Soh
May this inspire anyone seeking self-realization. This post made 18 hours ago so far has 379 upvotes and growing.
Posted byu/DerJogge
18 hours ago
I'm free - I'm no longer a slave to my mind
Hello humans out there,
I'm finally free. I'm finally free of all the pain, depression, misery, anxiety, hate, judgement, intolerance, worrying, etc. I'm having troubles to put into words but I try my best to describe it: I don't longer get disrupted by my own mind. I'm not longer identifying with the nagging voice inside me that is causing all the problems I had. I'm no longer addicted to my negative thought-patterns. I'm not longer forced to follow every thought that pops up. I can choose whether I want to follow that thought, I'm able to let the thought fade away.
Something about my story. I'm 24 years old and I'm struggled with depression, anxiety and the general lack of happiness and pure joy. I lost it through different factors that all came together at the same time and I was not able to get it back. For over 6 years ... I went through hell and back, literally. I was close to suicide several times but the action itself was never an option. I wouldn't have bailed out, never, not under the worst conditions. But I took so many drugs, it's a wonder I'm able to write this text right now.
Alcohol, cigarettes, amphetamines, MDMA, cocaine, weed, video gaming, porn/masturbation, coffee. I stopped it all since about 5 months and went cold turkey from everything. It got better to a certain point, I started taking responsibilities for my actions, I started doing things for my future, I moved out from my parents house, I started my drivers license, I picked up a job again, I signed up for university and started this October, I found a girlfriend (the best you could possibly imagine, in every aspect), I went to the gym 5 times a week and got a ripped body, I explored my city and started new hobbies. I basically did everything in my eyes to reach happiness - but I couldn't reach it. I always looked back into the past and ahead into the future. I was thinking that I will reach a point where all my symptoms get better and I thought I'm not happy because of my body's inability to produce and release enough neurotransmitters. I supplemented so many things because I thought my body was lacking some form of key element. I thought of so many things that could be the problem. I worried so much about my tinnitus and visual snow (optical disturbance that messes up your vision) - that these two things will stick to me my whole life. I was so stressed out by all my efforts to "feel happy" and I always thought that there is something extremely wrong with me. I was not able to concentrate on something longer then 5 seconds without pulling in so much effort, my memory was so bad, I felt so tired the whole time, I felt negatively overwhelmed by life and it started impacting my life to the point again where me and my girlfriend had a big argue that nearly cost me the relationship. But I just couldn't solve the problem why I was feeling and experiencing things like that. And the fear inside me grew that I will never reach a point of satisfaction in life. Pure joy, pure happiness, pure enjoyment.
Oh boy was I wrong. I found the solution to all my problems. I found the solution to the problems of so many people around me. I understood why everything is as it is. Everything started making sense.
On Thursday and Friday there was happening something inside me that I can't really explain in simple words, the importance of it is to huge and impactful: I had a realization, a deep lying understandment, a satisfaction inside me arrived and it's growing since then. I started feeling a deep love for myself, the people around me, for people I hated before, for things I didn't like, basically for everything. I developed a deep understandment and acceptance for the behavior and actions of so many humans. The pain went away. The anxiety and depression went away. The question towards the meaning of life went away. I became satisfied and happy with everything as it is and I know this feeling will never leave me again because I know its root.
My mind was hijacked. Since 6 years I wasn't the captain of my own ship. I wasn't able to control my mind. I wasn't able to stop the thoughts, especially the bad ones. They were playing in a loop over and over again. I got my mind back from my ego. The ego I fed. The ego that craved all the drugs and stimulation. The ego that desired the future and loved thinking about my miserable past. It reminded me that I wasn't happy. It reminded me of every negative aspect of my life. The ego that most of us people haves. The ego that creates so much pain in this world. And the more you feed it the more it grows. But I stopped it. I no longer listend to the nagging voice. I said fuck off to my ego. I literally told it to stay away from me. And it worked. I'm no longer identified with my thoughts. My thoughts are now just a tool that I can use to solve problem or to think about something useful and positive. I started to enjoy every second of my life. My girlfriend and I talked yesterday and she was so stunned by the fact of how insanely positive I was behaving and thinking. We talked about the argue and burried it. Since then she is so heavily more in love with me because I'm showing her my real love in such a purity that there is no other emotion to feel.
I felt so happy a few hours ago that I had so much energy I had to take my bike and take a tour through my rainy, dark city and I just drove around looking for a place to write this texted with a big smile on my face. I somehow landed in my universities library. Sunday nearly 00:00. I'm sitting here with a focus and clearance in mind. I feel the tiredness since I only slept 4 hours but it doesn't affect or bothers me. I'm no longer holding onto the thought of tiredness.
I hope you have slight feeling of how I'm feeling. I found what I was looking for since 6 years. My happiness. It was there the whole. My love was there to the whole time. Everything was there the whole time. I just was so busy with thinking the whole time that I couldn't feel anything else. That's all. Nothing more - nothing less. It's simple as that. My ego was shouting around inside my head. So the voice of love couldn't reach me. But this is over now forever - I know it deep down in my heart. I found the true me. The true I.
Don't identify with your thoughts, ego or whatever negative voice (thoughts) that is inside your head. Do this long enough and keep coming back to the present whenever you drift away. Do this for a few days and you set yourself free. Basically meditate the whole day while you're doing things
I started reading Eckhard Tolle's book: The power of now. I don't wanna advertise or praise but I can highly recommend it all. I only read 50 pages but those 50 pages put the puzzle and necessary informations I already had together.
I really don't know what exactly happened or caused the shift in conscious but I don't question it, I accept and enjoy it and go along with it.
I'm no longer a slave of my mind.
I'm so fucking hyped to explore this new wonderful world.
I'm free, it was about time.
Love
Soh
by Adyashanti
“At any moment when all of our senses come together and really start to work as a coherent whole, when they’re all intermingled, they actually create another sense.”
Our senses need to become refined, and the way our senses become refined is by starting to live through our senses again. It’s a great spiritual practice—a great human thing, but especially a great spiritual practice—to really be connected to your senses. You go outside and you actually feel the cold or the warmth on your skin. You don’t just take quick note of it and you’re off to the next abstract thought that flows through your brain, but you actually feel the cold or the warmth on your skin.
You really see what you’re looking at. You see it because you’re actually looking at it. We can have our eyes open but not really notice very much. You can look at something without having any of your senses online except vision. It’s almost like a computer looking around: “Okay, I’m taking it in—blue, white, ceiling, floor.” People live most of their life doing something like that. Or you can actually feel and sense what you see. Your sense of seeing and your sense of feeling are now operating in a kind of tandem.
It seems to me that either what evokes this noticing or what actually brings it into operation is the capacity of the heart to experience life in a tremendously deep and intimate way. Of course, it’s easier when you look at a tree or some flowers, something with some beauty to it. If you’re looking at them with any attention at all, you’ll realize it evokes a sense, a feeling. Your vision and the feel of something are operating in one moment. You’ve got at least two of your senses cooperating.
Actually, I think all of the senses are meant to work as a coherent whole. Their original way of operating is where you see and feel and hear and taste and touch things all at once, like the great composer who could not only hear music, but see music in his mind’s eye. How many people see music?
At any moment when all of our senses come together and really start to work as a coherent whole, when they’re all intermingled, they actually create another sense. That sense is what I’m calling the heart. All of a sudden, life is experienced in a very different way. As the great Zen Master Dogen said, “It is to be enlightened by the ten thousand things.” It’s an interesting thing to be enlightened by the ten thousand things—meaning everything. It’s to be enlightened by what you see and hear and taste and touch and feel, to be enlightened by the world.
So this is the awakening of the heart. You can just do whatever you’re doing, look at whatever you’re looking at, and imagine that somehow there’s something in the heart that’s actually part of the process of what you see. You’re seeing from it. You’re looking from it. Immediately it will change your experience. It will become a more intimate experience of being. It really doesn’t matter what you’re doing if you start to do it from the heart.
From Adyashanti’s May 22, 2018 Tahoe Retreat Talk
Kyle Dixon shared with me resources describing first bhumi years ago, "The Daśabhūmika sūtra, and its commentary by Vasubandhu. Candrakīrti’s Madhyamakāvatāra. The Avataṃsaka.
But I’m not sure how extensive the descriptions are. The first bhūmi is without a doubt the first instance of insight into emptiness.
There’s no doubt this is anatta."
Someone thinks that the First Bhumi corresponds with the I AM realization. I disagreed and explained why:
I hope he doesnt stop there.
First bhumi is at least Thusness Stage 5 -- realization of anatman.
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html
- This realization is always the first (in the cases I know, as in me and you) and it's not easily reversible, so it fits as a first ground (bhumi). That's their meaning...
- It's very, very joyous, as we all know, as it's the first glimpse of real espirituality. Real change in the mind. Real "seeing" of truth, even it's not final.
- As the first bhumi is in the path of seeing (and the rest in the path of meditation), it also fits.
- Tradition doesnt say that you realize Anatta in the 1st Bhumi, saya that there's the first glimpse of emptiness (sunyata). And certainly for the first time the meditator faces something without característics, some kind of "atman" or emptiness-I
Hug!
I'll answer both anyway --
It is very clear from the text that he is describing I AM realization, being exactly how I would describe it as well, as I have been through the Thusness 7 Stages myself. Even if you have not gone through those 7 stages, if you just compare the description of Thusness Stage 1 (see http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.sg/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html ) with the redditor's description, you will find that it is similar.
Examples from his writings -- "I found the true me. The true I."
"Get aware of this worrying voice and manage not to identify with it anymore and every time you're aware of it you manage to make the gap bigger between you (the awareness) and the ego."
His experience is very similar to Eckhart Tolle's description of the I AM awakening. Also as Longchen/Simpo wrote many years ago,
https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/09/a-compilation-of-simpos-writings.html
"I think Eckhart Tolle may have been suffering alot and suddenly he 'let go' of trying to work out his problems. This results in a dissociation from thoughts which give rise to the experience of Presence.
To me, 'I AM' is an experience of Presence, it is just that only one aspect of Presence is experienced which is the 'all-pervading' aspect. The non-dual and emptiness aspect are not experienced.. Because non-dual is not realised (at I AM stage), a person may still use effort in an attempt to 'enter' the Presence. This is because, at the I AM stage, there is an erroneous concept that there is a relative world make up of thoughts AND there is an 'absolute source' that is watching it. The I AM stage person will make attempts to 'dissociated from the relative world' in order to enter the 'absolute source'.
However, at Non-dual (& further..) stage understanding, one have understood that the division into a relative world and an absolute source has NEVER occcured and cannot be... Thus no attempt/effort is truly required."
Furthermore, I just wrote today as a comment to the redditor's post:
"Yes. The post indicates I AM realization and shouldn’t be mistaken as finality though every realization does appear final in some ways. I AM realization also comes with doubtless certainty, this is why he speaks with such confidence.
This is also why he resonated with The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, which is also speaking from the I AM realization. He will also like Ramana Maharshi, if he finds his book in future. He will not understand or resonate with Daniel Ingram or Actual Freedom at this stage as Daniel’s insight is more on anatta."
Now -- as to why I said first bhumi requires the realization of anatta as in Thusness Stage 5, well, this is standard sutric criteria for the attainment of First Bhumi. You can find this information everywhere. It can also be argued that first bhumi is in fact Thusness Stage 5 and 6 (based on the descriptions in http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-mahayana-model-of-awakening_2.html ) combined, in any case, all agree there must be at least the realization of Anatman (stage 5).
I like Mipham Rinpoche's description of the first bhumi (first ground) too -
"...The corpus of the doctrines of Maitreya and the scriptures of the great chariot, Asaṅga, both teach with a single intent that a person on the ground of motivated conduct184 first understands all phenomena to be merely mind, and then experiences that the mind has nothing to perceive. Then, at the time of the supreme quality on the path of joining,185 one realizes that since the perceived does not exist, neither does the perceiver. Right after this, the truth of suchness, which is free from dualistic fixation, is directly realized. This is said to be the attainment of the first ground.
Duckworth, Douglas. Jamgon Mipam: His Life and Teachings (p. 151). Shambhala. Kindle Edition."
"- This realization is always the first (in the cases I know, as in me and you) and it's not easily reversible, so it fits as a first ground (bhumi). That's their meaning..."
Not really. Many people (most people I know) go through the I AM and non dual first before anatta and emptiness, but not all. Daniel M. Ingram realized anatta but did not go through the I AM realization first. After his realization of anatta, he did stumble across a "post-8th-jhana/pure land jhana" state which he describes as the "all-pervading Watcher" or Presence, and that is similar to I AM. But he categorized it as a jhanic state and he only accessed it after anatta. It is not so important to him.
There are also other cases who realize anatta and emptiness without going through the I AM phase. Take for example, this Mahamudra practitioner -
2008 Conversation with Thusness:
(4:15 PM) AEN: tsultrim serri:
(4:15 PM) AEN: Initiated a file transfer
(4:15 PM) AEN:
(Mind has often been likened to a mirror, but the analogy goes only so far, because mirrors exist and mind doesn't, well let's say that one can touch mirrors. What existence means, particularly at these levels, would be a fruitful topic, but one that i will not cover. Also , mind doesn't really reflect phenomena, it is the phenomena themselves. This is covered further down in these 4 prajnas, but for clarity i thought i should mention that.
(4:15 PM) AEN:
"Thusness' or "suchness" is what one feels with the experience of emptiness. It is a solid sense of being (yes, emptiness has a solid or one could say rich feeling). The luminescence of mind can be compared the the surface of a mirror. If the mirror is dirty it doesn't have a bright surface, and if mind is filled with obscuration its awareness is dimmed. With the experience of emptiness, phenomena become more vivid. It is said in the post that this confirms one's entrance into Zen. In the vajrayana, this vividness of mind is called "osel" in Tibetan, and it is a sign that one has entered the vajrayana. In my experience, this is quite far along the path. To get to this point, one would have to experience egolessness of self, egolessness of other, nondualty, emptiness, and only then luminosity.)
(4:16 PM) Thusness: very good.
(4:16 PM) AEN: from another thread: "Exist is a tricky word in Buddhism. Mind does not exist in the sense of being a thing, but it does exist as well, otherwise how would we be able to see, hear etc.
Having said that, for an individual, there is nothing "outside of awareness." Everything that happens to us happens in our awareness(it's not ours, but so what). Furthermore, we are literally everything that happens in our awareness. There is no self; we are simply the world. if we see a chair in our kitchen, that is what we are at that moment since there is no separation between phenomena and mind. Phenomena are mind and mind is phenomena. smile.gif
Tsultrim"
(4:17 PM) Thusness: where u get this?
(4:17 PM) AEN: http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=7692fa535ee30b60543606546d085f85&search_in=posts&result_type=posts
(4:17 PM) AEN: an e-sangha poster
(4:20 PM) AEN: u can go read Kensho in context of the first prajna
(4:20 PM) AEN: he explains the four prajnas in his own words
(4:20 PM) AEN: i think the first poster also have some experience but he mistook buddha-nature as a mirror reflecting, then tsultrim went to comment on the four prajnas himself
(4:21 PM) AEN: http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=78548&hl=
(4:21 PM) AEN: four jnanas i mean
(4:22 PM) Thusness: this tsultrim's insight is stage 6.
(4:23 PM) AEN: oic..
(4:23 PM) Thusness: truly good.
(4:23 PM) AEN: icic..
(4:23 PM) Thusness: not many can truly feel the differences.
(4:23 PM) AEN: oic..
(4:24 PM) Thusness: it is only until a certain phase of experience then that clarity comes.
(4:24 PM) Thusness: and often in tremendous in the stability of thoughtlessness... thought almost seldom arise and one becomes the full vividness of arising phenomena.
(4:25 PM) Thusness: is he a dzogchen practitioner?
(4:25 PM) AEN: oic
(4:25 PM) AEN: i think mahamudra
(4:25 PM) AEN: he talks about the four yoga
(4:25 PM) Thusness: ic
(4:25 PM) AEN: "(Yes, this agrees, in my opinion, with "nonmeditation" in the 4 yogas of mahamudra, the last and most fruitional yoga of mahamudra."
(4:25 PM) AEN: oh
(4:25 PM) AEN: and he linked the 4 jnanas to the 4 yogas
(4:26 PM) Thusness: where?
(4:26 PM) AEN: http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=78548&hl=
(4:26 PM) AEN: tsultrim serri
post Oct 15 2008, 11:36 PM
(5:19 PM) Thusness: actually what he said about prajna and jhana is quite good. But u have to know that it is not the sort of jhana as in concentration.
(5:20 PM) Thusness: it is the experience of effortlessness in non-dual luminosity.
(5:22 PM) Thusness: There will come a time every day mundane activities, practice and enlightenment is just one substance.
(5:24 PM) AEN: no he said jnana
(5:24 PM) AEN: jnana is more like knowledge
(5:24 PM) AEN: not jhana absorption :P
(5:24 PM) AEN: icic..
(5:25 PM) Thusness: ic
(5:26 PM) Thusness: There will come a time when emptiness becomes so clear and the separation is no more then without the need to recall or remind. The last veil that separates is like permanently gone. Then there is no practice because all moments of arising phenomena is just one practice.
(5:28 PM) AEN: oic..
(5:28 PM) AEN: thats what he means by observing emptiness and 'being' emptiness rite
(5:28 PM) AEN: i mean the difference between it
(5:29 PM) AEN: Initiated a file transfer
(5:29 PM) AEN:
In a post above, i distinguished between the two. I know you asked Matylda, but until she replies, if she does, possibly i could be of help.
Prajna is the tool that sees emptiness. It is actually an expansion of awareness, using awareness in the context of mindfulness/awareness. Awareness gets to a point where it discovers the nature of mind which includes emptiness. At that point, awareness transforms into prajna. There are lesser stages of prajna as well, but i would have to review them.
Prajna has been likened to the mother of all the Buddhas, because through its activity the mind that becomes the Buddha mind is born. Actually, it has always been there, and is unborn, but let's not quibble.
(5:29 PM) AEN:
So, prajna sees emptiness. When first seen, however, one feels emptiness as separate from what has discovered it. There is still a slight trace of dualism. We experience this dualism as a seeking for emptinesss ie there is a seeker and something sought. At the realization of jnana, this duality melts, so to speak, and emptiness exists or doesn't exist without a sense of something observing it. Also, one attains wisdom when emptiness arises, not wisdom about anything, simply being in the state of wisdom. With prajna, one observes that wisdom; with jnana, one becomes it.
Tsultrim
(5:35 PM) Thusness: jnana here does not refer to the type of concentration like it said. It is an effortless non-dual luminous experience due to the maturing of prajna.
(5:35 PM) Thusness: I have often said clear until absorbed. Vividness of forms.
(5:36 PM) AEN: oic..
(5:37 PM) Thusness: It is the outcome of the clarity of insight due to the dissolving of that tendency to divide. It is natural, not a form of attention or concentration. This should not be misunderstood.
(5:37 PM) AEN: icic..
(5:38 PM) Thusness: He mentioned about luminosity is the last fruition stage and one must go through emptiness to realise this stage.
(5:39 PM) Thusness: This is not exactly right. :)
(5:39 PM) Thusness: Advaita Vedanta practitioner will experience the opposite. :)
(5:39 PM) AEN: oic..
(5:39 PM) AEN: but for mahamudra it is like that rite?
(5:39 PM) AEN: theravada also?
(5:39 PM) AEN: like dharma dan
(5:40 PM) Thusness: yes
(5:40 PM) AEN: cos rite
(5:40 PM) Thusness: it is because of right view
(5:40 PM) AEN: oic..
(5:40 PM) Thusness: without the right view, u will experience luminosity aspect of awareness without knowing its empty nature.
(5:40 PM) Thusness: that is more dangerous.
(5:40 PM) AEN: oic..
(5:41 PM) Thusness: therefore establishment of right view is most important. Seeds are planted.
(5:42 PM) Thusness: It is better not to experience then to experience the wrong stuff and makes it more difficult to get out of the dualistic experience of Eternal Witness.
(5:42 PM) AEN: icic..
(Though in later years, Thusness and I agree that it's probably a good thing for people to go through the I AM phase first, it can shorten the path provided that there is good guidance, otherwise one can get stuck in I AM for their whole life)
Yes, even the I AM realization is blissful and joyous, but it is not the same as first bhumi. As Thusness said before, Luminosity is Blissful but not liberating. It is the realization of emptiness, or the union of luminosity and emptiness, that is liberating. It is the bliss of nirvana, not just a blissful state of Presence or Clarity.
"- As the first bhumi is in the path of seeing (and the rest in the path of meditation), it also fits."
It is different. In many Buddhist paths, one indeeds start from the direct realization of Presence-Awareness (similar to I AMness). As Lopon Malcolm (qualified and asked to teach Dzogchen by his guru Kunzang Dechen Lingpa) pointed out, in the Dzogchen path, one really starts practicing Dzogchen when one has a direct recognition of Rigpa as the clarity radiance aspect of Rigpa, but this is not yet the realization of emptiness. The realization of emptiness, and first bhumi, happens on the Third out of the Four Visions of Thodgal.
You can read Malcolm (Lopon Namdrol/Malcolm)'s posts in Dharmawheel, I like to read his posts from time to time.
Likewise in Mahamudra, the Luminosity aspect (unfabricated Clarity or Presence) is pointed out in the First Yoga of One Pointedness, yet the first bhumi is only starting from the Yoga of One Taste (where both perceiver and perceived are realized to be empty and the subject/object duality is severed) according to Clarifying the Natural State by Dakpo Tashi Namgyal and his other book Moonlight of Mahamudra.
So on and so forth.
(9:23 PM) Thusness: why i have stated 6?
(9:23 PM) AEN: stated 6?
(9:23 PM) AEN: u mean why have u stated that 6 is needed?
(9:23 PM) Thusness: 6 stages
(9:23 PM) AEN: oic
(9:24 PM) AEN: erm bcos need to go through different level of understanding first?
(9:24 PM) Thusness: because i want to include other religions and mysticism form of enlightenment
(9:24 PM) Thusness: all are included
(9:25 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:26 PM) Thusness: in buddhism only stage 5 onwards is enlightenment
(9:27 PM) AEN: icic
(9:27 PM) Thusness: in christianity and mysticism and hinduism, stage 1 - 4 is enlightenment
(9:27 PM) Thusness: stage 5 onwards is unknown to them
You are completely misunderstanding emptiness as defined by Buddhadharma here.
I suggest reading this article:
https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2009/02/nondual-emptiness-teachings.html
"For those who encounter emptiness teachings after they've become familiar with awareness teachings, it's very tempting to misread the emptiness teachings by substituting terms. That is, it's very easy to misread the emptiness teachings by seeing "emptiness" on the page and thinking to yourself, "awareness, consciousness, I know what they're talking about."
Early in my own investigations I began with this substitution in mind. With this misreading, I found a lot in the emptiness teachings to be quite INcomprehensible! So I started again, laying aside the notion that "emptiness" and "awareness" were equivalent. I tried to let the emptiness teachings speak for themselves. I came to find that they have a subtle beauty and power, a flavor quite different from the awareness teachings. Emptiness teachings do not speak of emptiness as a true nature that underlies or supports things. Rather, it speaks of selves and things as essenceless and free. "
"
• Emptiness is not a substance
• Emptiness is not a substratum or background
• Emptiness is not light
• Emptiness is not consciousness or awareness
• Emptiness is not the Absolute
• Emptiness does not exist on its own
• Objects do not consist of emptiness
• Objects do not arise from emptiness
• Emptiness of the "I" does not negate the "I"
• Emptiness is not the feeling that results when no objects are appearing to the mind
• Meditating on emptiness does not consist of quieting the mind"
Quoting Astus from Dharma Wheel here we have some options:
Tsele Natsok Rangdrol (Lamp of Mahamudra):
some say: 3 stages of simplicity and arriving at one taste - first bhumi and path of cultivation
most say: post-meditation after attaining simplicity - first bhumi / path of sseeing
first stage of simplicity - 1-3 bhumi
medium stage of simplicity - 4-5 bhumi
greater simplicity - sixth bhumi
first stage of one taste - seventh bhumi
medium one taste - eighth bhumi
higher stage of one taste - ninth bhumi
lesser and medium stages of nonmeditation - tenth bhumi
greater nonmeditation - buddhahood/vajradhara, 11-13 bhumi
Dakpo Tashi Namgyal (Mahamudra: The Moonlight):
based on Drelpa Dönsal:
[path of virtuous absorption - one-pointed yoga
path of insight - non-discrimination yoga]
path of meditation (bhumi 2-10) - one taste yoga
buddhahood - nonmeditation yoga
based on Je Gyare:
path of spiritual merit - preparatory practices
path of virtuous absorption - one-pointed yoga
path of insight - nondiscrimination yoga
path of meditation - one flavor yoga
9-10 bhumi - lower-middle nonmeditation
buddhadhood - greater nonmeditation
Tashi Namgyal's own:
path of spiritual merits and first ground - preparatory practices and three levels of one-pointed yoga
path of virtuous absorpation and ground of joy - three levels of nondiscriminatory yoga
path of insight and meditation, 1-10 grounds - 1-3 levels of one flavor and 1-2 levels of nonmeditation
buddhahood - greater nonmeditation
Of all the quoted options, mi favorite is relating the first bhumi to I AM and to the culmination of One-pointness and beginning of Simplicity.
But, who really knows?
"The three meditation stages of One Taste and the lesser
and medium Nonmeditation corresponds to the duration
from the level of the first bhumi and the path of seeing, as
well as to the path of cultivation from the second to the
tenth bhumi."
Clearly Dakpo Tashi Namgyal is stating the first bhumi starts with One Taste.
In any case, the Yoga of Simplicity does have some insight into emptiness, yet somehow the anatta nondual sort of realization is missing and only comes in the Yoga of One Taste in the Mahamudra system.
I'm 100% confident that I AM cannot be equated with First Bhumi. Why? First Bhumi is like the Mahayana equivalent of Stream Entry.
All views of Self (or inherent existence) are eliminated in that direct realization of emptiness, and the complete elimination of self-view is the criteria from scriptures for both Stream Entry and 1st Bhumi (even after the elimination of self-view, traces of self can arise like the leftover stench of a jar when its contents are poured out -- see Khemaka Sutta -- but the self will not be seen as real and existing, when all traces of self are eliminated one attains liberation ala Arahantship or 8th bhumi).
Therefore, Thusness Stage 1 and 4 are automatically disqualified as possible candidates of both first bhumi and stream entry, as all of them have not yet overcome various gross and subtle views of eternalism and essentialism or self-view.
You cannot possibly hold the view of an eternal Self, source and substratum, and still claim to be free from views of Self.
If I have time I will try to find some sutra quotations of first bhumi.
It's just an opinion. I think my understading of buddhist emptiness is quite solid.
Remember I said "some kind of emptiness-I"... I didnt meaning sunyata.
If the first bhumi was realizing Anatta, why would they say that "it's the first glimpse of emptiness"?
Samdhinimorcana sutra speaks a lot about bhumis, and never says something even close to that...
If we all realize first I AM, and it's a ground, how could it not be the first ground?
Descriptions of this first ground, are not super clear, but they're not in contradition with my point.
Anyway, it not really important, we have to walk all of them :)
Sorry, I couldnt read all you posted, too much. Buy I thank you the effort.
True, but other Mahamudra masters say different thing. So it's not clear at all.
>First Bhumi is like the Mahayana equivalent of Stream Entry.
Not clear about that. Any sutric support for this affirmation? Anyway it's a nice point. A good one.
But all the Mahamudra yogas, are somekind of "ground".
Anyway I agree Anatta is realized across one-taste. And that's the important part... :)
As T. says: Have a nive journey!
- John Powers, Introduction to Tibetan Buddhism
Also, from a Buddhist Glossary -
Two emptinesses (二空) include (1) emptiness of self, the ātman, the soul, in a person composed of the five aggregates, constantly changing with causes and conditions; and (2) emptiness of selves in all dharmas—each of the five aggregates, each of the twelve fields, and each of the eighteen spheres, as well as everything else with no independent existence. No-self in any dharma implies no-self in a person, but the latter is separated out in the first category. Realization of the emptiness of self in a person will lead to attainment of Arhatship or Pratyekabuddhahood. Bodhisattvas who have realized both emptinesses ascend to the First Ground on their Way to Buddhahood.
Also, from Chinese commentary on sutras:
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-mahayana-model-of-awakening_2.html
1. The Joyous Ground: The Bodhisattva's initial entrance into sainthood, breaking through the confusion of views, realizing the principle of twofold emptiness of person and dharma. (The Bodhisattva) gives rise to great joy, therefore it is called The Joyous Ground. At this ground, (one) accomplishes the Paramita of Dana (generosity) among the Bodhisattva Ten Paramitas.
Commentary: View-Confusion - the various forms of delusional and deviant views, extreme views (e.g. eternalism/nihilism, existence/non-existence), self views, etc.
Dana - Generosity, has the meaning of 'relinquishment'.
Paramita - has the meaning of 'to the other shore'.
(Chinese: 一、欢喜地:为菩萨初得圣性,破见惑,证人法二空之理,生大欢喜,故名欢喜地。于此地成就菩萨十波罗蜜中之檀波罗蜜。(注:见惑──种种妄见、邪见、边见、我见等之妄惑。檀──布施,即舍义。波罗蜜──乃到彼岸的意思。) )
Also, ask any Lamas/Rinpoches/Teachers and they can affirm that the first Bhumi Bodhisattva has direct realization of Sunyata (Emptiness). Not anything like Atman-Brahman.
You will never find any sutras that state the first bhumi Bodhisattva realizes Atman-Brahman, on the contrary, they will state that the first bhumi Bodhisattva realizes Emptiness - Sunyata.
Also "ground" just means a stage of attainment. It has nothing to do with an Atman-Brahman.
"The Sanskrit term bhūmi literally means "ground" or "foundation". Each stage represents a level of attainment, and serves as a basis for the next one. Each level marks a definite advancement in one's training, that is accompanied by progressively greater power and wisdom."
I discussed the differences in:
https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/10/differentiating-i-am-one-mind-no-mind.html
https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/11/no-mind-and-anatta-focusing-on-insight.html
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/09/difference-between-thusness-stage-4-and.html
This is the case of Tsultrim -- his insights of emptiness has arisen before nondual anatta luminosity.
The Vijñāptimātratāsiddhi or Discourse on the Perfection of Consciousness-only states: "Of the ten bhumis, the first is the Joyous ground. The initial attainment of Saintliness, realizing Two Emptinesses (of Self and Phenomena), being able to benefit oneself and others, great joy arises."
(My translation)
"b. The five additional qualities of lineage, elimination, realization, ability, and progression 6 (1) The first bodhisattva ground transcends the levels of ordinary beings, Shravakas, and Pratyekabuddhas. The Bodhisattvas who enter this ground become members of the family of the Tathagatas; they will never more stray to other paths, for their lineage is now irreversible. (2) The Bodhisattvas on this ground have a direct realization of the nonexistence of the self. This enables them to abandon the three fetters:
the view of the transitory composite, the belief in the superiority of their ethical discipline, and doubt—together with all the obscurations eliminated on the path of seeing. (3) Because they have attained the sublime qualities of realization and have eliminated all defects, the Bodhisattvas experience an extraordinary happiness, which is why this ground is called Perfect Joy. (4) At the same time, the Bodhisattvas acquire one hundred and twelve powers, such as the miraculous ability to cause a hundred different worlds to tremble. 63 These are the qualities of their extraordinary, indeed sublime attainment. 7 Finally, (5) the Bodhisattvas’ quality of progression means that they joyously proceed to the higher grounds, from first to second and so forth.
c. Birth in the lower realms is no longer possible"
Etc etc
From Introduction to the Middle Way: Chandrakirti's Madhyamakavatara with Commentary by Ju Mipham
Someone asked: The topic has another question hidden in it: How does the śrāvaka stream-entrant differ in his realization from the bodhisattva stream-entrant other than the former theoretically missing the foundations of bodhicitta?
Acarya Malcolm: The answer, according to Candrakīrti, is that their realization of emptiness is the same, in so far as they both realize the absence of inherent existence.
What's the difference between a Buddha and a Bodhisattva...?
The Uttaratantra states:
Sentient beings are completely afflicted.
Ārya-bodhisattvas are awakened and are gradually exhausting affliction, they are “impure and pure” because 7th bhūmi and below are the “impure bhūmis” and 8th and above are “pure bhūmis. An ārya is an awakened practitioner who has direct non-conceptual realization of emptiness. The first bhūmi marks the initial realization of emptiness, and then that knowledge is integrated and stabilized by virtue of the gradual removal of obscurations, the remaining bhūmis (along with the five paths) measure that process of exhausting obscurations. In this context an ārya and a bodhisattva are synonymous, and sometimes the contraction “ārya-bodhisattva,” is used.
Buddhas have removed all obscurations and have therefore eliminated all affliction from their mindstreams. Thus they are considered “extremely pure,” in the Uttaratantra’s definition.
But yes like you said, bodhisattvas are still “on the path,” whereas Buddhas are totally liberated.