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    Hi Nick. Glad you’re reading this book, I found it very helpful.
    I Am as described here is equivalent to kensho.
    As far as the question about hearing the bell, the question that immediately arose for me was, “Did you have an awakening?” This is what matters. Was there an undeniable shift in the way that you experience moment to moment reality? This is absolutely self-validating. For instance Buddha himself could appear and tell you it wasn’t real and it wouldn’t shake your certainty one bit. It won’t be surrounding a singular event like hearing one thing, but will be pervasive in all of your experience. There is usually an accompanying emotional release and a feeling of vaporizing a heaviness wed been carrying as long as we can remember. It usually comes with a honeymoon period that can last weeks to months, somethings longer. Even when that wears off it’s clear that something has shifted and never shifted back. This is in contrast to tastes of awake nature which can last minutes to hours, sometimes a couple days, but there is no shift in ones identity and you still feel like the same person seeking that relief.
    If that hasn’t then I’d keep working at it and not analyze about specific details. It often occurs that we analyze specific details trying to “solve” something and use that activity as a life line to avoid going into the abyss that no concept can touch.
    Very specifically, there are definitely degrees to which hearing/sensing occurs. Before awakening it can appear as if we can sense directly but the subject / object construct is completely intact. There is no way we can imagine how that sense experience would be without it, literally. To sense without separation operating is quite a different thing, it usually comes with awakening to various degrees, and it’s not subtle.
    I told this story somewhere recently maybe in this group so sorry if you’ve read it, but it’s illustrative here. A friend of mine years ago was in a particularly difficult phase of her life and practice. She was sitting one day and said to herself, “I just can’t get back to myself!” Then she laughed at what a strange thought that was. She asked herself, “Where the fuck did I go then?” And laughed some more. She continued to sit and everything was quiet. It was so quiet and there were no thoughts, that she didn’t notice anything was different bc there was no noticer, but that wasn’t noticed 😂. Then she got up to take a shower. As she ran her hand through her hair under the shower she said she realized that in 37 years of being alive she’d never ACTUALLY felt that before! She couldn’t believe it. Everything was pure flow, clarity, infinite. All objects were pristine, alive and radiant. She spent weeks examining random objects in tears at their beauty and depth. She told me, “You know I always thought enlightenment was something mystical or sone other worldly experience, I was so surprised it was the sensation of water running through my hand in my hair.”
    If you experience the bell, other sounds and visual field this way then you have your answer. If not I’d keep chipping away at it.
    Even if you are experiencing things in a non dual way, that can still be clarified as well as dissolving the tendency to form reference frames, hold position, etc.
    Good luck !
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    Angelo Gerangelo
    great post and your friend’s breakthrough was wonderful

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    yeah afterward she referred to it as “The day the world dropped away.” ☺️
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    Great post. I wonder how this realization you describe fits into the many maps/levels that are mentioned in this thread, ie Buddhist, Wilber or otherwise.

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    Angelo
    That's a fantastic story and immediately relatable to anyone who has had that shift. I remember reading in a Jed Mckenna book where he's awed by the beauty of the rust and grime on some old buildings while he's waiting on a friend. I never got that until after my shift. For me, it was sound. The symphony of construction noise, melody of the dogs snoring, "terrible" pop music suddenly sounding beautiful for what it was, etc.
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    Hi Charlie. In my experience the initial shift (I usually just call awakening or first awakening) but is referred to as I AM or kensho is consistent among those going through this process in earnest. There are differences in initial depths of awakening etc but those are subtleties that would not be easy to sort out until far down the road so trying to sort them out or map them before even going through the process will probably not be very fruitful. Also based on experience, personality, etc people will describe this shift in quite different ways. Many won’t feel inclined to talk about it at all bc it’s clear it’s not something you can put into words/maps and to do so without really knowing the subtleties of how this all moves, can mislead people. As an illustrative example, I was at an adyashanti retreat one and a woman got up and described what sounded like an awakening in her recent past. Then in a round about way she suggested she feels she now wants to help other people go through it. She was clearly looking for an endorsement to teach but didn’t say it out right. He just smiled and sat back looking at her for an uncomfortably long time. Then he finally said in a pretty stern tone, “I can’t tell you what to do... but if you’re going to go out and teach this you’d better know it all the way down to the bottom.” Without saying it literally he was effectively telling her “Go sit for another 20 years, and come back and talk to me.” 😂
    Anyways what I find with people I’m working with who go through this initial gate-less barrier is that this initial shift is consistent and has certain aspects that are undeniable. Few people clarify ongoing non-dual realization right after initial awakening but it can happen as well. More likely it will take several months to several years. That period is one of clarifying practice, dissolving fixations, integrating/dissolving afflicting repressed emotions, investigating how the most fundamental beliefs tied to self operate which leads naturally to clarification etc.
    Also I find that right after awakening the person usually seems quite enlightened for a period. They often touch into non-dual and even no-self for a time but those are usually experiential/unstable and followed by that not-so fun period of feeling quite un-enlightened. Then with good guidance and willingness to let this process dissolve the fixations more and more there can be those further refinements as described in stage 4/5 here. No-self you is sort of a whole different ballgame but it is where this leads if you’re crazy enough to keep going after awakening :0
    I’ll post a link of a friend I interviewed about a week after initial awakening. It took her five months of hard core practice/ Inquiry.
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    yeah when you can be enraptured staring at a wall not trying to meditate , you know something has changed 😂
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    Charlie Birns
    here something else someone sent me right after awakening. You can see that the ways of describing vary yet the shift is undeniable.
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    The body is tired but it doesn’t sleep much. It shakes. I wake up in the middle of the night to cry. The tears keep coming. It actually isn’t me crying, it’s the universe crying. It’s shedding all the tears that my family had to hold back, all the tears that my friends innocently swallowed.
    What grace to be broken open like this.
    Nobody is doing anything. This has nothing to do with me. What is me? Is it still here? Was it ever here? I don’t know. I can’t tell. ‘Me’ sounds like a pet dog.
    Something is dying. But I am here. Alive. There is nothing more obvious. At times thought is quiet. At times thought is loud. Thoughts come. The mind is active. The mind is adorable. All I see are dreams. Mere whispers on the stage. Desire and aversion come and go, but they belong to no one.
    There are hopes and wishes, fears and concerns. And here they all converge, they meet and kiss and dissolve into each other. ____ is changing and not changing. It’s a beautiful show. She’s still here, apparently. She still loves to work her ass off and eat chocolate and exercise and laugh and fall apart. She loves to fall apart. So what?
    There is nothing to overcome. Suffering is perfection.
    The most mundane is the most sacred. Imagination is sacred. Delusion is sacred. Pretense is sacred. In this play I meet myself again and again and again. Hi there you.
    I’m on my death bed and outside the sun is rising. This is where the end meets the beginning. I’ve never heard the birds sing so clearly. So effortlessly.
    I’m exhausted and heavy and I’m vital and light. How can this be? There’s a coexistence. Sameness. I’m moving so rapidly and yet unwaveringly still.
    I’m naked and absolutely held. Held by the unknown. Kidnapped. Conquered by the unknown. Home.
    Thank YOU for lighting the way. Thank you for your willingness to take everything away so gently and so radically. Thank you for feeling when I couldn’t feel. Thank you for getting out of the way, for showing up relentlessly, for the lack of filters, for everything you didn’t do. I don’t know what the fuck you did, but I suspect you didn’t do anything. Thank you for a selfless, agenda-less offering from no one to no one.
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    Thanks so much for your replies. I really like how you write about this. I find it difficult to locate my perceptual shifts in terms of maps and stages, though it is compelling and in some ways productive to do so. It seems like you are locating that initial, seismic nondual realization as stages 4 and 5 on the AtR Seven stages of enlightenment map. I found Adyashansti's book "The End of Your World" a helpful guide navigating life after that initial breakthrough/breakdown. What have you found to be the most helpful approaches or supports for continuing the insane journey to no-self-land?

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    I think that’s a good book, he has one called emptiness dancing that is good as well. As far as resources, it’s hard for me to say honestly. I have only read a handful of books about realization. They seem to appear when needed. A few things I think are important for life after that initial awakening and up until no-self are these.
    1. Important to find where intention (for awakening , living truth etc), meets surrender to flow of life/non-dual nature of immediate experience. Continue to find this sweet spot revealed in various activities, not just on the mat. Continue to investigate the pristine and dimensionless nature of sense phenomena / presence. If done correctly the sense of a world will dissolve. This is not describable but it’s true experience, nothing special and transient (just this). Like entering a non-world of as this is-Maha-radiance . From here it’s exquisitely clear there is nothing to do, yet alertness and willingness to see any and all fixation tendencies, beliefs and avoidance patterns is key. From here there is nowhere to go and spontaneity IS practice IS radiant empty nature IS everything-not-in space-and-here IS nothing at all. Endless flux so primary it can’t even know it self, just pure display . It’s radically intimate but impossibly varied. It’s no where and never not here. This carries itself forward naturally,
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    Angelo Gerangelo
    that's awesome. thank you! I definitely still have subject/object despite no-thought when experiencing sensations. If I enquire "who am I" attention centres on the energy channel running up the centre of the body, then I enquire "who am I" (meaning I see that I am aware of what initially seems like me then enquire of that). Is that how you would practice?

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    for initial breakthrough it doesn’t involve the senses so much as it does the relationship between thought and consciousness. I write something recently may be helpful

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    Self-Inquiry
    We’ve already touched on the question “Who am I?” a couple times. Now we’re going to take that point of inquiry and supercharge it. We’ll use this self-inquiry vehicle as a sort of depth charge. Its purpose is to plunge you down through all those layers of belief and personal narrative, right to the core of identity. If we do this the right way, it will detonate when it reaches that core. This detonation will blow a hole right through the bottom. “The bottom of what?” You might ask. The bottom of everything. We are going to blow a hole right through the bottom of reality. You didn’t come all this way for nothing right?
    “Blowing a hole through the bottom” is obviously a metaphor. The transformation that we’re referring to is so radical that even dimension (bottom, top, near, far) will be seen to be an illusion. Still, it’s a reasonably apt description. After my own awakening, these were the exact words that occurred to me. A couple of days into reality as I knew it dismantling itself, I was talking to a friend about what had happened. I knew I couldn’t adequately put into words what had taken place. I also knew it was impossible to describe what had replaced the struggle and isolation I had previously considered “normal life.” Yet my friend could sense that something had dramatically changed in me, and asked what had happened. The words came, “I was meditating and the bottom fell out.” It was exactly like this. Oddly enough, when the bottom fell out, there was nothing for everything to fall into. The framework of reality as I had known it had completely deconstructed itself. What was left was something like a deep and pervasive peace, and that’s how it remains. It’s obvious that whatever I thought was real before was only a very small “model” of reality, something like a shadow on a wall. I had stumbled upon a possibility, a way of investigating perception, that completely altered the way I experience reality.
    Self inquiry has the power to bring this about for anyone who is willing to take the plunge. By imbibing it with the will to awaken to our true nature, we give the self-inquiry vehicle power beyond the limits of what we are capable of on our own. In this way, the inquiry becomes something of a portal or a conduit through which we can come into contact with forces altogether beyond the limits of the human dimension. Once this happens, you can no longer know yourself in the limited and definite way you had previously learned to perceive yourself. Your identity will find a new equilibrium with unbound consciousness, which is essentially limitless. The limitless experience of consciousness-Being, while astounding, is but the staging area for the more radical unfolding ahead. Yet it is a very important milestone in the process of realization.
    Like any catalyst, this method of self inquiry functions best when the environmental conditions are favorable. Let’s spend some time discussing the optimal conditions to support this process before we will delve into the mechanics of the inquiry itself. Here are the conditions:
    Alert: This inquiry works best if we are alert, without straining. You don’t want to be slack with your attention, daydreaming, or mind-wandering. On the other hand, it’s unnecessary to be hyper-vigilant or to strain your attention into a hyper-focused state. You want to be alert enough to assure that nothing escapes your attention, including any thought. A relaxed and dilated (open) attention, engaged in the process of inquiry is ideal. It is something like driving an automobile in a city you are unfamiliar with. Unlike taking a long drive down the highway where you might zone out or daydream a bit, driving in an unfamiliar city requires you to keep your attention on the immediate environment. You won’t be daydreaming or imagining events and places that aren’t in your current experience. It can take a bit of practice to strike the right balance of alertness and relaxation. Keep practicing and you will find that sweet spot where you are neither daydreaming nor straining.
    Curious: Genuine curiosity is necessary for this approach to work. It’s my responsibility to relate the mechanics of this inquiry in a way that compels genuine curiosity. It’s up to you to be willing to acknowledge that innocent curiosity and proceed from it. We often circumvent natural curiosity by moving our attention to a familiar but artificial mental construct when we find ourselves in the unknown. We do this to feel some sense of certainty. This means that when faced with the unknown we often cling to old habituated patterns of thinking to help us avoid admitting to ourselves that we really don’t know. When this technique is applied correctly you will find yourself in the unknown rather quickly. The paradox here is that using thought to “cure” that sense of unknowing will undermine the inquiry. A willingness to remain in unguarded curiosity is the lamp that lights the way forward.
    Empirical: One definition of empirical is, “Verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or logic.” When conducting self-inquiry, it’s best to forego comparing your experience to any idealized experience or expectation. We’re here to discover. So any description we’ve read or heard about what is supposed to happen when we self-inquire is useless. We’re only interested in what we directly discover. If you’re willing to take a strictly empirical approach, then only immediate, obvious, and self-explanatory experience matters. When you really get the spirit of this, it is quite a relief. How nice it is to not to have to stress over whether your experience is the “right” one. In a sense you’re putting realization in the hot seat. You’re saying, “OK, I trust that you really can show me something that is beyond my own capacity to construct as a mental image. I will keep my slate clean and not compare my experience to any ideal, regardless of where I acquired that ideal.”
    Fresh: - When you begin this inquiry just let go of everything you know. Let go of past inquiries and results. Let go of any insights you might have had, even the last time you meditated or engaged in inquiry. In fact, let go of what happened five minutes ago. Just this one question. Just this one experiential observation. Do this every time you return to inquiry. Better yet, do this as you go about inquiry. It’s like writing on a chalkboard and there is an eraser immediately following the chalk. In this way every moment is fresh. Every time a question is asked, it’s asked from complete innocence and unknowing. We carry no baggage in this way. When we free ourselves up from the bondage of the past, we are free to synchronize with the moment to moment flow of reality.
    Consistent: Initially, you might approach this inquiry during seated meditation, or when you feel inclined to introspect. Over time, as the curiosity and desire to wake up build, you will find that you can carry this inquiry with you for longer periods of time. You might be surprised as it becomes quite enjoyable to carry this throughout daily activities such as cooking, working, exercising, and even talking with others. With consistency a certain momentum builds. When I was close to awakening (though I didn’t know it at the time), I would even carry inquiry off into sleep. I would try to stay with the query even as my consciousness seemed to disappear into nothingness. I would then pick it up just as soon as I remembered upon waking. There’s no need to judge yourself if you can’t stay with it constantly, but as your passion to penetrate the barrier of illusion grows, you will find that it can be carried with you a lot of the time. After all, if you’ve come this far you’ve realized there is nothing more important than this right?
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    Basic Process
    1. Become receptive to thought: It’s so common for us to attempt suppress or avoid thoughts when we want to relax and rest. We often conclude that if all those thoughts weren’t there we’d be at peace. Well when it comes to self-Inquiry we actually want the thoughts to come. We orient toward thoughts, as if we can’t wait for the next thought to arrive. This might sound counterintuitive but when you truly embrace the arrival of thoughts (regardless of their content), it can relax you in a different way than you might be used to. It’s not a checked-out sort of relaxation, it’s a checked-in relaxation. To put it simply, a lot of strain is involved in resisting thoughts, and we resist thoughts to various degrees all day long. So the first step is to simply become thought-receptive. Turn your attention to that inner movie screen. You can even affirm inwardly, “I choose to be completely receptive to thoughts, they have all of my attention right now. I welcome them.” Another way of saying it is to make the awareness of thoughts as thoughts, the most interesting thing to you in this moment. For instance, the goal is not to daydream endlessly about a beach trip to the Bahamas. Rather we become fascinated as the thought of the Bahamas forms on that inner screen. “Oh, so this is a thought! It’s showing a sort of inner movie of the Bahamas, and yet I can see it’s made out of some sort of nebulous thought-stuff.” That’s what it means to become fascinated with thought as thought.
    2. Take a neutral stance: As a thought arrives, don’t evaluate its content. There’s no need to assign a value to it such as, “this is a good thought or a bad thought.” For instance if a thought arrives that says, “I’m confused,” we needn’t assign a negative connotation to it. Just take it as a neutral experience. For example, consider the thought to be like a pad of paper with the message “I’m confused” written on it. We could say that the pad of paper is primary to the message, meaning the pad of paper could be there with any message on it or no message at all. In that sense it’s neutral. When we see a thought as a thought, we have this opportunity to perceive its neutrality. It’s when we believe a thought points to some reality “out there” that we begin to struggle with polarity. As you practice with one thought at a time, you will get better at perceiving this neutrality.
    3. Clarify the thought. This step can take a bit of practice because we usually have a dynamic relationship with thought inside consciousness. We tend to move past certain thoughts that are uncomfortable or partially unconscious. This is even more marked when we are feeling restless and our monkey-mind is swinging from branch to branch so quickly that we’re not fully aware of what thought branches it’s swinging from. So slow down. Take one thought at a time as it arrives. Once you recognize a thought (whether conceptual, auditory, or visual image), try to clarify it a bit. If it’s conceptual you can speak it in your mind. If you think of this like watching a slide show of thoughts on a movie screen, you want to slow down the slides. Then you want to move closer to the screen and clarify exactly what that thought/image/slide is. As you get better at holding a single thought in your mind you might be surprised how simple and even relaxing it becomes. You might also be surprised that the closer you look at a thought the less substance it seems to have. This is analogous to walking so close to the screen that all you see are soft forms, shapes, and light.
    4. Notice how the thought feels like it’s about “Me.” The previous steps can become somewhat passive once you get the hang of them. This step requires active engagement with each thought, if only for a moment. This is because this step addresses the precise moment when we become unconscious, meaning the moment we become identified with thought. It’s a subtle transition, so we must train ourselves to recognize it if we ever want to finally be free of it. Here you may feel like you are doing a bit of detective work, but it’s essential to do it every time. Initially it can feel somewhat awkward, like you’re going against the habit force of the thought stream. What you’re really doing here is undermining a false perspective. The key is to observe the thought and identify the sense that this thought is about “me.” Let’s look at an example. Let’s say we become receptive to thought(step one). We turn our attention inward, and within a short time we are starting to form a visual memory of eating a sandwich 10 minutes ago. We remember thinking about what a good sandwich it was at the time we were eating it. As we become aware of this thought, we recognize, “Ok in this thought/memory there is a visual replaying of eating a sandwich. There is also self-dialogue saying it is a good sandwich eating experience. It is clear that this self talk occurred ten minutes ago. At this moment it is simply one thought in my mind, neither good nor bad.” This is step two. Now we clarify the visual experience of that thought, somewhat like we are squaring ourselves up to the internal movie screen and stepping closer (step 3). We notice the colors and textures of the room, the sandwich, and our hand holding it. We see the movement and recall the chewing as well as the internal dialogue, “What a delicious sandwich this is.” We see how peculiar it is that this is all made out of thought-stuff and yet it is quite vivid. Now for step four. In this step we recognize that this thought, this internal movie appears to be about me. It seems that I was the one eating the sandwich doesn’t it? Of course in the past I did eat a sandwich, but in this thought, it seems that it is referring to “me.” It’s not Joe or Jessica eating that sandwich. I understand this may seem so obvious as to be absurd, but it’s key to recognize that this thought clearly appears to refer to someone called “me.” In addition it seems and feels like this thought is occurring to “me.” This means that the sense of me is not only implied in the thought (the one eating the sandwich), but also it is implied by there being a thought at all. Let me explain. Not only does the thought appear to suggest it is about “me” as the star of the internal movie eating a sandwich, but it also suggests that there is a “me” that is interested in the thought at all. Can you see that distinction? More importantly can you find that sense with your own thought, whatever that is? It appears as if the thought is happening to a “me,” the thinker. It suggests a “me” right here and now that is aware of and viewing the thought. You could say it suggests a “me” in two different respects. One is a remembered me (as a thought subject). The other is an immediate me that is aware of that thought right in this moment. Can you feel into both of those? Is your internal experience starting to feel a bit different? Do you feel the edges of identity starting to soften or distort? If you do, that’s totally normal. If you don’t yet, it’s ok. Give this some practice and sooner or later those perceptual frameworks will start to loosen and fragment. If you’ve gone through this step along with me (using your own immediate thought experience) and you understand and can experience directly that a thought implies both a subject “me” which is the main character in the thought, as well as the immediate “me” which is the viewer/thinker of the thought, then you’ve completed step four. I know this can be confusing or disorienting at first, but it’s imperative to go through this process for this type of self-inquiry to really do its magic. It will get much simpler with a bit of practice.

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    5. Now, look for the “me.” All of the steps up until this one were preparatory steps. They are all necessary and you shouldn’t skip over them using this approach. However, they are merely a means to orient you properly for this final step. This step is very simple. Now that you have a sense that the thought you have become aware of is about “me,” look for that me. That’s it. The thought says there’s a me there that it’s about, right? Now look for it in your immediate experience. By that I mean don’t think about who/where/what that sense of me is. You have to look for evidence of it right in your experience. It helps to start by looking in the place where it feels like you are right now. Look right in the center of the one that feels like the “me” that thought was about. Do you find something there? Is there something definite you can identify and say, “There’s the ‘me,’ there’s exactly what I am?” If you can then what is it you found there? If you don’t find anything specific then just keep looking. Here are some common immediate results and how to navigate them:
    * You immediately start thinking again, “Well I know who I am, this practice is silly it doesn’t work for me...” When this happens, great! That is your next thought, start from step 2 with that thought and proceed through the inquiry. It doesn’t matter what the next thought is. If it is a thought it is obviously not you right? It can’t be you because you were there before that thought and you will be there after that thought, right? Also that thought says it’s about you so clearly it isn’t actually you. Lastly you are aware of the thought so it can’t be equivalent to what you are right? So just keep looking, and if a thought sucks you in then just start at step 2 with the new thought.
    * You totally forget what you’re doing. This is fine, it can be confusing to put the mind on the rack in this way. It’s not used to it. If at any point you’ve totally lost track of what you’re doing, find yourself daydreaming, etc, just start again at number one.
    * You go to look for the “me” that the thought says it’s about and can’t find it. It’s important to make a distinction here between the thought, “I can’t find it/I can’t find myself,” and a looking that just keeps on going with no landing on anything solid or specific. In the first case just start with that thought at step two again. If it’s the second case, the looking goes on and there is genuine curiosity even though nothing is found, then great! Just keeping doing that. You’ve figured out the point of self inquiry. If you find yourself in that pure looking but landing nowhere specific and there are no thoughts, you are doing pure self-inquiry. Just keep at it. Stay in the gap. It might happen for a few seconds at first. Then a thought will come. At that point, start at step two again. Over time you might go from several seconds to a few minutes or longer. The key is thoughtless looking. Neither rejecting thoughts nor getting entangled in their content. A pure movement of innocent curiosity. It might feel dynamic or it might feel quite still. Either is fine, just keep that looking going.

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    Fine tuning
    Once you get the hang of these steps and can move through them in a short time you will notice it’s not hard to get that thoughtless gap, even if it is for a short time. The following suggestions can help fine tune to that frequency of pure self-inquiry. It’s something like tuning a radio between stations. You neither land at this thought nor at that thought, yet you aren’t rejecting any thought. Perhaps it could be said that attention moves toward a thought so quickly that it has no time to fully form. Attention becomes the thought. Over time it will become far more spontaneous and relaxing to remain in this thoughtless gap of pure looking, pure knowing without thought, and pure being.
    - Recognize when another thought has emerged and has bound your attention. Often the thought will be about the immediate inquiry practice. This is often the moment we become re-identified with thought and don’t realize it, simply because the content of the thought is about the practice itself.
    - Reviewing the thought chapter may be helpful. Recognize that anything you can put into words is a thought. Also any image, even vaguely defined images, are thoughts.
    - You may have to reinvigorate your curiosity periodically, you don’t want to practice this mechanically.
    - You can use the body as a gauge to assure you are doing this in a non-straining (relaxed) manner. You can periodically put attention into various parts of the body just to see if you’re holding tension anywhere or straining. This is especially useful if the inquiry feels strained, frustrating, or tense. Once you get the hang of doing self-inquiry without straining it may not be necessary to check in with the body in this way.
    - Keep in mind that the pure looking in thoughtless gap doesn’t mean that you are out of contact with the stuff thoughts are made of (consciousness). It’s quite the opposite. It’s more like all of experience gets replaced by thought-stuff, which is also you-stuff. It’s all one endless continuum of pure conscious experience. The looking/questioning, the sense of you, the gap, and the thought stuff, are all the same substance.
    - Even though we’re using a question as a launch vehicle, we’re not looking for a specific arrival place, a conceptual understanding, or a certain pre-defined experience. We’re more interested in “settling in” to pure experience itself which is not apart from the experiencer. The pure experience is infused with curiosity and fascination. However it’s a satisfied curiosity, so it doesn’t require resolution like a typical question would.

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    Potential Pitfalls:
    - Asking “Who Am I?” or “Where am I?” and then looking around for a conceptual answer. This simply leads to more inner dialogue, thinking, and frustration.
    - Concluding “Oh there is no I/me/self.” This will lead to a dull inquiry with little interest in actually looking for the sense of “me.” The reason this happens is because we’ve become identified with the thought “There is no I/me/self.” When we are identified with that thought we don’t recognize it as just another thought. Another way of saying this is that when we adopt the belief, “There is no me/self,” the view from which that belief is held remains completely intact. The unseen (and assumed) sense of subjective self holds the view that there is no self. The self we are investigating is not a mere thought or belief. It’s a sense, frame of reference, or a feeling-assumption. So if you find yourself concluding this, you can recognize that conclusion as a mere thought. Then you can start at step two again using that thought.
    - We get frustrated. It doesn’t feel like anything is happening so we feel frustration, impatience, or even anger. If this occurs it doesn’t mean you’re doing anything wrong. In fact when we start digging into our identity, it’s common for emotions to come to the surface. If this occurs. Just take a breath and relax for a minute. Then acknowledge the emotion. Feel it in your body. See if you can relax any tension in the body associated with the emotion. Then look for the thought or belief associated with the experience. It might be something like, “I’m feeling frustration.” Then proceed with the inquiry starting with step two.
    - Staring at the thought/question “who am I?” endlessly without realizing that the one who feels like you doing this practice, and having a history, and a spiritual path etc, is what you are supposed to try to investigate. Whenever that dawns on you, look there!
    - Concluding that because you haven’t found an I or a self, there is no value in continuing to look. The non-conceptual looking is the point.
    - Being uncomfortable with the thoughtless state, then reengaging thoughts. This happens very frequently. When it occurs, we rarely realize that the mind re-engaged thought to avoid the fear response that can arise with thoughtless gaps. If we keep at self-inquiry, returning to the thoughtless gap again and again, we will often realize there is a certain fear associated with letting go of the addiction to thoughts. We are so used to clinging to the next thought, and then the next, that we often don’t recognize an underlying uneasiness that we are habitually using thoughts to avoid. If we persist in spite of any uneasiness or fear, then these emotions will settle with time and experience. If we just keep returning to this gap and remain there beyond the fear and physical responses, then things will start to change experientially. This is where magic can happen, but you have to stay in that gap.

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    1. Above I used the example of a thought about eating a sandwich. I started with a visual thought because they are the simple to describe. Let’s look at another example with a thought that is a bit more obscure. Let’s assume we start the self-inquiry process. We begin by becoming receptive to thought. We become aware of our inner thought-space and wait. After a short time we think, “Inquiry never works for me.” This is where the rubber meets the road. Many people will get exactly this far and give up. They give up by not recognizing that the thought “Inquiry never works for me” was their entry point. If you don’t catch it, and you believe that you were the thinker of that thought, you will give in to the stream of thoughts that follow. How do I know this happens so frequently? Well because people tell me. It’s common for someone to attempt self-inquiry and then report, “Every time I do inquiry it starts out well, but then I can’t get past...” Then they proceed to tell me the rest of the thought that bound them. I don’t blame them, the hypnotic pull of thought is far more powerful than most of us realize. When this happens I try as nicely as possible to point out that the thought that came up during self-inquiry saying “Every time I do inquiry it starts out well, but then I can’t get past...” was just a thought like any other. However at the moment they failed to recognize it as a thought, they hypnotized themself back into the thought stream and abandoned the inquiry process. So now that you have that background information let’s look at the thought, “Inquiry never works for me.” Step two is to take a neutral stance. If we believe this thought is a statement of truth, we might feel frustrated and might judge it as undesirable. However now that we’re out of the business of judging thoughts, we can regard it as neutral, because it is. It’s a thought like any other, in that it’s made of the same thought-stuff that every thought is made of. That thought-stuff is neutral in quality. The next step is to clarify it. Just repeat it once in your mind and annunciate the inner dialogue. “Self inquiry never works for me.” Can you see how it’s just like some mysterious substance of mind that can seemingly form internal sounds (dialogue) where there are none? That internal dialogue is clear somehow, but also not there at all. It’s also the same stuff that made up the sandwich thought isn’t it? Step four, notice this thought appears to be about “me.” In this case I think it’s more clear why this is important. It has to do with the story I told about how people commonly get this far and then end up getting dragged down the thought stream. If you don’t slow down enough and go through these steps then when a thought like this comes, it can really hooks you and take you for a ride. There is a certain momentum to our relationship with thoughts. The stepwise approach slows this momentum down enough to truly disentangle ourselves from thoughts. So when a thought like this catches us and drags us into the thought stream, such that we abandon the entire process of self-Inquiry, it is because that momentum has caused us to take that thought as a statement of fact. We experience that thought as if it’s defining reality. Moreover, we take it as if it’s defining reality for “me.” The “me” becomes assumed and solidified when this momentum is ongoing. This is the step where we have an opportunity to truth-test the “me” that this thought claims to be about. So now let’s perform step 4. The thought was, “Self-Inquiry never works for me.” Now we recognize that the thought seems to be referring to “me.” In fact it states it directly doesn’t it? That’s the assumed me that is the subject of the thought. More importantly there is an assumed, felt “me,” that seems to be aware of that thought. This is the sense of the one that feels disappointed or frustrated if that thought is believed. Now we proceed to step five. Look for that “me.”You’ll notice that it isn’t in the thought. Why? Because clearly you don’t disappear when that thought subsides. Furthermore you were clearly here before that thought arose. So where else can you look? You can look where it feels like you are. What’s there? Well you might notice a sensation, such as a pressure in the head or a subtle feeling in some other part of the body. Is that you? Well the sense of you can be there when you aren’t noticing that specific sensation right? So just keep looking. Stay in that curiosity. Stay in the feeling of that place that seems to be aware of thoughts, seems to form thoughts, and yet is still there even when there are no thoughts for a moment. Stay here and you’ll be physically experiencing where the sense of you the thinker, the sense of the thoughts on the inner movie screen, and the gap between thoughts are all seamlessly one. Just stay there. It might feel dynamic and it might feel very still. It might feel both simultaneously. Once you “get” the feel of this you need do nothing more than stay right there. Stay there during meditation. Stay there as you get up from meditation. Stay with it through activities to the degree possible. Stay there any time you remember to return to that gap. See if you can carry it off into sleep and pick it up right as you awaken.

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    That’s about as detailed as I can muster for how that initial shift into unbound consciousness occurs. Just don’t share it outside of this group, it’s going into a book that hopefully will be published soon.

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    that is bloody awesome. thank you. from what book is that taken?

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    Ah, got it. Forget my other comment I saw this after 🙂 So what if you have no thoughts? I get almost no thought in meditation and with a small effort not much in the waking day

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但去觉悟无心
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“心在哪里?”,这是一个很好的问题。
当年二祖问达摩,“师父,我心不安,请为我安心。”达摩说,“把你的心拿来,我为你安。”二祖寻思良久,说“我找不到心。”达摩说,“我为你安好了。”
找不到心,是因为无心,了悟到本来没有心,就是把心安好,这就是最大安心。无心是最大的安心。
心本来是无的,于本来无心中妄生一个心、妄生一些心,这是众生烦恼痛苦、妄作妄为的开始。若能了悟本来无心,所作俱息,安即本然。
于一切时在诸法上,觉悟无心,觉悟有心,是真修行。无心是本然,有心是虚妄。有心皆虚妄,生死根结起,了达心不真,直通真道场。真道场者,无心之知境也。
去体会无心,能体会到无心,从前所作俱息,安心无为,始进诸佛之境界,开启佛法正修行。名为入佛门,修佛法,在此之前,只是造作,增诸业故。
一个人只有体会到本来无心,他才能真看到妄心生起,并了知妄心不真,他才能不为所动,他才能安心无为,任运自在,所作俱息的。在此之前,他的作为,只是造作,增自业力。譬如一个不会游泳的人掉进了水里,越挣扎,越折腾,越增进死因。如果他得到正确的教导,抱头静息,始得重生因缘。一个人修行佛法,得新生因缘,和这道理是一样的。
会游泳人教不会游泳人说,如果你掉进水里,不要恐惧挣扎,镇静,抱头屈膝,然后你就会有一个翻身;反转于水面,而后抱头静仰,等待人来救援。诸佛教掉进烦恼痛苦之水中的众生说,镇静,不要恐惧挣扎;止息,不要胡乱折腾——去觉悟无心;觉了无心,然后观察妄心生起,观察妄心不真,而后不为所动,安心无为,任烟波生灭,然后天水澄清,碧色万里。
你本来无心,见不必有心,闻不必有心,觉不必有心,知不必有心,譬如镜子无心可以照映万象,琵琶无心可以出诸乐声,你不必有心而见闻觉知。你若会无心而见闻觉知,即会诸佛之用心,菩萨之澄意,修行之妙道,自在之真味了。
初修行菩萨,籍由觅心,籍由觅心“了不可得”,去觉悟无心。由觉悟无心,而会诸佛之用心。
诸佛安住于无心,观察于妄心之生灭,然后不为所碍,如从林中过,片叶不沾身。妄心生灭不是个问题,如枝上花开花落不碍观树人吃喝玩乐。修行人但会无心,即会诸佛之密要。会得无心,即会诸佛之用心,菩萨之澄意,修行之妙道,自在之真味了。真实不虚。
无心之心,是真心,是道场,是净土,是佛国,是西方极乐世界,是诸佛之护教,菩萨之乐居,行者之慕往。能会无心,即会诸佛菩萨之秘密。能得无心,即到诸佛菩萨之驻地。
众生所谓心者,是思维,是分别,是较意,是想集,是绳之打结,是巾之挽扣,是水之起波,是烟之聚尘,是露之凝结,短暂之现有,如幻之空觉,看似有物存,扑之如捞月。如镜里花,看的,捻不得;如梦中之美人,见的,醒来之士抱不得。
诸修行者,但去觉悟无心,觉悟幻之妄起,能于自性里见有见无,见有心见无心,即见佛与众生,即会诸佛之内秘,菩萨之大教。即会修行,始趣安乐。
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 [11:45 PM, 12/19/2020] Soh Wei Yu: i didnt know yi nian xing zhe wrote this: 我吃着上帝,睡着上帝,用着上帝,坐着上帝,困了还躺在“床”——我的上帝身上。对我来说,那缔造我生活的每一个、每一种、每一位、每一面,都是我的上帝。
[11:46 PM, 12/19/2020] Soh Wei Yu: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5b4d23f60100ic0r.html
[12:05 AM, 12/20/2020] John Tan: 🤣🤣🤣
[12:05 AM, 12/20/2020] Soh Wei Yu: very funny hor
[12:05 AM, 12/20/2020] Soh Wei Yu: he has so many articles write the same style as you one
[12:05 AM, 12/20/2020] John Tan: Interesting
[12:05 AM, 12/20/2020] John Tan: Yeh
[12:06 AM, 12/20/2020] John Tan: Even Hong when Liang also
[12:07 AM, 12/20/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Ic.. yeah
[12:07 AM, 12/20/2020] John Tan: Some expressions are coincidentally same
[12:07 AM, 12/20/2020] John Tan: And y must it be expressed that way🤣🤣🤣
[12:08 AM, 12/20/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Lol yeah... 😂

 

“What is presence now? Everything... Taste saliva, smell, think, what is that? Snap of a finger, sing.  All ordinary activity, zero effort therefore nothing attained. Yet is full accomplishment. In esoteric terms, eat God, taste God, see God, hear God...lol. That is the first thing I told Mr. J few years back when he first messaged me 😂 If a mirror is there, this is not possible. If clarity isn't empty, this isn't possible. Not even slightest effort is needed. Do you feel it? Grabbing of my legs as if I am grabbing presence! Do you have this experience already? When there is no mirror, then entire existence is just lights-sounds-sensations as single presence. Presence is grabbing presence. The movement to grab legs is Presence.. the sensation of grabbing legs is Presence.. For me even typing or blinking my eyes. For fear that it is misunderstood, don't talk about it. Right understanding is no presence, for every single sense of knowingness is different. Otherwise Mr. J will say nonsense... lol. When there is a mirror, this is not possible. Think I wrote to longchen (Sim Pern Chong) about 10 years ago.” - John Tan from years back

 

“It is such a blessing after 15 years of "I Am" to come to this point . Beware that the habitual tendencies will try its very best to take back what it has lost. Get use to doing nothing. Eat God, taste God, see God and touch God.

Congrats.” – John Tan to Sim Pern Chong after his initial breakthrough from I AM to no-self in 2006,
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2013/12/part-2-of-early-forum-posts-by-thusness_3.html

“An interesting comment Mr. J. After realization… Just eat God, breathe God, smell God and see God… Lastly be fully unestablished and liberate God.” - John Tan, 2012

 

(Soh: Lest readers misinterpret that John is affirming a substantialist notion of a ‘God’, it should be noted that by the phase of Anatta realization, there is simply no more reifications or conceivings of a metaphysical ‘God’ or ‘Creator’ of any kind, and John was simply using the lingo of Mr. J to convey the complete absence of a background substratum of Presence and the total luminosity of Presencing-as-manifestation to Mr. J using Mr. J’s ‘esoteric lingo’. Even the word ‘Presence’ is not referring to some static entity here - ‘Presencing’ is perhaps a better term, for as James M. Corrigan wrote, “...Awareness is not something other than the “presencing” (i.e. naturing) of appearances. It is not a thing. It is not part of a thing. It is not an “aspect” of a process… ...it is the process—not some aspect of it”

 

[11:59 PM, 6/16/2020] John Tan: (On the See god, eat god… post) Don't underestimate this.  An insight as important as anatta post the insight. Focus on this part. It is very important, if you can Intuit the insight that lead to this, the rest is not important.  There are many intellectual obscurations and at times the mind is being block and just can't release itself.  Same insight but just can't apply it on different situation relating to different mental proliferation.  The Freedom and release from such an insight is not freedom from conceptuality but a freedom from seeing distinction thereby leading to a direct authentication.  Because it is such an important insight, I will write something for you maybe later.  Focus on it diligently.





Compare with chinese article by Yi Nian Xing Zhe:

 http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5b4d23f60100ic0r.html

上帝是什么?

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问:什么是上帝?

 

很显然,上帝是一切。上帝是花、草、树木,每一粒沙,每一撮尘土,每一丝光。没有什么不是上帝。上帝遍布每个存在,它在空间上一处也不遗漏,它在时间上一刻也不间断,上帝缜密在整个宇宙上帝是物质也是密度,是精神也是觉受。

 

我生活在上帝的世界:我吃着上帝,睡着上帝,用着上帝,坐着上帝,困了还躺在“床”——我的上帝身上。对我来说,那缔造我生活的每一个、每一种、每一位、每一面,都是我的上帝。我不得不敬重它们,因为它们以不可改变的坚定,热爱着、支持着我的存在,它们组成了我的世界、我的生活我的生命。

 

我是一个热爱上帝的人,我热爱它的每一种样子、每一个身份、每一次表现、每一贡献。我毫无条件的热爱,因为它是纯粹的仁慈。如果没有我给我制造痛苦,我一直享受在上帝无条件供奉的天堂世界里。那儿一切都有,一切满足,我感恩上帝照料和承托。

 

认识上帝的世界,始于从“我”的梦中醒来。我面见每一上帝和上帝的每一张脸,我时刻和它面对面,在与上帝零距离的爱里,我收获喜悦,我流出感恩,我不得不变成谦卑本身,我没有别的路子。花朵不得不开放,水不得不往下流,上帝手指之处,是我的归处、我的方向和我的目标。我听从上帝的,我沿着河流的方向走。

 

上帝是看得见的一切,上帝是听得见的一切,上帝是闻得的见一切;上帝是品尝到的一切,上帝是感触到的一切,上帝也是每一种想象、每一个念头、每一串故事。上帝即在内在,也在外在。上帝在我六根通行的道路上。上帝遍布生命所可到达、所可去往、所能觉知的一切时处。

 

这是一个上帝的世界,你造了它。你创造了上帝,然后上帝创造了你,然后你们共同创下了一切。这是一个美好的世界,认识“上帝即我,我是一切”是个有趣的故事。借着上帝提供的镜子:花、草、树木、一切,让心认出它层出不穷的脸或面孔。活着是一个逐渐认出自己,并不断自己无穷模样的过程,多么丰盛,生命!上帝固定,但它永远在变化中,因为心在变。

 

你了解心和上帝吗?这是了解的终点。一旦了解上帝和心,你就再也不须知道更多,因为你一切得到满足,而“存有”比你需要的还多。认识上帝和心,这是生命最无穷之奥妙。多么美好,生而能知,生而有觉。

 

 

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What is God?
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Question: What is God?

 

Obviously, God is everything. God is flowers, grass, trees, every grain of sand, every pinch of dust, every gleam of light. Nothing is not God. God is pervasive in every existence, it does not leave out any place in space, it is uninterrupted in time, and God is meticulous in the entire universe. God is matter and density, spirit and perception.

 

I live in the world of God: I eat God, sleep with God, use God, sit with God, and lie on the "bed"-my God when I am sleepy. To me, every one, every kind, every person, every aspect that created my life is my God. I have to respect them because they love and support my existence with unchangeable firmness. They make up my world, my life, and my life.

 

I am a person who loves God, I love every look, every identity, every performance, and every contribution of it. I love it unconditionally, because it is pure kindness. If it were not for me to inflict pain on me, I would always enjoy being in the heavenly world unconditionally worshipped by God. There is everything there, everything is satisfied, I am grateful for God's care and support.

 

Knowing the world of God begins when I wake up from my "me" dream. I meet every god and every face of God, and I face it face to face at all times. In the zero-distance love with God, I reap joy, I am grateful, I have to become humble, and I have nothing else. Way. The flowers had to open, the water had to flow down, where God’s finger was my home, my direction and my goal. I obeyed God, I walked in the direction of the river.

 

God is everything you can see, God is everything you can hear, God is everything you can smell; God is everything you taste, and God is everything you feel. God is also everything you imagine, every thought, every A string of stories. God is both inside and outside. God is on my six passages. God is everywhere in life, where you can reach, where you can go, and where you can be aware.

 

This is a God's world, you made it. You created God, then God created you, and then you created everything together. This is a wonderful world, and it is an interesting story to know "God is me and I am everything". Through the mirror provided by God: flowers, grass, trees, everything, let the heart recognize its endless faces or faces. Living is a process of gradually recognizing yourself and constantly admiring your infinite appearance. How rich, life! God is fixed, but it is always changing because the heart is changing.

 

Do you understand the heart and God? This is the end of understanding. Once you understand God and your heart, you no longer need to know more, because you are satisfied with everything and the "being" is more than you need. Knowing God and the heart is the most infinite mystery of life. How beautiful it is to be born to know and to be conscious.