Mr. A. J.:

Have you compiled a book or something to guide a person from I am to Anatta stages in a graded way?


Hmm i'm outside now.. will reply your messages later

But i have a guide but its messy and long and still being edited

U can see if any pointers help

Mr. A. J.:

Thanks Soh !

    Thusness: ...To be more exact, the so called 'background' consciousness is that pristine happening. There is no a 'background' and a 'pristine happening'. During the initial phase of non-dual, there is still habitual attempt to 'fix' this imaginary split that does not exist. It matures when we realized that anatta is a seal, not a stage; in hearing, always only sounds; in seeing always only colors, shapes and forms; in thinking, always only thoughts. Always and already so. -:)

    This is beautiful. This is exactly what I am realizing.


Are you doubtless about this yet?

Mr. A. J.:
I mean I am not in disagreement with this experience. I have an intuition of this and I would like to mature this and stabilize in this experience.
I was wondering about the methodology. Should it be only contemplation or is there some inquiry approach that can work along with contemplation.


i see. you can do a little case study... lol. since you have the time, it might be good to go through these. a good thing about atr is that so far, many people who came across our group and blog has realised anatta. i estimate about 40 people. so i have collected some of their writings and even requested some to write a little.

from all these cases, you can see that some of them have slightly different trigger points. you can look into them and see what is their inquiry and contemplations that triggered the shift of insight for me. for me it is a sort of experiential contemplation or inquiry into the nature of 'consciousness' through bahiya sutta.

for john tan it was the two stanzas of anatta --

for me, slightly different, although not all that different, it was through contemplating on bahiya sutta to penetrate the subject-action-object dichotomy -- ,

for ajahn amaro i think it is also bahiya sutta - ,

for soto zen priest and teacher alex r. weith, it is through bahiya sutta -

i think you will like the approach of kyle dixon, because he approaches deconstruction and contemplation from many angles even quite early on, not just from the aspect of anatta, which is why he penetrated into twofold emptiness pretty quickly, so, highly recommended reading - and - you can see that he actually also integrated a little bit of his insights from Madhyamika, DP, j krishnamurti, alan watts etc along with AtR, dzogchen, all into it

for robert dominik too there was a series of contemplations and inquiries -

for nafis rahman the most recent to breakthrough to anatta, it was through triggered while contemplating on two books which was recommended by atr/myself -

for joel agee , reading a verse on dzogchen triggered the insight -

for td unmanifest, its the two nondual contemplations in the atr guide and zen master dogen's uji that led to his insights -
kyle dixon is very clear about view and realization and experience are clear.. he practices dzogchen and his teacher arcaya malcolm smith is also clear. might want to read this on madhyamika, will help: and

btw arcaya malcolm smith is teaching dzogchen in two weeks, an online course. if you're interested you can join his group and check out:

What Is The "Me"? by Toni Packer

Mr. A. J.:

Thank you so much Soh ! That's quite a wealth of material. I'll surely go through all this and find my way 🙂

Thanks indeed !

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