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Thusness: The tata is very good. The Stainless is also good but just to be picky... the 'it' must be eliminated... stainlessness is the ungraspable of the arising and passing phenomena. Without essence and locality of any arising... nothing 'within or without it'. All the expressions in what you quoted are excellent. And all those phases of insight is to get you to what's being expressed. And all those phases of insights are to get you to what that is being expressed in the tata and stainless articles. It is the place where anatta and emptiness become obsolete. Put this in the blog... great expression.
John Tan also told me before my anatta realisation:
Thusness: You never experience anything unchanging. In later phase, when you experience non-dual, there is still this tendency to focus on a background... and that will prevent your progress into the direct insight into the TATA as described in the tata article. And there are still different degree of intensity even you realized to that level.
AEN: Non-dual?
Thusness: tada (an article) is more than non-dual... it is phase 5-7.
AEN: I see...
Thusness: It is all about the integration of the insight of anatta and emptiness. Vividness into transience, feeling what I called 'the texture and fabric' of Awareness as forms is very important, then come emptiness. The integration of luminosity and emptiness.
Dharma Talk Presented by Ven. Jinmyo Renge osho Dainen-ji, October 24th, 2009
People have all kinds of expectations, not only about how their lives will be, but how today will be, or how this moment will be. But reality is not an idea. It is what it is. Tada.
In the colder autumn air, the trees are changing colour and fallen leaves line the gutters of the streets. And seeing this, we know winter is coming. But although most of us sitting here today have seen this happen again and and again, year after year after year, we don't really know what the cold of winter will actually be like. We have memories of cold fingers, the sound of snow crunching underfoot, memories of having to put on many layers to protect ourselves from an icy wind. But memories of cold are not the reality of cold. It is what it is and we will know cold when it is...cold. Tada. And now, before the snow comes, we see the colour fading from our immediate world as the trees lose their leaves and bare branches stand out black against a graying sky. And mixed into, and swirling along with the leaves in the street, are discarded paper cups, gum wrappers, used Kleenex and the odd sandwich wrapper. All swirling in the wind. Is it beautiful? Is it ugly? Neither. Is it good or bad? Neither. It is Tada.
"Tada" is a Japanese word that means "Just, exactly, of course, just as it is." It is sometimes, as in the Teachings of Eihei Dogen zenji and Anzan Hoshin roshi, used as a synonym for the more techincal term "immo" or "tathata" in Sanskrit, which means Suchness. Suchness is the reality of all dharmas, all things or experiences. The "actual nature" is another technical term for this. It means that each thing is sunya or empty of all of our ideas about and knowledge of anything, that it is impermanent, that it is the radiance of the Luminosity of experience.
Impermanence is so blatantly obvious. We see our grandparents die, and as we ourselves age,we see our parents die. We see other people around us die. We know that all around the world countless people die every day. But when someone close to us dies, we are so surprised. We are surprised when our relationships change, when the economy changes, when our environment changes and we are surprised that we have to change and that what we do has to change because of these changes. We are surprised when we become sick, surprised when we let things slide and difficulty ensues. And most of this surprise is due to a conflict that comes about when our ideas about reality do not match up with what reality actually is. Reality is Tada: Things as they actually are. Suchness. Tada.
That itch behind your ear? Tada. That's it. The sensation of your hands resting in the mudra? That's it. The moisture you feel on your tongue? That's it. The movement of the breath? Just as it is. The form of the person sitting next to you? That's it. The release in your neck and spine when you straighten your posture? That's it. The sound of my voice and the quiet pauses between words? Exactly so. In the moment of Waking up from a thought, the recognition that streaming thoughts that can never settle on any one definitive "truth" because all that they can ever be is a continuously changing streaming? That's it. Tada.
The details of each thing stand out clearly and distinctly just as they are and experiencing is new and fresh, moment-to- moment. There is no need to embellish, to ponder, to strategize or hold on to anything whatsoever because each thing that is known is simply being known as detail arising within the Knowing of it. Tada. So simple.
But, of course, if you let attention narrow and focus, the distortion that focusing will produce is far from simple. We make such a big deal out of our stuff....
We can make a big deal out of a yawn: "Y-AAAAAAAAAAAAA-W-N".
Out of a sneeze "Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-Choo!"
Out of a sensation "I have a....headache"; "I'm tired", "My knee hurts".
Out of a feeling tone (whiny, plaintive voice) "Oh but I thought I was supposed to....". "But you told me..."
Out of a stance "I'm right and I know I'm right and that's all there is to it".
Out of a petty memory: "I remember when you did that thing and how it made me feel and I will never, ever forgive you".
We can make a huge deal out of having to get up in the morning.
Out of having to go to bed at night.
Out of having to eat when it is time to eat.
Out of having to go to work.
Out of having to wait for a bus,
Out of which seat we get on the bus,
Out of simply having to sit down or stand up.
We make a big deal over the simplest of tasks.
Before we do them: "Ugh I have to do yada".
While we are doing them: "Ugh, when is this going to be finished?"
And even after we've done them "I did SUCH a good job of that. Never has such a good job been done of that thing by anyone, anywhere, and everyone else should acknowledge that."
We make a big deal of how we look at other people and how they look at us because we think it all "MEANS" something. It "MEANS" something about "ME".
"I am so sad. Look at my mournful eyes, so deep and full of feeling".
"I am so angry, look how I GLARE at you". (that one can be pretty funny).
"I am sick, look how haggard I am, how near death I am".
Just stop with the "yada yada yada." Just tada. Just practise.
But we can make a big deal out of anything and everything, including our practice. We can make such a big bloody deal out of being mindful that instead of just practising it's ME practising. Tadaaaaaaaa!
But that's the wrong kind of tada. The richness, the dignity, the intimacy of our experience just as it is, without all of our fabrications and contractions and manipulations is inconceivable. It is literally and completely beyond concepts and ideas and stories. In order to realize this, we need to just let go of our habits of attention in all of the ways they are manifested by body and mind.
The Roshi has pointed out that a sense of a "me" is more directly and basically a "sense of locatedness" and that along with it there is a directionality, as it can seem to us that attention moves from a central point, a "me", out and towards experiences. When this sense of locatedness first begins to form, it is the wordless presumption that knowing moves from "here" to "there" in order to know. And yet, this sense of locatedness as a self can itself be known and so obviously cannot be a "knower" or a "self". It is a freezing or crystallization of attention which is much like a frame and from this frame, attention seems to move out and towards what is known. This is why instead of just practising, it can seem to us that there is a "ME" that is practising.
In Rhythm and Song, a series of teisho on Dongshan Liangjie daiosho's text the Hokyo Zanmai, Anzan roshi recounts many mondo-kien or encounter dialogues between Great Master Dongshan and his students. One student was Xuefeng, who much later became a great Teacher after receiving Transmission from Deshan who unlike Dongshan did not mind beating students with his staff. But while he was studying with Dongshan, Xuefeng was still full of himself and full of ideas about Suchness and emptiness. Here is one story:
Once Xuefeng was carrying a bundle of firewood. When he arrived in front of the Master, he threw the bundle down.
The Master asked, "How heavy is it?"
Xuefeng said, "No one in the world can lift it!"
Dongshan asked, "Then how did it get here?"
Xuefeng didn't know what to say.
Poor Xuefeng. What a tool. He was a tool because he was trying to use everything around him as equipment to aggrandize himself. Even a bundle of firewood. Even the simple act of carrying it. For him even samu, caretaking practice, was about the profundity of his idea of his understanding of emptiness. What a tool.
In Rhythm and Song, Anzan Hoshin roshi calls out to us from what all of the Buddhas and Awakened Ancestors of our Lineage have realized and practised,
Intimacy is revealed when we release. We release when we realize that there is nowhere apart from us that we can drop away all of the things about ourselves that we wish were not the case; all of the thoughts and feelings and strategies that at times we are so tired of, and at others, so convinced of.
It is not as simple as that.
It is much, much, easier than that.
It is the simplest thing.
Nothing is true about us. Our nice thoughts do not make us nice. Our devious thoughts do not make us devious. Our bad thoughts do not make us bad.
A thought cannot make anything.
There is nowhere to hide because there is no need to hide.
There is nothing that is true 'about' us because we are that which is true. We are that which presents itself everywhere as everything and yet is itself nowhere at all, no thing at all.
You are this deep intimacy.
Where have you been?
So please join me in not just saying, but in actually being: Tada.
Shítóu Xīqiān once said something that many people doubt and disagree with. He said:
"Practice is not about meditative concentration (chándìng); it is solely about opening the Buddha's knowledge and vision."
- Shítóu Xīqiān
I do not discuss diligent meditative concentration. I do not talk about those things like needing meditative concentration or needing to be diligent; I do not speak such nonsense. It is only about opening your Buddha's knowledge and vision.
What is this Buddha's knowledge and vision? It is the Buddha's knowledge and vision we often encounter—the Buddha's knowledge and vision. The zhī of knowing, the jiàn of opinion or view—the Buddha's knowledge and vision. He said one must open the Buddha's knowledge and vision. As for those other things, like how sitting meditation is done, how to apply effort, how to be diligent—I do not talk about these. I only look at whether you have opened the Buddha's knowledge and vision.
So, may I ask you all, what do you think he means by the Buddha's knowledge and vision? If you see this statement by Shítóu Xīqiān, where he says to open the Buddha's knowledge and vision, what do you think Shítóu is referring to? Does it refer to the Buddha's kind of opinion, the Buddha's thoughts, or perhaps the Buddha's understanding of this universe and life, his right view? The Buddha's correct perspective and opinion—is it like that? If it is like that, then the Buddha becomes just like us! He too has views on the mysteries of human life and the secrets of the universe, and his views are just like our views, only his are more brilliant because he is a Buddha! Does he still have knowledge and vision in that sense?
When he talks about opening the Buddha's knowledge and vision, it does not mean you need to have correct views just like the Buddha; it is not like that. Let me explain to everyone now: the Buddha's knowledge and vision is a fact; it is not that the Buddha has some brilliant views. No. What he refers to as the Buddha's knowledge and vision is a true fact that can be seen everywhere.
What kind of fact? Is everyone down there hearing me speak? I say "Āmítuófó," and over there, "Āmítuófó" moves just like that for you. I say "Ah" here, and do you have an "Ah" over there? Yes! So, this "Ah" sound that you hear. Let me ask you, where did you manufacture this sound from? Is there a place, is there a factory? Is the ear the factory? Then the brain is not needed? The air is not needed? Then my lips are not needed? Which one is the factory, ultimately? I am asking about the "Ah" sound that you hear.
These things might seem very trivial, but what is extremely important lies right here. Ordinarily, we do not consider them problems. Śākyamuni Buddha was the first one to take what we usually do not consider problems and say, "Hey? This is a problem!" We are born, and we see, hear, smell tastes, taste this saltiness or spiciness. Or our bodies make contact, feeling comfort or pain, and we just assume this is natural. There is nothing to discuss, right? Where is the problem here? I look up at the stars in the sky; I look up and see them, and seeing is just seeing. The wind blows over, I feel cool and refreshed, and that is all there is to it. No one has ever thought much about this issue, about this matter, about this fact. People do not treat it as a problem, but he was the first to treat it as a problem. Then, he applied effort to this, and it became his ready-made kōan, constantly paying attention to it. Only later did he discover exactly where we are deluded, and where the fundamental cause of our delusion lies. This is how he approached it. So, what is this Buddha's knowledge and vision? It is not that he has opinions or views; it is not like that.
The Buddha's knowledge and vision means this: I say "Ah" here, and each of you over there has an "Ah." But for this "Ah," a factory cannot be found. If there is no factory, are there any workers? Is there a boss? Is there any machinery that manufactures your "Ah"? You must manufacture an "Ah" to hear an "Ah," right? Is this "Ah" manufactured by our lips? Well, if you close your ears and remove your auditory nerves, is there still an "Ah"? Your ears participate in the manufacturing of this "Ah," but they are not entirely responsible for it! Right? Start from here. The factory cannot be found. If the factory does not exist, there are no workers, the manufacturing machinery cannot be found, and the boss is unknown. What about capital? None, no capital is needed either. After the "Ah" is manufactured and has passed, this thing needs to be discarded. The sound you just manufactured—now that I have spoken it, you need to listen to something else. If it is left there, it will overlap! It will get mixed up! It disappears in an instant; where do you throw it away? The source of manufacturing, the factory, cannot be found; capital, workers, technology, boss—none of them can be found. And when it is not in use, when it has passed, you do not need to touch it; it clears away by itself, it is gone. Where did you throw it? Where did you throw that sound? You do not know either. Where did it disappear to? Unknown. What do we call this fact? We have always assumed, "You say 'Ah' over there, and 'I' hear it!" This is a self-righteous assumption that does not accord with the facts. He discovered this, that this is not the fact. Because if "I" were to hear it, it must be that "I" manufactured this sound, and only then could "I" hear it! Merely your lips moving like that, two flaps of skin moving, does not necessarily mean a sound will resonate here with me. So, the question is: who manufactured this sound? It cannot be found. It is not manufactured by me, not by you, not by empty space, not by a god, not by a Buddha—but it simply is. This is called: cannot find the factory, cannot find the capital, cannot find the engineers, cannot find the workers; "bang," arising from nothingness into being. When conditions are present, it is present; its origin is unknown. This is called "comes from nowhere," as spoken of in the Buddhist scriptures. When it is gone, disappeared, you do not need to look for a garbage dump; it clears itself away, and also goes nowhere, nor arrives anywhere. Coming, it comes from nowhere; going, it also goes nowhere. Where is it thrown away? Where is the garbage dump? How is it cremated? What medicine is used to eliminate it? None are needed; it is simply gone. This is sound.
Scratch your hand, touch the back of your hand. This tactile sensation—it is there when you touch. Where is this tactile sensation manufactured? Is it manufactured by the skin? The skin cannot manufacture it; if the skin could manufacture it, I would not need to touch it. It could just say, "Hey, you create it," and it could create it. If my right hand manufactured it, then I would not need my left hand's back for me to feel the touch; the right hand going to manufacture it would be enough. This means, to put it simply, that forms, sounds, smells, tastes, tactile objects, and mental phenomena—all of them come from nowhere; their place of arising cannot be found. And when they go, you also cannot find where they have gone to. This is a fact! This, first, know this fact.
Therefore, when I say "Ah," an "Ah" appears over there for each of you, right? At this moment, the true, actual situation is not that each of you has a "you" there, hearing the sound I made here, each person hearing this sound in your own place. It is not like that! So, how is it then? Since this sound cannot be found to be manufactured anywhere. Actually, one has deceived oneself. Why deceived by oneself? We have always believed that in hearing, seeing, thinking, and feeling, there is an "I"—there is an "I" that hears, an "I" that sees, an "I" that feels, an "I" that is thinking this way, an "I" that makes decisions. There is always that "I"—this kind of deluded thinking from beginningless time.
They give an example: cooking noodles in a pot of oil. When you take out the noodles, the oil has soaked right into them. How do you remove it? You cannot, can you? It is very difficult to remove the oil from within the noodles. Our thought of "I," that deluded thinking, that erroneous idea, is just like this—extremely difficult to remove. Apart from the method of just sitting that Śākyamuni Buddha taught us, there is almost no way to remove it. It seems like such a simple thing, to remove the oil from the oily noodles, but it is not easy to take out. Because of the deluded thought of "I," we believe there is an "I" that hears, an "I" that sees, an "I" that feels, an "I" that thinks, and even more critically, an "I" that decides. "Do I want to come here to attend the Chan retreat? Yes," so I came. People who have learned well all think it was "I" who decided. If there is no-self, yet decisions are still made by "you," then this Buddhist Dharma does not need to be discussed. It is not you who decides! But if it is not my decision, not your decision, not my mother's decision, not my child's decision, it was clearly "I" who decided, right? It is exactly like this; it is very difficult to eradicate this deluded thinking.
So back to the sound we were just discussing. I say "Ah" here and you have "Ah" there; it is not you hearing, not your ears hearing, nor your brain hearing, because the place where this sound arises, the factory, cannot be found. So how do you hear it? The question comes: how then do you hear it? The origin of the sound is unknown, and no one manipulates it, yet it is present! Clearly, there is the sound "Ah"; it is there! Sometimes, the Chan patriarchs would simply say, "non-existent and yet present," they put it that simply. Does it exist? Where does it come from? Who manufactured it? No one, it cannot be found; "present and yet non-existent." Everything is like this. How can this thing be expressed even better? "Present and yet non-existent, non-existent and yet present" also means, when you hear, they use this kind of language, which is very good: "hearing with the whole body"; when seeing, "seeing with the whole body." What does "whole" mean? The entire body, the entire mind, the entire body-mind, the whole thing. It is not just your ears, your hair, your skin, your pores, your toenails, your intestines, stomach, lungs, heart within your belly—all of them, hearing with the whole body, they are all the hearing itself! It is not that your skin, your teeth, your eyes, your ears, your hair, your pores all collectively hear this "Ah"—it is not like that! The entirety becomes "Ah." This is called hearing with the whole body; it is just that we do not know.
So how is it heard? We call it doing so subtly. How one truly hears, why there is truly this sound, a Buddha does not know; a Buddha also does not know. But when I say "Ah," immediately there is "Ah" over there, so this is called hearing with the whole body. You look up at this flower; at the moment of seeing, it is seeing with the whole body. It is not the eyes seeing, or the brain seeing, none of that; it is not the optic nerve seeing, none of that. Your entire body-mind, the four great elements and five aggregates, completely become this flower! You say it is strange, the four great elements and five aggregates are here; I am not a flower here! My skin, my hair, my heart, so where does this become a flower? The flower is over there; I have not become a flower. This is because you have solidified this body-mind of the four great elements and five aggregates, believing it to be such a fixed thing with self-nature, and this thing cannot be let go of. The four great elements and five aggregates are like clouds, like illusions; in that very instant, they entirely become the flower. You separate the flower from your four great elements and five aggregates, so you say I have not become the flower. This is you being deceived by the obstruction by form, do you know? Obstruction by form, there is a hindrance; you believe this thing is still my hand, how can it become a flower? Do not talk nonsense! Let me tell you, the existence of this physical body, this hindrance you feel when you touch it, this thing is the realm of deluded thinking. Your true self is the Dharmakāya! Your true self is that which is the Dharmakāya, the Dharma-nature in motion. Therefore, that thing and the flower in front, or the "Ah" sound in front, the "Ah" sound and the appearance, the visible form, of a flower—they merge! Like water poured into water. Your Dharmakāya, your Dharma-nature, and the external forms, sounds, smells, tastes, tactile objects, and mental phenomena—the external sense objects are also Dharma-nature, also Dharmakāya, water. Your four great elements and five aggregates here are also exactly this; their true, original face is Dharmakāya, Dharma-nature. Both are Dharmakāya. So water and water communicate very easily! It is not communication; they are originally one thing! Therefore, upon seeing, there is an appearance. Because your four great elements and five aggregates—the four great elements, earth, water, fire, and wind—are the same as my four great elements, earth, water, fire, and wind! Their self-nature is entirely empty nature; they are equally Dharma-nature, so when they meet, just like water poured into that bucket of water, an appearance immediately arises. Do you still need to ask where it is manufactured? If you say this body is this body, and the sound opposite, the sound coming from there is "Ah," and "Ah" is "Ah," and my body has not become "Ah," then you take this obstructive thing as your own deluded thinking and hold it so firmly, desperately holding onto this body-mind, this thing of obstruction by form that I feel, considering it to be my own relation. "I haven't changed! How could I be hearing with the whole body? Sound is sound, and I am I." You are stuck there; you do not understand your true Dharma-nature body. Is this clear?
Once this is clear, you will understand what Shítóu Xīqiān meant by opening the Buddha's knowledge and vision. The Buddha's knowledge and vision is just this: whatever you encounter, you become that encountered thing! Encounter a red flower, your Dharma-nature, the true you, is entirely the flower. Hear "Ah," your entire Dharmakāya, your true existence, the Dharmakāya, is the same thing as that "Ah"! The Dharma-nature body of the "Ah" sound and the Dharma-nature body here that can hear are the same thing, so "Ah" immediately appears. Do not look for a manufacturing factory; do not try to investigate who manufactured it. This simple, this direct fact, no one treats it as a problem. Because from birth, we can hear and see, and it seems very natural, inevitable. This "inevitability" has harmed us. Because we inherently have a deluded thinking; lifetime after lifetime of rebirth, lifetime after lifetime there is an "I," "I" am in saṃsāra, that "I," has always never been let go of. So we roll around in saṃsāra, building up walls and running around inside them, so we must never forget the true Dharma-nature, the true existence of the Dharmakāya, of this physical body, this obstructive body-mind. The existence of the Dharmakāya and Dharma-nature pervades the entire universe! Reaching everywhere, liberated and at ease, a very free and unrestrained function. Due to its functioning relationship, when I encounter you, your appearance immediately arises. You encounter me, my appearance immediately arises; your Dharma-nature body and my Dharma-nature body are one thing. So there is fundamentally no need for manufacturing. It is not "you" who sees, not "you" who hears my voice, is this understood now? This is called the original fact, whatever you encounter, you become that. If the object is large, immediately there is large, it immediately appears. You become large; it is not that you see large, it is that you become large. That "you" is the you of Dharma-nature, not the you of obstruction by form. Do you hear and understand? It is the you of Dharma-nature, so when you encounter a small thing, hey, very small, you become small. Hear a loud sound, you become that loud sound. Hear a small sound, you become that small sound, the you of Dharma-nature becomes that, not this obstructive thing of yours that changes, okay? So, it is inevitable. The interaction between us and the environment, this mutual functioning, interactive functioning, no one can escape it. It is not that a Buddha gave this to you. We call this mutual functioning inevitable; not a single person can escape it. Encountering a wall, it is a wall. Smelling that fragrance, even if you do not want to smell it, there is that fragrance. Why? Your Dharma-nature body, that fragrance is your Dharma-nature body becoming that fragrance! It is not the nose smelling the fragrance, we are mistaken here! Okay? Understand? This is very, very, very important.
In the Cāntóngqì, Shítóu Xīqiān simply wants us to open the Buddha's knowledge and vision. The Buddha's knowledge and vision is our fact, interacting with the environment, mutually functioning. During interaction, it is inevitable; not a single person can avoid it. Because everyone is an existence of Dharma-nature, of Dharmakāya. True existence is the Dharma-nature body, the Dharmakāya Buddha. Our existence is so great and sublime. If you take these bones and skin and these things as "I," you have underestimated yourself. Originally it is a great existence, an existence of Dharma-nature, such a boundless, immeasurable, unhindered existence, and you shrink it down to only this, this concrete, obstructive little piece of body and mind. You demean yourself so small, how pitiful! Drunk on alcohol, forgetting oneself.
Once this is clear, you know that the Buddha's knowledge and vision refers to this fact. This fact is called the Buddha's knowledge and vision. So Shítóu Xīqiān is saying, "Ah, just open it, opening is all that's needed." You are originally this fact, you are truly like this, it is the Dharma-nature body that is in motion, it is the Dharmakāya Buddha in motion. Every single one is moving in the form of the Dharmakāya Buddha, interacting together with the environment. The environment is also the Dharmakāya Buddha! So when I attained the Way, I and the sentient beings of the great earth simultaneously attained the Way, it means this. If you separate them, then of course a tree is a tree, a dog is a dog, the people present at that time were the people present at that time. Then why is it that when Śākyamuni Buddha attained Buddhahood over 2500 years ago, he would attain Buddhahood together with them all, and now we should also be descendants of Buddhas; that would not make sense! So some monks on the internet say this was probably misremembered by someone, or someone thought, how great the Buddha is, and added an extra stroke, praising him incorrectly. But actually it is that he does not understand; he does not understand this matter of the Buddha's knowledge and vision just discussed. If the Buddha's knowledge and vision is misunderstood, no matter how you study you will never understand Buddhist Dharma. It is always taking this form of mine, I see, I think, is your reasoning correct? You see, this is called being in the rut of our thoughts, searching for Buddhist Dharma inside that rut, thinking about Buddhist Dharma, resolving Buddhist Dharma. If the Buddha's knowledge and vision is not opened, it is different; no matter how you think, how you see, it is not what the Buddha taught.
This first part is him explaining this. Because I talked about Shítóu Xīqiān, he said it is not about meditative concentration; sitting meditation and meditative concentration are very important, right? One needs to quiet down, how to open the Buddha's wisdom. He says not about that, I do not particularly emphasize this. But I want everyone, because you have studied with me, reading this scripture I have left behind, especially the Cāntóngqì, you need to understand where my true meaning lies, where the meaning beyond the words lies. I want all of you to open your Buddha's knowledge and vision. The Buddha's knowledge and vision is your fact, your true fact. It is not you going to use your intellect to say, my opinions are now the same as the Buddha's opinions, "I have opened the Buddha's knowledge and vision." It is not this meaning. You understand that when you interact with the environment, because your true existence is Dharma-nature, the Dharmakāya Buddha, it is your true, authentic real human body. So, encountering an appearance there is an appearance, encountering a sound, the sound is you, encountering an appearance, the appearance is you. If you say you are you, and I am still I, could it be that when I encounter you, you become me? You are being deceived by this obstruction. You desperately cling to this thing as "I," so if the sign of a self is not removed, you cannot understand Buddhist Dharma. But then sometimes people will say "I have no sign of a self anymore," "I" have no "sign of a self" anymore, what meaning is that? I cannot understand! "I have no sign of a self anymore, now I have practiced to the point of having no sign of a self..." Who has no sign of a self? Because he has not opened the Buddha's knowledge and vision, he is still muddle-headed there. "I practice very well, strange, there is still this problem," "Hmph, you still have this problem?" "Yes!" Then I have no way. A nod of the head, "Alright, forget it, forget it, your Shítóu's road is slippery, you cannot understand this." Is everyone clear on this point? Then this Cāntóngqì need not be expounded.
「我是在告訴你,第一和第二首偈頌必須齊頭並進,即使在開始時才能對無我有真正的洞見。你必須在無我中有這兩個方面的洞見。那麼什麼是無我?這意味著當你參透無主宰者時,你實際上是在發展你的直接洞見。那不是將任何額外的東西實體化。那是對真如的直接洞見。因此,當你看到『大我』(Self)時,除了五蘊別無他物。當你看到『天氣』時,只有變化著的雲、雨……當你看到『身體』時,你看到不斷變化的感受。當你聽到聲音時,你看到緣起(DO),然後你會看到人我空和法我空(2 fold emptiness)如何僅僅是同一個洞見,以及為什麼那會導致一合相(yi4 he2 xiang4; one totality/composite of appearance)。如果沒有洞見卻執著於言詞,那麼你就錯失了精髓。也就是說,獲得關於這兩首偈頌的洞見不僅僅是為了思考『自我』(Self)」 - John Tan, 2011
對話 — 2020 年 7 月 27 日
John Tan:對我來說,能-作-所(主體-行為-客體)範式僅僅是一個用來幫助表達和理解世界的結構。我不那樣看。我視其為顯現-條件的一法究盡,而不是顯現和條件。
Soh Wei Yu:你指的是 TD Unmanifest 嗎?
John Tan:是的。如果你視客體與主體分離,或者視現象與心分離,無論你如何解構,都只是一種知識。你不會有對任何東西的直接品嘗。當然,沒有辦法知曉所有涉及的條件。僅僅是說明顯現不是憑空而生的。當你經歷解構能知與所知(能與所)的過程時,也有一種空廓感……那種體驗就像身心脫落。當你說,車是空的,但你正坐在裡面……你到底想表達什麼?這和『無風,僅有吹』是一樣的……或者閃電在閃……或者春去夏來……意思是把同樣的洞見應用於萬事萬物。不僅僅是自我……甚至包含運動。所以當你的心始終在看透種種概念構建時,發生了什麼?告訴我當你說車是空的但你卻坐在上面時。你看透了那一層構念,然後怎樣?當你看透正呼嘯的風時……如何?當你看透夏季或天氣時?會怎樣?或者我說閃電在閃,當你真正看透那道閃電時……
Soh Wei Yu:只剩下純粹的顯現……沒有任何實體化。
John Tan:別去思考,直接體驗……這會把你逼進非概念狀態。就像 PCE 的體驗一樣……事實上當你開始時非常充滿正念且警覺……你開始真切地感到那股吹動……對吧……當我說沒有閃電在閃時……你注視那閃爍。對嗎?你是否真的加以修持或留心體察,而不僅僅隨口說一句……當你說沒有夏天時,你分明正體驗著炙熱、潮濕……等等。意思是:雖然你看穿了概念構建,但你不能只是思考。當我說沒有車時,我觸摸這輛車……它的質地……顏色……皮革,輪胎……如果你持續、無間斷地保持這種方式……發生了什麼?你在談論對客體和現象的解構,而我要告訴你——若真正看穿它們,會發生什麼……如果你只是思考,你是無法明白的……
然而這並不意味著無我的第二首偈頌比第一首偈頌更重要。事實上,在喚醒了無我的第二首偈頌,即作為超越了能-作-所(主體-行為-客體)範式的所有顯現的清澈光明之後,深入探究第一首偈頌至關重要。正如 John Tan 所說,一個人不應總是強調臨在[後無我],而應強調那光明的本質。同樣,當我們向人們談論無我時,不僅要談論那光明的臨在,還要談論無造作者。
一切自然生起,沒有造作者或主宰者,就像呼吸和心跳一樣自然。徹底穿透這點,做到完全地自發、毫不費力和釋放。自然的光明是完全毫不費力的,根本不需要付出絲毫努力。讓深入對無我和空性的洞見帶你進入自行解脫和自然圓滿,並消解努力的病態以及對光明的微細過度專注或執著。正如 John Tan 之前也說過的,重要的是不要過度強調光明(以免引起能量失衡的不適感),而且它必須用非造作者的第一首偈頌來補充。他補充說,在非二元之後,個人的修習必須是放鬆和開放的、無實質的、自由的——自然而開放、輕盈、放鬆、毫不費力,然後對毫不費力進行參究。開放和放鬆應該在修習中建立起一種動能。此外,正如 John Tan 所說,我們必須理解無造作者和一法究盡之間的關係——允許各種情況的整體徹底展現其自身。從硬幣的一面看,它是光明的完全「毫不費力」,從另一面看,它是對所有條件的徹底展現。
John Tan 之前也警告過,「你需要非常深地切入空性或無主宰者,以防止未來的問題。這意味著你必須真正克服自我感;否則,你人生的後期會出現問題。你必須修習直到作為主體覺知的自我感被充分解構,至少解構到一種沒有主宰者的狀態。否則,你無法取得進一步進展。如果你不這樣做,你以後可能會面臨比[某個經歷了可怕能量失衡的人]所經歷的還要糟糕的問題。還記得我告訴過你的關於 Actual Freedom 社區的 Richard 嗎?
John Tan 也說道:「由工作、身體外貌或缺乏家庭支持等引起的抑鬱症,與比方說那些關於『我是』的問題之間存在很大差異。所有那些與外貌、工作壓力或學習等相關的焦慮,如果相應的問題得到解決,就會逐漸消散。但是有一些像『我是』這樣的問題,也就是你的第一個直接念頭,如此親密、如此直接,這些是不容易『擺脫』的。」
「當身體還沒有準備好時,有些(能量失衡)可能與某些能量脈輪的打開有關。」
對話 — 2024 年 6 月 6 日
John Tan 說:"是的,不要讓世俗的成就阻礙了一個人的修習,是的,無我僅僅是開始。一旦我們將顯現認出為自身的光明,我們就必須窮盡心與現象。雖然我不是大圓滿或大手印的修行者,但我能理解並直覺到,完全實現無我的自然狀態,也是非常類似於虹光身那樣的結果的。"
Soh Wei Yu 說:"我明白了……"
John Tan 說:"事實上,在一定程度上窮盡了心智的實體化造作之後,我們就不那麼執著於世俗了,並且非常被吸引去將我們的整個身心窮盡於光明的明亮中。我不知道別人怎樣,但這發生在了我身上。這發生在你身上了嗎?"
Soh Wei Yu 說:"是的,我想是的。"
John Tan 說:"在這個階段,毫不費力、無為和不抗拒是非常關鍵的,因為只要心去反應或去專注,能量就會增強,而且常常會導致能量失衡。"
[24/1/26, 8:58:11 AM] John Tan: I really like this YouTube. Very clear explanation and same understanding even from a contemplative approach. Very Buddhist imo.
[24/1/26, 9:03:08 AM] John Tan: Then he talk about Buddhism anatta near the end. He should he go deeply into dependent arising and emptiness.
[24/1/26, 4:55:53 PM] John Tan: Yin ling, also learn the apophatic logic (negative logic) way of understanding, analysing and experiencing in taste. Now the video can be understood from using a substantialist framework to understand a non-substantialist world.
[24/1/26, 4:58:38 PM] John Tan: For example, understanding the sense of seamlessness from lack of boundary rather than holism.
The sense of interconnectedness from lack of essence therefore originates dependently rather than connectors joining nodes.
[24/1/26, 5:03:38 PM] John Tan: To understand how madhyamaka negation logic, non implicative negation can work and in fact more coherently explains the entire world of appearances can vividly presents and functions, appears solid, objective and subjective conventionally yet remain ultimately empty.
[24/1/26, 5:05:20 PM] John Tan: That is precisely what has to be overcome and allow the mind to get it.
[24/1/26, 5:05:37 PM] John Tan: Holism is wholeness
[24/1/26, 5:06:37 PM] John Tan: Means a framework build on wholeness. But Emptiness/dependent arising is beyond whole and parts, neither one nor many.
[24/1/26, 5:07:19 PM] John Tan: Means although there is dependence in origination, u cannot say it is whole or are they separate parts.
[24/1/26, 5:12:45 PM] John Tan: You see, housing vivid appearances (characteristics) into objects as essence, doesn't explain anything or let us know anything at all. It merely swept a lot of things under the carpet and confuse the mind to think and analyse inherently as if that is reality.
[24/1/26, 5:14:04 PM] John Tan: Like how the video explains, there is no object.
[24/1/26, 5:14:49 PM] John Tan: There is also no field and definite energy even not as a force but as mathematics of various quantities within a system
[24/1/26, 5:15:40 PM] John Tan: This tells us the importance of "conventions" just like mathematics
[24/1/26, 5:15:47 PM] John Tan: Instead of things
[24/1/26, 5:17:06 PM] John Tan: So when we slowly get use to it and understand, looking into our meditative experiences and luminous clarity, the body and mind somehow rewired itself to understand the formation of appearances differently.
[24/1/26, 5:17:37 PM] Yin Ling: This sounds promising
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Gemini Comments:
Explanation of John Tan’s Comments
The Core Theme: Substantialism vs. Non-Substantialism
John is using the context of a video—likely regarding quantum physics or field theory—to illustrate the difference between a Substantialist view (how we intuitively see the world) and a Non-Substantialist view (the Madhyamaka/Emptiness view).
He is critiquing the tendency to use a "substantialist framework" (thinking in terms of "things," "wholes," or "essences") to understand scientific concepts that effectively point to the absence of inherent nature.
Key Distinctions Breakdown
1. Seamlessness vs. Holism (The Apophatic Approach)
John emphasizes "apophatic logic" (negative logic). This is the method of understanding reality by removing or negating delusions rather than affirming a new "ultimate thing."
Holism (Substantialist/Affirmative): This view says, "Everything is One." It treats the universe as a giant container or a singular, giant object. This is "Wholeness." It implies an underlying essence that binds distinct parts together.
Seamlessness (Non-Substantialist/Negative): This view says, "There are no boundaries." Seamlessness isn't a "thing" called "The Whole"; it is simply the absence of separation.
John's Point: If you view reality as "Holism," you are still holding onto a subtle object (the "Whole"). If you view it as "lack of boundary," you are realizing Emptiness.
2. Interconnectedness: Dependence vs. Connectors
Substantialist View: You imagine distinct objects (nodes) A and B, connected by a line (relationship). This presumes A and B have independent existence before they connect.
Dependent Arising View: There are no "nodes" to begin with. Dependence does not mean "things exist because they rely on each other"; it means because they are dependent, they do not inherently exist.
John's Point: "The sense of interconnectedness [comes] from lack of essence." Interconnectedness is not about connectors joining pre-existing items; it is the realization that since no independent essence can be found, phenomena are merely dependently designated.
3. Madhyamaka & Non-Implicative Negation
John mentions "Non-implicative negation" (prasajya-pratisedha).
Implicative Negation: "This is not a chair" (implies it might be a table). It negates one thing to affirm another.
Non-Implicative Negation: "There is no inherent self." This negates the self without implying that something else (like a Cosmic Self, a Void, or a Substance) exists in its place.
John's Point: This logic allows appearances to be vivid and function (conventional reality) while being ultimately empty. We do not need a "substance" behind the scenes for reality to function; the lack of substance is why it functions.
4. Beyond "One or Many"
John explicitly targets the trap of "Oneness."
"Emptiness/dependent arising is beyond whole and parts, neither one nor many."
If you say reality is "One" (Holism), you fall into Eternalism (asserting an ultimate existing substance). If you say it is "Many" (separate atoms/particles), you fall into Substantialism. Madhyamaka argues that because phenomena originate dependently, they cannot be singular (as they depend on parts/causes) nor plural (as distinct parts would require independent existence).
The Scientific/Physics Analogy
John draws a parallel between modern physics (as seemingly discussed in the video) and Emptiness.
The Analogy: Physics reveals there are no solid "particles" (objects) at the fundamental level, only fields, functions, or mathematics.
The Mistake: We try to "house" these findings into our old way of thinking. We reify "energy" or "fields" into a new kind of stuff or substance.
The Correction: "Objects" are just conventions—mental designations we place on abstract relationships. Just as "Monday" is a convention (not a physical object), a "chair" or "electron" is a nominal designation for a set of conditions, devoid of an existing essence.
Practical Application (Meditative Experience)
In the final messages, John connects this view to practice:
"looking into our meditative experiences and luminous clarity, the body and mind somehow rewired itself to understand the formation of appearances differently."
He suggests that when we stop projecting "essence" or "solidity" onto experience:
Luminosity/Clarity is no longer seen as a "Self" or "Source."
Appearances are seen as magical, vivid displays that have no "backer," "owner," or inherent existence.
The mind stops looking for a "thing" behind the movement and simply recognizes the function itself—vividly appearing yet thoroughly empty of "existing existents."
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