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Soh Wei Yu
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Malcolm's
teachings are very clear. So I recommend those who wish to learn and
practice Dzogchen to sign up and attend his teachings. www.zangthal.com
ZANGTHAL.COM
Zangthal
Sim Pern Chong
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Soh Wei Yu Thanks for the link... I just bought the ebook version.
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His
entire talk series in videos commenting on each chapter of the book are
also available online, but have to sign up to join the forum first
before you can purchase it. I think need to receive direct introduction
from him first also
William Lim
So why when phenomenon is empty (has no inherent existence) = phenomenon doesn't arise
* Note to Soh Wei Yu aka Anatta Bot, kindly summarize (instead of cut and paste) like the way your rival Chat GPT does 
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William Lim as Kyle Dixon wrote two weeks ago:
Nāgārjuna states the following:
That
which comes into being from a cause, and does not endure without
conditions, it disappears as well when conditions are absent - how can
this be understood to exist?
Going on to say:
Since it comes to and end when ignorance ceases; why does it not become clear then that it was conjured by ignorance?
This
is the actual meaning, and the heart of dependent origination, which is
nonarising [anutpāda]. For an object to inherently exist it must exist
outright, independent of causes and conditions, independent of
attributes, characteristics and constituent parts. However, we cannot
find an inherent object independent of these factors, and the
implications of this fact is that we likewise cannot find an inherent
object within those factors either.
The
object itself, as the core entity which possesses characteristics, is
ultimately unfindable. We instead only find a designated collection of
pieces, which do not in fact create any discrete object. In the absence
of an object the pieces are likewise rendered as incapable of being
"pieces" or "parts" and therefore they are also nothing more than
arbitrary designations that amount to nothing more than inferences.
This
means that all entities, selves, and so on are merely useful
conventional designations, their provisional validity is only measured
by their efficacy, and apart from that conventional imputation, there is
no underlying object that can be ascertained or found.
Dependent
origination is the apparent origination of entities that seem to
manifest in dependence on causes and conditions. But as Nāgārjuna states
above, those causes and conditions are actually the ignorance which
afflicts the mindstream, and the conditions of grasping, mine-making and
I-making which are the drivers of karmic activity that serve to reify
the delusion of a self, or a self in objects, and so on.
This
is why many adepts are explicitly clear that dependent origination is
synonymous with a lack of origination [anutpāda], because phenomena that
originate in dependence on ignorance as a cause, never actually
originate at all, for example, Candrakīrti states:
The perfectly awakened buddhas proclaimed, "What is dependently originated is non-arisen.”
Or Mañjuśrī:
Whatever is dependently originated does not truly arise.
Nāgārjuna once again:
What originates dependently is non-arisen!
Thus
dependent origination is incapable of producing existence of any sort,
because dependent origination is incapable of producing entities.
Entities and existence only appear because of the ignorance which
afflicts your mind. When that ignorance is removed, all perceptions of
existence are removed, all perceptions of selves are removed and all
perceptions of origination are removed.
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AWAKENINGTOREALITY.COM
My Favourite Sutra, Non-Arising and Dependent Origination of Sound
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Just my opinion only. This is how i understand it... and its very simple and direct.
I use an analogy.
If
there is just 'space' -originally-.. can any 'thing' be produced out of
space? If for anything to be produced out of space, there will need to
be a secondary medium. But can 'voidness' have a secondary medium? It
cannot.
Hence,
there can be no arising at all. To imply arising is to have some
'thing' distinct that is separated from another thing. But it is not
possible.
Hence, even at this very experience now.. it is non dual.
Since
it is non-dual, any kind of grasping, implies that there is duality
hence needing the correction. So, we just leave it as it is..
'Perfection' is the approximation of this..
Soh Wei Yu[10:10 PM, 4/12/2021] John Tan: The DO part is really good.
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] John Tan: When did malcom say that? Recently or in the past?
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: oic..
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=36315&p=577078#p577078
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: from above
[10:12 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: the others from here https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=36283&p=577115#p577115
[10:30 PM, 4/12/2021] John Tan: Many misunderstand that oh ultimately it is empty and DO is conventional therefore conceptual so ultimately empty non-existence.
We must understand what is meant by empty ultimately but conventionally valid. Nominal constructs are of two types, those that are valid and those that r invalid like "rabbit horns". Even mere appearances free from all elaborations and conceptualities, they inadvertently manifest therefore the term "appearances". They do not manifest randomly or haphazardly, they are valid mode of arising and that is dependent arising. When it is "valid" means it is the acceptable way of explanation and not "rabbit horn" which is non-existence. This part I mentioned in my reply to Andre.
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Yes
indeed everything is nondual and equal to space.. although it is also
good to stress that non-arising is to be understood from dependent
origination, for luminous appearances continue to manifest in nondual
and not in a haphazard nor random manner, and dependent origination and
non arising is understood as the nature of this empty clarity. Nondual
unbounded spontaneous presence ultimately and dependently originating
when expressed relatively, the two truths are a union.
John tan expresses nicely:
The Only Way to the Ultimate Truth
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] John Tan: When did malcom say that? Recently or in the past?
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: oic..
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=36315&p=577078#p577078
[10:11 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: from above
[10:12 PM, 4/12/2021] Soh Wei Yu: the others from here https://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=36283&p=577115#p577115
[10:30 PM, 4/12/2021] John Tan: Many misunderstand that oh ultimately it is empty and DO is conventional therefore conceptual so ultimately empty non-existence.
We must understand what is meant by empty ultimately but conventionally valid. Nominal constructs are of two types, those that are valid and those that r invalid like "rabbit horns". Even mere appearances free from all elaborations and conceptualities, they inadvertently manifest therefore the term "appearances". They do not manifest randomly or haphazardly, they are valid mode of arising and that is dependent arising. When it is "valid" means it is the acceptable way of explanation and not "rabbit horn" which is non-existence. This part I mentioned in my reply to Andre.