Awareness and Sound
Today during a conversation with Alessandro Socio Migliori on his recent progress and insights, I shared this conversation with John Tan back in 2008 with him.
(3:53 PM) AEN: hmm ya joan tollifson said: This open being is not something to be practiced methodically. Toni points out that it takes no effort to hear the sounds in the room; it's all here. There's no "me" (and no problem) until thought comes in and says: "Am I doing it right? Is this 'awareness?' Am I enlightened?"; Suddenly the spaciousness is gone?the mind is occupied with a story and the emotions it generates.
(3:53 PM) Thusness: yes mindfulness will eventually become natural and effortless when true insight arise and the whole purpose of mindfulness as a practice becomes clear.
(3:53 PM) AEN: oic
(3:54 PM) Thusness: yes.
(3:54 PM) Thusness: That will only happen when the propensity of 'I' is there.
(3:55 PM) Thusness: When our Emptiness nature is there, that sort of thought will not arise.
(3:55 PM) AEN: toni packer: ... Meditation that is free and effortless, without goal, without expectation, is an expression of Pure Being that has nowhere to go, nothing to get.
There is no need for awareness to turn anywhere. It's here! Everything is here in awareness! When there is a waking up from fantasy, there is no one who does it. Awareness and the sound of a plane are here with no one in the middle trying to "do" them or bring them together. They are here together! The only thing that keeps things (and people) apart is the "me"-circuit with its separative thinking. When that is quiet, divisions do not exist.
(3:55 PM) AEN: icic
(3:55 PM) Thusness: but it will even after the insight arise before stabilization.
(3:55 PM) AEN: oic
(3:56 PM) Thusness: There is no Awareness and Sound.
(3:56 PM) Thusness: Awareness is that Sound. It is because we have certain definition of Awareness that the mind cannot sync Awareness and Sound together.
(3:56 PM) AEN: icic..
(3:57 PM) Thusness: When this inherent view is gone, it becomes very clear that Appearance is Awareness, everything is nakedly exposed and unreservedly experienced effortlessly.
(3:57 PM) AEN: oic..
(3:58 PM) Thusness: a person hit a bell, no sound is being produced. Mere conditions.
(3:58 PM) Thusness: Tong, that is awareness.
(3:58 PM) AEN: icic..
(3:59 PM) AEN: wat u mean by no sound is being produced
(3:59 PM) Thusness: u go experience and think lah
(3:59 PM) Thusness: no point explaining.
(3:59 PM) AEN: no locality rite, its not produced from something
(4:00 PM) Thusness: no
(4:00 PM) Thusness: hitting, bell, person, ears, whatever whatever are summed as 'conditions'
(4:00 PM) Thusness: necessary for 'sound' to arise.
(4:00 PM) AEN: icic..
(4:01 PM) AEN: oh the sound is not externally existing
(4:01 PM) AEN: but just an arising of condition
(4:01 PM) Thusness: nor internally existing
(4:01 PM) AEN: icic
(4:02 PM) Thusness: then the mind think, 'I' hear.
(4:02 PM) Thusness: or the mind think I am an independent soul.
(4:02 PM) Thusness: Without me there is no 'sound'
(4:02 PM) Thusness: but i am not the 'sound'
(4:02 PM) Thusness: and the ground reality, the base for all things to arise.
(4:03 PM) Thusness: this is only half true.
(4:03 PM) Thusness: a deeper realisation is there is no separation. We treat 'sound' as external.
(4:03 PM) Thusness: not seeing that as 'conditions'
(4:03 PM) Thusness: there is no sound out there or in here.
(4:04 PM) Thusness: it is our subject/object dichotomy way of seeing/analysing/understanding that makes it so.
(4:04 PM) Thusness: u will have an experience soon.
(4:04 PM) AEN: oic
(4:04 PM) AEN: wat u mean
(4:04 PM) Thusness: go meditate.
- Soh Wei YuOn no sound being produced:Should be very very clear and doubtless and stable in both stanzas of anatta first.. then later penetrate into emptiness, dependent origination and non-arising, and mmk:http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2013/04/daniel-post-on-anattaemptiness.htmlhttp://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2020/06/primordially-unborn.htmlhttp://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2020/06/non-arising-due-to-dependent-origination.htmlhttp://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2019/08/emptinesschariot-as-vivid-appearing.htmlhttp://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/06/anatta-and-post-anatta-mmk-etc.html