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https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/psfjao/i_accidentally_joined_a_cult_called_yiguandao/
Posted byu/willbassyeah
7 hours ago
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I accidentally joined a cult called YIGUANDAO
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So last weekend i went to pray to the Guanyinma temple at waterloo. Then there is these 2 person outside the temple saying they are doing a prayer and ask me whether i want to join the prayer. Being the gullible dumbass that i am, i say okay and they brought me to a HDB temple just across the Guanyin temple.
The place look super eerie, it has like three statues of buddha. Then one of the guy explain to me about their "buddhism" and ask me whether i am okay with donating $10. I normally donate to temple so i thought its fine, pass him $20. Then he asked me to do the prayer. The prayer was fucking eerie, asked me to stare at a candle and ask me to repeat in chinese. My chinese sucks so i have no idea what are they saying. After the prayer end, he starts telling me a lot of things that make me realise is not a fucking temple.
He starts telling me what i went through is a baptisation, which i fucking do not agree upon. He told me i was baptised by fire and the "Christian" has outdated in terms of their baptisation. He starts telling me the founder was a reincarnated Buddha. Told me about three treasures which apparently allow me to go into the heaven & how my name is no longer inside the reincarnation "book". He starts quoting bible quote how heaven is below the mountain and thus i need to point below my nose.
After the whole experience, i google what the heck just happened to me and it leads me to find out i just joined a fucking Buddhist cult called YIGUANDAO. The best way to describe Yiguandao is basically the bastardisation of buddhism a bit similar to Mormon. Founder claimed to be reincarnation etc,etc.
Also i found out apparently the prayer i did is a swear that i would not tell anyone about what happened if not my family get strucked by lightning. They pass me a super secret chant that i am not supposed to tell anybody. So i will tell you all what the chant is " wu tai fuo mi le". Because i dont understand chinese, i dont even know that i am actually swearing. I read on another forum about the cult here
TLDR: Joined a cult, writting this post so that you can warn your family who visited the Guanyin temple at waterloo to be careful of anyone outside of the temple approaching you so that they wont get scammed of their $20.
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xabir
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It is not Buddhism, has no valid lineage from Buddhism and is not recognised by any orthodox Buddhist organisation.
It is a syncretic cult that attempts to integrate various religions into a new age soup with many cult like characteristics.
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JayFSB
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Lacking a central canon text and /or religious authority, no one can claim orthodoxy to Buddhism unless you refer to a particular school. That said, its an obvious secret cult much like Scientology except its much more secretive.
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xabir
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In a sense, yes, although to be more precise, it is not that they have no 'canons' but each of the three traditions do not agree on which canon is authoritative.
There are three main schools of Buddhism which has different sub-sects. The three main schools are Theravada (Thai, Sri Lanka, Burmese), Mahayana (e.g. Chinese Pure Land and Ch'an Buddhism or Japanese Zen Buddhism) and Vajrayana (Tibetan Buddhism, Japanese Shingon).
Theravada takes the Pali canon as authoritative and considers itself the earliest, most orthodox school of Buddhism closest to the original teachings of Buddha, and considers other traditions to be offshoots and later developments. Mahayana accepts the Pali canon as authoritative (the near-equivalent of Pali canon in the Mahayana canon would be the Agamas), but additionally accepts the Mahayana canon of sutras as authoritative as well. Vajrayana accepts Pali canon and Mahayana canon + additionally, the tantras as authoritative. Personally I accept all traditions as valid, as I accept the dictum of Vasubandhu that anything well-spoken could be considered to be the word of the Buddha, regardless of the historical development of Theravada [or the other 18 early schools] to Mahayana to Vajrayana over hundreds or thousands of years.
But those 'Maitreya texts' composed by Yi Kuan Dao are completely absent from any of the canons above. They are composed in the 20th century by the creators of a new religious syncretic movement, and hence cannot be recognised as 'orthodox' under any Buddhist traditions. Their teachings also do not align themselves with the core teachings of Buddhism in too many ways.
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4evaronin
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Off-hand, are you able to cite any examples how it deviates from core Buddhism? Curious.
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xabir
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If you look at Yi Kuan Dao's belief, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiguandao#Beliefs
The belief in Infinite Mother is more akin to the belief in an ultimate formless Source, like Brahman or Tao.
In Buddhism, the central teaching is more on dependent origination (phenomena arise due to causes and conditions), anatman (no unchanging/substantial/independent self) and emptiness, the Buddhists do not believe in an ultimate source and origin.
Also all the myths they teach (as elaborated in the Wikipedia page) are composed by the creators of the new religion, nothing to do with Buddhism. By myths I mean things like "Maitreya is one of the three enlightened beings sent by the Mother herself to bring salvation.", their cosmology such as "Yiguandao conceives the cosmos as tripartite, consisting of litian (the right heaven), qitian (the spiritual heaven) and xiangtian (the material plane)." also differs from Buddhism, and we do not believe things like getting initiated = assured will go to heaven. Heaven is also not the goal of Buddhists, rather Nirvana or a state of awakening is.
Besides borrowing some Buddhist names like Guan Yin, and other moral teachings common to all religions, there is not a lot in common.
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xabir
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Also from personal anecdote, personally I have gone through these phases of awakening in my own spiritual practice as described by my mentor: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
Yi Kuan Dao leads to the I AM realization, but not to the further realisations like anatman (no unchanging self/Self/soul), dependent origination and emptiness which are the core realizations of Buddhism.
From Yi Kuan Dao website:
"This is an imperfect translation of a well-known saying in I-Kuan Tao, which literally says "borrow the unreal to cultivate the real." What it actually means is that we make use of the material world to cultivate the soul.
From Buddhist as well as Tao teachings, we understand that the material world is ultimately illusory, and therefore unreal. The soul, unlike the transience of the material world, is eternal, and therefore real. "
"I Kuan Tao differs from a religion in that the Tao is the root of all holy teachings while religions are branches of the tree that grew from the root. Toa is our conscience, true nature, and real self. Receiving the Tao is not accepting a new belief or religion but realization of our true self as we engage in the worship of God through our religions. With this relisation of our true self, we become stronger in our love for God."
p.s. also, my mentor has talked with the Yi Kuan Dao teachers and visited teachers of all kinds of religions and sects and cults when much younger and have shared his encounters with me before.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/psfjao/i_accidentally_joined_a_cult_called_yiguandao/
Posted byu/willbassyeah
7 hours ago
Helpful4Wholesome3Silver2Hugz5
I accidentally joined a cult called YIGUANDAO
Serious Discussion
So last weekend i went to pray to the Guanyinma temple at waterloo. Then there is these 2 person outside the temple saying they are doing a prayer and ask me whether i want to join the prayer. Being the gullible dumbass that i am, i say okay and they brought me to a HDB temple just across the Guanyin temple.
The place look super eerie, it has like three statues of buddha. Then one of the guy explain to me about their "buddhism" and ask me whether i am okay with donating $10. I normally donate to temple so i thought its fine, pass him $20. Then he asked me to do the prayer. The prayer was fucking eerie, asked me to stare at a candle and ask me to repeat in chinese. My chinese sucks so i have no idea what are they saying. After the prayer end, he starts telling me a lot of things that make me realise is not a fucking temple.
He starts telling me what i went through is a baptisation, which i fucking do not agree upon. He told me i was baptised by fire and the "Christian" has outdated in terms of their baptisation. He starts telling me the founder was a reincarnated Buddha. Told me about three treasures which apparently allow me to go into the heaven & how my name is no longer inside the reincarnation "book". He starts quoting bible quote how heaven is below the mountain and thus i need to point below my nose.
After the whole experience, i google what the heck just happened to me and it leads me to find out i just joined a fucking Buddhist cult called YIGUANDAO. The best way to describe Yiguandao is basically the bastardisation of buddhism a bit similar to Mormon. Founder claimed to be reincarnation etc,etc.
Also i found out apparently the prayer i did is a swear that i would not tell anyone about what happened if not my family get strucked by lightning. They pass me a super secret chant that i am not supposed to tell anybody. So i will tell you all what the chant is " wu tai fuo mi le". Because i dont understand chinese, i dont even know that i am actually swearing. I read on another forum about the cult here
TLDR: Joined a cult, writting this post so that you can warn your family who visited the Guanyin temple at waterloo to be careful of anyone outside of the temple approaching you so that they wont get scammed of their $20.
208 comments
97% Upvoted
Comment as xabir
level 1
xabir
·
6h
It is not Buddhism, has no valid lineage from Buddhism and is not recognised by any orthodox Buddhist organisation.
It is a syncretic cult that attempts to integrate various religions into a new age soup with many cult like characteristics.
47
User avatar
level 2
JayFSB
·
3h
Lacking a central canon text and /or religious authority, no one can claim orthodoxy to Buddhism unless you refer to a particular school. That said, its an obvious secret cult much like Scientology except its much more secretive.
5
level 3
xabir
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3h
· edited 3h
In a sense, yes, although to be more precise, it is not that they have no 'canons' but each of the three traditions do not agree on which canon is authoritative.
There are three main schools of Buddhism which has different sub-sects. The three main schools are Theravada (Thai, Sri Lanka, Burmese), Mahayana (e.g. Chinese Pure Land and Ch'an Buddhism or Japanese Zen Buddhism) and Vajrayana (Tibetan Buddhism, Japanese Shingon).
Theravada takes the Pali canon as authoritative and considers itself the earliest, most orthodox school of Buddhism closest to the original teachings of Buddha, and considers other traditions to be offshoots and later developments. Mahayana accepts the Pali canon as authoritative (the near-equivalent of Pali canon in the Mahayana canon would be the Agamas), but additionally accepts the Mahayana canon of sutras as authoritative as well. Vajrayana accepts Pali canon and Mahayana canon + additionally, the tantras as authoritative. Personally I accept all traditions as valid, as I accept the dictum of Vasubandhu that anything well-spoken could be considered to be the word of the Buddha, regardless of the historical development of Theravada [or the other 18 early schools] to Mahayana to Vajrayana over hundreds or thousands of years.
But those 'Maitreya texts' composed by Yi Kuan Dao are completely absent from any of the canons above. They are composed in the 20th century by the creators of a new religious syncretic movement, and hence cannot be recognised as 'orthodox' under any Buddhist traditions. Their teachings also do not align themselves with the core teachings of Buddhism in too many ways.
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User avatar
level 4
4evaronin
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2h
Off-hand, are you able to cite any examples how it deviates from core Buddhism? Curious.
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xabir
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48m
· edited 40m
If you look at Yi Kuan Dao's belief, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiguandao#Beliefs
The belief in Infinite Mother is more akin to the belief in an ultimate formless Source, like Brahman or Tao.
In Buddhism, the central teaching is more on dependent origination (phenomena arise due to causes and conditions), anatman (no unchanging/substantial/independent self) and emptiness, the Buddhists do not believe in an ultimate source and origin.
Also all the myths they teach (as elaborated in the Wikipedia page) are composed by the creators of the new religion, nothing to do with Buddhism. By myths I mean things like "Maitreya is one of the three enlightened beings sent by the Mother herself to bring salvation.", their cosmology such as "Yiguandao conceives the cosmos as tripartite, consisting of litian (the right heaven), qitian (the spiritual heaven) and xiangtian (the material plane)." also differs from Buddhism, and we do not believe things like getting initiated = assured will go to heaven. Heaven is also not the goal of Buddhists, rather Nirvana or a state of awakening is.
Besides borrowing some Buddhist names like Guan Yin, and other moral teachings common to all religions, there is not a lot in common.
1
level 5
xabir
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44m
· edited 35m
Also from personal anecdote, personally I have gone through these phases of awakening in my own spiritual practice as described by my mentor: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
Yi Kuan Dao leads to the I AM realization, but not to the further realisations like anatman (no unchanging self/Self/soul), dependent origination and emptiness which are the core realizations of Buddhism.
From Yi Kuan Dao website:
"This is an imperfect translation of a well-known saying in I-Kuan Tao, which literally says "borrow the unreal to cultivate the real." What it actually means is that we make use of the material world to cultivate the soul.
From Buddhist as well as Tao teachings, we understand that the material world is ultimately illusory, and therefore unreal. The soul, unlike the transience of the material world, is eternal, and therefore real. "
"I Kuan Tao differs from a religion in that the Tao is the root of all holy teachings while religions are branches of the tree that grew from the root. Toa is our conscience, true nature, and real self. Receiving the Tao is not accepting a new belief or religion but realization of our true self as we engage in the worship of God through our religions. With this relisation of our true self, we become stronger in our love for God."
p.s. also, my mentor has talked with the Yi Kuan Dao teachers and visited teachers of all kinds of religions and sects and cults when much younger and have shared his encounters with me before.
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