[10:01 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Peter wang posted this
[10:01 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: https://youtu.be/ZGN9nCJ33Tk
[10:01 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: I think this guy realised anatta and maha
[10:01 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: From 11 minute onward he describe maha
[10:05 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: He said he is experiencing nonlocality beyond nonduality

[10:15 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: In 17 minutes onwards he describes emptiness of awareness and no container
[11:23 AM, 6/6/2020] John Tan: Yes.  But he still need to go through the 90 days cycle. Now clarity vibrancy just released.
[11:25 AM, 6/6/2020] John Tan: Ppl that do not go through the phases of insights between I M will not know the difference but it is important to go through I M to realize the intensity.
[11:27 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Ic.. yeah he went through I AM
[11:27 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: He also went through mahasi sayadaw stages like daniel ingram
[11:27 AM, 6/6/2020] John Tan: Ic
[11:27 AM, 6/6/2020] John Tan: Daniel 4th path
[11:28 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Yup.. the 16 nanas and then fruition cessation then the four paths
[11:28 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: I think his recent breakthrough is similar to daniel 4th
[11:28 AM, 6/6/2020] John Tan: Yes
[11:28 AM, 6/6/2020] John Tan: However can still fall into AF or further into emptiness
[11:29 AM, 6/6/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[11:30 AM, 6/6/2020] John Tan: A breakthrough of seeing through self is not graduation, same intellectual obscurations can manifest as many blind spots.

[12:15 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: If one does not penetrate deeply into DO and Emptiness, then he must resort back into seeing the deep dark abyss of silence.
[12:17 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: The opposite side of vivid presence must b integrated.
[12:21 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: ic..
[12:21 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: is it like the cessation he mentioned?
[12:22 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: he said consciousness blinks out for him everyday
[12:22 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: in a meditative state
[12:22 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: He overlook cessation, many do when presence vivid aliveness is revealed.
[12:22 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: i think he still access cessation everyday due to mahasi practice
[12:23 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: also 8 jhanas
[12:23 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: That is not important...everyone knows sensations blink in and out of existence...it is how one penetrates and integrate with mature insights.
[12:23 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: oic..
[12:25 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: Look at his eyes and expressions like u wanted to look at the surrounding as if there is more to see...more to feel...lol
[12:27 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: thats how i looked like last year lol (comments: after breakthrough i described in The Magical Fairytale-like Wonderland and Paradise of this Verdant Earth Free from Affective Emotions, Reactions and Sufferings)
[12:27 PM, 6/7/2020] Soh Wei Yu: now more normal
[12:28 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: When one has same insight of presence from anatta directed into silence, then the "wanting" to be more alive, more vivid, more radiance will be balanced...
[12:28 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: Buddhism imo has its unique way of dealing with this balance...
[12:29 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: Taoism focuses deep into this abyss of darkness ... But a balance is needed...
[12:30 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: Like when u hear sound, it is always silence/sound...the flow of music is also the continuous flow of silence...
[12:30 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: Can u hear that?
[12:39 PM, 6/7/2020] John Tan: In total exertion, an instantaneous arising of sound exhaust everything.  Just that "tingsss"....

For a Taoist master, the deep dark abyss gives rise to that sound...same immensity and power...

Can u feel both?

 

..........

He posts meditation notes on his instagram being_frank_yang


This article is a must read in order to understand the different views/evolution of views in Buddhism:

https://stanford.library.sydney.edu.au/entries/twotruths-india/

However, it is for those who are willing to read scholarly, seemingly dry and theoretical works.

Also related:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/twotruths-tibet/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nagarjuna/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/vasubandhu/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dharmakiirti/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/gelukpa/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/tsongkhapa/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kukai/


https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/


https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-chan/


https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-huayan/


https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/buddhism-tiantai/




P.s. I have not personally read all these articles. Many of them are on my to-read list.

One comment about the Japanese Zen article:

[10:29 AM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: Issue about a mirror is always it gives people a sense of something is beyond.  Instead of bringing ppl into the relative, conventional, day to day.  Seeing the nature of the relative and conventional is the key and is where profound insights and wisdom lie.
[10:29 AM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[10:31 AM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/
[10:31 AM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: This is clear in Mahayana buddhism esp.

...

On Plato site in general:


[6:15 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: U read?
[6:15 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Which links? Mmk as in nagarjuna?
[6:15 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Then the tsongkhapa article?
[6:15 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: Yes I read quite a lot in the past and donated🤣
[6:15 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Wow
[6:15 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Donated to where
[6:16 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: Almost anything u can find about tsongkhapa
[6:16 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: 🤣🤣🤣
[6:16 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Lol
[6:16 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: There is a link
[6:16 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Tsongkhapa seems to accept external reality and reject yogacara idealism
[6:16 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Although ultimately is empty
[6:16 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: "external" is not the right word.
[6:17 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: When I finished compiling I will think of of to present the understanding of mmk in an unorthodox way.
[6:18 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: I don't like how it is interpreted...maybe becoz most r scholars.
[6:22 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[6:22 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Wow nice
[6:23 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: Most r badly presented
[6:27 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Anything u find well presented?
[6:28 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: In the Plato site?
[6:30 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: https://makeagift.stanford.edu/get/page/makeagift?noLoopSecure=y&pgnTPC=399&stp=26&olc=06448&cturl=close
[6:53 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Both plato and outside
[6:53 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: Don't have
[6:54 PM, 6/4/2020] Soh Wei Yu: U mean plato?
[6:55 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: Plato is a good a great for Buddhism.  U can find anything there.  Lol
[6:56 PM, 6/4/2020] John Tan: For knowledge but not to b a book worm
Two things for sharing today

1) Someone lurking in the AtR group just realised anatta recently after being stuck in I AM for many years, then went into nondual and anatta. I'll let him post about it on his own, or not, as he wishes.

2) Stian posted something in his group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1206265356138924/ Idappaccayata which John and I like, sharing it here:

(Also related, read this Buddha's teaching:

https://suttacentral.net/mn38/en/bodhi

Consciousness is named after the conditions that give rise to it.
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Try this. Go slow. Read the comments. Then try again. Slowly.
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So I am seeing
Let’s use it to investigate dependent arising
Contact
Three factors; what are they?
Eye, form & visual awareness
What does the Buddha say?
"Visual awareness arises dependent
On eye & form"
So, while closely contemplating seeing, consider right now:
"The conditions for visual awareness are currently complete,
thus I have this visual awareness
About this visual awareness, depending on eyes,
Were these eyes now to disappear—when they do eventually disappear—then, this visual awareness, dependent on eyes, would stop
And,
also for this visual awareness—dependent on *form*—
Suddenly, would there be no form at all,
then too,
this visual awareness—dependent on form—would stop"
"So this visual awareness is dependent,
And not independent
Such is its arising, such is its ceasing"
Dependent on eye & form
Arises visual awareness
"It simply arises & ceases 'like so'"
"'So' it comes; 'so' it goes"

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  • 📷Active NowStian Gudmundsen Høiland📷 So we see that it has a condition, on account of which presence it arises and absence it ceases.

    From having a condition, we see it is impermanent: If in response to the presence of the condition it arises, then in response to the absence of the condition it ceases. Having arisen dependent on a cause, it is thus impermanent, since—having arisen *in dependence* on the presence of the cause—the absence of the cause entails its cessation.

    Consider closely this part:

    > If in response to the presence of the condition it arises...

    Why is it that we get from that the consequence of:

    > ... then in response to the absence of the condition it ceases.

    It is because the arising is bound to the state of presence (of the condition). When the condition is no longer present, then—since it arose *dependent* on (the presence of) that condition—it will thus cease.

    So, "arising with a cause" necessitates "cessation when the cause disappears".

    What becomes understood here is called impermanence, and when that understanding goes even further what is understood is called "conditionedness".2
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  • 📷Active NowStian Gudmundsen Høiland📷 Being a conditioned thing, it is something "out from control". Dukkha, anatta.

    ... it is something completely determined by conditions—there is no "free" factor beside conditions that could otherwise overrule its conditions and make it arise or cease. In fact, such a thing would just be... a condition.

    Grasping/understanding conditionedness is very close to what is called dispassion. The coming and going of things—and quite so by themselves—keeps the mind from fascinating about things as-if they were permanent and could be controlled by a single entity (this "as-if" attitude is quite unconscious and hidden from us), and this leads to a hands-off approach, i.e. doesn’t grasp and cling.

    Emptiness, here, very specifically means what one intuits as the lack of "being worthy of" or "deserving" grasping and clinging. By understanding conditionedness one intuits the reason of not deserving grasping and not being worthy of clinging. This intuited "quality" lies very close to what is called dukkha and anatta. What one thus intuits or understands is called "(the state of) being void", but which we get translated as "emptiness". The result of understanding how (thus conditioned) things (i.e. things that are conditioned as such, i.e. arises dependent on condition, i.e. is conditionally arisen, i.e. conditioned arising) are void is called many things, for example "dispassion". This dispassion is tantamount to non-involvement (atammayata?) with conditioned things, a slight turning away of the mind from conditioned things, which leads to what is called nibbāna and asaṅkhata.

    Thus, by completely understanding dependent arising and conditionedness, the mind becomes dispassionate and does not grasp nor cling to anything conditioned. Consciousness naturally becoming calm and resting through dispassion, ceases from further movements of mind and mental activity.
    By completely understanding the meaning of "conditioned", one finally comes to direct experience of what is called "unconditioned" (& "nirvana").3
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  • 📷Active NowStian Gudmundsen Høiland📷 In short, and about the thought "I am":

    When you contemplate dependent arising & ceasing of seeing (or "eye-contact"), you are unwittingly replacing the assumption of an agent of seeing.

    Somewhere in your psyche there is a belief-ing that seeing is an act performed by an agent.

    When you consider that this visual awareness right here depends on eye & form and that with this eye & form there is this visual awareness and that without this eye there would be no visual awareness and that without this form there would be no visual awareness, then "I am" with regards to seeing stops for as long as you remain in that understanding; there is then no "I am seeing", there is only seeing, no "I am" doing the seeing.

    > ... When for you there will be only the seen in reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard, only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in reference to the cognized, then, Bāhiya, there is no you in connection with that. When there is no you in connection with that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two.

    > When a noble disciple has clearly seen with right wisdom this dependent origination and these dependently originated phenomena as they are, it’s impossible for them to turn back to the past, thinking: ‘Did I exist in the past? Did I not exist in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? After being what, what did I become in the past?’ Or to turn forward to the future, thinking: ‘Will I exist in the future? Will I not exist in the future? What will I be in the future? How will I be in the future? After being what, what will I become in the future?’ Or to be undecided about the present, thinking: ‘Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? This sentient being—where did it come from? And where will it go?’4
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  • 📷Active NowStian Gudmundsen Høiland📷 Now try it again. Slowly this time.
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  • 📷Active NowStian Gudmundsen Høiland📷 Did anyone at least get to the point where it clicks that without eye or without form visual awareness co-ceases (i.e. impermanence)?
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只管打坐 /洪文亮醫師*主講 /劉英孝整理

夜來明月上高峰,原來只是這個賊    

現在很多人在佛學知識裡打轉,這與解脫無關。佛真正要指出來的是,眾生的毛病在於有一個「我在聽法」、「我在活著」、「我在修行」的的這個「念」去不掉,這是煩惱的根源。一般人都以為如果沒有這個「念」,就什麼都沒有了,恐落空無撈摸處。有一位禪師證道了以後,他說:「夜來明月上高峰,原來只是這個賊。」這個「賊」就是煩惱的根本。貪、瞋、昏沈、掉悔、疑五蓋好像五個手指一樣,遮住眼睛,讓你的本地風光不能顯現。很多人拼命修行,用盡各種辦法,念佛、念咒、誦經、持齋、持戒,希望將五蓋一個個除掉,修的很清淨。但是五蓋一點都不實在,猶如虛空一樣,你還要去掉它做什麼?而且,即使將五蓋修的乾乾淨淨,還有一個根本無明在那裡!根本無明脫落了,五蓋就像沒有根的樹葉,無法長青,自然枯萎。你想要將五蓋、煩惱修掉的「念」,就是根本無明。根本無明是沒有原因的。

聖人種種分別,皆不離法身    

我們的心量本來是很廣大的,應用無窮。六根應眼見色,應耳聞聲 ,應鼻嗅香,應舌知味,應身知觸,應意知法,一切施為運動,皆是法身。六根本來毫無罣礙,無愛無憎,平等平等地隨緣生滅,自然解脫。我們之所以感覺有對象、有東西存在,是因為有「我」在。證道的禪師講「眼前無一物」,他也看到東西,但是他沒有「我看到」這種妄想。「我」是妄想出來的,如果這個妄想脫落了,我們會非常清楚「眼前無一物」是什麼境界。有「我」的妄念,才會看到獨立存在的對象,那就是「眼前有一物」。證入無我,一切都是法身。看到你、看到花、聽到聲音,都是法身,遇緣則顯,即生即滅,變化無礙,所以是空。我們把五蘊的身心看得很實在,用這個態度學佛,想要用「我」去轉色身、證法身,「因地不真,果招迂曲」,一開始就走錯路了。

行佛威儀    

身心不是我們想像的那麼渺小,實際上無邊無際,是無限可能的存在。我們認錯皮肉身軀是我,拚命想將這個身軀弄得像佛一樣莊嚴,日本道元禪師有一篇著作<<行佛威儀>>就是指出這個錯誤。現在舉一段來說明:      

諸佛必定行足威儀,此行佛也。行佛非是報身佛,非是化身佛,非是自性身佛,非是他性身佛,非是始覺,非是本覺,既非性覺,又非無覺。如是等佛,不得與行佛齊肩。因之,諸佛之行佛道,不待覺。唯有行佛能於佛向上之道通達行履。自性佛等,夢也未見在也。    

現在大家看到「威儀」,就動了念頭,認為威儀應該是如何。例如說辣妹就不夠莊嚴,累的東倒西歪、打瞌睡、腿酸、叫痛,就不是佛的威儀。這種好壞的判斷,都是人類的分別。

日本有一個杉本禪師是因放屁而開悟的,難道這不是行佛威儀嗎?一切動靜,都是法身的顯現,不增不減,都是行佛威儀。蟑螂爬、小鳥飛、魚兒游都是行佛威儀。地獄的眾生不是跳出地獄才得救,而是不改地獄的境界,當處解脫。一切都是佛。道元禪師講:報身佛、化身佛、自性身佛、他性身佛、始覺、本覺、性覺、無覺,都離不開人類的見解,佛學名相記了一大堆,都是人類的分別。有一個「我」要去成佛、待覺,都是根本無明。對於行佛、諸法實相,夢也未見在。

身心脫落,只管打坐    

行佛威儀,就是只管打坐。什麼是只管打坐?讓我們先看一段道元禪師開悟的故事:       師因入堂,懲衲子坐睡云:「夫參禪者身心脫落,只管打睡作麼?」予聞此語豁然大悟。徑上方丈燒香禮拜。師云:「禮拜事作麼生?」予云:「身心脫落來。」師云:「身心脫落,脫落身心!」予云:「這個是暫時伎倆,和尚莫亂印 」。師云:「我不亂印 」。予云:「如何是不亂印底事?」師云:「脫落脫落。」予乃休。    

道元禪師很小就出家,研究了很多經、律、論,他的結論只有一個:「本來本法性,天然自性身。」既然一切都是本覺,我們為什麼要修行?這個問題困擾了道元禪師,他到中國找到了如淨禪師,解決了這個問題。有一天道元在打坐,他隔壁的道友因為打瞌睡被如淨禪師一罵,道元在旁邊聽了,豁然大悟。隨後他就到方丈室跟如淨禪師報告:「身心脫落了!」如淨禪師不愧是明眼的禪師,看出道元還有身心脫落這麼一回事的微細執著,立刻跟道元說:「什麼身心脫落,本來脫落的身心啊!」道元至此乃脫去最後的法執。而道元對大用的地方還不太明白,如淨禪師再跟他說:「脫落也脫落。」道元乃休。這就是只管打坐。    

只管打坐不是坐在那裡想用不淨觀、慈悲觀、緣起觀把貪、瞋、癡對治掉,想要成佛。那只是佛的方便,不要緊抓著不放,以為那個就是佛法。如果執著「只管打坐」,起了「不要」念佛、誦經、持齋、持戒的念頭,已經「管」了那麼多,那是「只管」嗎?所以只管打坐就是:只管也沒有只管,打坐也沒有打坐。看就只是看,聽就只是聽,聞就只是聞,嚐就只是嚐,觸就只是觸,知就只是知。如果假我的妄想沒有脫落,聽了這個法而為所欲為,那麼這個法豈不是成了毒藥?

萬法來證明無我    

道元禪師曾說:學佛只是學自己,學自己是忘自己。學自己就是不向外求,自己寶貴的身心就是道場。忘自己又千萬不可用「自己」忘自己。那麼,怎麼修行呢?不要起心動念去修什麼殊勝的法,或者以我去求證萬法。眼見、耳聞、鼻嗅、舌嚐、身觸、意知,這些就是萬法。萬法不斷的變化,毫無痕跡,有若無,身心一點都不罣礙,哪裡需要「我」來指揮、判斷才能見聞覺知呢?以萬法來將「我」殺掉,將這個「賊」殺掉,這是大安樂法門啊!

曹溪一滴    

懷讓問法於慧能,慧能問他:「什麼處來?」懷讓回答:「嵩山來。」慧能又問:「是什麼物,恁麼來?」懷讓回答不出來。經過了八年,懷讓證道了,才向慧能回答:「說似一物即不中。」道元提到這件事,他說:

    釋尊道:一切即眾生,悉有即佛性。其宗旨為何?此即是「什麼物,恁麼來」的言教。     釋迦牟尼佛傳給迦葉,迦葉傳下來一直到慧能,直到如淨、道元,以及今天日本曹洞宗的原田雪溪禪師,傳的就是這個。唯一要講的就是如何離開人的見解。這個最根本的、有我存在的「念」,很不容易發現。一般人都是依這個「念」而活,依這個「念」而修行。有情眾生一直不願意、不敢放下這個妄我的念,以為放下就什麼都沒有了。禪師講:「夜來明月上高峰」,以「只管打坐」的方法,放任六根,進入無能知、所知的忘我境界,有一天遇到一個緣,忽然間舊有的習氣妄念上來了,一照!啊!「原來只是這個賊」。

洪文亮醫師
學歷:國立台灣大學醫學系畢業
經歷:高雄市立大同醫院外科主治醫師      
高雄地方法院檢察署法醫       高雄洪外科院長

"Not sure if you have seen this but Elias Capriles contrasts different traditions and states of realization in this interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDWDF35A-1U

Elias Caprilles interviewed by Vladimir Maykov on Ken Wilber's distortion of Buddhism and Dzogchen

He starts to mention at 17:00, then again around 19:00 and also 25:00
He seems to reference Mahā total exertion at the end" - Kyle Dixon

"Interesting...Elias Capriles talk about total exertion and non-action.  He also give an example of some one drawing a circle...which I think is very good.  My son intro-ed an artist that is like that into total non-action...every point he draws is simply perfect...when they later map and calculate the ratio and distance... Kim Jung Gi" - John Tan

"Very good.  The view is clear." - John Tan


Also here is a nice article that is related: http://www.integralworld.net/capriles1.html

THE TRANSRELIGIOUS FALLACY
IN WILBER’S WRITINGS

And Its Relation With Wilber's
“Philosophical Tradition" And Views

"Beyond Mind", Part III, Appendix 1

ELÍAS CAPRILES




I just sent some excerpts to John Tan and he said

“Wow this is a damn good book

Who wrote that?

But I think need to be very careful not to assume that non-dual of subject/object naturally implies freedom from intellectual obscurations of internal/external, mind/matter.”

"Yes I think it is a very good book"

Download link:

https://cdn.amaravati.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/18/The_Island_-_Ajahn_Amaro_and_Pasanno_update_2015.pdf




These lectures by Zen Master Hui Lu 慧律法师 are about Avatamasaka Sutra (Hua Yan Sutra), anatta, manifestation as clarity, and total exertion. This is a Chinese lecture.



[6:26 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: This is nice https://youtu.be/8BRtkWUwfY8

[7:09 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: 一真、一真法界 is like anatta
[7:09 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Second part talks about limitless universe
[7:58 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: Very clear to u right?
[8:00 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: Yeah u watched?
[8:00 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: Yes

[8:07 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: He is just emphasizing anatta, manifestation as clarity and total exertion.

[8:13 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: If there is no I as a background, u r left with manifestation.
[8:15 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: If u want to bring out the nature of phenomena, 现象界
[8:16 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: U must see through first the background and point directly to this foreground as one's radiance clarity.
[8:17 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: So first the direct pointing is important, second eliminate the mistaken view that clarity is always hiding behind.
[8:18 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: In between, one must keep refining the view of emptiness and DO.
[8:18 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: His elaboration and emphasis of 重重因缘 is good
[8:19 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: And 刹那
[8:19 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: Both r important
[8:20 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: But total exertion of 华严 is not only that
[8:21 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: oic..
[8:21 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: in the second video he talks about limitless time, limitless space and using that limitless mind to experience everyday activities
[8:22 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: Second video?
[8:22 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1plAl9WLCA
[8:24 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: oh theres actually 5 videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyvXiTM5fwpkppVhrKBw4rjrnkJD2rOuS
[8:24 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: only watched first two
[8:28 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: In the first video he talked about the mirror and reflection is also very good.
[8:29 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: But whether ppl can understand is a different matter.
[8:29 PM, 5/21/2020] Soh Wei Yu: oic.. yeah i remember he paused and ask do you understand? haha
[8:29 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: Yeah
[8:30 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: That reflection is the very mirror...not the mirrors that reflects, but the reflection as that mirror. I think that is very good.
[8:31 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: The way he described has a trigger point.
[8:31 PM, 5/21/2020] John Tan: I mean the way he puts it