Dieter Vollmuth on Anatta, Part 2

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Dieter Vollmuth

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I found the key this morning: The problem was that the observer was held on. Suddenly it was seen that "the observer" is only the objectification of observe-ing. And the "I" only the objectification of the I-ing. When this was seen, these ...-ings all came to the foreground and suddenly there was only these ...-ings without exception.

This had happened many times in half sleep before, but I couldn't find out what made the difference and prevented it from being experienced even when fully awake. The key is to simply experience EVERYTHING as a seamless event-ing - including I-AM-ing, I-ing, feel-ing, see-ing, hear-ing and observe-ing. And then all experience-ing is vivid, direct and always fresh.

That is no new state it was so the whole time.

• Winston Tg Verbs, not nouns?

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    Dieter Vollmuth yes - self-knowing verb-ing

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  Dieter Vollmuth For all software engineers: If you have a data-object, mostly there are also functions associated and part of the object. For example, Part of a Floating-Point-Object is a function ".Int" wich returns the integer-part of the Floating-Value (before the point).
  
  Think in exactly this way about the know-ing, experience-ing, see-ing, hear-ing, feel-ing, observe-ing, I-AM-ing, I-ing ...- ing. These are simply data-objects with a included function "know-ing". And this function is the awareness.
  
  So, there is not a "subject" that sees "objects" - there are only objects wich see itself, using the associated and included function "know-ing" = "awareness".
  
  All the rest is simply believing: "If there are objects experienced, there MUST be also an experiencer", which is false.

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  [7:20 PM, 3/15/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Seems like he [Dieter] is clear about anatta now

  [7:21 PM, 3/15/2020] John Tan: Yes seems so.  When u have that insight, it has to b an experiential insight...such insight cannot be theoretical as experiences turned foreground...in this breakthrough.  Awareness disappears as a mental constructs into the vividness of sounds, colors, smells, thoughts...etc.  still one needs to look deeply into mmk (Soh: The Mūlamadhyamakakārikā (Sanskrit) or Fundamental Verses on the Middle Way, is a foundational text of the Madhyamaka school of Mahayana philosophy, composed by Nagarjuna in approximately the second-third century CE.) to see how to deconstruct mental constructs and conventions of cause, effect, arising, existence, non-existence ...etc.  In order to understand these ongoing vivid appearances free from the conventional extremes...not just non-conceptuality.