This Heart (Suchness) Free from Taints

 

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    How incredible; how amazing; that emptiness is intertwined with compassion.

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    André A. Pais
    Intertwined may not be the best term. It sounds like 2 things brought together.


    • Geovani Geo
    Which term would you use?


    André A. Pais
    No term is perfect, but perhaps inseparable, one with, of one taste, etc. Intertwined is a very visual thing, like 2 strings spinning around each other. Imo. I'm not native of the English language.

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    • Geovani Geo
    Neither am I.


    • John Tan
    Geovani Geo y incredible and amazing?


    • Geovani Geo
    John Tan, well.... I did not expect you to ask that... so lets say its a special koan just for you 🙂


    • John Tan
    Geovani Geo lol. Usually ppl only say it is "incredible" and "amazing" due to "inseparability" or "interwined" because it was once thought to be distinct and separated.
    The buddhist term used is "non-arisen" in the sense that "separation" never existed in the first place; therefore compassion is not the result of realizing emptiness, not a cause-effect relationship.

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    • Geovani Geo
    Maybe we mean the same although what you wrote sounds a bit too 'mental'. And whatever I could say will also sound 'mental', but...
    Emptiness has a heart - amazing!


    • John Tan
    Geovani Geo Emptiness is for us to realize this heart (suchness) free from taints (essence, references) other than that, it has no purpose. It is not exactly a mental enterprise, quite contrary, it is the cessation of such proliferated activities.
    The direct and simultaneity pointing to one's "heart" is another approach. The issue is when practitioners authenticate suchness pre-maturely with such approach without seeing through emptiness of "named phenomena", they ended up fooling and losing themselves in wonderland.

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    • Geovani Geo
    Of course, emptiness has no purpose. Even conventional space has no purpose. The moment "emptiness" gives raise to intellectual fabrications of any kind its already wonderland. The farther I can go with this right now, without any reference to any 'school' or 'teaching', is to say that 'emptiness' is the realization of absolute lack of references as time or location.
    "Emptiness has a heart", is not pointing to any specific area of the body, its not some tantric teaching or approach. It is a an insight that occurred here regarding the all-good intent of impersonal suchness. But now, again, 'all-good' and 'intent' have no known moral or causal connotations that the localized conditioned mind could deal with in any way.


    • John Tan
    Geovani Geo what is the "emptiness" u r talking about?


    • Geovani Geo
    The question made using a 'what', makes no sense, John. As I wrote above: "The farther I can go with this right now, without any reference to any 'school' or 'teaching', is to say that 'emptiness' is the realization of absolute lack of references as time or location."


    • John Tan
    Geovani Geo don't be immobilized. It will lead u nowhere. Emptiness is not to mislead u into a position where one can't clearly discern left from right. It is clear and conventions has valid connotations.

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    • John Tan
    Geovani Geo if however u r referring to direct pointing to one's mind that is a different matter.


    • Geovani Geo
    What do you mean by "don't be immobilized"?


    • John Tan
    Geovani Geo just let it be.


    • Geovani Geo
    But the realization of emptiness, of its natural unborn heart is tantamount to total 'letting it be'. It is the opposite only if 'emptiness' becomes conceptual.


    • Geovani Geo
    About "mind', it depends on the meaning, right? It can refer to the conditioned ground of the localized 'human', or the ineffable empty ground of all there is.

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Reality Free of the Three Spheres

 

    John Tan

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    Another spontaneous expression by André A. Pais from the burst of joy of the unconditioned free from all elaborations. Enjoy! 🤪👍
    In ignorance, it is understood that phenomena originate dependently upon confusion;
    Upon thorough de-construction, dependent arising is recognised as the conventional expression of spontaneous presence and natural perfection!
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    Reality is naturally untainted by the three spheres of subject, object and action. As Maitreya said:
    "Any thought of ‘subject’, ‘object’ and ‘action’
    Is held to be a cognitive obscuration."
    There is no knower, known or knowing; no seer, seen or seeing; no perceiver, perceived or perception.
    There is no knowing, seeing or perception, and yet appearances spontaneously radiate with a light of their own. This vivid clarity is the mind's nature arising as dependent origination. So, don't look inside seeking the nature of awareness - it is the moon itself, rising from behind the clouds.
    It's like this that Dōgen is able to drop body and mind, and become actualized by the myriad things. Free from knower, known and knowing itself, there is no trace of awakening - for there is no sentient being to become awakened, nor insentient rock to remain asleep. And yet, this no-trace unfolds endlessly, for it is characteristic of the natural state that its radiance spontaneously manifests.

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    Anurag Jain
    But the question is how do these expressions come from André A. Pais when he admits that he is not enlightened.


    John Tan
    Anurag Jain "unenlightened or enlightened" are both unimportant conventional notions as compared to the peaceful joy of non-attachment to these notions.


    • Anurag Jain
    John Tan lol. So no point working for nirvana. Nirvana and Samsara are known as one only when one attains Nirvana. Not before. Non attachment to Nirvana comes after attaining Nirvana.
    Anyways I know André A. Pais is a good friend of yours so you support him in every way.


    • Anurag Jain
    John Tan mere conceptual articulation does not help anyone attain peace. As a friend, I would warn someone against it rather than promote it.


    • André A. Pais
    I agree with you Anurag Jain, especially your last sentence.
    But, as we say in portuguese, even a broken clock is on time twice a day. Even unenlightened folk have their moments of direct insight, regardless of their personal limitation.


    • Geovani Geo
    Anurag Jain, but then, who is there to be enlightened?

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    • Anurag Jain
    Geovani Geo the appearance gets enlightened. Samsara and Nirvana are both appearances.


    • Geovani Geo
    Yes. Light shines over conditioning, or perhaps using Buddhist lingo, over the field of DO. Besides, only self sees other selfs.


    • Geovani Geo
    "Even a broken clock is on time twice a day" 🙂 🙂 🙂
    Never heard that one here in Brazil. I'll introduce it.


    • André A. Pais
    Geovani Geo "até um relógio parado está certo duas vezes por dia." Don't you have that saying in Brazil?

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    • Geovani Geo
    Not that one - that I know about it.







    • Geovani Geo
    An interesting phrase my eyes just happened to stumble on. Its from some old Chan text:
    "The calm radiance does not shine but there is nothing it does not shine on."

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