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If there is a single "minuest thing",
Appearances would be impossible.
If there is not even a single "minuest thing",
Then how is attachment possible?
Since appearances unfailingly appear,
Why are there still so many attachments?
53 Comments
Yin Ling
Black magic spell lol
Yin Ling
William Lim lol it actually is true lol
Mr./Ms. SK
Can I say that attachment happens because of "ignoring" the truth of Impermanence and non arising of an independent entity?
Because
with the conviction in impermanance, all appearances eventually change,
so with this understanding attachment can't happen.
And with understanding of non arising, nothing is arising in the first place to attach to.
So by just not ignoring the truth of Impermanence and non arising all the time, attachment won't happen.
John Tan
Mr./Ms. SK non-arisen meaning?
What orignates dependently, do not originate (non-arisen).
Is it referring to independent existence or conventional existence?
Mr./Ms. SK
John Tan I don't know. Unfortunately my dharma vocabulary is very limited. So I don't know the difference between the two.
By
contemplating on basic understanding of DO, Impermanence and non
arising, it seems to me that, other than seeing impermanance and non
arising, whatever understanding there can be is conceptual
proliferation. Because this proliferation again is seen as impermanant
and empty appearance.
John Tan
Mr./Ms. SK
yes, the jargons can be very confusing in fact and many times different
schools used it differently and different teachers in the same school
also differ. 

Anurag Jain
Because appearances are perceived as things in ignorance, giving rise to samsara
Anurag Jain
But I have a question too.
Is not attachment too an appearance?
John Tan
Anurag Jain yes deluded appearance.
Anurag Jain
John Tan are not deluded appearances also empty?
John Tan
Anurag Jain yes it is. Is pure appearances empty?
Anurag Jain
John Tan pure appearances are also empty 

Anurag Jain
John Tan though I have given some liberty to you to conventionally classify appearances as pure and impure 

John Tan
Anurag Jain then u r having different view from non-gelug as well as gelug. Although both don't agree either. 

Anurag Jain
John Tan my view, to whichever school it belongs, is that samsara and nirvana are both appearances.
And whichever school does not agree to this view is an "inferior" one 

John Tan
Anurag Jain well for this point, both seems to agree. 

Anurag Jain
John Tan then I was saying the same. Impure appearance for me is samsara, pure appearance for me is Nirvana.
John Tan
Anurag Jain now u sounded like non-gelug.
Anurag Jain
John Tan ok. So my view is Non-Gelug.
Anurag Jain
John Tan this being the case, I would consider the Non-Gelug view as "higher" or purer appearance 

John Tan
Anurag Jain lol ok.
Ushnisha Ng
Bec of our wrong view 

John Tan
Ushnisha Ng ha...right view being?
Ushnisha Ng
John Tan pls enlighten me!
John Tan
Ushnisha Ng dharma seals.
Mr./Ms. JJ
Isn't attachment happening because we are so hopelessly deluded? 

John Tan
Mr./Ms. JJ yes and very true.
William Lim
Can explain what does "non-arising" or "non-arisen" mean?
John Tan
William Lim can't coz I dunno
.

John Tan
Go watch 凡人修仙传. Nice
and what do u think is the production cost for 1 min of animation for that sort of quality.

William Lim
The graphics quite good sia. Story looks interesting too. Sim Pern Chong, I think you may like this animation.
John Tan
William Lim u have to watch till the end then u see the power.
Sim Pern Chong
William Lim Ok, I go watch. Thanks.
John Tan
Sim Pern Chong yes go watch. 

Jayson Byrne
If there is a single "minuest thing",
Appearances would be impossible. (There isn't a single minutest thing)
If there is not even a single "minuest thing",
Then how is attachment possible? (It is only an appearance)
Since appearances unfailingly appear,
Why are there still so many attachments? (Attachments are an appearance)
Tony Taylor
Hello
sir. I’m trying to deep dive into dependent origination to try to break
apart attachment to thoughts and emotions as well as contemplating your
stanzas and the dividing line contemplation. Do you have a suggestion
for a book, audio or video that explains DO the best. I’ve watched
several videos on it and people often comment that isn’t a good
explanation of DO. I trust your advice so was wondering if you could
comment on it
John Tan
Tony Taylor
frankly I m really not qualified to give any advices. But if u ask me,
imo it is gelugpa's teaching that place the most emphasis on dependent
origination. It may take some time to understand. Just be patience.
The
most critical insight imo is to understand deeply y "things" r
names/designations only. Once there is deep insight into this, then
causes/conditions/things and their dependencies between them become
dependent designations since "things" r just names.
Then
the idea of liberations (emotions, thoughts) as liberating one's mind
from reified constructs/conceptualities becomes very meaningful.
However reading some of the books explanations can b a nightmare.
Tony Taylor
John Tan Ok thank you for your time and reply. I will look into it.
André A. Pais
Have you been reading me or what? 




John Tan
Geovani
Geo , if mind rest on even a single minutest "something", whichever
direction u move is samsara. Thinking or not thinking are both karma.
If all fixations and constructs are abolished, there is no hindrance or
contrivance in every encounter. There is not a "here" or a "now", there
is not even a locality. Such a mind is free in all directions.
Poetically expressed.
André A. Pais
How is not thinking karma?
John Tan
André A. Pais
because even "not thinking" may not eliminate the "minuest something"
(depending on what conceptualities mean) and whether "not thinking" is
imbued with prajna as it maybe just a suspension of thoughts.
Therefore
imo freedom from self-nature and freedom from all elaborations
ultimately meet if we follow their respective view and praxis.
Geovani Geo
André,
if "not thinking" involves any volition then its karma, dependent
co-arising. That does not mean that "not thinking" may not happen.
Arthur Deller
André A. Pais yes. I have.
Arthur Deller
John Tan. Thank you for breaking and fixing the unbroken and unfixable internet simultaneously and separately together. 

Appearances
seemingly appear to be an minutest thing, they appear as imagined
separate objects of their own and never actually anything at all, yet
always indivisibly everything.
So
even the attachment to formed-formlessness is just imaginative
absolutism of disparate separation from indivisible wholeness.
Again, both being neither and the same.
Attachment
is real and unreal, the same and different, while being nothing and
everything. Being nothing less and nothing more than the same as the
nonexistent minutest thing.
Have a good day.
John Tan
Arthur Deller have a good day! long time no see, still enjoying ur tour? Missed those beautiful sceneries pictures.
Arthur Deller
John Tan The current spot. Living in the woods.
Good to see you as well.
Mr./Ms. CW
Why
are there still so many attachments? Because even those who supposedly
see this clearly still cling to ideas and act upon them as if they have
not. Are there logical/practical conclusions about behavior that come
from right view and cause a certain trajectory? Would seeing this drive a
lack of all but the most basic action in line with nature? Would a
Buddha be apparent?