In 2007, Thusness wrote, "David Loy has a strong clarity in the meaning of non-dual, no-self. He would be a good candidate to put it in philosophy terms and discussions. I think not many can, in terms of academia, though I prefer not to discuss too much about it. Non-dual is about the intuitive experience and the immediate quality free of all descriptions. After the initial experience, we will still have the temptation to try make it clear to conventional thoughts but this will eventually prove futile. It will come a time where one stops all sorts of arbitrary thoughts and discussion and just this experience, that is free of background and right directly into the crystal clear manifestation. Just the experience alone, but it is still a good book though in terms of academic. I would think the understanding is better than ken wilber. :) ... file them up and try to get David Loy's book. It is difficult to get good and clear writer about non-duality and emptiness. Many explained wrongly. And those that truly experienced, do not want to talk about it, so treasure these articles. :) ...he is quite good from the stand point of an academician....and as a non dual experiencer..."
Thusness also commented in 2008:
(2:37 PM) Thusness: david loy wrote pretty well about non-dual but missed it. He under-estimated the teaching of Bahiya Sutta.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: And remarked that it is not clear that buddha spoke of non-dual experiences.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: That is a wrong concept.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: in fact it is most clear that Bahiya Sutta taught the peak of non-dual experience.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: That is the correct view.
(2:39 PM) Thusness: But David Loy present a very good foundation for one to understand non-dual experience.
(2:39 PM) Thusness: It is difficult to find such explanation in words.
Recently found out that David Loy is putting up his book Nonduality in PDF format for free reading.
http://www.davidloy.org/writing.html
Nonduality: A Study in Comparative Philosophy (New Haven, Conn: Yale University Press, 1988). A softcover edition was published by Humanities Press in 1997. A German language edition was published as Nondualitat by Kruger Verlag in 1998. A Spanish language edition was published as No-dualidad by Kairos Press in 2000.
Focuses on the nonduality of subject and object in Buddhism, Vedanta, and Taoism, with reference to Western thinkers including Wittgenstein, Heidegger and William Blake. The main argument is that these three Asian systems may be understood as different attempts to describe the same experience. The categories of Buddhism (no self, impermanence, causality, eightfold path) and Advaita Vedanta (all-Self, time and causality as maya, no path) are “mirror images” of each other. Ultimately it becomes difficult to distinguish a formless Being (Brahman) from a formless nonbeing (shunyata). Buddhism seems to be a more phenomenological description of nonduality, Vedanta a more metaphysical account.
Note from author: I am pleased to announce that Wisdom Publications will be publishing a second edition of this book in 2019.
Thusness also commented in 2008:
(2:37 PM) Thusness: david loy wrote pretty well about non-dual but missed it. He under-estimated the teaching of Bahiya Sutta.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: And remarked that it is not clear that buddha spoke of non-dual experiences.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: That is a wrong concept.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: in fact it is most clear that Bahiya Sutta taught the peak of non-dual experience.
(2:38 PM) Thusness: That is the correct view.
(2:39 PM) Thusness: But David Loy present a very good foundation for one to understand non-dual experience.
(2:39 PM) Thusness: It is difficult to find such explanation in words.
Recently found out that David Loy is putting up his book Nonduality in PDF format for free reading.
http://www.davidloy.org/writing.html
Nonduality: A Study in Comparative Philosophy (New Haven, Conn: Yale University Press, 1988). A softcover edition was published by Humanities Press in 1997. A German language edition was published as Nondualitat by Kruger Verlag in 1998. A Spanish language edition was published as No-dualidad by Kairos Press in 2000.
Focuses on the nonduality of subject and object in Buddhism, Vedanta, and Taoism, with reference to Western thinkers including Wittgenstein, Heidegger and William Blake. The main argument is that these three Asian systems may be understood as different attempts to describe the same experience. The categories of Buddhism (no self, impermanence, causality, eightfold path) and Advaita Vedanta (all-Self, time and causality as maya, no path) are “mirror images” of each other. Ultimately it becomes difficult to distinguish a formless Being (Brahman) from a formless nonbeing (shunyata). Buddhism seems to be a more phenomenological description of nonduality, Vedanta a more metaphysical account.
Note from author: I am pleased to announce that Wisdom Publications will be publishing a second edition of this book in 2019.