Link the to the One Bright Pearl text by Dogen: https://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/004ikkam.pdf

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It is the direct experiential realization that one's radiance is the very transient stuff of the universe, none other than all of them. The author of Shobogenzo, Zen Master Dogen says, "Impermanence is Buddha Nature". He also said, “Gensha Shibi once said, “The whole universe throughout all its ten directions is the One Bright Pearl.” You need to clearly recognize the converse, which is that the One Bright Pearl is the whole universe throughout all its ten directions.”
- Zen Master Dogen, https://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/058jippo.pdf

On the radiance as forms of anatman (no self) , I wrote years ago:
http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2019/03/the-magical-fairytale-like-wonderland.html

"Strong and vivid radiance..

Even now the smell of food is standing out in intensity

...[sights have a] HD hypervivid quality...

...Actually more accurate description is magical and marvellous colors (as in the vivid 'textures' of what's called trees, sky, houses, people, streets, etc), sounds (as in the vivid 'textures' of a bird chirping, sound of traffic, etc), scents (as in the aromas of food, and plants, etc), etc. Complete perfection with a stark intensity...

Yet feels completely natural. Without slightest sense of distance or self/Self, even the tiniest details becomes starkly clear

This sense of perfection and magical radiance of everything is still there even when I'm physically tired and lack sleep on the previous night

By magical what I mean is a sense that there’s something very magnificent, almost like beauty but it is not beauty vs ugly and is not at all a subjectively imposed or affective feeling of beauty, but a sense of perfection.. like I look at the fly crawling on my skin, the fly is so completely perfect, like part of the paradise (note: this is different from Thusness's usage of the 'magical')
Like a ball of radiance, except radiance as none other than the boundless world of forms, colors, textures and sounds, that is the very radiance, for it is the world that is the radiance and nothing else. Not a subjective radiance standing apart from forms.

There is nothing subjectively imposed here.. when I say “sense of perfection” that is already not quite accurate as it conveys some subjectively imposed interpretation of perfection.. rather it is the world that is the perfection and each moment carries the flavor of perfection

Perfection being merely a qualitative description of the pristine state of consciousness/radiant forms, not an affective feeling of "it is perfect" but neither is it an objective characteristic of some inherently existing object (there is neither subject nor object as subject and object is conceptual)
But this state of consciousness is not just heightened clarity... it’s like even the trees swaying is marvelously and magically alive and life reveals its significance and meaning all around. I think this is what Richard calls “meaning of life”.

The emotional model of AF makes some sense"

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Driving around Singapore, it feels like I am experiencing Singapore for the first time.

...

…But the best thing in terms of affect so far is that the constant apperception is such a joyful, clean, pristine state of appreciating the boundless and radiant world that there isn't room for unpleasant emotions like sadness, boredom, depression, etc. There is certainly no more "Monday blues" or any kind of "blues" at all. It make sense now in my experience when Richard says his days are one perfect day after another. Even lying on bed, looking at the ceiling, the sound of the humming and background noises is joyful. Any added entertainment on top of that perfection is just another addition on top of perfection."

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This state of apperception is effortlessly and naturally present from the very moment I wake up to the moment I sleep, for example when I wake up sometimes a sound is heard and I do not even know where I am (the body is lying on the bed but the mind hasn't cognized that on the very first moment of waking up) in contrast to the bird chirping or the fan humming as there is simply no 'I' to be located anywhere, there is only everything everywhere... it is almost as if I am at the sound of the bird chirping except there is no 'I' to 'be at' or 'be one with' the sound, there is only sound. The reflection of the orange rising sun over the window in the next building shines as vivid radiance with flawless perfection... the radiant energies courses through the body, energising and vitalising my day. All these informs me that it's going to be yet another perfect day in paradise even before I open my eyes. When driving, when walking, overlooking the long stretch of road over the horizon, there is no center, no reference-point, no center-of-reference, and no circumference... the whole universe is walking, is the walking, is the driving, where the movement of legs is not done or perceived by an 'I' (there is no doer, thinker, feeler, watcher, cognizer, being/Being whatsoever, only action) and this body is walking inseparably from the entire universe, it is not the case that there is a body here and a separate universe out there in which the body moves through.
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[21/3/19, 10:51:33 PM] John Tan: Be as light as feather and as immerse (Soh: immense?) as universe in taste.

[22/3/19, 12:03:41 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..

[22/3/19, 12:08:57 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Actually more accurate is magical and marvellous colors, sounds, scents. Complete perfection with an intensity like a psychedelic experience

[22/3/19, 12:08:59 PM] Soh Wei Yu: 🤣

[22/3/19, 12:09:26 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yet feels completely natural

[22/3/19, 12:10:49 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Without slightest sense of distance or self/Self, even the tiniest details becomes starkly clear

[22/3/19, 12:15:12 PM] Soh Wei Yu: This sense of perfection is there even though I slept less today

[22/3/19, 12:15:47 PM] John Tan: Magical is a form of insight due to emptiness...not just radiance

[22/3/19, 12:16:41 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..

[22/3/19, 12:20:14 PM] John Tan: Magical must come from like magic, illusion

[22/3/19, 12:33:10 PM] Soh Wei Yu: By magical what I mean is a sense that there’s something very magnificent, almost like beauty but it is not beauty vs ugly and is not at all a subjectively imposed or affective feeling of beauty, but a sense of perfection.. like I look at the fly crawling on my skin, the fly is so completely perfect lol

[22/3/19, 12:33:26 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Like part of the paradise

[22/3/19, 12:33:31 PM] John Tan: That to me is not magic

[22/3/19, 12:33:33 PM] John Tan: Lol

[22/3/19, 12:33:39 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Lol

[22/3/19, 12:33:40 PM] John Tan: What is so magic about it

[22/3/19, 12:33:47 PM] John Tan: It is just pce, radiance

[22/3/19, 12:34:05 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..

[22/3/19, 12:34:26 PM] John Tan: Intensity of radiance

[22/3/19, 12:34:48 PM] John Tan: Which is still within anatta

[22/3/19, 12:34:51 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah

[22/3/19, 12:34:57 PM] John Tan: Not the emptiness

[22/3/19, 12:35:00 PM] Soh Wei Yu: But now the emotional mode of AF makes more sense...

[22/3/19, 12:35:03 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic

[22/3/19, 12:35:17 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Model

[22/3/19, 12:35:18 PM] John Tan: Like a ball of radiance

[22/3/19, 12:37:24 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah.. the radiance is only the world

[22/3/19, 12:38:42 PM] Soh Wei Yu: There is nothing subjectively imposed here.. when I say “sense of perfection” that is already not quite accurate as it conveys some subjectively imposed interpretation of perfection.. rather it is the world that is the perfection

[22/3/19, 12:38:52 PM] Soh Wei Yu: It is the world that is the radiance and nothing else

[22/3/19, 12:39:59 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Perfection being merely a qualitative description of the state of consciousness, not an affective feeling But neither is it an objective characteristic of some inherently existing object

[22/3/19, 12:55:23 PM] John Tan: Like what I told u, the radiance cannot b overblown and understood properly

[22/3/19, 1:00:03 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..

[22/3/19, 1:22:50 PM] Soh Wei Yu: But this state of consciousness is not just heightened clarity.. I don’t know how to describe it.. it’s like even the trees swaying is mystically alive and magical.. I think I’m not describing well.. don’t know how to describe lol. I think this is what richard calls “meaning of life”

[22/3/19, 1:27:08 PM] John Tan: That is radiance

[22/3/19, 1:27:34 PM] John Tan: If u don't have those experience means ur intensity isn't there

[22/3/19, 1:27:48 PM] John Tan: Or u r not relax enough

[22/3/19, 1:27:58 PM] John Tan: Into wide openness

[22/3/19, 1:28:14 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..

[22/3/19, 1:28:19 PM] John Tan: Richard description doesn't have the wide openness

[22/3/19, 1:28:34 PM] John Tan: Feels rigid and forceful pce

[22/3/19, 1:29:40 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic.. it feels completely unforced here and natural.. like its naturally like this.. but I’ll try to relax into wide openness

[22/3/19, 1:30:05 PM] John Tan: yes u must relax into openness

[22/3/19, 1:30:18 PM] John Tan: That is y I asked u is it light or strong

[22/3/19, 1:31:18 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..

[22/3/19, 1:32:05 PM] John Tan: Rem when I was in Korea?

[22/3/19, 1:33:13 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah

[22/3/19, 1:33:30 PM] Soh Wei Yu: U had similar experience? When was it

[22/3/19, 1:34:07 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oh u said lightness

[22/3/19, 1:34:11 PM] John Tan: I have many episodes of energetic radiance experiences post anatta

[22/3/19, 1:34:46 PM] John Tan: Some is so strong that I have to sit and meditate even in public in Korea to calm it down...lol

[22/3/19, 1:34:52 PM] John Tan: Did I tell u that?

[22/3/19, 1:35:18 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oh u didn’t tell me.. lol

[22/3/19, 1:35:42 PM] John Tan: I thought I told u B4?

[22/3/19, 1:36:54 PM] Soh Wei Yu: U mentioned about openings but not about sitting down and meditating in public lol

[22/3/19, 1:37:14 PM] John Tan: I think I did

[22/3/19, 1:38:03 PM] John Tan: I sat and told my family members and relatives to go ahead first

[22/3/19, 1:38:06 PM] John Tan: Lol

[22/3/19, 2:03:09 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Lol..

[22/3/19, 4:16:56 PM] Soh Wei Yu: SUBSCRIBER NO. 19: Does universe is infinite a certainty now? And can you explain about how do you know it with so much certainty.

VINEETO: It has been a certainty for me for a long time, intellectually understood at first, that there can’t be a ‘something’ let alone a ‘nothing’ beyond the imagined borders of the universe and any such ideas were experientially confirmed in my PCEs as being nothing other than human imagination in operation. However, about a week ago, I clearly experienced this consciousness being without limits and the vast stillness of the infinite universe became fully apparent. I then experienced it as a fact that I am this infinite universe experiencing itself as a flesh-and-blood conscious human being. This experience occurred again today but is not yet an ongoing moment-to-moment experience. Richard reported that it took him several years to realize the full depth and purity of an actual freedom.

It’s still early days.

Cheers Vineeto

[22/3/19, 4:17:06 PM] Soh Wei Yu: - http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/directroute/19.htm

[22/3/19, 4:17:12 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Is this the openness u talk about

[22/3/19, 4:18:48 PM] John Tan: I read this b4.  This is what rechard called realising one's destiny if I m not wrong.

[22/3/19, 4:19:13 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic.. written by Vineeto who just attained actual freedom shortly before she wrote that

[22/3/19, 4:19:20 PM] Soh Wei Yu: But richard talks about it too

[22/3/19, 4:19:25 PM] John Tan: Yes

[22/3/19, 8:05:34 PM] John Tan: Unfortunately the total exertion cannot penetrate the 3 times due to artificially restricting it to "actual".

[22/3/19, 8:47:06 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic ya AF always emphasize Now too much lol

[22/3/19, 8:47:25 PM] Soh Wei Yu: I think I attained AF 🤣

[22/3/19, 8:50:09 PM] Soh Wei Yu: RICHARD: I am not saying that the lack of movement of time itself (aka durationless time/ eternal time/ beginningless and endless time) – as contrasted to time as a measure of the sequence of events (as in past/present/future) – has the quality of timelessness.

RESPONDENT: It [this stillness] ‘is’ the eternal now.

RICHARD: No ... the stillness of time itself is not the [quote] ‘eternal now’ [endquote] of religio-spiritual/ mystico-metaphysical lore.

RESPONDENT: The only moment there ever is.

RICHARD: This moment is the only moment there ever is.

RESPONDENT: It is infinite.

RICHARD: It is space which is infinite ... time is eternal (and matter is perdurable).

RESPONDENT: And I suppose it has other unique qualities that this relative mind (me) cannot imagine.

RICHARD: The stillness of time itself is absolute.

RESPONDENT: Therefore I am jumping to the conclusion that the stillness is not another object of consciousness like a bird or a plane.

RICHARD: The stillness of time itself is ascertained apperceptively (unmediated perception).

RESPONDENT: And that the stillness is an essential aspect of the world you inhabit.

RICHARD: The stillness of time itself, being a property of that arena (so to speak) in which events occur, is an essential property of this actual world ... the world of this body and that body and every body; the world of the mountains and the streams; the world of the trees and the flowers; the world of the clouds in the sky by day and the stars in the firmament by night and so on and so on ad infinitum.

RESPONDENT: Correct me if I am wrong, but do you claim that you (Richard) are the first person, and possibly the only person to have ‘seen’ the stillness?

RICHARD: No ... the stillness of time itself has been experienced by countless peoples during pure consciousness experiences (PCE’s).

RESPONDENT: That this ineffable state of purity and perfection is yours alone.

RICHARD: The pristine purity and peerless perfection of this actual world is neither ineffable nor mine ... it is readily describable and each and every body already lives in it.

RESPONDENT: That the universe waited all this time to reveal itself?

RICHARD: The purity and perfection of the infinitude this universe indubitably is has never been concealed, is not concealed, and never will be concealed ... it is perpetually out-in-the-open.

Have you never noticed it is never not this moment?

[22/3/19, 9:19:18 PM] John Tan: Lol

[22/3/19, 9:23:25 PM] John Tan: I m so 😖 of all these "I attained this and that".

[22/3/19, 9:23:41 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Hahaha

[22/3/19, 9:24:46 PM] John Tan: And to claim when u r not in their path of practice is  not appropriate.

[22/3/19, 9:24:58 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..

[22/3/19, 9:26:03 PM] John Tan: When we r rich internally, we should not b swayed by all these.

[22/3/19, 9:27:04 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic.. I hope next time got cross traditional terminologies lol. Actually I think that’s what we r doing

[22/3/19, 9:28:23 PM] John Tan: There r too much baggages.

[22/3/19, 9:29:28 PM] John Tan: I taught u view, experience and realization so that u can clearly see.  As for what attainment is not important.

[22/3/19, 9:29:54 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..

[22/3/19, 9:30:59 PM] John Tan: Many r confused with experience, view and the  realization of view.  Once u r clear, u can sort out many issues and the mind can rest.

[22/3/19, 9:31:18 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..

[23/3/19, 12:28:46 AM] John Tan: I knew sooner or later u will b experience that, just late by 2 years.

[23/3/19, 12:28:57 AM] Soh Wei Yu: :P

[23/3/19, 12:29:03 AM] Soh Wei Yu: oic..

[23/3/19, 12:29:35 AM] John Tan: Must learn how to relax

[23/3/19, 12:31:32 AM] John Tan: There is a description I told u about baby cry in plane

[23/3/19, 12:32:33 AM] John Tan: And the teaching abt tasting saliva, touching everything and feel the intensity of radiance

[23/3/19, 12:33:42 AM] John Tan: U should b having such experience if u r not engaged in too much thoughts.

[23/3/19, 12:33:56 AM] Soh Wei Yu: ic..

[23/3/19, 12:34:08 AM] Soh Wei Yu: i think i've always had it but just intensifying nowadays..

[23/3/19, 12:34:29 AM] Soh Wei Yu: its hard for me to pinpoint the trigger but i guess accumulated evolving conditions

[23/3/19, 12:34:48 AM] John Tan: Then center

[23/3/19, 12:35:01 AM] John Tan: The center

Aditya Prasad

Soh Wei Yu Thanks! I'm still a little unclear. It sounds like he is saying that what you call "magic" is just the radiance discovered in anatta, the wondrous mystical alive quality of everything. And then there is the "magic" of emptiness, which is different. Is that right?

In my own experience, the latter kind of "magic" is connected to the astonishing fact that anything appears at all, despite having no precondition by which to appear. At the heart of reality is pure paradox, and yet somehow despite that (or maybe because of it), there is ... THIS. Pure, mind-shattering impossibility.

Does any of that ring a bell?

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"Thanks! I'm still a little unclear. It sounds like he is saying that what you call "magic" is just the radiance discovered in anatta, the wondrous mystical alive quality of everything." Yes. "And then there is the "magic" of emptiness, which is different. Is that right?" Yes.

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In my own experience, the latter kind of "magic" is connected to the astonishing fact that anything appears at all, despite having no precondition by which to appear. At the heart of reality is pure paradox, and yet somehow despite that (or maybe because of it), there is ... THIS. Pure, mind-shattering impossibility."

This is not emptiness

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The magic that John Tan talks about is this emptiness, like a magician's trick, that Buddha taught: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_95.html

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Pheṇa Sutta (SN 22:95)

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On one occasion the Blessed One was staying among the Ayujjhans on the banks of the Ganges River. There he addressed the monks: “Monks, suppose that a large glob of foam were floating down this Ganges River, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a glob of foam? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any form that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in form?

“Now suppose that in the autumn—when it’s raining in fat, heavy drops—a water bubble were to appear & disappear on the water, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a water bubble? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any feeling that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in feeling?

“Now suppose that in the last month of the hot season a mirage were shimmering, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a mirage? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any perception that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in perception?

“Now suppose that a man desiring heartwood, in quest of heartwood, seeking heartwood, were to go into a forest carrying a sharp ax. There he would see a large banana tree: straight, young, of enormous height. He would cut it at the root and, having cut it at the root, would chop off the top. Having chopped off the top, he would peel away the outer skin. Peeling away the outer skin, he wouldn’t even find sapwood, to say nothing of heartwood. Then a man with good eyesight would see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a banana tree? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any fabrications that are past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing them, observing them, & appropriately examining them—they would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in fabrications?

SN 22:95  Pheṇa Sutta | Foam

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“Now suppose that a magician or magician’s apprentice were to display a magic trick at a major intersection, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a magic trick? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any consciousness that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in consciousness?

“Seeing thus, the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones grows disenchanted with form, disenchanted with feeling, disenchanted with perception, disenchanted with fabrications, disenchanted with consciousness. Disenchanted, he becomes dispassionate. Through dispassion, he is released. With release, there is the knowledge, ‘Released.’ He discerns that ‘Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.’”

That is what the Blessed One said. Having said that, the One Well-Gone, the Teacher, said further:

“Form is like a glob of foam;

feeling, a bubble;

perception, a mirage;

fabrications, a banana tree;

consciousness, a magic trick—

this has been taught

by the Kinsman of the Sun.1

However you observe them,

appropriately examine them,

they’re empty, void

to whoever sees them

appropriately.

Beginning with the body

as taught by the One

with profound discernment:

When abandoned by three things

—life, warmth, & consciousness—

form is rejected, cast aside.

When bereft of these

it lies thrown away,

senseless,

a meal for others.

That’s the way it goes:

It’s a magic trick,

an idiot’s babbling.

It’s said to be

a murderer.2

No substance here

is found.

Thus a monk, persistence aroused,

should view the aggregates

by day & by night,

mindful,

alert;

should discard all fetters;

should make himself

his own refuge;

should live as if

his head were on fire—

in hopes of the state

with no falling away.”

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1. An epithet of the Buddha.

2. See SN 22:85.

See also: SN 35:193; AN 10:51

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The magic of emptiness is not that there is no preconditions, but that everything is dependently originating, appearing yet without substance, like a magic trick, a mirage, a reflection, a phantom, a rainbow. Magic.

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Appearing, but anywhere? Nowhere. With conditions, appears 'appear' magically. But unfindable, Conditions too are not truly existing but dependently designated and dependently originating. But emptiness is to be understood in terms of dependent origination.

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Awakening to Reality

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Listening to someone tutoring about "rainbow",

The teaching of science came to my mind.

The raindrops, the sunshine;

The light that enters and exits the droplets;

The reflection, refraction and light dispersion;

All these formed the rainbow.

But they missed the most important factor,

The radiance of our own mind.

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Jayson MPaul

Rainbows need to have eyes in correct position, water droplets, light, radiant mind, all like so for rainbow to appear. Move slightly and rainbow is gone. Never came from anywhere, stayed anywhere, or went anywhere. The rainbow was insubstantial, but vividly displayed. All phenomena are like this.

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Look ahead and you see the table and your phone. Need "all like so" (tatha). Look behind you and that is gone, but now a new like so and not otherwise.

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Where is the flower?

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I was contemplating on dependent arising and emptiness this morning, follow on a conversation with a friend ytd.. my inquiry goes -

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When you see a flower,

ask, is the flower in my mind? is the flower out there apart from my mind? Is the flower in between mind and out there? where? where is the flower?🤨

When you hear a sound, ask,

Is the sound in my ear? in my mind? in my brain? in the radio? in the air? separated from my mind? is it independently floating? WHERE?🤨

when you touch a table, ask,

Is this touch, in my finger? in the table? in the between space? in my brain? in my mind? separated from mind? WHERE?🤨

Keep finding. See, Hear, Feel. The mind need to look to be satisfied. If not it keeps being ignorant.

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Then you will see, There was never a SELF , self in buddhism means independent thing - singular, independent, one, substantial THING sitting outside or inside or any where in this 'world'.

For the sound to appear, the ear, radio, air, waves, mind, knowing, etc etc etc need to come together and there's a sound. lack of one and there is no sound.

-this is dependent arising.

But then where is it? what really is this that you are hearing? so vivid of an orchestra! but where?! 🤨

-That is Emptiness.

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It's all just illusory. There, yet not there. Appear yet empty.

That is , the nature of reality.

You never needed to fear. You only wrongly thought it's all real.

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Yasmin El-Hakim

wonderful investigation

❤️🙏

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Rosina Marie

That last part though ❤🙏

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John Tan

Yin Ling Luminous appearance that does not exist (med pa gsal snang)

See whether u can find articles about "med pa gsal snang", I can't, maybe u can. 🤦

Where is the flower?

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Where is the flower?

Where is the flower?

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Thanks Soh. I don't yet see the difference. You say:

> The magic of emptiness is not that there is no preconditions, but that everything is dependently originating

"Pre"conditions means some source or substance that is prior to appearance. Despite there being no such source or substance, appearance appears. As you say, this can only happen because things depend on each other. This is paradoxical, because circular dependencies should have no way to "bootstrap" themselves into (apparent) existence.

Anyway, don't mean to argue. I'm sure this will clarify as realization deepens.

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Aditya Prasad

Ah I see. No background or source prior to appearance, just luminous appearance is simply anatta, the firstfold emptiness. Some deviate from emptiness view and rest at this level, without overcoming subtle reifications that can lead to something like AF's 'actual world'. But if you mean self and phenomena are both empty, all vivid appearances are empty yet appears, twofold emptiness, coalescence of emptiness and forms, emptiness and appearance, etc, then this is the 'magic' of emptiness.

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Soh Wei Yu

Aditya Prasad No worries and I didn't get the sense that you are here to argue. 🙂

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