André A. Pais
Tks. These conversations with Karma Phuntsho are very interesting.
John
Tan, what do you think of the following video, taken from the same
interview, where Jinpa kind of distances Tsongkhapa from the Zen (and
Dzogchen) tradition? Because you've previously made the connection
between Tsongkhapa and Dōgen.
Thupten Jinpa: On the Buddha-Nature of Insentient Things
Thupten Jinpa: On the Buddha-Nature of Insentient Things
Thupten Jinpa: On the Buddha-Nature of Insentient Things
John Tan
André
A. Pais I think Jinpa may not be familiar with zen language and is
taking it too literally rather than metaphorically to express first
person non-dual experience. This is similar to Mipham 2 models of 2
truths, one from authentic/non-authentic experience standpoint and the
other from ontological 2 truth standpoint.
Jinpa
is talking from the ontological 2 truth model where zen or other direct
path traditions r talking from the former authentic experience model.
For
the authentic experience 2-truth model, since both self and others are
de-constructed in the ultimate, the taste of purity, presence and
aliveness permeates everything in experience, both sentient and
insentient included. It doesn't mean the insentient is conscious as in
panpsychism. That is my opinion.
As
for Tsongkhapa and Dogen, both masters respect the conventional and
their attitudes towards conduct and karma are uncompromising. Also
Tsongkhapa deep interest in Avatamsaka Sutra and Dogen's total exertion
make me even want to connect both of them more.
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