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Where does ethics fit into all of this? Right and wrong are simply concepts, they don't actually exist, and there is no objective moral framework at all. However, no matter how deep your insight may be - even if there is not the subtlest form of self remaining, there still seems to be some sort of moral framework by which you/or by which spontaneous action takes place!
I have spoken to people before who claim to have the full realization of no self, and who say that they just play along with morality as if it was some sort of game - there is nothing actually happening at all, and people dying or being tortured is one with a sunrise - but they play the game, anyway. I dont know if anyone else has any better answers than that, or good resources on this. But, it seems like ethics should be an intricate part of all of this, as Gregg Good wrote in his book after awareness.
The conditioning of the body may still remain after awakening, but what is wrong with that conditioned body performing bad acts?
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Rick Indie
A quote from Longchenpa Buddha's "Finding Rest in the Nature of Mind" :
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"By love, is anger driven out;
The sambhogakaya and mirrorlike wisdom
Are completely gained.
The sambhogakaya is adorned
With all the marks, both great and small, of buddhahood.
By compassion, clinging love is banished;
The dharmakaya and the all-discerning wisdom
Are achieved.
The dharmakaya is endowed
With strengths, distinctive qualities, and so forth.
Sympathetic joy removes all jealousy;
The nirmanakaya and the sublime wisdom
All-accomplishing are gained.
The nirmanakaya is manifold with various forms.
Its enlightened action is spontaneously accomplished.
Impartiality removes both pride and ignorance.
The svabhavikakaya is made manifest together with
The wisdom of equality, the wisdom of the dharmadhatu.
The svabhavikakaya is the dharmata
Beyond conceptual elaboration.
Therefore love, compassion, joy, & impartiality(The Four Immeasurables) are of unbounded excellence, and highly praised
By the unequaled Teacher of both gods and humankind.
ANY PATH THAT LACKS THEM IS MISTAKEN."
[End quote]
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It
sounds to me like you were talking to people who erred into a type of
dullness/depersonalization via too much dhyana-meditation probably.
The
thing about morals and emotions is that they arent separate from buddha
nature; they are part of the energy-body of a mindstream, so it's false
to assume emotions get completely annihilated when you find
realization; realization unleashes a different type of
emotional-energetic state; a state of the Four Immeasurables.
These Four Immeasurables are part of the "distinctive qualities" of the
dharmakaya that Longchenpa Buddha described above. TRUE realization
spontaneously &naturally compels a mindstream to exude actions &
morals that are compassionate, which automatically leads to a certain
moral code anyway; and you enact this code NOT because you were simply
told to enact it, but because you directly, experientially know the
truth of why its the most beneficial code. Its like how a river
naturally comes rushing out once its no longer oppressed by a dam.
It
may take training to get there initially, but true realization frees
you so that moralistic compassion finally expresses itself freely,
spontaneously, and naturally. These compassionate morals will naturally
radiate through you as a result of gradually exhausting the Three
Poisons, and also as a result of breaking free from emotional dullness.
Yin Ling
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Rick Indie yes the above in OP is a nihilistic thinking. It’s the most dangerous amongst all dangers in the spiritual path.
Yin Ling
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This is an important question, I am glad you asked.
No
self is the nature of reality. In Buddhism the deepest aspect of no
self is equivalent to no inherent existence, or better known as
emptiness.
No
self is not something you created and impute on top of reality or
choose to believe. It is the nature, like how our body digest food
naturally.
So it’s not like, oh I realise no self, so there’s no one there to be responsible for anything.
Knowing that, whatever is happening in our world now DO NOT change. It’s only the nature that we realise correctly.
if you plant an apple seed, you get an apple tree.
You don’t study for exams, you fail.
You jump into cold water, you freeze.
You act stupid and scream at your partner, the marriage will break up.
Cause
and effects are tenable, because of no inherent existence/emptiness,
this is key. This is a super extremely important statement, you have to
digest it slowly.
So
when one really understand no self, realise it, one will understand how
cause and effect will contribute to the manifestation of this
appearance that is “not truly there”…
This is the way the “not truly there” display manifest- they manifest dependently on cause and conditions, do you follow?
So
these ppl who realise no-self in terms of no inherent existence and
really understood dependent arising, they will respect cause and
condition even more. They will know if they want a better “display” ,
they need to apply better conditions which will manifest that display.
Like how you fertilise and water your soil to manifest a beautiful
flower which has “no self”.
The
body is still there as long as we r human, I kinda want a roof above my
head and not be too poor whilst this human “display” will go on?
I
also don’t really want to have a new “hell” display in my next life
because my practice is not mature to the extent I can go to hell to help
without fear yet.
So
I respect karma, cause and conditions. I don’t even dare have an evil
thought knowing that will eventually manifest in something quite
troublesome for me, let alone actions that are harmful.
That’s my opinion:)
Mr./Ms. TG
Yin Ling nice!
