you're aiming for arahanthood who can see emptiness all the time.
>
And how does a noble disciple live diligently? Firstly, a noble
disciple has experiential confidence in the Buddha … But they’re not
content with that confidence, and make a further effort for solitude by
day and retreat by night. When they live diligently, joy springs up.
Being joyful, rapture springs up. When the mind is full of rapture, the
body becomes tranquil. When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss. And
when blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi. When the mind is
immersed in samādhi, principles become clear. Because principles have
become clear, they’re reckoned to live diligently.
How to achieve your aim is clearly spelt out by the Buddha to be keep on practising in samadhi (jhana).
Yin Ling
Ng Xin Zhao this is not describing the samadhi of deep concentration .
This is awakening. Insight samadhi.
The mind in naturally samadhi and vipassana in awakening.
Not one second we are away from samadhi.
You will slowly find out 
Ng Xin Zhao
Yin Ling Thanks. Sorry for giving advice out of my depth. Hope it's not annoying.
If
your interpretation is correct, that not one second we are away from
samadhi, then why in the sutta there's the possibility the mind not
immersed in samadhi? Note here that the noble disciple is referring to
the Stream winner and above (and below arahant) due to the experiential
confidence in the Buddha phrasing.
“And
how does a noble disciple live negligently? Firstly, a noble disciple
has experiential confidence in the Buddha … They’re content with that
confidence, and don’t make a further effort for solitude by day or
retreat by night. When they live negligently, there’s no joy. When
there’s no joy, there’s no rapture. When there’s no rapture, there’s no
tranquility. When there’s no tranquility, there’s suffering. When one is
suffering, the mind does not become immersed in samādhi. When the mind
is not immersed in samādhi, principles do not become clear. Because
principles have not become clear, they’re reckoned to live negligently.
Furthermore,
a noble disciple has experiential confidence in the teaching … the
Saṅgha … And they have the ethical conduct loved by the noble ones …
leading to immersion. They’re content with that ethical conduct loved by
the noble ones, and don’t make a further effort for solitude by day or
retreat by night. When they live negligently, there’s no joy. When
there’s no joy, there’s no rapture. When there’s no rapture, there’s no
tranquility. When there’s no tranquility, there’s suffering. When one is
suffering, the mind does not become immersed in samādhi. When the mind
is not immersed in samādhi, principles do not become clear. Because
principles have not become clear, they’re reckoned to live negligently.
That’s how a noble disciple lives negligently.
And
how does a noble disciple live diligently? Firstly, a noble disciple
has experiential confidence in the Buddha … But they’re not content with
that confidence, and make a further effort for solitude by day and
retreat by night. When they live diligently, joy springs up. Being
joyful, rapture springs up. When the mind is full of rapture, the body
becomes tranquil. When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss. And when
blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi. When the mind is
immersed in samādhi, principles become clear. Because principles have
become clear, they’re reckoned to live diligently.
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Yin Ling
Ng Xin Zhao I’m not an academician so I cannot quote references for insight samadhi.
But post anatta, samadhi and vipassana is natural. It is experential. And very blissful. the samadhi bliss is no less than jhana. I read this passage and it seems to describe my experience.
the samadhi bliss is no less than jhana. I read this passage and it seems to describe my experience. Need ask Soh Wei Yu for reference. He is more knowledgeable when it comes to references.
Soh do you know anything about samadhi post awakening? The natural samadhi of mind.
Yin Ling
Ng Xin Zhao Angelo’s reply about jhana. He is spot on
Ng Xin Zhao
Yin Ling Buddha goes into jhanas in the DN 16, before he died.
Sariputta abides in jhanas even as an arahant, but no thought of "I am entering Jhana."
So realizing no self doesn't close off the ability to enter jhanas.
Yin Ling
Ng Xin Zhao nope it doesn’t.
But … jhana is to bring one to insight.
When the insight arise already.
One can use jhana to develop powers.
Happiness.
But it’s really quite irrelevant.
It’s like retrogress.
It’s like the Buddha leaving the 2 ascetics because he already can do jhanas but it’s not complete.
When he awakened he awaken to anatta and emptiness. DO.
You see?
But of course concentration must be trained. Not until altered consciousness jhana but just bring the 7 factors to full power.
That’s how I was taught about the whole path.
All my words are experential, Means I only say it if I really experience it.
Not theory. Theory is useless is one cannot practise and actually actualise it.
Anyways I thjnk we need to stop this discussion as it is quite idle lol.
If
you already have the insight, you already have the wisdom eye. One of
the highest treasure on the path. Treasure it. If not, work hard at it,
open the wisdom eye.
The rest are just distractions.
Ng Xin Zhao
Yin Ling 7 factors of enlightenment include samadhi, full power wouldn't it include the deep Jhanas?
Found the sutta here: https://suttacentral.net/sn28.1/en/sujato?layout=plain... …
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Malcolm: "The dhyāna being discussed is not the dhyāna discussed in Dzogchen
teachings. The latter does not depend on mental factors, unlike the
former. So the answer is a solid no. In fact, it is the opposite. Rig pa
(knowledge of one's own state) brings about natural concentration (rang bzhin bsam gtan), which is unlike the dhyānas spoken of in the lower yānas. Longchenpa writes about this extensively."
Soh Wei Yu
John Tan, 2006:
Reply part 1:
Is
Absorption not aware of other things? This is difficult to say.
Although many articles and books about mindfulness seem to suggest that
it is so, this is not necessarily true when we progress towards the more
subtle experience. Clarity can come a time where it is so clear that it
is an absorption, it is a sort of Insight-Absorption but It is
different from absorption derived from concentration. It is clarity
absorption where it touches the heart of 'things', that is itself. For
example being taste itself, it is absorbed yet completely clear. This
is truly blissful and beyond description. I have not come across any
book touching this yet and I hope Toni's new book can write something
about it.
Reply part 2:
The
AMness can be said to be a form of absorption where the object of
concentration is the Self. It can be a question "Who am I" that leads
one to the experience of the subject-object becoming one. Till a point
the practitioner simply experiences a pure sense of existence. However
such mode of experience has no understanding of its luminous clarity and
its nature as anatta. The key point about mindful awareness is there
is no keeping of the mind on anything and by not resting on anything, it
fuses into everything; therefore it cannot be concentrated; rather it
is to relax into nothingness empty of self, empty of any artificial
doing so that the natural luminosity can take its own course. There is
no focusing, there is only allowing the mirror bright clarity to shine
with it natural radiance. In essence there is no one there, only the
phenomenon arising and ceasing telling their stories.
Malcolm: "In dzogchen teachings one is using many different methods to discover natural concentration.
Discovering shamatha is relatively simple when you use the approaches
taught in the dzogchen tantras, rather than relying on the gradual
method introduced by Kamalshila.
Rigpa is knowledge of your own state, when you have it, you never lose it, even if you are distracted.
One point where I really disagree with Wallace is his idea that trekcho is Dzogchen shamatha. I really dispute this notion."
Rigpa is knowledge of your own state, when you have it, you never lose it, even if you are distracted.
One point where I really disagree with Wallace is his idea that trekcho is Dzogchen shamatha. I really dispute this notion."
Yin Ling
Soh Wei Yu you are scarily resourceful 
thank you very much.
thank you very much. This fits my experience. The reply 1 in johns message is v relatable.
I wonder what is yours?
The experience of being completely intimate with all phenomenas without a self is very absorbed and very blissful.
Till
I don’t see the point of jhana. I used to access it, the lighter
version of jhanas, but now that I have anatta, the slight split in jhana
feels awfully disturbing
But I still prwtise concentration though. Just not moving on the jhanic arc. Lazy .
.Yin Ling
Awakening requires the 7 factors to mature. Once all mature awakening happens.
Post awakening the 7 factors are there however strength of it is dependent on ppl
.
Personally my first 3 factors are powerful, overpowering even during
first awakening. Bliss like crazy, energy so much until cannot sleep.
Now I’m trying to bring tranquility and concentration up. To even out.
So that this awakening is balanced.
It’s
not something before/ after awakening though, I have been trained to
watch these factors closely ever since I started this journey
Soh Wei Yu
Same.
Actually there is still a role in jhana but i dont really focus on them nowadays.
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Yin Ling
Soh Wei Yu thanks
William Lim
"Why am I needed?"
Yin Ling
William Lim that was truly what I felt
