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Chappell IsomSoh Wei Yu do you have any pointers for second path realization/dealing with the fetters of craving and aversion?Soh Wei YuAdminChappell Isom It's late here and I'm going to do some meditation and rest.But first of all, before speaking about the further paths which I can perhaps another day, John Tan, Yin Ling, myself, and most other members and admins I know, do not agree with either 1) Daniel Ingram's definition of stream entry and 4 paths, which defines stream entry as a fruitional blackout cessation, third path/anagami as nondual, fourth path/arahantship as anatta, nor, 2) kevin schanilec's teachings, which mixes fetter model with 'overcoming layers of duality and self', which goes like this: stream entry is impersonality, anagami is roughly nondual and arahantship is just anatta.In both models, their arahantship is simply AtR's anatta realization, aka Thusness Stage 5, etc. To us, impersonality and nondual does not even reach the sutta's stream entry (and I have read thousands of pages of the pali canon suttas so I am very clear that stream entry actually refers to the anatman realization and the end of self view includes all substantialist nondual views as well as being an eternal witness and so forth, therefore anything short of anatman realization will not meet the criteria of ending the self view which is achieved by a stream entrant).See my article: https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../different-degress... -- Different Degress of No-Self: Non-Doership, Non-dual, Anatta, Total Exertion and Dealing with PitfallsYou should read this to have a better understanding of what we understand here as 'stream entry': https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/igored/insight_buddhism_a_reconsideration_of_the_meaning/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf%20 and https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../insight-buddhism...What some of those teachers I mentioned, that calls "arahantship" is simply what we here consider to be "stream entry", and I say this with certainty backed by the scriptures and what the realized Buddhist masters taught.I apologize if I have told you this before, as I speak to too many people and lose track of who and what I spoke to/spoke with and spoke on.Soh Wei YuAdminAlso, not going to write anything more as its late, but will paste some excerpts from Kyle Dixon because I can relate:"...The anatta definitely severed many emotional afflictions, for themost part I don't have negative emotions anymore. And either the anattaor the strict shamatha training has resulted in stable shamatha wherethoughts have little effect and are diminished by the force of clarity. I'm also able to control them, stopping them forany amount of desired time etc. But I understand that isn't what isimportant. Can I fully open to whatever arises I would say yes. Iunderstand that every instance of experience is fully appearing toitself as the radiance of clarity, yet timelessly disjointed andunsubstantiated.." - Kyle Dixon, 2013“The conditions for this subtle identification are not undone until anatta is realized.Anattarealization is like a massive release of prolonged tension, this is howJohn put it once at least. Like a tight fist, that has been tight forlifetimes, is suddenly relaxed. There is a great deal of power in theevent. The nature of this realization is not often described intraditional settings, I have seen Traga Rinpoche discuss it. Jñāna isvery bright and beautiful. That brightness is traditionally the “force”that “burns” the kleśas.Thereservoir of traces and karmic imprints is suddenly purged by thiswonderful, violent brightness. After this occurs negative emotions aresubdued and for the most part do not manifest anymore. Although this iscontingent upon the length of time one maintains that equipoise.” - KyleDixon, 2019“Prajñā “burns” karma, only when in awakened equipoise. Regular meditation does not.” - Kyle Dixon, 2021Soh Wei YuAdminKyle Dixon's writings are all worth reading, such as https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../advise-from-kyle... and https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../a-sun-that-never...Advice from Kyle DixonAWAKENINGTOREALITY.COMAdvice from Kyle DixonSoh Wei YuAdminCan you also tell us more about yourself, what are your progress and breakthroughs so far or insights etc.- Reply
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Mr M asked me yesterday, "“The everyday practice of dzogchen is simply to develop a complete carefree acceptance, an openness to all situations without limit.”
- Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, Dzogchen Practice in Everyday Life
Makes it sound simple
What do you make of this, Soh?"
Soh:
This is actually a text by chogyam Trungpa but endorsed by dilgo khyentse.
https://app.box.com/s/xegntds90q29m5a5f0nbeuiq9u4d6u4r
Chogyam trungpa has lots of controversy and his behaviour certainly isnt exemplary of a buddhist let alone a realised teacher
I myself have doubts whether he even realised anatta or just attained a state of no mind
Nonetheless john tan and i do like that text in the link above
This should be everyday practice after anatta
So what he said at least here is of value regardless of his level of realization and actualization"
Mr. M: "Oh wow, very interesting. I didn’t know the quote was from Chogyam Trungpa. In context it’s even better."