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Could anyone please offer their interpretation of this chapter of the Shōbōgenzō? I'm finding it difficult to fully conceptualize it, even though it makes intuitive sense. Thank you <3

Link the to the One Bright Pearl text by Dogen: https://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/004ikkam.pdf

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It is the direct experiential realization that one's radiance is the very transient stuff of the universe, none other than all of them. The author of Shobogenzo, Zen Master Dogen says, "Impermanence is Buddha Nature". He also said, “Gensha Shibi once said, “The whole universe throughout all its ten directions is the One Bright Pearl.” You need to clearly recognize the converse, which is that the One Bright Pearl is the whole universe throughout all its ten directions.”
- Zen Master Dogen, https://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/058jippo.pdf

On the radiance as forms of anatman (no self) , I wrote years ago:
http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2019/03/the-magical-fairytale-like-wonderland.html

"Strong and vivid radiance..

Even now the smell of food is standing out in intensity

...[sights have a] HD hypervivid quality...

...Actually more accurate description is magical and marvellous colors (as in the vivid 'textures' of what's called trees, sky, houses, people, streets, etc), sounds (as in the vivid 'textures' of a bird chirping, sound of traffic, etc), scents (as in the aromas of food, and plants, etc), etc. Complete perfection with a stark intensity...

Yet feels completely natural. Without slightest sense of distance or self/Self, even the tiniest details becomes starkly clear

This sense of perfection and magical radiance of everything is still there even when I'm physically tired and lack sleep on the previous night

By magical what I mean is a sense that there’s something very magnificent, almost like beauty but it is not beauty vs ugly and is not at all a subjectively imposed or affective feeling of beauty, but a sense of perfection.. like I look at the fly crawling on my skin, the fly is so completely perfect, like part of the paradise (note: this is different from Thusness's usage of the 'magical')
Like a ball of radiance, except radiance as none other than the boundless world of forms, colors, textures and sounds, that is the very radiance, for it is the world that is the radiance and nothing else. Not a subjective radiance standing apart from forms.

There is nothing subjectively imposed here.. when I say “sense of perfection” that is already not quite accurate as it conveys some subjectively imposed interpretation of perfection.. rather it is the world that is the perfection and each moment carries the flavor of perfection

Perfection being merely a qualitative description of the pristine state of consciousness/radiant forms, not an affective feeling of "it is perfect" but neither is it an objective characteristic of some inherently existing object (there is neither subject nor object as subject and object is conceptual)
But this state of consciousness is not just heightened clarity... it’s like even the trees swaying is marvelously and magically alive and life reveals its significance and meaning all around. I think this is what Richard calls “meaning of life”.

The emotional model of AF makes some sense"

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Driving around Singapore, it feels like I am experiencing Singapore for the first time.

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…But the best thing in terms of affect so far is that the constant apperception is such a joyful, clean, pristine state of appreciating the boundless and radiant world that there isn't room for unpleasant emotions like sadness, boredom, depression, etc. There is certainly no more "Monday blues" or any kind of "blues" at all. It make sense now in my experience when Richard says his days are one perfect day after another. Even lying on bed, looking at the ceiling, the sound of the humming and background noises is joyful. Any added entertainment on top of that perfection is just another addition on top of perfection."

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This state of apperception is effortlessly and naturally present from the very moment I wake up to the moment I sleep, for example when I wake up sometimes a sound is heard and I do not even know where I am (the body is lying on the bed but the mind hasn't cognized that on the very first moment of waking up) in contrast to the bird chirping or the fan humming as there is simply no 'I' to be located anywhere, there is only everything everywhere... it is almost as if I am at the sound of the bird chirping except there is no 'I' to 'be at' or 'be one with' the sound, there is only sound. The reflection of the orange rising sun over the window in the next building shines as vivid radiance with flawless perfection... the radiant energies courses through the body, energising and vitalising my day. All these informs me that it's going to be yet another perfect day in paradise even before I open my eyes. When driving, when walking, overlooking the long stretch of road over the horizon, there is no center, no reference-point, no center-of-reference, and no circumference... the whole universe is walking, is the walking, is the driving, where the movement of legs is not done or perceived by an 'I' (there is no doer, thinker, feeler, watcher, cognizer, being/Being whatsoever, only action) and this body is walking inseparably from the entire universe, it is not the case that there is a body here and a separate universe out there in which the body moves through.
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[21/3/19, 10:51:33 PM] John Tan: Be as light as feather and as immerse (Soh: immense?) as universe in taste.
[22/3/19, 12:03:41 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[22/3/19, 12:08:57 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Actually more accurate is magical and marvellous colors, sounds, scents. Complete perfection with an intensity like a psychedelic experience
[22/3/19, 12:08:59 PM] Soh Wei Yu: 🤣
[22/3/19, 12:09:26 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yet feels completely natural
[22/3/19, 12:10:49 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Without slightest sense of distance or self/Self, even the tiniest details becomes starkly clear
[22/3/19, 12:15:12 PM] Soh Wei Yu: This sense of perfection is there even though I slept less today
[22/3/19, 12:15:47 PM] John Tan: Magical is a form of insight due to emptiness...not just radiance
[22/3/19, 12:16:41 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[22/3/19, 12:20:14 PM] John Tan: Magical must come from like magic, illusion
[22/3/19, 12:33:10 PM] Soh Wei Yu: By magical what I mean is a sense that there’s something very magnificent, almost like beauty but it is not beauty vs ugly and is not at all a subjectively imposed or affective feeling of beauty, but a sense of perfection.. like I look at the fly crawling on my skin, the fly is so completely perfect lol
[22/3/19, 12:33:26 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Like part of the paradise
[22/3/19, 12:33:31 PM] John Tan: That to me is not magic
[22/3/19, 12:33:33 PM] John Tan: Lol
[22/3/19, 12:33:39 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Lol
[22/3/19, 12:33:40 PM] John Tan: What is so magic about it
[22/3/19, 12:33:47 PM] John Tan: It is just pce, radiance
[22/3/19, 12:34:05 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[22/3/19, 12:34:26 PM] John Tan: Intensity of radiance
[22/3/19, 12:34:48 PM] John Tan: Which is still within anatta
[22/3/19, 12:34:51 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah
[22/3/19, 12:34:57 PM] John Tan: Not the emptiness
[22/3/19, 12:35:00 PM] Soh Wei Yu: But now the emotional mode of AF makes more sense...
[22/3/19, 12:35:03 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic
[22/3/19, 12:35:17 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Model
[22/3/19, 12:35:18 PM] John Tan: Like a ball of radiance
[22/3/19, 12:37:24 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah.. the radiance is only the world
[22/3/19, 12:38:42 PM] Soh Wei Yu: There is nothing subjectively imposed here.. when I say “sense of perfection” that is already not quite accurate as it conveys some subjectively imposed interpretation of perfection.. rather it is the world that is the perfection
[22/3/19, 12:38:52 PM] Soh Wei Yu: It is the world that is the radiance and nothing else
[22/3/19, 12:39:59 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Perfection being merely a qualitative description of the state of consciousness, not an affective feeling But neither is it an objective characteristic of some inherently existing object
[22/3/19, 12:55:23 PM] John Tan: Like what I told u, the radiance cannot b overblown and understood properly
[22/3/19, 1:00:03 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[22/3/19, 1:22:50 PM] Soh Wei Yu: But this state of consciousness is not just heightened clarity.. I don’t know how to describe it.. it’s like even the trees swaying is mystically alive and magical.. I think I’m not describing well.. don’t know how to describe lol. I think this is what richard calls “meaning of life”
[22/3/19, 1:27:08 PM] John Tan: That is radiance
[22/3/19, 1:27:34 PM] John Tan: If u don't have those experience means ur intensity isn't there
[22/3/19, 1:27:48 PM] John Tan: Or u r not relax enough
[22/3/19, 1:27:58 PM] John Tan: Into wide openness
[22/3/19, 1:28:14 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[22/3/19, 1:28:19 PM] John Tan: Richard description doesn't have the wide openness
[22/3/19, 1:28:34 PM] John Tan: Feels rigid and forceful pce
[22/3/19, 1:29:40 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic.. it feels completely unforced here and natural.. like its naturally like this.. but I’ll try to relax into wide openness
[22/3/19, 1:30:05 PM] John Tan: yes u must relax into openness
[22/3/19, 1:30:18 PM] John Tan: That is y I asked u is it light or strong
[22/3/19, 1:31:18 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[22/3/19, 1:32:05 PM] John Tan: Rem when I was in Korea?
[22/3/19, 1:33:13 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah
[22/3/19, 1:33:30 PM] Soh Wei Yu: U had similar experience? When was it
[22/3/19, 1:34:07 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oh u said lightness
[22/3/19, 1:34:11 PM] John Tan: I have many episodes of energetic radiance experiences post anatta
[22/3/19, 1:34:46 PM] John Tan: Some is so strong that I have to sit and meditate even in public in Korea to calm it down...lol
[22/3/19, 1:34:52 PM] John Tan: Did I tell u that?
[22/3/19, 1:35:18 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oh u didn’t tell me.. lol
[22/3/19, 1:35:42 PM] John Tan: I thought I told u B4?
[22/3/19, 1:36:54 PM] Soh Wei Yu: U mentioned about openings but not about sitting down and meditating in public lol
[22/3/19, 1:37:14 PM] John Tan: I think I did
[22/3/19, 1:38:03 PM] John Tan: I sat and told my family members and relatives to go ahead first
[22/3/19, 1:38:06 PM] John Tan: Lol
[22/3/19, 2:03:09 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Lol..
[22/3/19, 4:16:56 PM] Soh Wei Yu: SUBSCRIBER NO. 19: Does universe is infinite a certainty now? And can you explain about how do you know it with so much certainty.
VINEETO: It has been a certainty for me for a long time, intellectually understood at first, that there can’t be a ‘something’ let alone a ‘nothing’ beyond the imagined borders of the universe and any such ideas were experientially confirmed in my PCEs as being nothing other than human imagination in operation. However, about a week ago, I clearly experienced this consciousness being without limits and the vast stillness of the infinite universe became fully apparent. I then experienced it as a fact that I am this infinite universe experiencing itself as a flesh-and-blood conscious human being. This experience occurred again today but is not yet an ongoing moment-to-moment experience. Richard reported that it took him several years to realize the full depth and purity of an actual freedom.
It’s still early days.
Cheers Vineeto
[22/3/19, 4:17:06 PM] Soh Wei Yu: - http://www.actualfreedom.com.au/directroute/19.htm
[22/3/19, 4:17:12 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Is this the openness u talk about
[22/3/19, 4:18:48 PM] John Tan: I read this b4.  This is what rechard called realising one's destiny if I m not wrong.
[22/3/19, 4:19:13 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic.. written by Vineeto who just attained actual freedom shortly before she wrote that
[22/3/19, 4:19:20 PM] Soh Wei Yu: But richard talks about it too
[22/3/19, 4:19:25 PM] John Tan: Yes
[22/3/19, 8:05:34 PM] John Tan: Unfortunately the total exertion cannot penetrate the 3 times due to artificially restricting it to "actual".
[22/3/19, 8:47:06 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic ya AF always emphasize Now too much lol
[22/3/19, 8:47:25 PM] Soh Wei Yu: I think I attained AF 🤣
[22/3/19, 8:50:09 PM] Soh Wei Yu: RICHARD: I am not saying that the lack of movement of time itself (aka durationless time/ eternal time/ beginningless and endless time) – as contrasted to time as a measure of the sequence of events (as in past/present/future) – has the quality of timelessness.
RESPONDENT: It [this stillness] ‘is’ the eternal now.
RICHARD: No ... the stillness of time itself is not the [quote] ‘eternal now’ [endquote] of religio-spiritual/ mystico-metaphysical lore.
RESPONDENT: The only moment there ever is.
RICHARD: This moment is the only moment there ever is.
RESPONDENT: It is infinite.
RICHARD: It is space which is infinite ... time is eternal (and matter is perdurable).
RESPONDENT: And I suppose it has other unique qualities that this relative mind (me) cannot imagine.
RICHARD: The stillness of time itself is absolute.
RESPONDENT: Therefore I am jumping to the conclusion that the stillness is not another object of consciousness like a bird or a plane.
RICHARD: The stillness of time itself is ascertained apperceptively (unmediated perception).
RESPONDENT: And that the stillness is an essential aspect of the world you inhabit.
RICHARD: The stillness of time itself, being a property of that arena (so to speak) in which events occur, is an essential property of this actual world ... the world of this body and that body and every body; the world of the mountains and the streams; the world of the trees and the flowers; the world of the clouds in the sky by day and the stars in the firmament by night and so on and so on ad infinitum.
RESPONDENT: Correct me if I am wrong, but do you claim that you (Richard) are the first person, and possibly the only person to have ‘seen’ the stillness?
RICHARD: No ... the stillness of time itself has been experienced by countless peoples during pure consciousness experiences (PCE’s).
RESPONDENT: That this ineffable state of purity and perfection is yours alone.
RICHARD: The pristine purity and peerless perfection of this actual world is neither ineffable nor mine ... it is readily describable and each and every body already lives in it.
RESPONDENT: That the universe waited all this time to reveal itself?
RICHARD: The purity and perfection of the infinitude this universe indubitably is has never been concealed, is not concealed, and never will be concealed ... it is perpetually out-in-the-open.
Have you never noticed it is never not this moment?
[22/3/19, 9:19:18 PM] John Tan: Lol
[22/3/19, 9:23:25 PM] John Tan: I m so 😖 of all these "I attained this and that".
[22/3/19, 9:23:41 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Hahaha
[22/3/19, 9:24:46 PM] John Tan: And to claim when u r not in their path of practice is  not appropriate.
[22/3/19, 9:24:58 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[22/3/19, 9:26:03 PM] John Tan: When we r rich internally, we should not b swayed by all these.
[22/3/19, 9:27:04 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic.. I hope next time got cross traditional terminologies lol. Actually I think that’s what we r doing
[22/3/19, 9:28:23 PM] John Tan: There r too much baggages.
[22/3/19, 9:29:28 PM] John Tan: I taught u view, experience and realization so that u can clearly see.  As for what attainment is not important.
[22/3/19, 9:29:54 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[22/3/19, 9:30:59 PM] John Tan: Many r confused with experience, view and the  realization of view.  Once u r clear, u can sort out many issues and the mind can rest.
[22/3/19, 9:31:18 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[23/3/19, 12:28:46 AM] John Tan: I knew sooner or later u will b experience that, just late by 2 years.
[23/3/19, 12:28:57 AM] Soh Wei Yu: :P
[23/3/19, 12:29:03 AM] Soh Wei Yu: oic..
[23/3/19, 12:29:35 AM] John Tan: Must learn how to relax
[23/3/19, 12:31:32 AM] John Tan: There is a description I told u about baby cry in plane
[23/3/19, 12:32:33 AM] John Tan: And the teaching abt tasting saliva, touching everything and feel the intensity of radiance
[23/3/19, 12:33:42 AM] John Tan: U should b having such experience if u r not engaged in too much thoughts.
[23/3/19, 12:33:56 AM] Soh Wei Yu: ic..
[23/3/19, 12:34:08 AM] Soh Wei Yu: i think i've always had it but just intensifying nowadays..
[23/3/19, 12:34:29 AM] Soh Wei Yu: its hard for me to pinpoint the trigger but i guess accumulated evolving conditions
[23/3/19, 12:34:48 AM] John Tan: Then center
[23/3/19, 12:35:01 AM] John Tan: The center


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Soh Wei Yu Thanks! I'm still a little unclear. It sounds like he is saying that what you call "magic" is just the radiance discovered in anatta, the wondrous mystical alive quality of everything. And then there is the "magic" of emptiness, which is different. Is that right?
In my own experience, the latter kind of "magic" is connected to the astonishing fact that anything appears at all, despite having no precondition by which to appear. At the heart of reality is pure paradox, and yet somehow despite that (or maybe because of it), there is ... THIS. Pure, mind-shattering impossibility.
Does any of that ring a bell?
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"Thanks! I'm still a little unclear. It sounds like he is saying that what you call "magic" is just the radiance discovered in anatta, the wondrous mystical alive quality of everything." Yes. "And then there is the "magic" of emptiness, which is different. Is that right?" Yes.
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In my own experience, the latter kind of "magic" is connected to the astonishing fact that anything appears at all, despite having no precondition by which to appear. At the heart of reality is pure paradox, and yet somehow despite that (or maybe because of it), there is ... THIS. Pure, mind-shattering impossibility."
This is not emptiness
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The magic that John Tan talks about is this emptiness, like a magician's trick, that Buddha taught: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_95.html
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Pheṇa Sutta (SN 22:95)
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On one occasion the Blessed One was staying among the Ayujjhans on the banks of the Ganges River. There he addressed the monks: “Monks, suppose that a large glob of foam were floating down this Ganges River, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a glob of foam? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any form that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in form?
“Now suppose that in the autumn—when it’s raining in fat, heavy drops—a water bubble were to appear & disappear on the water, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a water bubble? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any feeling that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in feeling?
“Now suppose that in the last month of the hot season a mirage were shimmering, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a mirage? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any perception that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in perception?
“Now suppose that a man desiring heartwood, in quest of heartwood, seeking heartwood, were to go into a forest carrying a sharp ax. There he would see a large banana tree: straight, young, of enormous height. He would cut it at the root and, having cut it at the root, would chop off the top. Having chopped off the top, he would peel away the outer skin. Peeling away the outer skin, he wouldn’t even find sapwood, to say nothing of heartwood. Then a man with good eyesight would see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a banana tree? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any fabrications that are past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing them, observing them, & appropriately examining them—they would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in fabrications?
SN 22:95  Pheṇa Sutta | Foam
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“Now suppose that a magician or magician’s apprentice were to display a magic trick at a major intersection, and a man with good eyesight were to see it, observe it, & appropriately examine it. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in a magic trick? In the same way, a monk sees, observes, & appropriately examines any consciousness that is past, future, or present; internal or external; blatant or subtle; common or sublime; far or near. To him—seeing it, observing it, & appropriately examining it—it would appear empty, void, without substance: for what substance would there be in consciousness?
“Seeing thus, the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones grows disenchanted with form, disenchanted with feeling, disenchanted with perception, disenchanted with fabrications, disenchanted with consciousness. Disenchanted, he becomes dispassionate. Through dispassion, he is released. With release, there is the knowledge, ‘Released.’ He discerns that ‘Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.’”
That is what the Blessed One said. Having said that, the One Well-Gone, the Teacher, said further:
“Form is like a glob of foam;
feeling, a bubble;
perception, a mirage;
fabrications, a banana tree;
consciousness, a magic trick—
this has been taught
by the Kinsman of the Sun.1
However you observe them,
appropriately examine them,
they’re empty, void
to whoever sees them
appropriately.
Beginning with the body
as taught by the One
with profound discernment:
When abandoned by three things
—life, warmth, & consciousness—
form is rejected, cast aside.
When bereft of these
it lies thrown away,
senseless,
a meal for others.
That’s the way it goes:
It’s a magic trick,
an idiot’s babbling.
It’s said to be
a murderer.2
No substance here
is found.
Thus a monk, persistence aroused,
should view the aggregates
by day & by night,
mindful,
alert;
should discard all fetters;
should make himself
his own refuge;
should live as if
his head were on fire—
in hopes of the state
with no falling away.”
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1. An epithet of the Buddha.
2. See SN 22:85.
See also: SN 35:193; AN 10:51
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The magic of emptiness is not that there is no preconditions, but that everything is dependently originating, appearing yet without substance, like a magic trick, a mirage, a reflection, a phantom, a rainbow. Magic.
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Appearing, but anywhere? Nowhere. With conditions, appears 'appear' magically. But unfindable, Conditions too are not truly existing but dependently designated and dependently originating. But emptiness is to be understood in terms of dependent origination.
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Listening to someone tutoring about "rainbow",
The teaching of science came to my mind.
The raindrops, the sunshine;
The light that enters and exits the droplets;
The reflection, refraction and light dispersion;
All these formed the rainbow.
But they missed the most important factor,
The radiance of our own mind.
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Rainbows need to have eyes in correct position, water droplets, light, radiant mind, all like so for rainbow to appear. Move slightly and rainbow is gone. Never came from anywhere, stayed anywhere, or went anywhere. The rainbow was insubstantial, but vividly displayed. All phenomena are like this.
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Look ahead and you see the table and your phone. Need "all like so" (tatha). Look behind you and that is gone, but now a new like so and not otherwise.
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Where is the flower?
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I was contemplating on dependent arising and emptiness this morning, follow on a conversation with a friend ytd.. my inquiry goes -
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When you see a flower,
ask, is the flower in my mind? is the flower out there apart from my mind? Is the flower in between mind and out there? where? where is the flower?🤨
When you hear a sound, ask,
Is the sound in my ear? in my mind? in my brain? in the radio? in the air? separated from my mind? is it independently floating? WHERE?🤨
when you touch a table, ask,
Is this touch, in my finger? in the table? in the between space? in my brain? in my mind? separated from mind? WHERE?🤨
Keep finding. See, Hear, Feel. The mind need to look to be satisfied. If not it keeps being ignorant.
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Then you will see, There was never a SELF , self in buddhism means independent thing - singular, independent, one, substantial THING sitting outside or inside or any where in this 'world'.
For the sound to appear, the ear, radio, air, waves, mind, knowing, etc etc etc need to come together and there's a sound. lack of one and there is no sound.
-this is dependent arising.
But then where is it? what really is this that you are hearing? so vivid of an orchestra! but where?! 🤨
-That is Emptiness.
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It's all just illusory. There, yet not there. Appear yet empty.
That is , the nature of reality.
You never needed to fear. You only wrongly thought it's all real.
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Yasmin El-Hakim
wonderful investigation
❤️🙏
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Rosina Marie
That last part though ❤🙏
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John Tan
Yin Ling Luminous appearance that does not exist (med pa gsal snang)
See whether u can find articles about "med pa gsal snang", I can't, maybe u can. 🤦
Where is the flower?
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Thanks Soh. I don't yet see the difference. You say:
> The magic of emptiness is not that there is no preconditions, but that everything is dependently originating
"Pre"conditions means some source or substance that is prior to appearance. Despite there being no such source or substance, appearance appears. As you say, this can only happen because things depend on each other. This is paradoxical, because circular dependencies should have no way to "bootstrap" themselves into (apparent) existence.
Anyway, don't mean to argue. I'm sure this will clarify as realization deepens.
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Ah I see. No background or source prior to appearance, just luminous appearance is simply anatta, the firstfold emptiness. Some deviate from emptiness view and rest at this level, without overcoming subtle reifications that can lead to something like AF's 'actual world'. But if you mean self and phenomena are both empty, all vivid appearances are empty yet appears, twofold emptiness, coalescence of emptiness and forms, emptiness and appearance, etc, then this is the 'magic' of emptiness.

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Aditya Prasad No worries and I didn't get the sense that you are here to argue. 🙂

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By Mipham Rinpoche from the Beacon of Certainty (see John Tan's book recommendation of this book here http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/03/book-recommendations-beacon-of-certainty.html)

Mipham:

 Topic 5

5.1 Which of the two truths is more important?

5.2.1.1.1 Some claim the ultimate is most important.

"Deceptive reality is a deluded perception," they say,

Understanding it as something to be abandoned.

"Ultimate reality is not deluded, so that ultimate

Is the perfectly pure view," they say.

5.2.1.1.2.1.1 If deceptive reality were not erroneous, were indeed true,

Ultimate reality could not be emptiness, so

They are expressed differently in this way.

5.2.1.1.2.1.2 However, no ultimate can be established

Over and against the deceptive;

The two of them are method and methodical result.

Without depending on an entity for examination,

Its nonsubstantiality cannot be established—

Therefore both substance and nonsubstance

Are the same in being mere relativity.672

5.2.1.1.2.2.1 If that clinging to emptiness

Were to fully exclude appearance,

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It would mess up Nagarjuna's fine system.

5.2.1.1.2.2.2 If by cultivating the path by that seeing of emptiness,

One were only to realize the expanse of emptiness,

Then one would have to accept that the

Sublime equipoise on emptiness

Would be a cause for the destruction of substantial entities.

5.2.1.1.2.2.3 Therefore, though things are empty from the beginning,

Appearance and emptiness are not separate things;

Adhering to the statement "Only emptiness is important"

• Is an unskilled approach to the final meaning.

5.2.1.2.1.1 Some people put aside the ultimate

And from the perspective of mere conventionality,

Differentiate the levels of the view in the tantric classes.

5.2.1.2.1.2.1 Viewing oneself as a deity conventionally

: Without complementing the view with the ultimate reality

of emptiness

And thus differentiating "higher" and "lower" teachings,

is incorrect.673

5.2.1.2.1.2.2 Without having confidence in ultimate reality,

Just meditating on deceptive reality as divinity

Is mere wishful thinking, not a view;

Just as some heretical awareness mantras

Involve visualizing oneself differently during recitation.

5.2.1.2.2.1 Some say deceptive reality is more important;

They say you must integrate the two truths,

But then they heap praise on deceptive reality.

5.2.1.2.2.2 At the time of maintaining the view of coalescence,

They desert coalescence and grasp a blank emptiness.

Thus the toddler of practice cannot keep up

With the mother of good explanations.

5.2.2.1.1 Therefore, here in our early translation tradition,

Our Dharma terminology for the basis, path, and result

Does not fall into extremes or bias with respect to

Permanence, impermanence, the two truths, and so forth;

We maintain only the philosophical position of

coalescence.

5.2.2.1.2.1.1.1 If deceptive and ultimate reality are separated,

One cannot posit the basis, path, or result on the basis of

either.

5.2.2.1.2.1.1.2 Basis, path, and result are all

Without the distinction of abandoning one thing

or accepting another.

For if one abandons deceptive reality,

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There is no ultimate; there is no deceptive

Reality apart from the ultimate.

5.2.2.1.2.1.i.3 Whatever appears is pervaded by emptiness,

And whatever is empty is pervaded by appearance.

If something appears, it cannot be non-empty,

And that emptiness cannot be established as not appearing.

5.2.2.1.2.1.2.1 Since both entities and nonentities should both

Be taken as bases for establishing emptiness,

All appearances are just designations,

And emptiness too is just a mental designation.

5.2.2.1.2.1.2.2 For the certainly of rational analysis,

These two are method and methodical result;

If there is one, it is impossible not to have the other,

As they are inseparable.

5.2.2.1.2.1.2.3 Therefore appearance and emptiness

Can each be conceived separately,

But in fact they are never different.

Therefore, they are called "coalescent,"

Since the confidence of seeing the nature of things

Does not fall to any extreme.

5.2.2.1.2.1.2.4 In the perspective of the wisdom of authentic analysis

Appearance and emptiness are considered to be

A single essence with different aspects, for

If one exists, the other exists, and if

One does not exist, the other does not exist.

5.2.2.1.2.2 Nonetheless, for beginners

They appear as negation and negandum;

At that time they are not combined as one.

When the nature of emptiness

Arises as appearance, one attains confidence.

Thus, everything is primordially empty,

And these appearances are empty,

Though empty, they appear; though apparent,

They are seen as empty—this is the birth of certainty.

5.2.2.1.3 This is the root of the profound paths

Of sutra, tantra, and pith instructions.

This is the meaning of cutting off misconceptions

Through study and reflection;

It is the unmistaken, authentic view.

5.2.2.2.1.1 By realizing that crucial point more and more profoundly,

Clinging to the characteristics of appearances of

Deceptive reality will gradually be abandoned.

The stages of the vehicles of the various tan trie classes

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Appear in that way.

5.2.2.2.1.2.1.1. Intellectual wishful thinking and

The view of certainty that finds confidence in the

Divine appearance of animate and inanimate phenomena

Cannot possibly be the same.

5.2.2.2.1.2.1.2. The determination that phenomena are truthless

By Madhyamika reasoning is a view.

But when a Brahmin recites a mantra over a sick person,

His imagining a lack of illness is not the view.

5.2.2.2.1.2.2.1. By realizing the abiding nature of ultimate reality,

One grows confident in the divine appearance of deceptive

reality.

Otherwise, if one dwells on the manner of deceptive

appearance,

How can divinity be established?

5.2.2.2.1.2.2.2. Aside from this deluded appearance of subject and object,

There is no such thing as samsara;

The divisions of the path that abandons it

Are not only made from the perspective of ultimate reality,

Because ultimate reality has a unitary character.

5.2.2.2.1.2.2.3. With respect to the mental ability gained

Through seeing and cultivating all phenomena

Of apparent deceptive reality, the subject (of qualities),674

With respect to ultimate reality, the action tantra,

Performance tantra, yoga tantra, and unexcelled yoga tantra

are taught.

5.2.2.2.1.3. Therefore, the tantric classes are not differentiated as higher

Or lower with respect to either of the two truths

individually.

According to one's attainment of confidence

In the coalescence of the two truths,

The practice of [each of the tantric classes naturally] follows.

5.2.2.2.2.1.1. Therefore, if one properly practices without mistakes

The peerless Vajra Vehicle,

The path that bestows liberation in a single life,

Then, just like the example of water seen

By several different types of sentient beings,

With respect to pure vision

It will be impossible for anyone not to see

Actual and potential phenomena as a manifested mandala.

5.2.2.2.2.1.2. If you don't know things that way,

Meditating on deities while holding

The nature of samsara to be impure

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Is like spraying a vomit-filled vase with perfume.

Alas! That sort of meditation on the Vajra Vehicle of

equanimity

Is just like a drawing of a butter lamp.

5.2.2.2.2.2.1. The way things appear is impure,

But that is the system of delusion.

We say that authentically seeing the nature of things

Is the meaning of the undivided Vajrayana system.

5.2.2.2.2.2.2.1 Seeing the animate and inanimate universe

As lacking the nature of pure support and supported,

But meditating while imagining that they do—

This path evinces an obvious contradiction,

And is just a reflection of the Vajrayana path.

Coal cannot be whitened by washing;

5.2.2.2.2.2.2.2 Likewise, a fabricated meditation that thinks

"It is not, but it is"

Attaining some kind of result

Would be like the heretical sun worshippers (nyi ma pa)—

Who have no confidence in the emptiness of true

existence—

Abandoning emotional afflictions through meditating

On an emptiness devoid of appearance, etc.

5.2.2.2.3.1. What if the action, performance, and unexcelled tantric

classes

Did not have different levels of view?

5.2.2.2.3.2.1. If you have confidence in the view that realizes

The pure equality of actual and potential phenomena,

But fail to take advantage of the correct view,

Seeing yourself and the deity as superior and inferior

And discriminating things as pure and impure,

You will only harm yourself.

5.2.2.2.3.2.2. And, if you are still attached to what is accepted and abandoned

in the lower tantras

But practice the equality of what is accepted and abandoned

in the unexcelled tantras,

Such as "union and liberation," eating meat, drinking

alcohol, etc.,

This is known as the "reckless behavior of

misunderstanding"—

Isn't that despicable?

5.2.2.2.4.1. The view is defined according to one's certainty

In the vision of the nature of things;

According to one's confidence acquired by the view,

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One maintains the practice of meditation and conduct.

5.2.2.2.4.2.1. "Because the vehicles are differentiated

By different levels of view, they are not necessarily nine in

number"—

5.2.2.2.4.2.2. From the lowest of the Buddhist philosophical systems

Up to the ultimate vajra pinnacle of atiyoga,

There is a specific reason for positing

The enumeration of nine classes.

Of course there are many levels of vehicle,

But they are posited by necessity, as is the three-vehicle

system.675

5.2.2.3.1 Thus, according to the relative strength

Of inner gnosis, the animate and inanimate

Worlds are seen as pure or impure.

5.2.2.3.2 Therefore, the basis of inseparable appearance and emptiness

Is realized as the inseparability of the two realities;

As you cultivate the path in that way,

You will see the gnosis,

The coalescence of the two buddha bodies.