John Tan: https://youtu.be/0D3-TExkwu8
Soh: Is this good?
[9:52 am, 02/01/2022] John Tan: This almaas seems interesting. Going through the phases of insights into total exertion. After 25 mins, he tries to express total exertion...so cute...as if he wanted to squeeze everything out to express out but he couldn't🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
[10:00 am, 02/01/2022] John Tan: Yes it is, quite good. Maybe worth exploring his thoughts and understandings at least he is not restricted to -A of emptiness. Tibetan exploration is too restricted to emptiness free from elaborations except Tsongkhapa but the exploration is probably left to his tantric practices. U will be surprised to know that Tsongkhapa carries the avatamsaka sutra into his every retreat so that clears my suspect that he is into total exertion.
Soh: Oic.. wow
I thought avatamsaka sutra is alien to tibetan buddhism
John Tan: Yes it is recorded in his secret biography and he praised the avatamsaka sutra a lot.
Did you watch this also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&fbclid=IwAR3NnELo5CrDc5792WSCIQrakMOoyjgoS-Di-z-w3vMO7sIXuehQHgg3IHs&v=4hqUcX_D8H8&feature=youtu.be
John Tan: No, this is the first time I look into almaas though I heard of him and his work before. But those ppl quoted him in the past from what I read is more abt non-dual and oneness so I m not very interested.
His recent one or two books are on total exertion and anatta
John Tan: Is it?
[10:08 am, 02/01/2022] John Tan: Which 2?
[10:09 am, 02/01/2022] John Tan: Maybe will be interesting to look into them. Not easy to find a modern spiritual practitioner that explore this.
Soh: These two
[10:10 am, 02/01/2022] John Tan: Written when?
[10:10 am, 02/01/2022] John Tan: Got Kindle?
Soh: 2014 (runaway realization) the alchemy of freedom 2017
He has even more recent books since but i havent looked into it
John Tan: Read his money recent better
Soh: I have his book alchemy of freedom but haven’t read it but skimmed through
Alchemy of freedom definitely about anatta and total exertion
John Tan: Many of his old expressions from what I know r restricted to just non-dual presence that is y I never have any deep impression at all. So probably look at his more recent books.
Soh, 3 weeks ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&fbclid=IwAR3NnELo5CrDc5792WSCIQrakMOoyjgoS-Di-z-w3vMO7sIXuehQHgg3IHs&v=4hqUcX_D8H8&feature=youtu.be
Soh, 3 weeks ago: Ah almaas seems v much into anatta and total exertion since studying dogen years ago.. i remember his earlier works all on i am and one mind
John Tan: This is surprisingly good. Means almaas is quite a serious practitioner.👍 You sent me this YouTube?
Soh: Yeah i sent u three weeks ago
But i havent watched 🤣🤣
John Tan: Go watch. It is good.👍
John Tan: Ic. From Tibetan non-gelug point of view yes. Any form of knowing, in fact any form of apprehension is dualistic and grasping essence in nature. Tsongkhapa tried to moderate this by introducing the concept of "mere existence".
It is not easy to understand Dogen's thought and experience from this perspective as to Dogen enlightenment cannot be understood apart from practice - practice-enlightenment. There is not even a single moment there has been any separation from beginningless time, fully intimate and fully embodied. Further "suchness" cannot also be understood "in-dualistic-relation" also, there anything short of total exertion is not the enlightenment view. Suchness or "seen is just seen" when expressed as total exertion is sort of non-local and holographic, not restricted to a "dualistic" expression. That is y his expressions is so cryptic, more cryptic then mmk.🤣🤣🤣
Soh: did A. H. Almaas talk about -A emptiness?
[2:59 pm, 02/01/2022] John Tan: Yes briefly the various phases of insights and the difference in insights and experiences should not be treated as the same which is good. But strictly speaking freedom from all elaborations into spontaneous presence should also not be tainted from "awareness" as both mind and phenomena are already deconstructed.
[3:03 pm, 02/01/2022] John Tan: Yeah he din call it "total exertion" but "unilocality" a modern term to mean total participation without being obstructed by locality and time. I suspect Malcolm also somehow has this idea also as in one of his zoom sessions I rem he mentioned about in dzogchen "non-duality" maintains "diversities" and is different from the rest including Yogacara's collapsing of subject and object duality.