[19/6/22, 12:32:58 AM] John Tan: Do u know what I mean?
[19/6/22, 1:15:04 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Hmm… we are always dealing with designations post equipoise, just that post insights there is the added benefit of seeing that designated entities are not inherently existing but dependently designations
[19/6/22, 1:15:35 AM] Soh Wei Yu: May
Ultimate and Relative
"If asked what I am most drawn to (in Tsongkhapa's teachings), I am most drawn to Prasangika's "mere imputation". The quintessence of "mere imputation" is IMO the essence of Buddhism. It is the whole of 2 truths; the whole of 2 folds. How the masters present and how it is being taught is entirely another matter. It is because in non-conceptuality, the whole of the structure of "mere imputation" is totally exerted into an instantaneous appearance that we r unable to see the truth of it. In conceptuality, it is expanded and realized to be in that structure. A structure that awakens us the living truth of emptiness and dependent arising that is difficult to see in dimensionless appearance."
"In ultimate (empty dimensionless appearance), there is no trace of causes and conditions, just a single sphere of suchness. In relative, there is dependent arising. Therefore distinct in relative when expressed conventionally but seamlessly non-dual in ultimate."

"When suchness is expressed relatively, it is dependent arising. Dependent designation in addition to causal dependency is to bring out a deeper aspect when one sees thoroughly that if phenomena is profoundly without essence then it is always only dependent designations."

- Thusness, 2015
Labels: Dependent Designation, Dependent Origination, Emptiness, Madhyamaka |

[19/6/22, 1:26:49 AM] John Tan: Yes. And uprooting of inherent and dualistic tendencies does not mean we stop engaging thoughts, stop comparing, stop categorising, unable to discern self and others.  But experience is  non-dual, free and open even when fully engaging in these activities.
[19/6/22, 1:27:28 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic.. yeah
[19/6/22, 1:34:52 AM] John Tan: But non-gelug school sees conventional and ultimate as mutually exclusive.
[19/6/22, 2:00:29 AM] Soh Wei Yu: yeah
[19/6/22, 2:00:38 AM] Soh Wei Yu: actually master shen kai and teacher chen emphasis seems different also
[19/6/22, 2:00:49 AM] Soh Wei Yu: master shen kai is like non gelug, say buddhas have no thoughts at all no concepts
[19/6/22, 2:01:05 AM] Soh Wei Yu: teacher chen always quote the hui neng give rise to thoughts 🤣
[19/6/22, 2:01:26 AM] Soh Wei Yu: i think he is counteracting the tendency among some ren cheng practitioners to go to the extreme of nonthought, nonconceptuality and I AM
[19/6/22, 3:40:38 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Uploaded

[19/6/22, 9:40:43 AM] John Tan: Nothing wrong with that, master Shen Kai is not saying u become a rock but whether u walk or sit, breathe or sweeping floor, one is in a state of open radiance and presence, free of thoughts and concepts.  We just name such a state as meditative equipose in contrast to relative knowing, where we compare, measure and categorize using conceptual thoughts as post equipose.  But when u realized anatta esp when u mature the insight, there is actually no entry or exit in taste.
[19/6/22, 9:48:50 AM] John Tan: However it is true that most of the time, one is in a natural state of non-dual presence and radiance free of conceptual thoughts.
[19/6/22, 10:32:24 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[19/6/22, 10:38:57 AM] John Tan: The greatest challenge studying Tibetan Buddhism is to sort out those technical jargons and mapping it to anatta insight and when coming out the ATR guide, u better come out a list of what u meant by those terms in ATR...🤣🤦‍♂️

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