New dharma talk by Acarya Malcolm Smith

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Mr. TJ
Rangjung = self-arising
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André A. Pais
Rangjung Yeshe is sometimes translated as self-arisen wakefulness.
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Mr. JW
André A. Pais Hi Andre, I'm not very familiar with Dzogchen/Tibetan terms for this stuff, so forgive my stupid question - is Rangjung considered one aspect of sentient beings, a direct synonym for Buddha-nature/the Absolute, or something more nuanced?
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André A. Pais
Rangjung Yeshe, as "primordial awareness," or "self-arisen wakefulness," is synonymous with Buddha-nature, I believe. But Rangjung alone I'm not sure.
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André A. Pais
I'm not sure either if one can say that Buddha-nature is a part of sentient beings, of if it's the other way around - it's sentient beings that are a part of Buddha-nature.
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Chae Cramb
rang byung is short for rang las byung, arising from oneself.
Malcolm usually translates it as self-originated, but it depends on context.
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Stian Gudmundsen Høiland
Care to elaborate the meaning? Arising from oneself, from itself, or of itself?
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William Kong
Thank you all. I’ll have re-to listen to that podcast.
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John Tan:

To me self-originated/arising is just non-afflictive dependent orgination.  (Soh: seems consistent with what Malcolm said in places like http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2009/10/dzogchen-rigpa-and-dependent.html )

The phrase dependent orgination is not used because DO, in classical Buddhist doctrine, is often used to explain the afflictive 12-linked model that initiates from ignorance to explain the cause of suffering.

When mind is free from the 3 sphere of subject-action-object, free from all elaborations, there is no conceptual delineation, no  separation nor union, there is only pure appearances fully exerted as self-arising wisdom.

Dzogchen separates consciousness into "mind" and "wisdom".  Mind is dualistic, conceptual and afflictive whereas wisdom is non-dual, non-conceptual and pure but both are consciousness.  It is just a more elegant way for the purpose of teaching and provides more clarity otherwise it becomes confusing to explain the cause of suffering.  Same goes for DO and self-arising wisdom.  Tsongkhapa and chinese buddhism esp just use DO to explain. That is how I see it. 

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[2:25 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: Malcolm said dependent origination is natural perfection.. just that from like ultimate (forgot the term he used) its like all causes and conditions are empty and there is no distinction of cause and effect.. but its not contradictory. Like the madhyamika refutation of the 4 (diamond slivers) and the six something.. Lhun grub means not made by anyone, everything happens naturally. Dependent origination is not made by anyone and happens naturally

[2:25 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: Malcolm said kyle is the first person to get his view completely

[2:26 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: Also he invited me to join his santa fe dzogchen teaching next year, kyle will be joining

[2:27 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: Kyle asked many qns about rigpa and dzogchen practice.. his main practice now is something like dorje drollo a teaching transmitted by malcolm

[2:29 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: Btw kyle said his anatta insight happened in two phases

[2:30 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: The first one which was very intense and he cried and felt death, no seer no hearer etc and he said something like his thought dunno what sinked below.. and he saw time is an illusion etc and you said thats the most intense anatta you have seen

[2:30 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: Then years later he had another insight which is zero dimensional no distance etc

[2:30 PM, 9/12/2019] Soh Wei Yu: Then i mentioned is it related to your two stanzas of anatta he said yes

[3:03 PM, 9/12/2019] John Tan:

[3:04 PM, 9/12/2019] John Tan: Yes I think you should attend Malcolm dzogchen teaching next year.

[9:10 AM, 9/24/2019] John Tan: But like what Malcolm said, DO is natural perfection.

[9:10 AM, 9/24/2019] John Tan: One just have to realize this.

[24/9/19, 9:11:40 AM] John Tan: Then the mind will rest upon nothing, not even the One Mind. Whatever appears, though a mere reflection, is entire and spontaneously perfect.

[24/9/19, 9:12:21 AM] John Tan: One does not need to sink back to anything else.

[24/9/19, 9:14:05 AM] John Tan: I think geo is clear about this from what he wrote to me. ...however still have have deconstructed "physicality". That is the idea of "physicality" has not been sufficiently deconstructed to become just mere empty sensations dancing in zero dimension.

[24/9/19, 9:15:02 AM] John Tan: If the "physicality" is there, one will b disturbed by the "idea" of interaction and locality.

 

 

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Malcolm:
Depending on context, it means "arising from oneself," for example rang byung ye shes is the "self-originated pristine consciousness" because you discovered it yourself.
In most cases, the reflexive pronoun "rang" refers to things that arise from or within one's own state.
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We can use the example from Ārya-mañjuśrīnāmasaṃgīti-vyākhyāna:
Here, some masters assert that "self-originated" means an entity that does not depend on cause and conditions. However, "self-originated" means that because of arising from oneself, it is self-originate. In uncommon parlance, others claim it means the appearance of the kāyas and pristine consciousnesses arise to oneself.
Another definition can be found given by Viryavajra in his commentary on Cakrasamvara Root tantra
Self-originated: since there is arising from the cause and condition of experiencing the intrinsic luminosity of the mind, but not arising from temporary causes and conditions, there is "self-origination."
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You can say that rang byung ye shes comes from one's subjective experience of luminosity, as above.
ye shes is a quality of rig pa. Hence the term rig pa'i ye shes.
According to Kumaracandara, rang 'byung ye shes is a synonym for omniscience.
According to the the Śrīvajramālāmahāyogatantraṭīkāgaṃbhīrārthadīpikā-nāma
So called self-originated pristine consciousness is the pristine consciousness known for oneself that does not arise from other conditions.
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What about a self-arisen statue, for example? Aren't those 'things'?
Malcolm:
Here, self-arisen means naturally manifesting, without being made by a person.
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Sure. However, I still don't understand how that is not what Nagarjuna was negating in line 1 of the MMK. I'm still missing something...
Malcolm:
here, "self-originated Tara" does not mean that the Tara image is emerging without cause and conditions, it means that no one made it.

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