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I also wanted this translated but too lazy 😂 (referring to http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../hearing-with-whole... )
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  • Yin LingSoh Wei Yu hahaha I scared I translate wrongly. And also lazy la.So many insights here.I think the only English version I have seen explain like that is Steve Hagen. But only one paragraPh. This one so much better.The 举身听 insight also is so good. I downloaded your whole file slowly read 😝1📷
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  • ActiveSoh Wei YuYin LingHong wen liang expression of anatta into total exertion seems clearer than steve hagen but steve hagen is very clear about anatta and many other insights1📷
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  • ActiveSoh Wei YuI mean hong wen liang emphasis on total exertion and expressions seems stronger
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  • Yin LingSoh Wei Yu oic. I have only read his “the grand delusion”. Pretty good from science perspective.Total exertion I don’t know anything yet haha. Maybe after i think I’m stable in 2 fold emptiness then I go into that1📷
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  • ActiveJohn TanYin Ling 举身听 is total exertion. This requires no prior training, it's intuitive and gnosis. That is y even without prior knowledge or learning, u can intuit the meaning and feel the beauty of the expression; it is more of a "heart to heart" communication than logical analysis, once the "prana eye" is opened, not to cage it with arbitrary system of thoughts, that is most crucial!😝So don't be too worried about 2 fold but fully open this inutive "eye", it will lead u to full opening in a different way. Freedom from all elaborations or twofold de-construction is also to get one to this -- the full opening of the untainted, unmade, unconditioned suchness; unfortunately and as much as I would not like to say, the tibetan schools lack this lovely and intuitive expression. The unconditioned is left in the silent of Vimalakirti (imo). It is a different path, different system of training and therefore different expression. That is y, I advise u to read zen master 洪文亮.🤪That said, the mmk deconstruction techniques provide us the tool to investigate in a structure and logical way that can help undercover and deconstruct the very subtle and inherent tendencies that r difficult to "detect". It is not easy to navigate these two territories imo, therefore the +A and -A of emptiness, so navigate with care and patience. I m back to my busy work again tmr so will not participate. Do take care and enjoy ur cny!1📷
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  • Yin LingJohn Tan oic! Thank you. Yes I read this article 3 times already in one day and am still in awe 😍Ok will slowly navigate.Agree MMK is very good. But need to read many times to get use to the refutations. I can only read 2 chapters before getting energy imbalance 🤣🤣🤣Happy back to work soon John , lol1📷
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    John TanYin Ling Should not over emphasize the 7 phases of insights. Those r just some very casual sharing with a friend probably 2 decades back. They r no replacement for Pali canon of course.The 1200 pages are Soh's summary of his spiritual journal for maybe past 20 years, mainly conversations with me and some other teachers. To be frank, given Soh's exposures and interactions in the spiritual circle, the volumes of books he read and most importantly his sincerity, I do think it is a sincere compilation but may not be congruent. It can be a good reference. So just take it for 参考 (reference).Glad that it helps u see through the notion of "self/Self" ...😝And Happy CNY!4📷
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Earlier:
John Tan wrote:
For intensities of one's empty luminous clarity, understand that 'intensities' doesn't imply effort...it is as natural and as light as feather, effortless. However in the six entries and exits (eyes, ears, nose... etc) the intensities vary. Some are more intuitive on colors and forms, some are on sound, some on sensations... so balance them...
Then:
1. presence and absence in actual taste must be clear. See whether the link and what I said about the earth element help you balance your presence. This is absence and presence in vivid clarity, in taste.
2. The other you must look at is emptiness of imputed notions into freedom from all elaborations.
No need to rush, go for 1 first as I think it will be easier for you now given your insight. Too much thinking is not so helpful now... lol
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John Tan:
Yes.
And most importantly, be humble so that in a time when there is no teacher in a dharma degeneration age, let everything, every event, every situation be your teacher; otherwise you ended like soh criticizing this and that teacher hasn't had anatta insight.
[on being really hard to get teachers] JT: It's like that... lol. There are some Chinese zen masters that can express well this anatta insight like Hong Wen Liang, like 慧律法师 (Ven Hui Lu)... their expressions will sometimes help. Soh has lots of their links.
Roshi Meido Moore is quite good also although expressions and emphasis may differ.
[Oh I see. Yeah thich nhat hanh writings help too] JT: Yes.
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Yes and your diet. Your taking too heaty food. No good for your yoga too.
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Soh: Ic.. visual is more intense for me followed by sound etc. smells and sensations only became more intense from 2019
Lol i dont like to criticise teachers but sometimes cant help it if people ask me about this and that teacher as if its [they're at] the final stage
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Yin Ling wrote:
Ng Xin Zhao hmm maybe I don’t get it but before anatta insight arise, I have not understand what is do nothing.
After that, the meditation does itself. The universe is meditating. No one is there doing anything. It is not a metaphorical beautiful flowery language but real experience.
Sometimes I sit and close my eyes and the mind goes into light jhana. The mind does itself.
Sometimes I tell it to not go into jhana so the mind will meditate on all the senses, there’s nothing to do.
Even after one year of vipassana the mind just notes automatically and move through the insight cycle by itself, I will just be working, exercising, and the mind just meditates like that. I can look back in and detect, oh it’s in dukkha nana now 🤣🤣
It becomes truly “do nothing”. I wouldn’t tell someone who just started to do that coz you cannot ever learn to do nothing without putting a great effort first.
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Michael Hernandez wrote:
Yin Ling yes. When Jhana happens it happens like not needing to do anything.
This is "ippo-gujin". It is the paradox of "Total Effort"
When sunyta is cognized it is cognized.
This is the luminosity of specific conditionality (idappaccayata)
like the reflection of the moon on the water.
Still, non doing is the practice of the "effortless effort"
"The voidness of samādhi occurs when someone is in any level of jhāna. When fully concentrated, there is freedom from defilement, and the mind is fixed on the components of the jhāna, or on the sign of concentration. At such times, the ‘self’ thought is absent. There’s no thinking that ‘I’ have entered jhāna, or that ‘I’m’ concentrated. If there is, then there is no possibility of it really being samādhi. So we need to forget the ‘I’ completely and leave the mind to fix on the nimitta, on the object of samādhi, until the factors of jhāna arise fully.......
......."Attena va attaniyena vā suñño loko”: the world, the whole business – no matter what – the entire world is void of ‘self.’ There is only a flow of idappaccayatā. There is no ‘self’ entity involved. There’s nothing that could be clung to as a possession. This entire world is just a paṭicca-samuppanna-dhamma......
......."Now, regarding the voidness that occurs naturally, here we need to understand that the ‘normal’ mind – the mind when there’s nothing interfering with it, when it’s without the nīvaraṇas (the hindrances) without the kilesas (the defilements) – is ‘luminous.’ At such times it could be called the ‘original mind,’ as it was in the womb. The intermittent disappearance of that luminosity happens because defilement enters, bringing with it the feelings of ‘me’ and ‘mine".......
........The mind that is void through the power of vipassanā considers, investigates, penetrates, and intuits into the reality of things, so it isn’t ‘void’ in the way that a stone, for instance, would be. The luminous, original mind still thinks and feels too, but without the defilements."
excerpts from
~VOID MIND
by Buddhadāsa Bhikkhu
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Michael Hernandez wrote:
Yin Ling paradox of Total Exertion
SN 1:1 Ogha-taraṇa Sutta | Crossing over the Flood
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SN 1:1 Ogha-taraṇa Sutta | Crossing over the Flood
SN 1:1 Ogha-taraṇa Sutta | Crossing over the Flood
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Michael Hernandez wrote:
Void Mind by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu - Suan Mokkh
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Void Mind by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu - Suan Mokkh
Void Mind by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu - Suan Mokkh
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Yin Ling wrote:
Michael Hernandez thanks for the links.
I’m not talking about such complicated “states”, what I’m talking about is extremely simple.
Not even about jhana , not voidness, not total exertion, I haven’t practise doing jhana for a few months now, I lost interest.
I just wake up on my bed, this is it. The fan whirring, the aircon , the vibrations here and there in my body, my dad voice downstairs, the warmth of my body, birds chirping, authenticating the dharma 24/7 by itself.
Is there any doing? None. I can’t even label what they are if I’m not fully awake, I can label because I’m typing on Facebook, before this it was all just a knowing of all 20-30 sensations boundlessly, everything doing itself.
It feels extremely natural. There’s no I , no me, no mine,
There’s no Inside outside,
There’s no body,
There’s no mind,
There’s no awareness
There’s no words,
Just these ungraspable formless sensations manifesting and passing away by itself and “my whole world” is just left with “this”.
Ehipassiko, akaliko, opanayiko.. the theravadin chant many times a day…
See it for yourself, not delay in time, leading inwards, to be seen for yourself.
There’s no doubt 🙂
Relax and see! The dhamma is under your nose! Not in the sutras, not in anyone commentary 🙂
Enjoy!!
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Ng Xin Zhao wrote:
Vipassana might had brought you thus far, but to go further into non returning and arahanthood, Jhanas are essential too.
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Yin Ling wrote:
Ng Xin Zhao yup, thanks!
My words Might give ppl an idea I didn’t do concentration before that just fry vipassana but i never did drop concentration practise. It was always 50:50, if I do 6 hours meditation, 2-3 hours will be just on breath/ jhana😂
Now at least 1-2 hours a day coz I can easily vipassana off cushion even when seeing fireworks 🤣save time 🤣
But I wasn’t talking about jhana, just putting words on this “natural state” that is one of the biggest goal in Buddhism yet so missed.
But either way, if conditions arise one will see; If not delusions bind like a hypnosis for years or life. So just attempting to point but missed the mark!
Haha happy cny !!!
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John Tan wrote:
Yin Ling Not bad however not exactly "natural state" yet but it is the beginning of the direct insight into "natural state". To be fully "natural" and "spontaneous", both self and phenomena, arising and ceasing must all be de-constructed thoroughly.
When sitting, there is no "body" and "no one" sitting. Only the sensation dancing. The "butt" that touches the "floor" forms the sensation of "hardness and firmness" -- the earth element.
Now, don't think but feel the sensation of "hardness and firmness", feel the earth element in anatta; so vividly and solidly present, now ask: where r all these sensations? So solidly and undeniably "appears" but "where"?
Happy anatta during CNY!👍
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Yin Ling wrote:
John Tan many thanks for giving me a koan on 初一 ! Haha! Happy cny John!
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Soh Wei Yu wrote:
Daniel's Post on Anatta/Emptiness
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Daniel's Post on Anatta/Emptiness
Daniel's Post on Anatta/Emptiness
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Yin Ling wrote:
Soh Wei Yu thanks, as usual so resourceful ! Great article to complement what John wrote above. I will work hard to Intuit this thanks. Happy CNY 😁😁
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