28/4/13 9:56:47 PM: John Tan: I change the para ... U rephase and make it more humble and sincere

28/4/13 9:57:19 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Ok

28/4/13 10:01:51 PM: John Tan: Not ur dreams arose out of my intention

28/4/13 10:03:07 PM: John Tan: Ur dreams arose several times that coincide with the messages that I hope u can get especially when u r in army.

28/4/13 10:04:15 PM: John Tan: U see it as more of a synchronicity than coincidental.

28/4/13 10:04:58 PM: John Tan: U r saying it as a causal effect arose from my intention

28/4/13 10:06:21 PM: John Tan: I did pray and meditate when u r in army regarding those stuff u dreamt but I m not sure y u dreamt of it...though I hope u can practice these in dreams

28/4/13 10:07:01 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Oic..

28/4/13 10:07:27 PM: John Tan: So don't mystify it as if I hv special power ... Lol

28/4/13 10:07:35 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Hahaha

28/4/13 10:07:50 PM: John Tan: It maybe u picking up my thoughts

28/4/13 10:08:00 PM: John Tan: Change it

28/4/13 10:08:05 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Lol ok

28/4/13 10:11:13 PM: John Tan: Better...lol

28/4/13 10:11:23 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Haha

28/4/13 10:12:38 PM: Soh Wei Yu: By the way u only commented the part on absolute right

28/4/13 10:12:47 PM: John Tan: Very soon u will make me a cult leader

28/4/13 10:13:12 PM: John Tan: Yes ... It is just to point out

28/4/13 10:13:20 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Lol..

28/4/13 10:13:35 PM: John Tan: To look into it replacing a dry pure presence

28/4/13 10:13:49 PM: John Tan: But put in a nice way

28/4/13 10:14:44 PM: John Tan: Dogen is not only talking about pure awareness, not understanding pure awareness as dry Pure Presence

28/4/13 10:23:54 PM: Soh Wei Yu: By the way but not my view

28/4/13 10:24:01 PM: Soh Wei Yu: I copy that too?

28/4/13 10:24:12 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Ur bracket

28/4/13 10:24:28 PM: John Tan: Yeah but write it properly

28/4/13 10:25:11 PM: John Tan: Means the deconstruction of absolute and relative r ur experiences but not ur view n

ow ...

28/4/13 10:29:24 PM: Soh Wei Yu: What u mean To look into it replacing a dry pure presence

28/4/13 10:36:19 PM: John Tan: Nvm no need to add and add unless u understand what I mean

28/4/13 10:36:42 PM: John Tan: Otherwise there will b no ending

28/4/13 10:37:06 PM: Soh Wei Yu: U mean not pointing to awareness in and of itself ?

28/4/13 10:37:27 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Btw u said he understood one activity, does he understand anatta?

28/4/13 10:37:29 PM: John Tan: This issue is not a single issue...as I said is a total paradigm shift and how could it b capture in these words

28/4/13 10:37:53 PM: John Tan: How I know he understands or not

28/4/13 10:37:55 PM: John Tan: Lol

28/4/13 10:38:03 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Lol

28/4/13 10:38:45 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Dry pure presence is like substantial nondual isn't it

28/4/13 10:38:55 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Dogen is talking about the manifold

28/4/13 10:48:48 PM: Soh Wei Yu: By the way

28/4/13 10:49:57 PM: Soh Wei Yu: "Another aspect of Dogen’s unique treatment of koans was his use of the Five Ranks of Master Dongshan (J. Tozan) to illuminate different perspectives available within a koan. The Five Ranks—first delineated by Dongshan and elaborated on by his successor Caoshan (J. Sozan)—are a formulation of the coming together of dualities. The first rank is “the relative within the absolute.” This is emptiness: no eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, or mind. The second rank is the realization of that emptiness, and is referred to as “the absolute within the relative”—the realm in which the enlightenment experience, or “kensho,” occurs. Yet absolute and relative are still dualistic. The third rank is “coming from within the absolute.” No longer in the abstract, the whole universe becomes your very life itself and, inevitably, compassion arises. Dongshan’s fourth rank is “arriving at mutual integration,” the coming from both absolute and relative. At this stage, the absolute and relative are integrated, but they’re still two things. In the fifth rank, “unity attained,” there is no more duality. There is just one thing—neither absolute nor relative, up nor down, profane nor holy, good nor bad, male nor female.