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In my Facebook group "Dharma Connection" there happens to be many Dzogchen practitioners around so I posted this as it may interest them as I think it may also interest you as a reader. I've also posted some comments by Thusness below. (note: Thusness is not a Dzogchen practitioner so whatever he said need not be indicative of Dzogchen, just the practice and experience between us)
Also, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu writes in his book "Dzogchen Teachings"
It is through this Tsal Energy that our manifestation of pure and impure vision, and our particular karmic vision, arises. We are now human beings, and we have human vision. We perceive our environment dualistically, splitting it into an apparent reality of a perceiving subject separated from a world of external objects. But in fact everything we perceive is like the rainbow lights, which have their source in the rock crystal when it is struck by the sun’s rays. If we see a five-colored rainbow, this means that we perceive the pure dimension, pure vision. When the essence of the elements combines together with our karma,then the elements manifest on the material level, creating impure vision. Thus, the source of karmic vision is this aspect of Energy known as Tsal; but this same Tsal Energy, through certain practices particular to the Dzogchen teaching, such as Thödgal and Yangti, gives us the possibility of reintegrating our material existence, and of finally realizing the Rainbow Body.
Thusness said to me:
"As I suspected (thumbs up) I mean the rainbow body. That can only be done after realization of twofold emptiness and intensity of luminosity into the three states (waking, dreaming, deep sleep)... you are doing pretty well. The integration has been progressing well of the non-dual bliss into your deep sleep state, in view of the short period after your realization of anatta. The inner core must completely disappear and the intensity of luminosity must heighten... Sensations will become transparent and crystal sharp clear.
At present the core center is gone... You write too much and have too little rest. Your mind must have enough time to rest in non-conceptuality of the 6 entries and exits. Otherwise it will not be easy for you to penetrate further. After realizing the twofold emptying there is no more boundaries between mind, appearances and apparent objects and experience becomes seamless... All is mind or this integrated activity. Then we should actualize and integrate this realization.
In touching, both subject and object are both emptied and deconstructed into a single activity of touch and the intensity of luminous clarity must be strong... is it strong now? Or just like passing thoughts with no intensity.
Now penetration of the 3 states is only supported by the strength of your view and realization, not by the intensity of your non-conceptual experience.Update:
"In essence rainbow body is a realization..." Maybe actualization of realization (would be better), in essence it is an actualized state."
my comment: Dzogchen practitioners use the term 'Realization' differently than I and Thusness, 'Realization' could mean something like full actualization or Buddhahood for them and not just an initial insight/recognition/experience.
Also what Thusness said here may be unrelated to Dzogchen rainbow body and is just a personal advise.
Someone wrote:
"I believe Malcolm Smith, Many texts state the "physical body reverts to the essence of the elements as rainbow light and disapears." Also there is a great deal of writing by many such as Longchenpa that describe the difference between the "vanishment of the physical body" between trekchod, rainbow body as "jalus" and "phowa chenpo" the Great Transfer. This is the goofiest of Malcolm's posts that I have ever read... Am I missing something?"
Malcolm replied:
"Rainbow body where the body shrinks and disappears is a sign of incompletely finishing the fourth vision in this life."
Bodies shrinking isn’t necessarily rainbow body. The actual rainbow body is something that is imperceptible to others. It means the practitioner has completely reverted their five elements into the five lights of jñāna. This cannot be seen by beings like us with afflicted karmic vision. The person who has attained rainbow body, will appear to us, as just a normal person with a normal body.
Interesting that Thrangu Rinpoche attained rainbow body/Buddhahood. I enjoy reading his teachings very much.
From an email I received:
Thrangu Rinpoche's Passing
Namo Buddha Publications
The Miracle of Thrangu Rinpoche's Passing
Thrangu Rinpoche was in the hospital in June, 2023 and being quite ill, he asked to return to his Namo Buddha Monastery. There he went into meditation posture and passed away on June 4th doing the Rainbow Body (jalung) which is done only by advanced practitioners. His heart and breathing stopped and he remained in this position for four days. His skin was fresh and there were no signs of deterioration. There are two kinds of Rainbow Body: one in which the lama vanishes into thin air leaving behind only hair and fingernails, and the other is for the body to shrink. Thrangu Rinpoche's body began to shrink in perfect proportion, which included his bones, to less than his half size. These are pictures that I took at Thrangu Rinpoche's cremation on November 4, 2023.
1VRL Entrance to Namo Buddha complex Photo 1&2. Namo Buddha is about 20 miles from Kathmandu, the capital of Nepal. Thrangu Rinpoche had his attendant, Lekshe buy the land from a Nepali farmer. Namo Buddha is the third most sacred Buddhist spot in all of Nepal where a previous Buddha gave his flesh to a starving tigress.
2VR. Namo Buddha Thrangu Rinpoche's monastery is very large with a large shrine room quarters of over 100 monks. This dining hall is to the left. There were 2,000 persons from all over the world attending the cremation
3VR. Front of Shrine Room Photo 3: This is the large shrine room at Namo Buddha where practitioners went up and made offerings and bowed their head on the edge of the shrine. The kundun with yellow curtains is where Rinpoche’s body is the square box on the shrine which is about two feet square and three feet high.
4VR. Closeup of Kundun Photo 4: This is a close up of the kundun and the yellow brocade was lifted a little on the last day when I took this picture.
5VR. Cremation ground Outside Photo 5 This is the outside of the area where the cremation took place. The white coverings were to protect the audience and the four Rinpoche’s from the four lineages who sat in each of the four directions of the crematorium. This stadium had over a 1,000 chairs. This area specially prepared held 2,000 people and was just a short walk from the monastery. You can see trees covering the whole mountain that Vajra Vidya is on.
6VR. Cremation Ground inside Photo 6 I did my knowledgeable estimation of the number who attended and came up with 2,000 people. A staff member who said that is what they also estimated.
7VR. Crematorum Photo 7and 8. This is the crematorium which had four opening in each direction. There was a procession of high lamas and monks carrying the kundun in and then placing Rinpoche’s body in the crematorium.
8VR. Placing Body in creamatorum Here we can see one of the lamas helping place the body in the crematorium.
9VR. Burning of body Photo 9. At 10:30 the fire was lit and sacred grass, oils, and precious substances were added to the burning body. It burned for about an hour. 3 days later the ashes will be recovered to see if there are any relics among them.
10. Body in Crematorium Photo 10: Through one of the four holes in the crematorium, you can see Thrangu Rinpoche’s body. My camera is not that good, but it looks to me like he is facing (north) toward us and has an elaborate headdress on.
11VR. Mahkala Rock decorated hoto 11: I almost forgot. There was a large black rock that Thrangu Rinpoche identified as being Mahakala or representing Mahakala (I am not sure) but they dug it up and turned it over and displayed it very prominently at the cremation.
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John Tan/Thusness talked positively about Thrangu Rinpoche's teachings since the very first year I talked with him, back in 2004. He also recommended me to read his books.
2007:
(10:39 PM) Thusness: there are so many good articles and clarity in writings and explanations by some tibetan guru.
(10:39 PM) AEN: icic like who
(10:39 PM) Thusness: thrangu rinpoche
(10:40 PM) Thusness: there are quite a few but i forgotten who..
(10:40 PM) Thusness: read them b4 on the web.
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That's all non-sense, I don't see anything that makes sense to me through my experience of meditation and increasing realization of my Rainbow nature of the physical.
The Rainbow Body can be achieved through natural meditation and it is only the Physical Body becoming what it should be without all the negative shit and blocking around the Chakras.
Once All Chakras are secured and quite open, then your Rainbow Nature will increase in its natural obviousness. Then you will get a body made of rainbow Light which is extremely powerful and blissful.
I don't believe a bit about this guy being Guru Rinpoche and if he is, then I don't understand him and I would lose respect for him but I feel Guru Rinpoche much smarter than these words.
The Soul is Consciousness, it is the Individual, how can you say "no consciousness"?
The Soul is with us forever, it is us as our individual then the Body can be with us forever too as its purest form which is the Rainbow Body. So the Soul will have its greatest desire: to enjoy a body forever, to have Life with forever and Death... bye bye.
My 2 cents, good luck folks.
Hi Salomon,
First of all, rainbow body in Dzogchen may not be what you have in mind.
Secondly it seems that you are speaking from the I AM insight, but not yet the empty nature of Presence. "No consciousness" is a central Buddhist teaching taught in Heart Sutra. It does not mean there is no consciousness in the sense of being inert or insentient, but that consciousness is empty of self.
See http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com.au/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
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I entered Rainbow Body once. What is it? I am still alive.
That's not rainbow body. Rainbow body is a permanent realization.