- Soh Wei YuAdminNew age are full of teachers talking about “I AM Presence”.But it is a separate topic from raising vibrations.I AM Presence - The Chart of the Divine Self - The Real SelfSUMMITLIGHTHOUSE.ORGI AM Presence - The Chart of the Divine Self - The Real Self
[12/5/19, 11:52:38 PM] John Tan: If someday u met someone that can point out to u something further either in the energy practice, samadhi, meditations...etc, u will missed the opportunities.
[12/5/19, 11:53:19 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[12/5/19, 11:54:21 PM] John Tan: In addition to seeing the limitations, u must also see the area where u can learn...not to shut things off this way. Do not let the phases of insights blind u from seeing things. If so it becomes counter productive.
[13/5/19, 12:00:56 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[13/5/19, 12:11:14 AM] John Tan: Also not to limit experiences by framing it into the phases strictly. Limiting it this way is also limiting how u see and experience ur life. That is precisely the essence of consciousness empty and luminous. Only difference is whether it is realized or simply conceptual.
[13/5/19, 12:15:15 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[13/5/19, 12:21:04 AM] John Tan: I read new age and YouTube, some r very good and enlightening.
[13/5/19, 12:21:32 AM] John Tan: I look into yoga and energy practice to understand and open my understanding.
[13/5/19, 12:22:07 AM] John Tan: There r always things to b learnt.
[13/5/19, 12:22:26 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[13/5/19, 12:25:09 AM] John Tan: Also important is to know ur limitations...know what is limiting oneself. Like when u r watching endgame in cinema, absorbed into boundlessness, vivid open and free...y so?
[13/5/19, 12:25:39 AM] John Tan: Compare to this moment, what is the difference?
[13/5/19, 10:25:46 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Hmm.. when engaging in thought then the attention is on thought rather than boundless vivid open, but even when thinking it’s anatta I don’t feel unfree because of thinking.. thinking is not exactly problem and do lessen
[13/5/19, 10:26:06 AM] Soh Wei Yu: But when meditating then thoughts quieten and the intensity of total exertion and luminosity becomes even stronger
[13/5/19, 10:26:33 AM] Soh Wei Yu: My flu doesn’t seem to affect my anatta and total exertion but seems to feel more tired and weak sensation.. can sleep longer
[13/5/19, 10:26:47 AM] John Tan: Hm...u need to learn how to release also. Did u do that in the past?
[13/5/19, 10:27:03 AM] John Tan: That practice is good but don't practice at night
[13/5/19, 12:52:25 PM] Soh Wei Yu: In the past I also experience calmness and bliss even when I was v young
[13/5/19, 12:52:44 PM] John Tan: I mean the exerted to a thought
[13/5/19, 12:53:35 PM] John Tan: U must discipline urself and practice yoga from yoga to complement ur practice.
[13/5/19, 12:53:40 PM] John Tan: It is imp
[13/5/19, 12:53:53 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[13/5/19, 12:54:02 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Total exertion of thought maybe more recent
[13/5/19, 12:54:09 PM] John Tan: And have a balance set of asanas to open up different parts of ur body
[13/5/19, 12:54:19 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[13/5/19, 12:54:34 PM] Soh Wei Yu: I just do the yoga sets in yoga center or sometimes YouTube..
[13/5/19, 12:54:47 PM] John Tan: It is crucial when u r young but slowly and gradually. Don't injured urself like I do🤣🤣🤣
[13/5/19, 12:54:54 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic lol
[13/5/19, 12:55:27 PM] John Tan: Continue for 10 years u r only 38...ur radiance and clarity will much stronger than now.
[13/5/19, 12:55:49 PM] John Tan: U will not notice the effect for first few years.
2004 conversation with Sim Pern Chong (Also See: A Compilation of Simpo's Writings)
| Session Start: Sunday, December 05, 2004 |
| Participants: AEN, Thusness
[11:09:54 PM] AEN: [23:05] AEN: john, from what i've
seen so far, i'm quite certain that Longchen is a new
[23:05] AEN: u noe, new-age?
[23:05] AEN: his focus is on light-body
[23:05] AEN: i dont tink new-age is a religion,
its like a cult :./
[23:05] AEN: :/
[23:06] AEN: and in that topic, he posted a url
containing an article from a cult master/buddhist
[23:06] AEN: i tink i have to inform him and
remove the topic
[11:11:21 PM] Thusness: yes
[11:11:42 PM] Thusness: He will walk his path.
[11:11:55 PM] AEN: in ur opinion what is his light-body
ascension all about
[11:12:35 PM] Thusness: He has an initial glimpse of Reality.
[11:12:46 PM] AEN: oic
[11:15:19 PM] Thusness: most founder of new age religion has
certain experience of Reality. However when reality
descends and gets intepreted at the intellect level, it
gets distorted somehow.
[11:15:38 PM] AEN: oh... u knew about the new age religion?
[11:15:49 PM] Thusness: yes.
[11:15:55 PM] AEN: u learn about it before?
[11:15:56 PM] AEN: haha
[11:16:02 PM] Thusness: nope. :)
[11:16:12 PM] Thusness: but many exchanges when I was young.
[11:16:31 PM] Thusness: more than 15 yrs back I visited most cults
in Singapore. :)
[11:16:35 PM] AEN: ooh
[11:16:36 PM] AEN: like?
[11:17:29 PM] Thusness: Eckankar, Bahai's faith, yin-yang sect,
I-Kuan, BK, children of God and some satanic sects..
[11:17:37 PM] Thusness: hari krisna..etc
[11:17:48 PM] AEN: wahhh
[11:17:54 PM] AEN: so many!
[11:17:58 PM] AEN: satanic? LOL
[11:18:02 PM] Thusness: :)
[11:18:29 PM] AEN: but i heard some new age cult are
dangerous, they commit suicide cos they receive
communications from dunnu wat.. that they are ready to
[11:18:54 PM] Thusness: In the West it is more intense.
[11:19:05 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:19:24 PM] AEN: so,
[11:19:30 PM] Thusness: Do not belittle what he experiences. Pure
sense of existence is most sacred.
[11:19:30 PM] AEN: do u know whats light body ascension?
[11:19:36 PM] AEN: icic...
[11:21:18 PM] Thusness: It is difficult to develop penetrating
insight into the different layers of consciousness. To
go beyond the "I AM" is rare. :)
[11:21:38 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:21:43 PM] AEN: then what is beyond the "i am"
[11:22:38 PM] AEN: "Ok, Ok all planes of existences are
impermanent. I know. Plane of existences are created
realm, of course they will not last forever.
But your Presence is already eternal... the Presence
exist in the eternal now. There is nowhere to go.
Nirvana is not going anywhere, do you understand,
brother? What we need is only to clear all the karmic
tendencies accumulated over all the lives.
When i say upper dimension having no death... I am
refering to the fact that death is not important at that
level. Not that that realm will last forever. "
[11:23:23 PM] Thusness: :)
[11:23:54 PM] Thusness: u r exchanging messages with him now?
[11:24:02 PM] AEN: through PM
[11:24:08 PM] AEN: recevied it quite some time ago
[11:24:17 PM] Thusness: PM?
[11:24:21 PM] AEN: private msg
[11:24:25 PM] Thusness: ic. :)
[11:25:10 PM] Thusness: It's a lonely journey. I told u it will
be a struggle for him.
[11:25:23 PM] AEN: icic
[11:25:42 PM] Thusness: becoz he will not easily submit himself
now to a master. :)
[11:25:45 PM] AEN: but u noe, he has this common belief of
new agers, they say something about year 2012
[11:26:04 PM] AEN: and then hundreds of years later ppl will
what, go to 5th dimension?
[11:26:04 PM] AEN: lol
[11:26:36 PM] AEN: oh yes.. another thing is he communicates
with Mother Earth, the earth's consciousness
[11:26:45 PM] Thusness: when one attempts to break the layer of
consciousness, they will have all sort of images.
[11:26:56 PM] AEN: what layer of consciousness
[11:28:27 PM] Thusness: The True Buddha Nature is the Pure
Presence, however when the mind attempts to grasp its
essence after its initial experience, it creatively
creates the "I AM".
[11:28:56 PM] AEN: oh....
[11:28:58 PM] AEN: icic..
[11:29:07 PM] Thusness: an Entity having all the properties of
Thusness yet still stubbornly attached to the "I'.
[11:29:10 PM] AEN: then what is all sort of images about
[11:29:15 PM] AEN: wat are they
[11:30:01 PM] Thusness: It is the tricks of the monkey mind
unwillingness to let go yet trying to recapture the Pure
[11:30:22 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:30:31 PM] Thusness: as such when it turns inwards to break
layer by layer of it's own boundaries.
[11:30:45 PM] Thusness: it will have all hurdles to clear.
[11:31:27 PM] AEN: icic...
[11:31:31 PM] Thusness: It is too subtle to differentiate the I AM
from Thusness. :)
[11:32:05 PM] Thusness: eliminate the I from "I AM", AMness has no
meaning without "I". Isness itself is sufficient. :)
[11:32:17 PM] AEN: icic....
[11:33:09 PM] Thusness: True Presence must be experienced not only
in the ghost within. It is in the air, the tick of the
[11:33:59 PM] Thusness: My short message in the forum has defined
the path he will travel.
[11:34:19 PM] AEN: defined??
[11:34:51 PM] Thusness: anyway it will take many years. :)
[11:35:10 PM] AEN: take many years for?
[11:35:14 PM] Thusness: It will be interesting how he got his
[11:35:20 PM] Thusness: to turn back.
[11:35:24 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:35:39 PM] AEN: he says he aims to attain the light body
[11:35:47 PM] AEN: and he says he cant do it this life, maybe
1 more or 2 more lifetimes
[11:36:03 PM] AEN: but what is it??
[11:36:10 PM] Thusness: when did he tell u?
[11:36:16 PM] AEN: i'll copy over
[11:37:44 PM] AEN: Hi Xabir,
But the messages a bit disjointed, leh...
I am curious about John's understanding.
Ok... I will tell you. I don't want to post this on your
forum... because the path I am following not exactly
[11:37:52 PM] AEN: The method as taught by my Enlightened
teacher/friend is this....
I got into a meditative state. .. Images will be shown
to me. This images have meanings and message. My life
will have some experiences that are related to the
visions. The visions are transmissions from Presence.
Presence is intelligent 'brightness', like the sun ...
[11:38:02 PM] AEN: In addition to this kind of transmission,
the transmissions can also come at any time. If I have a
question, the answer may come, but I must not go into
mental thinking/analysing...but rely on relaxed
'intuitive knowing'. Also, for very elaborate
transmissions, they occur in my dreams. Therefore I am
keeping a dream journal to write down the messages.
[11:38:12 PM] AEN: The experiences are not easy. One by one,
the karmic tendencies will surface. All the karmic
tendencies must be understood, if not they will always
remain within the subconscious and unconscious. Some
time, my body goes into aching as the samcara/karmic
tendencies surface. But they will clear away and is
often that I will stabilse at a greater awareness after
[11:38:18 PM] AEN: My undertanding now is that, there is a
link between Presence and Mind. The link seems to be
Pure awareness>>> impulse/feeling without definition >>>
Concepts, thoughts, langauge >>> emotions (if there is
[11:38:25 PM] AEN: So to clear the karmic tendencies cleanly,
it cannot be cleared at 'thoughts, concept' level, it
have to be understood at 'no-thinking/impulse' level.
My intuition say that I have many more years to go...
Actually my goal is not 'final cessation'.... my goal is
light body ascension. I will not achieve it in this life
time, perhaps one or 2 more...
[11:38:30 PM] AEN: regards
[11:41:00 PM] Thusness: can i know when he wrote this?
[11:41:28 PM] AEN: 04 December 2004
[11:42:49 PM] AEN: he's simpo from another forum
[11:43:58 PM] Thusness: hmm.....there might be a change in his
thought pattern. :)
[11:44:05 PM] Thusness: now i mean.
[11:44:16 PM] Thusness: anyway, still not much danger so far. :)
[11:44:23 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:44:33 PM] AEN: hmm.....there might be a change in his
thought pattern. --> have been or yet been
[11:45:39 PM] Thusness: have been recently.
[11:46:01 PM] Thusness: from the time he wrote till now.
[11:47:07 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:47:35 PM] AEN: then
[11:48:09 PM] AEN: he wrote me another mail... well it isnt
much about his experience he stated in the forum... but,
wld u believe in wat he said? who is this "mother earth"
[11:48:27 PM] AEN: Hi Xabir,
Last week, I receive a transmission from the
consciousness of the Earth Mother.
She seems to be saying that the planet is undergoing
physical changes now and this is only the beginning.
Expect to see many natural disaster happening around the
I will continue to send you the psychic informations if
they are of importance.
I will not post them on your forum. Also the
transmission warns me that the psychic ability must only
be used for important stuffs.
(Comments by Soh: Sim Pern Chong had a vision back then, something related to water and ocean I think? Was a prelude to the 2004 Tsunami weeks later.
The next time Sim Pern Chong contacted Gaia
consciousness in 2020, he was informed of the apocalyptic fallout of
global warming in visions, which he only understood after that
meditation when the visions were very easily translated into verbal
From my notes last year after meeting Mr. Sim: "mother gaia this year gave sim pern chong a vision when he contacted her... a series of visions... a human, then racing (?), then ... finished. when out of meditation he interpreted and realised it means 'human race is finished'. he was disturbed by this message and in the coming months he contacted gaia again, it said "human must work together with nature" and two days later david attenborough released video with the exact same tagline "human must .... with nature". the previous time he contacted mother gaia in 2004, he foresaw the tsunami? he saw this covid disaster 10+ years ago, he saw in meditation that one day due to some disaster all airplanes will stop and no cars on the street."
[12:00:07 AM] AEN: so wat do u tink
[12:00:07 AM] AEN: haha
[12:01:43 AM] Thusness: it is not exactly nonsense. :)
[12:02:33 AM] AEN: ok then how about this... when i asked him
what earth mother is:
[12:02:33 AM] AEN: The Earth is alive... her consciousness is
the Earth Mother also call Gaia.
If you do not know, the earth is transforming into a 5th
dimensional world. That is why, there is so much chao
all over the world. Accordingly, the year 2012 is a
critical turning point. That does not mean that Earth
will become 5th dimensional in the year 2012, but it
means a new form of civilisation will begin then. The
ascension to 5th dimension, I think will take hundreds
of years.[12:04:11 AM] Thusness: u heard of Dharma Gaia?
[12:04:18 AM] AEN: nope what is that
[12:05:09 AM] Thusness: is what he said to u.
[12:05:19 AM] AEN: u mean it's actually taught by the
[12:05:20 AM] Thusness: ecological aspect of buddhism.
[12:05:25 AM] AEN: then is dharma gaia a person or what?
[12:05:25 AM] Thusness: nope
[12:05:31 AM] AEN: then who is it taught by
[12:06:07 AM] Thusness: but a concept of applying buddhism. in
[12:06:12 AM] AEN: oic
[12:06:19 AM] Thusness: The mystical part, he added. :)
[12:06:29 AM] AEN: oic
[12:06:36 AM] AEN: then how about the 5th dimension thing?
[12:07:23 AM] Thusness: some from his images from meditation, some
from his friends. :)
[12:08:03 AM] AEN: oh.... icic
[12:08:08 AM] AEN: but is the 5th dimension true?
[12:09:39 AM] Thusness: i have no idea.
[12:10:02 AM] Thusness: I have not spoken to mother gaia. :P
[12:10:06 AM] AEN: oic
[12:10:07 AM] AEN: hahaha
[12:10:13 AM] AEN: so u tink mother gaia is a spirit?
[12:10:20 AM] Thusness: I know that his experience of Presence is
[12:10:29 AM] AEN: oic...
[12:10:31 AM] Thusness: it is a collective consciousness
[12:10:59 AM] AEN: collective consciousnes... can explain to
[12:11:40 AM] Thusness: cannot. :P Confused u and not so
important for buddhist progress.
[12:11:58 AM] AEN: oic... btw what time u sleep? am i
bothering u? :P
[12:12:09 AM] Thusness: nope...at one.
[12:12:12 AM] AEN: icic
[12:12:13 AM] AEN: kk
[12:12:33 AM] AEN: hey thanks for explaining to me all these
[12:13:15 AM] Thusness: wc
[01:02:49 AM] Thusness: How does science define time?
[01:13:03 AM] AEN: dont know
[01:13:05 AM] AEN: forgot
[01:13:10 AM] AEN: :P
[01:13:12 AM] AEN: y?
[01:17:36 AM] Thusness: It is a good topic for u to ponder. :)
[01:17:51 AM] AEN: oic...
[01:19:00 AM] Thusness: Anyway I read the message (about his
experience) he sent to u wrongly. I thought it was 4
Nov, that was 30 days back.
[01:19:16 AM] AEN: ohh
[01:19:21 AM] AEN: then what does that mean
[01:19:24 AM] AEN: lol
[01:22:02 AM] Thusness: He should spend some time into buddhism.
[01:22:19 AM] AEN: oic
[01:22:21 AM] AEN: hahaha
[01:22:23 AM] AEN: ok..
[01:22:56 AM] Thusness: but ..hm....let it be first. :)
[01:23:15 AM] Thusness: accepting isn't easy for now.
[01:23:39 AM] AEN: icic...
[01:24:21 AM] Thusness: Probably another msg, I don't get use to
[01:24:31 AM] AEN: on the forum?
[01:24:48 AM] Thusness: yeah...another day.
[01:24:56 AM] AEN: icic
[01:24:57 AM] AEN: ok
[01:25:45 AM] Thusness: i got to go now. Nite. :)
[01:25:48 AM] AEN: ok
[01:25:49 AM] AEN: gd nite