Tyler Jones said: My Daoism teacher mentioned recently that according to his teachers, who have very highly developed divine eye siddhi, what is missing from contemporary teachers who focus on nondual awakening is that, even the ones who understand the need for some physical and psychological purification work, don't work with inner spiritual light, as though nondual awakening renders this superfluous. Dzogchen, of course, very much does work with light.
Soh agrees and replied: [The Taoist text] secret of the golden flower also talks about that.. and yes dzogchen, etc.
Tyler Jones said: Far as I can tell, internal alchemy in Daoism plays the same role as practice with channels and drops plays ... [snipped] ... golden flower practice plays the role of [snipped] (information removed after discussing with Tyler, not so important)
You and John talk about how going deep into the experience of luminosity actually makes things appear brighter, this seems related to practice with spiritual light.
Just heard Lisa Cairns mention that when she really lets go into non-identification she sees a really bright white light.
These kinds of things are seeming interesting to me rn, light as a bridge to pure consciousness.
There is something i added to atr recently
Four Aspects of I AM
Eckhart Tolle describing the intensity of luminosity in the body in The Power of Now: “Connecting With The Inner Body
Please try it now. You may find it helpful to close your eyes for this practice. Later on, when "being in the body' has become natural and easy, this will no longer be necessary. Direct your attention into the body. Feel it from within. Is it alive? Is there life in your hands, arms, legs, and feet - in your abdomen, your chest? Can you feel the subtle energy field that pervades the entire body and gives vibrant life to every organ and every cell? Can you feel it simultaneously in all parts of the body as a single field of energy? Keep focusing on the feeling of your inner body for a few moments. Do not start to think about it. Feel it. The more attention you give it, the clearer and stronger this feeling will become. It will feel as if every cell is becoming more alive, and if you have a strong visual sense, you may get an image of your body becoming luminous. Although such an image can help you temporarily, pay more attention to the feeling than to any image that may arise. An image, no matter how beautiful or powerful, is already defined in form, so there is less scope for penetrating more deeply.
The feeling of your inner body is formless, limitless, and unfathomable. You can always go into it more deeply. If you cannot feel very much at this stage, pay attention to whatever you can feel. Perhaps there is just a slight tingling in your hands or feet. That's good enough for the moment. Just focus on the feeling. Your body is coming alive. Later, we will practice some more. Please open your eyes now, but keep some attention in the inner energy field of the body even as you look around the room. The inner body lies at the threshold between your form identity and your essence identity, your true nature. Never lose touch with it.”
John Tan replied in 2006, “The experience comes when the 'self' subsides and awareness is experienced as a vibrantly luminous bright clarity. The radiance of pure awareness creates a powerful sense of Presence that is experienced in the form of aliveness and clarity in all parts of the body. If you were to visualize it, it is like a very power inner light radiating out from nowhere to everywhere making everything that comes into contact alive.”
John Tan, early August 2010:
(12:49 AM) Thusness: do you feel like a luminous light?
(12:50 AM) AEN: yes, awareness is radiant and present
(12:50 AM) Thusness: u need to lose that sense of self first. you will not feel like radiance light with your current realization [Soh: that was spoken during my I AM phase of realization], only when you mature impersonality and non-dual. how did dharma dan describe pce?
(1:32 AM) AEN: i think he said something like pure delight in the senses, the physical, etc. i think he also talked about no sense of movement or fluxing?
(1:33 AM) Thusness: he said radiance, brilliance and luminous. the senses and physical. when the background and foreground are both experienced as so. there will be radiance throughout, then it is possible to talk about luminous radiance. otherwise what you experience is still far from it. there must be total transparency, and there be the experience of purity, primordial, radiance in whatever arises. you may also visualize radiance light vitalizing all your cells like what eckhart tolle said.
(1:37 AM) AEN: oic.. what eckhart tolle said is like non dual?
(1:37 AM) Thusness: yes. but he isn't clear about that, though the experience is there
[Comments by Soh: Eckhart Tolle's insight is more into I AM, Thusness Stage 1 and 2]
John TanThursday, May 30, 2013 at 10:21pm UTC+10
do you have the experience of a transparent inner emanation?
Soh Wei YuThursday, May 30, 2013 at 10:21pm UTC+10
do you mean outwards emanation? or something else
John TanThursday, May 30, 2013 at 10:22pm UTC+10
yeah, like a transparent energetic glowing light emanating outward?
Soh Wei YuThursday, May 30, 2013 at 10:29pm UTC+10
transparent luminosity yeah
John TanThursday, May 30, 2013 at 10:29pm UTC+10
actually you don't need to meditate...just mature your insights and experience in daily activities [Soh: important - this comment was made 2+ years after my anatta realization, so do note that the I AM realization is insufficient to experience nondual luminosity in all manifestations in an effortless manner]
if it becomes stable...visualize light and experience that taste as a skillful practice
Soh Wei YuThursday, May 30, 2013 at 10:30pm UTC+10
how to visualize light
John TanThursday, May 30, 2013 at 10:31pm UTC+10
not how...you must have that taste...like inner light emanating out... like a form of radiance...then visualize that as if it is healing your entire being and body, into boundlessness as a skillful way of practice
Visualising light from brow was also taught by my mahayana teacher and it is also taught by chnn [Dzogchen teacher Chogyal Namkhai Norbu - I believe it was this book https://www.amazon.com/Cycle-Day-Night-Namkhai-Norbu/dp/0882680404]
Very good! JT is so clear about all these subtleties, different aspects of the path. It's really incredible.