Something I've been thinking about lately, any feedback given will be appreciated.
Lately I've just been flowing through each day completely absorbed in everything I'm doing, and then during slower moments I will contemplate or meditate on the insights that I was pointed to thanks to Soh Wei Yu and these are some of the things I've been thinking about:
Without lungs, vocal chords, and mouth, there is no "speech". No vocal chords means no voice, no mouth means no enunciation, and no lungs means no air that can carry the vocal chords' vibration that flows through the shapes of the mouth that shift the sound into different patterns.
No speech means no communication through sound. No communication through sound, and there is only silence with movement such as pointing - at least as far as we know in human experience.
No concepts, no communication. If there is not a connection of a pattern of sound made while there is a pointing toward an "object" to direct attention, then there is no concept or information gathered that that sound is another means to direct attention toward that thing.
No communication in general means no way to attempt to direct or get one's attention. If there's no way to direct attention, there's no way to grow, learn, adapt, survive, and all other things.
No molecules structured by a specific amount and set of atoms to create air... no air aha
No air, then there's nothing to carry sound, and also no life, really.
Listening to the sound of birds tweeting among each other, clearly there's some sort of communication that can't be understood. Drop the concepts of "birds" and "tweeting", and there's only sounds, forms, shapes, and colors.
When there's only sounds, forms, shapes, and colors, it's all just direct experience, Presence moving and shifting in various dimensions. One stream, ultimately.
You see two people talking but one looks confused while the other speaks. Only when the speaking person points at a direction, and simultaneously a sound pattern is spoken by the person, the one who is confused makes a motion with their head that seems to be universally understood as "Yes".
Another scenario; you see two people talking in a cafe and after a certain stream of sound patterns from one person, the other produces a "smile". Stream of sound patterns appear to flow from the smiling person, quickly, loudly, but there's an energy or atmosphere that is "light", "soft", "warm".
Another scenario; you see two people talking in the middle of a street, and you notice one person contorts there face in a certain way that makes them look "angry" after a stream of sound patterns from the other. This "angry" person becomes loud as well, but there's an energy of "heaviness", "harshness". Now streams of sound patterns burst from the two simultaneously, both faces contorted.
Drop the concepts of "people", "speech", "anger", "smiling", etc., and now there's only forms, shapes, colors, sounds, energy, and movement alone. Everything interdependent on each other, the entire universe these moments and the moments are spontaneous. You don't know the "meaning" of the sounds, you don't know the "labels" of the "forms", there's some sort of communication and some sort of reaction.
Concepts are like code but ultimately there is no need to obsess over them. It all occurs effortlessly, if there were no concepts in mind and only Presence while these interactions were occurring then it would simply be movement with no concept of concepts stored in these "forms" and influencing the movement or behaviors of them.
Sound patterns triggering previously learned connections between a sound and a sense-phenomenon and now there is ability to communicate insights, knowledge, and ideas. Those connections build new connections, they're much like Lego blocks. It's all spontaneous, and it's the entire universe "doing" it.
Behaviors and movements still having certain reactions, it shows that just because it is "empty" does not mean that there aren't outcomes or consequences.
Going back to those three scenarios, you see that the interaction between two people with a language barrier ends up leading to the confused one learning a new word, which is helpful for their growth.
You see the interaction at the cafe, and there is a softness in the atmosphere that shows compassion, love, friendship - preservation.
You see the interaction of the two people on the street, and there is a harshness of the behaviors that lead to hatred, violence - destruction.
Simplified, there's "growth", "preservation", "destruction". The universe shifts in so many different ways without any specific destination or end in mind. It's all spontaneous but there are patterns you can see. Each pattern is straightforward in where it "goes".
When there is an entanglement between the senses and concepts, the pattern is confusion. Impermanence does not imply inconsistency. Setting concepts aside, if you could see a "person" walking in the world behaving in certain ways that would be deemed "successful" in the eyes of the world, but then that same person when alone appears to cry and behave in a way that implies hopelessness and imprisonment and lack of passion in their work or success, then there is clearly suffering and pain.
When the senses and concepts are entangled, the "sense of self" becomes "real". The more they unknot, the more that "sense of self" is softened or dissolved.
Everything is alive but there's no "entity".
The "universe" is not an "entity", it is a network of behavior, functions, information, communication. Damn vivid. Equalizing itself, liberating itself, enlightening itself, growing itself, preserving itself, spoiling itself, destroying itself, all based on how things fall in place.
These thoughts aren't mine, these words aren't mine, these behaviors aren't mine, this body isn't mine, nothing is "mine"; ultimately speaking there is no "me" that possesses anything.
This doesn't encourage irresponsibility or apathy, however. When taken in a specific fashion, it's seen that there is more openness. The concepts work like Lego blocks automatically, next thing you know something "clicks", then there is motivation and drive to behave a certain way. No agent who is doing the behaving.
There are moments where I'll walk back home from work and notice that everything is just happening effortlessly. Like it's not necessarily "real" that I am "an individual" in the way I've been taught deeply, but that it's all a dance of sorts that included the being raised to believe "I am an individual" separate from everything and everyone, and that that is "real", and then that this same dance has shifted its appearance that includes this post right here of the understanding on why that isn't "true".
That all there is in Presence even is a recreation of empty luminosity in the form of "memory" that implies "my past" leading up to this point. That even that's a part of the "dance".
I'm not a subject experiencing reality through an object, there is only "experiencing" which includes a stream of conceptualization that starts with "I am" to imply identity. It's just a sound pattern recreated in thought to point out a collection of memories.
And there's still absorption in each moment.
Soh Wei Yu
The maha sort of absorption is important. Not only a state of no mind but when it matures it is like maha. Every activity is the universe-activity.
(7:41 PM) Thusness: the oceanic feeling is important
(7:41 PM) Thusness: it is the 'maha', great, magnificent experience.
(7:42 PM) Thusness: It is the experience of oneness.
(7:42 PM) Thusness: In fact, stage 6 when stabilized give u that experience always...from moment to moment.
(7:42 PM) Thusness: crystal clarity as Oneness.
(7:43 PM) Thusness: As what i have told Star...
(7:43 PM) Thusness: the universe eats an apple.
(7:43 PM) AEN: oic..
(7:43 PM) Thusness: Every sensation becomes sacred. Maha! Great and Magnificent!
(7:45 PM) AEN: icic..
(7:46 PM) AEN: oceanic as an expansive and spacious feeling?
(7:47 PM) Thusness: nope
(7:47 PM) Thusness: as an Oneness feeling.
(7:47 PM) AEN: oic..
(7:47 PM) Thusness: as just that moment of action.
(7:47 PM) Thusness: as a dissolving into just that action.
(7:48 PM) Thusness: normally it is thought to be an absorption stage.
(7:48 PM) Thusness: That resulted due to concentration.
(7:48 PM) AEN: icic..
(7:49 PM) AEN: last time when i meditate i got a sense of expansive and spaciousness... and felt like thoughts, feelings and perceptions are just like ripples on an ocean
(7:49 PM) Thusness: But it is an every moment matter from the perfection of insight point of view.
(7:49 PM) AEN: oic..
(7:49 PM) Thusness: that is no good.
(7:50 PM) Thusness: when there is an 'I AM', u will have that feeling.
(7:50 PM) AEN: icic..
(7:50 PM) Thusness: when u know ur nature is empty-luminosity, u will see all is as 'ME'
(7:51 PM) Thusness: the "I AM" is not more 'ME' than a passing thought.
(7:51 PM) Thusness: than a passing sound.
(7:51 PM) Thusness: than a moment of vibration caused by the MRT.
(7:51 PM) AEN: oic..
(7:52 PM) Thusness: than a moment of sensation when the feet touches the ground.
(7:52 PM) Thusness: This comes from stability of knowing our DO and non-dual nature.
(7:52 PM) AEN: icic..
(7:54 PM) Thusness: Phroggy is quite good.
(7:55 PM) Thusness: unfortunately he involves in too much speculations.
(7:55 PM) AEN: icic..
(7:55 PM) Thusness: sometimes we must know when to stop.
(7:55 PM) Thusness: and let direct experience take over.
(7:56 PM) Thusness: and when to arise and let conceptuality takes over.
(7:56 PM) Thusness: lol
(4:40 PM) Thusness: It is a form of samadhi, the experience of maha.
(4:40 PM) AEN: isit nonduality?
(4:41 PM) Thusness: When division and impersonality are dissolved, it is non-dual.
(4:41 PM) Thusness: Oneness is always experienced.
(4:42 PM) Thusness: and this oneness when experienced and understood correct will provide insight into our anatta nature.
(4:42 PM) Thusness: when wrongly understood, it mislead us into the belief of a common ground and source.
(4:43 PM) Thusness: Which leads to the difference between the idea of 'wave and ocean' and indra-net.
(4:43 PM) Thusness: difference
(4:44 PM) AEN: oic..
(4:44 PM) AEN: but u said one can experience non personality and yet not non dual?
(4:44 PM) Thusness: not anatta
(4:44 PM) Thusness: impersonality but not anatta or non-dual insight.
(4:44 PM) AEN: icic..
(4:46 PM) Thusness: even when the experience of impersonality matures, it does not necessarily lead to the insight of anatta. That Awareness is a verb or a process.
(4:46 PM) Thusness: There is just One Chanting.
(4:46 PM) Thusness: There is just One breathing, one breath.
(4:46 PM) Thusness: into one action...
(4:47 PM) AEN: oic..
(4:48 PM) Thusness: This maha or samadhi like experience appears to be a stage and when wrongly understood mislead one to conclude that we have a common ground. Because of the 'Oneness' experience.
(4:49 PM) Thusness: Being non-dual and impersonal and with the strength of the dualistic tendency, it is almost natural to draw such a conclusion.
(4:49 PM) AEN: icic..
(4:51 PM) Thusness: But when insight arises, it is seen that non-dual experiences are found in the most common and mundane activities.
(4:51 PM) Thusness: Like carry water and chop wood.
(4:51 PM) Thusness: Yet in chop wood and carry water, there is the experience of Oneness.
(4:51 PM) AEN: oic..
(4:51 PM) Thusness: And this is expressed in Zen.
(4:52 PM) Thusness: That in our most ordinary activities, non-dual is experienced.
(4:52 PM) AEN: ?????:
(4:52 PM) AEN: the ???? is like u said one action?
(4:52 PM) Thusness: yes
(4:52 PM) Thusness: This is an important aspect of self-liberation too.
(4:53 PM) Thusness: or at least my third phase of spontaneous arising.
(4:53 PM) Thusness: I think i wrote in ur awakeningtoreality blog i did mentioned about it last time.
(4:53 PM) AEN: oic.. when
(4:54 PM) Thusness: It is the experience as if the universe is doing the work.
(4:54 PM) Thusness: This experience must be clear and obvious in what i call the phase of spontaneous arising.
(4:55 PM) Thusness: one must first have the insight of anatta and emptiness first.
Soh Wei Yu
[9/2/16, 10:53:43 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Interesting
[9/2/16, 11:09:09 PM] Soh Wei Yu: But u said he cldnt express the actualization?
[9/2/16, 11:09:47 PM] Soh Wei Yu: The actualization is like the wisdom of compassion?
[9/2/16, 11:12:20 PM] John Tan: We can call it whatever ... Doesn't matter...but to express it with life and blood, as living experience...
[9/2/16, 11:13:51 PM] John Tan: The way of feeling with ones entire body mind, without self as total engagement...what is it like?
[9/2/16, 11:14:04 PM] John Tan: What is living fully like?
[9/2/16, 11:15:15 PM] John Tan: If anatta hasn't opened ones heart, then we will hv wasted the insight of anatta.
[9/2/16, 11:15:17 PM] Soh Wei Yu: It's like full absorption until self is totally forgotten without a trace.. Whether in seeing hearing or in action
[9/2/16, 11:15:55 PM] John Tan: U r still within the entry and exit
[9/2/16, 11:16:10 PM] John Tan: The 6 entries and exits
[9/2/16, 11:19:30 PM] John Tan: U must allow urself to live in the actual realization of anatta in engagement ... U r not engaging, still thinking, still immerse in insights and who has realized this or that, who is at what state over the years...u must fully live without self, fully actualize ur insights in engagement...
[9/2/16, 11:21:24 PM] John Tan: Then ur heart can b truly open...with wisdom of selflessness
[9/2/16, 11:21:47 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[9/2/16, 11:22:10 PM] John Tan: Otherwise practice yoga
[9/2/16, 11:23:31 PM] John Tan: Clear the obscurations of the body like how the 7 phases of insights clear away all those mental constructs
[9/2/16, 11:23:57 PM] John Tan: To complement ur insights
[9/2/16, 11:25:15 PM] John Tan: When hearing sound without self in anatta, what is it like?
[9/2/16, 11:33:48 PM] Soh Wei Yu: There is just the living sound which is crystal clear, there is no distance but rather ones whole life is the sound and other senses interwoven seamlessly and arising spontaneously
[9/2/16, 11:49:44 PM] John Tan: How u feel?
[9/2/16, 11:55:55 PM] John Tan: Not "the insight of anatta is not enough..." But anatta cannot stay as an merely an insight but actualized
[10/2/16, 12:01:58 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[10/2/16, 12:02:51 AM] Soh Wei Yu: It's liberating. Like any sense of self and heaviness is released and instead there is absorption into the details and textures of the experience without any sense of a self or background
[10/2/16, 12:03:36 AM] John Tan: Liberating...what else?
[10/2/16, 12:03:55 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Clear, vivid, alive
[10/2/16, 12:04:08 AM] John Tan: What else?
Soh Wei Yu
[16/5/18, 11:32:57 PM] John Tan: If u put in all ur your heart into washing plates and toilets for few years, u might hv matured ur experiential insight of total exertion, non-action and strong samadhi.
[17/5/18, 12:15:53 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[17/5/18, 1:56:59 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ken wilber Say during his early years he was dish washer and into Zen and it helped his practice
[17/5/18, 1:57:06 PM] Soh Wei Yu: And had satori or nondual awakening then
[17/5/18, 1:57:20 PM] Soh Wei Yu: He say dish washing is very Zen job lol
[17/5/18, 1:57:35 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Maybe because doesn’t require much thinking. Programming requires a lot of thinking lol
[17/5/18, 1:57:40 PM] John Tan: Depends
[17/5/18, 1:59:28 PM] John Tan: Becomes more important after realization and given to those realized
[17/5/18, 2:02:37 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[17/5/18, 8:58:01 PM] Soh Wei Yu: My Friend working in Accenture always OT to 4am, 5am almost like daily and work on weekends and hasn’t been sleeping well for half a year. Still got discipline to go exercise, Swimming, gym, etc. I told him he is my inspiration. I OT a bit tired already hahahah
[17/5/18, 9:43:36 PM] John Tan: Lol yeah that is more imp
[17/5/18, 9:47:04 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Discipline?
[17/5/18, 9:49:54 PM] John Tan: Yes and persistency