[9:09 PM, 8/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Just saw this in chnn book [Crystal and the Way of Light]:
we
could even go so far as to say that, essentially, in Dzogchen, the Base
is the primordial state, the Path is the primordial state, and the
Fruit is the primordial state—and that there is thus a perfect
continuity between them in that they all refer to the same thing: the
true condition of the individual and the universe.
[11:34 PM, 8/4/2020] John Tan: Yes.
[11:37 PM, 8/4/2020] John Tan: Practice as if you r buddha but u r not yet Buddha.
[11:38 PM, 8/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[11:41 PM, 8/4/2020] John Tan: I think U pasted to me right? Something like result is taken as the basis.
[11:42 PM, 8/4/2020] John Tan: So not from the view that life is impermanent, no-self and suffering.
[12:14 AM, 8/5/2020] Soh Wei Yu: What do u mean
[12:14
AM, 8/5/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Oh taking buddha nature rather than
impermanence no self suffering as basis and path of practicing?
[12:15 AM, 8/5/2020] John Tan: Yes
[12:34 AM, 8/5/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Do you mean these excerpts by Malcolm:
There
are two ways be free of grasping: regarding all things as impure and
rejecting them as such (Hinayāna and common Mahāyāna), and regarding all
things as pure and accepting them as such. The latter method more
rapid, but requires special methods, so that it is not merely an
intellectual posture.
...
In sūtra there is no antidotal
method of conceiving the appearance of things as pure which are
typically conceived by ordinary sentient being as impure. Emptiness, in
sutra, is provided as cure for this, in terms of nature, but not in
terms of appearance. Vajrayāna address both nature and appearance; sūtra
only addresses nature, not appearance.
...
In common
Mahāyāna, like Hinayāna schools, relatively speaking, phenomena, other
than path dharmas, are still compounded, suffering, and not-self, and
hence impure. Their ultimate nature, emptiness, is pure.
In
uncommon Mahāyāna Secret Mantra, phenomena are rendered pure through
special methods which change our attitude towards phenomena.
[12:34 AM, 8/5/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Ok
[12:35 AM, 8/5/2020] John Tan: Yeah