Two Levels of Understanding Emptiness, Emptiness Must Be Understood from DO [Dependent Origination] Perspective

John Tan:

there r 2 lvl of understanding, from de-construction of conventional construct perspective and then luminous appearances perspective.  Imo emptiness must be understood from DO perspective and as long as understanding of DO is not realized that nothing stands apart from consciousness, that is not the import of DO.


(Also see: Rainbow 


    John Tan

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    Listening to someone tutoring about "rainbow",
    The teaching of science came to my mind.
    The raindrops, the sunshine;
    The light that enters and exits the droplets;
    The reflection, refraction and light dispersion;
    All these formed the rainbow.
    But they missed the most important factor,
    The radiance of our own mind.

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      Jayson MPaul
      Rainbows need to have eyes in correct position, water droplets, light, radiant mind, all like so for rainbow to appear. Move slightly and rainbow is gone. Never came from anywhere, stayed anywhere, or went anywhere. The rainbow was insubstantial, but vividly displayed. All phenomena are like this.


      Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
      Look ahead and you see the table and your phone. Need "all like so" (tatha). Look behind you and that is gone, but now a new like so and not otherwise.

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      Dragan Milojević
      What radiance of mind? Where is it, science needs proofs and evidence. Mind is only a perceptor and analyzer.


      John Tan
      Dragan Milojević Science can prove the sad tears of a mother are H2O but can't prove the "sadness". As human, we need both.
      But I like ur question, Where is this radiance?
      Yes where is it? Even Buddha cannot know it's whereabout.

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ChatGPT on the Sound of One Hand Clapping, Needs Lankavatara Sutra Next

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Aiyo... ChatGPT turns into AF after anatta. Needs to read Lankavatara Sutra on no inherent characteristics.
Soh:
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
ChatGPT:
The phrase "the sound of one hand clapping" is a Zen kōan, a type of riddle or paradox used in Zen Buddhism to test and challenge a student's understanding of the nature of reality. The koan is not meant to be taken literally, but rather as a tool for meditation and introspection. The point of the koan is to lead the student to a deeper understanding of the self and the world by questioning the mind's usual ways of thinking and perception. The answer to the koan is not a sound, but rather a realization or enlightenment.
Soh:
The sound of one hand clapping is the sound without a hearer. There is no two-ness, no duality of a hearer and a sound, hence there is only sound. This is the realization.
ChatGPT:
Exactly, the koan "the sound of one hand clapping" is not meant to have a literal answer, but to challenge one's understanding of the nature of reality, specifically the duality of subject and object. It is meant to question the idea that sound needs an observer or hearer to exist and instead points to the idea that sound is an inherent characteristic of the universe and that the division of subject and object is just a human construct. The realization that you described is the understanding that in the ultimate reality, there is no duality, there is no subject and object, there is no separate self and the world, there is only the unity of the all. This realization is often associated with the attainment of enlightenment in Buddhism.
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