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Thusness/PasserBy's Seven Stages of Enlightenment



 

 Ken Wilber (肯·威尔伯)


肯·威尔伯与John Tan(真如)的评论

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段落 1

简体中文翻译:

一些关于自我探究(Self-Enquiry)与不二(non-duality)的肯·威尔伯 (Ken Wilber) 文章
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同时请查看与自我探究相关的文章:

通往你真实大我的直接之路
拉玛那·马哈希(Ramana Maharshi)关于自我探究的开示

如果你喜欢这些文字,不妨看看肯·威尔伯(Ken Wilber)的著作《A Simple Feeling of Being》和《A Brief History of Everything(万物简史)》

以下是一些肯·威尔伯的文章,阐明并区分了见证者(the Witness,也就是如实性的第一阶段:我是/本我)不二(non-duality,也就是如实性的第四阶段)

原文:

"Some Writings on Self-Enquiry and Non-duality by Ken Wilber
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Also check out related articles on self-enquiry:

The Direct Path to Your Real Self
Ramana Maharshi's instructions on Self-Enquiry

If you like these writings, consider checking out Ken Wilber's books "A Simple Feeling of Being" and "A Brief History of Everything"

Here are some articles by Ken Wilber, which differentiates and clarifies the Witness (a.k.a. Thusness's Stage 1, the I AM) with Non-Duality (a.k.a Thusness's Stage 4):


段落 2

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有很多事物我可以怀疑,但我无法怀疑此刻自身的意识。我的意识就是,而且即使我试图怀疑它,也仍然是我的意识在怀疑。我可以想象自己的感官正被呈现出一个虚假的现实——例如,一个完全虚拟或数码化的世界,看上去像真的,但其实只是一系列极其逼真的图像。然而,即便如此,我也无法怀疑正在进行观看的那个意识……

我当下觉知的无可否认性,我的意识之无可否认性,立刻让我获得当下存在之确定性,获得此刻当下存在之确定。我无法怀疑这一刻的意识和存在,因为它是所有知觉、所有看见、所有存在的基础……

我是谁?一遍又一遍、深入地问自己:我是谁?是什么在我之中,觉知着一切?

如果你认为自己了解灵性(Spirit),或者你认为自己不了解,事实上在想这两个念头的,都是灵性(Spirit)本身。所以你可以怀疑意识的种种对象,但你永远无法真正、令人信服地怀疑那个怀疑者,也不可能真正怀疑整个显现背后的见证者(the Witness)。因此,安住于见证者之中,无论它认为自己是否了知上帝(God)或否,那见证——那无可否认的当下意识临在(presence——本身就是上帝(God)、灵性(Spirit)、佛心(Buddha-mind)。确定性不在意识对象之中,而在对那些对象有所感知的纯粹自觉意识当中。你永远无法看见上帝,因为上帝是那位看见者,而不是任何有限的、会死的、受局限的可见之物……

这种纯粹我是/本我I AM)状态并不难获得,而是根本无法逃避,因为它永远都在,从未真地被怀疑过。你永远无法逃离灵性(Spirit),因为灵性(Spirit)就是那个奔跑者。直白地说,灵性(Spirit)不是难找,而是无法避开:它就是这一刻正在看着这一页的那个觉知者。你能感受到那个一吗?你究竟为什么要到处寻找上帝,而上帝其实正是那个在的主体呢?

只需问:我是谁?我是谁?我是谁?

我能觉知自己的感受,所以我不等同于感受——那我是谁?我能觉知自己的念头,所以我并不等同于念头——那我是谁?就像云在天空中飘过,念头在心中飘过,感受在身体中飘过——而我并不等同于那些,因为我能见证(Witness)这一切。

此外,我可以怀疑云的存在,我可以怀疑感受的存在,我可以怀疑思想对象的存在——但我不可能怀疑此刻见证者的存在,因为即便是怀疑,也仍然由那个见证者来见证。

我不是自然界中的客体,不是身体里的感受,也不是心中的念头,因为我能见证这一切。我就是那个见证者——一个广阔、广大、空灵、清澈、纯净、透明的开阔性,它不偏不倚地觉知所有生起的事物,就像镜子会自然而然地映照所有对象……

你已经能感受到部分大解脱,因为当你安坐于此刻的观察中时,你已体会到自己摆脱了仅仅是物体、感觉、思维那窒息般的束缚——它们都来来去去,而你正是那浩瀚、自由、空灵、开放的见证者,不受它们的折磨和痛苦所侵扰。

原文:

“There are many things that I can doubt, but I cannot doubt my own consciousness in this moment. My consciousness IS, and even if I tried to doubt it, it would be my consciousness doubting. I can imagine that my senses are being presented with a fake reality – say, a completely virtual reality or digital reality, which looks real but is merely a series of extremely realist images. But even then, I cannot doubt the consciousness that is doing the watching…

The very undeniability of my present awareness, the undeniability of my consciousness, immediately delivers to me a certainty of existence in this moment, a certainty of Being in the now-ness of this moment. I cannot doubt consciousness and Being in this moment, for it is the ground of all knowing, all seeing, all existing…

Who am I? Ask that question over and over again, deeply. Who am I? What is it in me that is conscious of everything?

If you think that you know Spirit, or if you think you don’t, Spirit is actually that which is thinking both of those thoughts. So you can doubt the objects of consciousness, but you can never believably doubt the doubter, never really doubt the Witness of the entire display. Therefore, rest in the Witness, whether it is thinking that it knows God or not, and that witnessing, that undeniable immediacy of now-consciousness, is itself God, Spirit, Buddha-mind. The certainty lies in the pure self-felt Consciousness to which objects appear, not in the objects themselves. You will never, never, never see God, because God is the Seer, not any finite, mortal, bounded object that can be seen…

This pure I AM state is not hard to achieve but impossible to escape, because it is ever present and can never really be doubted. You can never run from Spirit, because Spirit is the Runner. To put it very bluntly, Spirit is not hard to find but impossible to avoid: it is that which is looking at this page right now. Can’t you feel That One? Why on earth do you keep looking for God when God is actually the Looker?

Simply ask, Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?

I am aware of my feelings, so I am not my feelings – Who am I? I am aware of my thoughts, so I am not my thoughts – Who am I? Clouds float by in the sky, thoughts float by in the mind, feelings float by in the body – and I am none of those because I can Witness them all.

Moreover, I can doubt that clouds exist, I can doubt that feelings exist, I can doubt that objects of thought exist – but I cannot doubt that the Witness exists in this moment, because the Witness would still be there to witness the doubt.

I am not objects in nature, not feelings in the body, not thoughts in the mind, for I can Witness them all. I am that Witness – a vast, spacious, empty, clear, pure, transparent Openness that impartially notices all that arises, as a mirror spontaneously reflects all its objects…

You can already feel some of this Great Liberation in that, as you rest in the ease of witnessing this moment, you already feel that you are free from the suffocating constriction of mere objects, mere feelings, mere thoughts – they all come and go, but you are that vast, free, empty, open Witness of them all, untouched by their torments and tortures.


段落 3

简体中文翻译:

这实际上是……对纯粹神圣大我的(the pure divine Self)重要发现,也就是无形的见证者(the formless Witness)、根源的虚空(causal nothingness)、那广大之空性(Emptiness),整个世界都在其中生起、片刻停留,然后又消逝。而你就是那个。你不是身体,不是小我,不是大自然,不是念头,不是此、不是彼——你是一片广阔的空性、自由、解脱与解放。

借由这个发现……你等于是走完了一半的归途。你不再把自己认同于任何有生灭的客体,而是安住于无量的意识之中。你是自由的、敞开的、空的、清明的、闪耀的、解脱的、获得自在的、浸润于超越时空的极乐空明(空乐明)之中,超越痛苦、死亡以及一切障碍。你找到了那伟大的无生(the great Unborn),那无底的深渊(Abyss),那无法被限定的一切万有之基,涵盖了万古、现在以及所有未来。

但是,为什么说这只是走完了一半归途?因为当你安住于无量的意识,自发地觉察所有正在生起的事物,不久之后就会出现一个极为重大的自由与圆满的灾变:连见证者本身都会彻底消失——到那时,你就不再是在见证天空,而是成为天空;你不再是触碰大地,而是成为大地;你不再是听见雷声,而是成为雷声。你与整个宇宙(Kosmos)成为一味(One Taste——你一口就能喝下整个太平洋,把珠穆朗玛峰托在你的掌心;超新星在你心中旋转,太阳系取代了你的头……

你就是这一味(One Taste),如同一面与任意所现之物合而为一的空明镜子,一个无思无虑的广大透明境界:无限、永恒、光耀,超越解脱。而你……就是……那个……

因此,最根本的笛卡尔式二元分裂——也就是主观与客观、在里面在外面空性的见证者被见证的万物’——最终在不二的一味中被解构并克服。只有当你真正、充分地触及那个见证者时,才能超越它进入真正的不二,这意味着走到一半的归途才最终抵达全然圆满之归家——就在这无时不在的奇妙当下……

那么,如何知道自己有没有真正克服笛卡尔式二元对立?其实很简单:如果你确实克服了二元对立,那么你就不会再觉得自己好像在脸的这一侧凝视着外面的世界。只剩下世界本身,而你也就是那一切;你会真切地感到自己与所有当下刹那生起的事物合而为一,不再觉得自己是在这边看着那边里面外面已经以一种激荡的、毫无疑问的确定性和深刻程度合二为一,好像五吨巨石迎面砸来——要说的话,那种感觉可不容易被忽视。

就在那一刻(其实这就是你无时无刻都具足的本来状态),没有任何与此特定有机体的排他性认同,没有头脑被束缚在头部的错觉,使你误以为坐在头中向外观世界;也没有将注意力局限于个体身心的束缚:取而代之的,是与你所见一切现象融为一体的意识——一片广阔、开阔、透明、璀璨、无限自由又无限圆满的领域,拥抱整个宇宙(Kosmos),使每一个主观与每一个客观在这一味的伟大拥抱中交融无间。你不再局限于在眼睛后面的位置,而是成为万物;你能直接而切实地感到,你的根本身份就是那一刻又一刻生起的所有事物(就像先前你觉得自己是这个有局限、分离、生灭的血肉之躯)。内与外已成为一味。我告诉你,它就这样发生!

(引自:《Boomeritis》,边栏 E天才笛卡尔的后现代痛击:后现代时代的整体史学。更多内容详见《The Simple Feeling of Being》,这是一部选自肯·威尔伯各出版著作中具有启示性、神秘性和指导性段落的合集,基于他的亲身体验。)

原文:

“This is actually the profound discovery of… the pure divine Self, the formless Witness, causal nothingness, the vast Emptiness in which the entire world arises, stays a bit, and passes. And you are That. You are not the body, not the ego, not nature, not thoughts, not this, not that – you are a vast Emptiness, Freedom, Release, and Liberation.

With this discovery… you are halfway home. You have disidentified from any and all finite objects; you rest as infinite Consciousness. You are free, open, empty, clear, radiant, released, liberated, exalted, drenched in a blissful emptiness that exists prior to space, prior to time, prior to tears and terror, prior to pain and mortality and suffering and death. You have found the great Unborn, the vast Abyss, the unqualifiable Ground of all that is, and all that was, and all that ever shall be.

But why is that only halfway home? Because as you rest in the infinite ease of consciousness, spontaneously aware of all that is arising, there will soon enough come the great catastrophe of Freedom and Fullness: the Witness itself will disappear entirely, and instead of witnessing the sky, you are the sky; instead of touching the earth, you are the earth; instead of hearing the thunder, you are the thunder. You and the entire Kosmos because One Taste – you can drink the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp, hold Mt. Everest in the palm of your hand; supernovas swirl in your heart and the solar system replaces your head…

You are One Taste, the empty mirror that is one with any and all objects that arise in its embrace, a mindlessly vast translucent expanse: infinite, eternal, radiant beyond release. And you… are… That…

So the primary Cartesian dualism – which is simply the dualism between… in here and out there, subject and object, the empty Witness and all things witnessed – is finally undone and overcome in nondual One Taste. Once you actually and fully contact the Witness, then – and only then – can it be transcended into radical Nonduality, and halfway home becomes fully home, here in the ever-present wonder of what is…

And so how do you know that you have finally and really overcome the Cartesian dualism? Very simple: if you really overcome the Cartesian dualism, then you no longer feel that you are on this side of your face looking at the world out there. There is only the world, and you are all of that; you actually feel that you are one with everything that is arising moment to moment. You are not merely on this side of your face looking out there. “In here” and “out there” have become One Taste with a shuddering obviousness and certainty so profound it feels like a five-ton rock just dropped on your head. It is, shall we say, a feeling hard to miss.

At that point, which is actually your ever-present condition, there is no exclusive identity with this particular organism, no constriction of consciousness to the head, a constriction that makes it seem that “you” are in the head looking at the rest of the world out there; there is no binding of attention to the personal bodymind: instead, consciousness is one with all that is arising – a vast, open, transparent, radiant, infinitely Free and infinitely Full expanse that embraces the entire Kosmos, so that every single subject and every single object are erotically united in the Great Embrace of One Taste. You disappear from merely being behind your eyes, and you become the All, you directly and actually feel that your basic identity is everything that is arising moment to moment (just as previously you felt that your identity was with this finite, partial, separate, mortal coil of flesh you call a body). Inside and outside have become One Taste. I tell you, it can happen just like that!

(Source: Boomeritis, Sidebar E: “The Genius Descartes Gets a Postmodern Drubbing: Integral Historiography in a Postmodern Age”. More to be found in The Simple Feeling of Being, a collection of Ken Wilber’s inspirational, mystical and instructional passages drawn from his publications, based on his experiences.)


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段落 4

简体中文翻译:

不二层次(The Nondual Level

在前一个层次里,你是如此沉浸于无显(unmanifest)的层面,以至于你也许根本不会注意到显现界的存在。你正在发现空寂(Emptiness),因此你对形相(Form)不理睬。然而在终极或不二层次,你会把二者整合起来。你会看到空寂显现(或自我展现)为形相,也看到形相之本质即是空寂。从更具体的角度看,你所称的一切,都只是当下正在生起的诸显现,而这一切显现都在刹那刹那地如戏般从空寂中流现。如果根源的虚空(causal nothingness)就像一轮散发月光的夜晚,那么这个层次就如同一个明媚的秋日。

在外面看似坚硬或固体的那边之物,其实只是你本然的存在真如Being/Isness)之透明、透亮的展现。它们并不是对神(God)的阻碍,而只是神的体现。因此它们是的,意味着它们并不构成任何阻隔或障碍。它们是神性的自由表达。就如大手印(Mahamudra)传统所言:一切唯心(All is Mind),心是空(Mind is Empty),空是自然妙用(Empty is freely-manifesting),自然妙用自自行解脱(Freely manifesting is self-liberating)。

你在根源的空寂之层次找到的自由——即圆满与空性的双重自由——在这里会被发现同样扩展到所有事物,甚至包括这个堕落的罪恶或轮回(samsara)之世界。因此,一切事物都得自行解脱。这是一种非同寻常的自由、或无拘无束、或完全的释放——这清澈明亮的秋日——这就是你在此阶段真正经历到的。不过,经历这个词其实并不准确。这种觉悟实际上是对灵性(Spirit)之无经历本性(the nonexperiential nature的认知。经历有生有灭,都在时间中开始,也在时间中终结;即便是细微的经历,也会生起、又会消失。它们都奇妙、壮丽、殊胜,却仍是会来来去去。

而这种不二的状态本身并不是另一种经历。它只是让各种经历生起又落下的开敞或显露(the opening or clearing),就像明朗的秋日天空,让云朵来来去去——但它本身并不是另一片云、另一个经历、另一个客体、或另一次显现。此处的认知其实在于,去努力体验解脱是完全没有结果的,想要经历解脱根本是徒劳——一切经历都会完全失去它们的味道,只不过是浮云而已。

并不是体验了解脱;而是说,你就是那个开敞、那个空性,在其中所有经历都会生起又消失,就像镜子里的映像;而你是那面镜子,是明镜心(mirror mind),而不是任何所觉察到的映像。然而,你并不是与这些映像分开、从一边看着它们;你就是此刻生起的所有事物。你可以一口吞下整个宇宙,因为它对你来说如此渺小;你可以不费吹灰之力地品尝天空。

这就是为什么禅宗会说:你无法进入大三昧(the Great Samadhi”(Soh:这是指所谓的“大定无出入”),因为它其实就是始终不动、始终不离的开敞显露,在其中所有的经历——以及所有的显现——都在一刻又一刻地生起。似乎你进入了此种状态,但一旦你在其中,你会发现它从来没有不在,从来也没有一刻不被充分了悟——这就是无门之门(the gateless gate。因此,你会深切地理解,你不曾进入过这个状态;过去的或未来的诸佛也未曾进入这个状态。

在大圆满(Dzogchen)中,这便是对心性(nature of mind的认知。三界中一切事物,都在它们生起的当下便已自行解脱。如水塘中的日光,闪耀不已。一切都是空的,一切都是光,一切都是圆满,一切都已圆满。而世界便以它寻常的样貌运转,没有任何人注意到这一切。

脚注/附注(如有):

原文:


The Nondual Level

"In the previous level, you are so absorbed in the unmanifest dimensions that you might not even notice the manifest world. You are discovering Emptiness, and so you ignore Form. But at the ultimate or nondual level, you integrate the two. You see that Emptiness appears or manifests itself as Form, and that Form has as its essence Emptiness. In more concrete terms, what you all is all things that arise. All manifestation arises, moment by moment, as a play of Emptiness. If the causal was like a radiant moonlit night, this is like a radiant autumn day.

What appear as hard or solid objects “out there” are really transparent and translucent manifestations of your own Being or Isness. They are not obstacles to God, only expressions of God. They are therefore empty in the sense of not being an obstruction or impediment. They are a free expression of the Divine. As the Mahamudra tradition succinctly puts it, “ All is Mind. Mind is Empty. Empty is freely-manifesting. Freely manifesting is self-liberating.

The freedom that you found at the causal level- the freedom of Fullness and Emptiness- that freedom is found to extend to all things, even to this “fallen” world of sin or samsara. Therefore, all things become self-liberated. And this is extraordinary freedom, or absence of restriction, or total release- this clear bright autumn day- this is what you actually experience at this point. But then “experience” is the wrong word all together. This realization is actually of the nonexperiential nature of Spirit. Experiences come and go. They all have a beginning in time, and an end in time. Even subtle experiences come and go. They are all wonderful, glorious, extraordinary. And they come and they go.

But this nondual “state” is not itself another experience. It is simply the opening or clearing in which all experiences arise and fall. It is the bright autumn sky through which the clouds come and go- it is not itself another cloud, another experience, another object, another manifestation. This realization is actually of the utter fruitlessness of experiences, the utter futility of trying to experience release or liberation. All experiences lose their taste entirely- these passing clouds.

You are not the one who experiences liberation; you are the clearing, the opening, the emptiness, in which any experience comes and goes, like reflections on the mirror. And you are the mirror, the mirror mind, and not any experienced reflection. But you are not apart from the reflections, standing back and watching. You are everything that is arising moment to moment. You can swallow the whole cosmos in one gulp, it is so small, and you can taste the sky without moving an inch.

That is why in Zen, it is said that you cannot enter the Great Samadhi: it is actually the opening or clearing that is ever present, and in which all experience- and all manifestation- arises moment to moment. It seems like you “enter” this state, except that once there, you realize that there never was a time this state was not fully present and fully recognized- “ the gateless gate.” And so you deeply understand that you never entered this state; nor did the Buddhas, past or future, ever enter this state.

In Dzogchen, this is the recognition of mind’s true nature. All things, in all worlds, are self-liberated as they arise. All things are like sunlight on the water of a pond. It all shimmers. It is all empty. It is all light. It is all full, and it is all fulfilled. And the world goes on it ordinary way, and nobody notices at all.

Wilber, K. (1999). Stages of Spirituality. Collected Works, vol.4, pg.361-362.


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以下译文将继续从“From ‘A Brief History of Everything (Second Edition)’, Ken Wilber: The Nondual”段落开始,并采用您提出的明镜心(mirror mind表述。同时我们会继续严格遵循先提供译文、再提供原文的双语对照格式。若因篇幅过长导致无法在单条消息中全部容纳,我们将注明“[在下一条消息中继续]”,并于后续消息从中断处继续翻译。


段落 1

简体中文翻译:

选自《万物简史(第二版)》(A Brief History of Everything, Second Edition),肯·威尔伯(Ken Wilber):

不二(The Nondual

问:那么,这个根源无显causal unmanifest)就是真正的终点吗?这是否意味着时间的终结、进化的终结、历史的终结?也就是那个最终的欧米伽点(Omega point)?

·威尔伯(KW):嗯,很多传统确实把这种止息状态视作最终状态,即所有发展与进化的终极终点。而这个终点也被视为圆满开悟、终极解脱、纯粹涅槃(nirvana)。

但对不二(Nondual)传统而言,这并非终极故事(final story。因为在某个时刻,当你深入探究那个见证者(the Witness),并安住于见证者中时,那个在这里的见证者——本来仿佛就像一个我在里面的感受——也会完全消失,你会发现见证者原来就是所见万物本身。根源的虚空让位于不二(the Nondual),无形(formless)的神秘体验让位于不二的神秘体验。色即是空,空即是色。

从技术上讲,你已经与见证者本身也脱离认同,接着又把它融入所有显现之中——换句话说,这就是从第九道次的第二、第三阶段一路走向第十道次(fulcrum-10),而后者其实并不是一个独立的道次或层面,而是超越或涵摄了所有层次、所有状态、所有境况的真实面貌或本来如是(Suchness

这就是空(Emptiness的第二层、也是最深一层的涵义——它不仅仅是一个可辨别的状态,而是所有状态的真实性或本来如是(Suchness。它并不是在其他状态之上的、与其他状态并立的某个特殊状态,而是任何状态(不论高低、神圣或世俗、平凡或非凡)所具有的本来实情。回想我们在图 9-1 中看到的:灵性(Spirit)既是最高层(根源的空寂),也是无处不在、遍及一切层的地基(不二)。

问:空性具有两层含义吗?

·威尔伯:是的,这会让人十分困惑。一方面,正如我们所见,它指的是一个独立可辨的觉知状态——也就是无显定或止息(nirvikalpa Samadhi, ayn, jnana Samadhi, nirodh,以及传统意义上的涅槃)。这是根源的虚空,一个可辨的状态。

另一方面,空性并不仅仅是一种在其他状态之上的特殊状态,而是所有状态的真实、或本来如是、或根本所依。并不是与其他状态并立的某种额外状态,而是任何状态的真实面、或本来条件,高或低、神圣或不圣、平凡或非凡,概莫能外。还记得我们在图 9-1 中同时将灵性视为最高层(根源的空寂)以及一切层面中永远当下的不二吗?

问:我们已经讨论过可辨别的根源状态;现在来谈谈不二吧。

·威尔伯:好啊。这种不二本来如是体验,类似于我们先前讨论的自然合一体验(nature unity experience,只是现在这种合一感并不只针对外在的色身(gross Form),还包括内在的细微色身(subtle Form)。用佛教术语来说,这不只是化身界(Nirmanakaya——也就是对大自然的神秘体验(nature mysticism;也不只是报身界(Sambhogakaya——也就是对本尊的神秘体验(deity mysticism;更不只是法身界(Dharmakaya——也就是无形禅定(formless mysticism;而是自性身(Svabhavikakaya——把这三者融为一体。它超越了自然禅、本尊禅和无形禅,却也将它们全部拥抱于其中。它拥抱整个意识之光谱——超越一切,又包含一切。

问:这个说法有点专业化。有没有一种更直观的方式来解释不二神秘体验?

·威尔伯:在所有传统中,不二都有这样一个特征:对作为任何能见者或见证者的自我之感受完全消失。你不会再看着天空,而是成为天空,你甚至可以品味天空。它不在外头。用禅宗的表达,你可以一口喝下太平洋,你可以吞没整个宇宙,因为此刻的意识不再分裂为在里头的主体和在外头的客体。这就是纯粹的。觉知与它的呈现不二无别。

万事万物仍旧瞬息生起——整个宇宙持续在每一刻生起——但没有一个人在一旁观望,只有自发而明亮的展示,一种极度圆满的展现。纯粹的空性(the pure Emptiness)之见证者,原来就是被见证的一切形相,每一个形相都不与它分割。不二正是这个核心含义之一。

问:你能再具体一点吗?

·威尔伯:嗯,你可以先进入见证状态(the Witness,也就是说,你只需安住于纯粹的觉知当中——你不是可见的任何对象:不是大自然、不是身体、不是念头,而只是纯粹的见证觉知。你会对这种见证觉知有一种感受,感到一种自由、松弛、广大之感。

当你安住于这种状态,感受到见证者犹如一个巨大宽广的空间时,如果你转而看向一座山,也许你就会注意到:见证者的感觉这座山的感觉是同一个感觉。换言之,真实世界并不会被你分配成两份——一个在外头,一个在里头。那种两次显现(twiceness正是二元的意义。但真实世界只给你一次、当下的一种感觉,它是一个单数,其复数形态从来无人得见。你可以尝到那座山,它和你的自性是同一种味道,你不会认为外头有一个山,这里头有一个自我映射它——二者之间并无隔阂。在真实的直接经验中,在你切分它之前,不曾存在任何二元。真实经验本身、现实本身就是不二的。你依然是你,山依然是山,但你与山只是同一体验的两面,而这是当下唯一的现实。

当你向当下经验中放松时,分离自我便会松解;你不再从生活中退缩;不是你在经历,而是你成为所有经历;你不在里头看着外头’——因为在里头与在外头已成一味,因此你再也不会被困在所谓此中

这样一来,你就不会局限于这个身心之中。突然之间,这个身心已不复存在。突然之间,风不再吹向你,而是吹进你、穿透你;你不是在看山,你就是那座山——这座山比你的皮肤还要更亲近;你就是那一切,不再有一个。一切都在每一刻自然地显现,而你已无处可寻。重量感彻底消失,因为你不再置身于宇宙之中,而是宇宙置身于你之中,而你是最纯粹的空性。整个宇宙就是一片透明的神圣闪耀;但这个神圣并不在别处,而正是一切当下所显的总和——自证自明,独具一味;唯此一味,没有别的。

问:也就是说主客不二吗?

·威尔伯:你知道禅宗的公案:一只手鼓掌的声音是什么?平时我们需要双手才能拍掌,这就是典型的经验结构:我们会感到自己是在里面的主体,外界是在外面的客体,两者相互碰撞发出动静,也就是种种经历(experience)。外在之物撞上内部之我,就像两只手掌击打在一起,产生一次经历,而平凡自我就成了挨打的那个自我——总是被外界得伤痕累累。普通自我由无数挫折、创伤、伤疤组成,也就是这些主体-客体碰撞的结果。佛法称之为苦(dukkha。就像克里希那穆提(Krishnamurti)说的,在主、客之间的缝隙里,就存在了人类的所有苦难。

可是一旦进入不二状态,突然之间,你就发现其实只有一只手。骤然之间,主与客不复存在,整个外在也不再与你相撞,不会再给你带来伤痛或苦难。突然之间,你不再经历什么,你就是所生起的一切,因此你当下就被释放进了无边的时空:在那一刻,你与你所见的整个宇宙是一只手、一种经验、一场绚烂的呈现、一种大圆满的显现。外面已无他物可以击打你、折磨你、夺走你——你的灵魂扩展到宇宙的边缘,以无限的欢欣拥抱一切。你是彻底的圆满,彻底的丰盈,边界都在这无限之中崩解,时间、方位俱已消融,沉浸在无限的关怀里。你以整体的方式被释放,也就是成为一切——万物自明地相互印证,你就是那不二的一味;这滋味无限。

所以,一只手鼓掌的声音是什么?当外面再无他物可以击打你、折磨你、牵引你、拉扯你——那一只手鼓掌发出的声音是什么?当下这一味又是什么?当没什么能阻碍你时,这一只手发出的声音便是大爆炸Big Bang)的轰鸣,是超新星在太空中的爆炸声,是知更鸟的啼鸣,是晶莹澄澈的晴天里瀑布的轰响,是整个显现宇宙的声音——而你就是那个声音。

这也是为什么你的本来面目(Original Face)不在。它是这光明清澈、无处不在的呈现之纯粹空性透明性。如果宇宙此刻在生起,那你就是它;如果什么都不生起,你也是它。无论如何,你就是它。无论如何,你都不在里面。那扇透明的窗子已被击碎,你的身心落空,你永远不再被囚禁在头脑后方去看着宇宙——你就是宇宙。你即是一切。正因为如此,你能一口吞下宇宙,跨越世纪而一动不动。那一只手鼓掌所发出的声音,是恒星诞生和爆炸的声音,是知更鸟的啼鸣、清澈日子的瀑布之声、整个显现世界之声——而你就是这个声音。

也因此,你的本来面目(Original Face)并不在这里面。它是这闪亮无碍的透明之,是这一切当下显现的自见。如果宇宙正在生起,你就是那;如果宇宙不生起,你也是那。无论如何,你都是那。因为你不在这里面。那面窗早已破碎,主客之间毫无间隙,不再有二元的痕迹——世界从来只给你一次,就是这纯粹的当下——而你就是这当下。你就是这一味。

这个状态并不是通过后天营造就能获得;不二本来便是所有经验的本质,在你对它做任何事情之前就已然如此。这个无造作状态本自先天就有——先于任何抓取、回避乃至任何努力。在你对其施加任何塑造或改造之前,真实世界就已然不二。

因此,你不必做任何特别的事去让觉知或经验变得不二,它起初就不二,乃是一切状态的自性——超越一切用力和想象。若在此状态下有努力生起,那也无妨;若没有努力生起,也同样无妨;无论如何都只有当下的一味,没有所谓努力或不努力的分别。

所以,这完全不是一个难以进入的状态,恰恰相反,它是不可能被回避的,因为它一直都在。自无量亿万年起,从未有一刻你不在觉知这一味;从未有一秒钟它没有在你本来面目前以极度冰凉透彻的空气袭来。

当然,我们常常对自己说谎,不愿承认这一点,我们对自己的本来面目(the universe of One Taste、你自己的Original Face)经常不愿面对,不愿说出真相。不二传统的目标不是让我们去创造这种状态(因为这是不可能的),而是要指认它,让我们没法再忽视它、对自己继续撒谎。

(来源:《A Brief History of Everything》。更多内容可见《The Simple Feeling of Being》,一部肯·威尔伯精选自其出版著作、基于其亲身体验的启示性、神秘性及指导性文段合集。)


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From “A Brief History of Everything (Second Edition)”, Ken Wilber:

The Nondual

Q: So this casual unmanifest – is that the absolute end point? Is this the end of time, the end of evolution, the end of history? The final Omega point?

KW: Well, many traditions take this state of cessation to be the ultimate state, the final end point of all development and evolution, yes. And this end state is equated with full Enlightenment, ultimate release, pure nirvana.

But this is not the “final story,” according to the Nondual traditions. Because at some point, as you inquire into the Witness, and rest in the Witness, the sense of being a Witness “in here” completely vanishes itself, and the Witness turns out to be everything that is witnessed. The causal gives way to the Nondual, and formless mysticism gives way to nondual mysticism. “Form is Emptiness and Emptiness is Form.”

Technically, you have dis-identified with even the Witness, and then integrated it with all manifestation – in other words, the second and third phases of fulcrum-9, which leads to fulcrum-10, which is not really a separate fulcrum or level, but the reality or Suchness of all levels, all states, all conditions.

And this is the second and most profound meaning of Emptiness - it is not a discrete state, but the reality of all states, the Suchness of all states. You have moved from the causal to the Nondual.

Q: Emptiness has two meanings?

KW: Yes, which can be very confusing. On one hand, as we just saw, it is a discrete, identifiable state of awareness – namely, unmanifest absorption or cessation (nirvikalpa Samadhi, ayn, jnana Samadhi, nirodh, classical nirvana). This is the causal state, a discrete state.

The second meaning is that Emptiness is not merely a particular state among other states, but rather the reality or suchness or condition of all states. Not a particular state apart from other states, but the reality or condition of all states, high or low, sacred or profane, ordinary or extraordinary. Recall that on figure 9-1 we had Spirit as both the highest level (“causal”) and the ever-present Ground of all levels (“nondual”).

Q: We already discussed the discrete state; now the Nondual.

KW: Yes, the “experience” of this nondual Suchness is similar to the nature unity experience we earlier discussed, except now this unity is experienced not just with gross Form out there, but also with all of the subtle Form in here. In Buddhist terms, this is not just the Nirmanakaya – gross or nature mysticism and not just the Sambhogakaya – subtle or deity mysticism; and not just the Dharmakaya – causal or formless mysticism. It is the Svabhavikakaya – the integration of all three of them. It is beyond nature mysticism, beyond deity mysticism, and beyond formless mysticism – it is the reality or the Suchness of each, and thus integrates each in its embrace. It embraces the entire spectrum of consciousness – transcends all, includes all.

Q: Again, rather technical. Perhaps there’s a more direct way to talk about Nondual mysticism?

Kw: Across the board, the sense of being any sort of Seer or Witness or Self vanishes altogether. You don’t look at the sky, you are the sky. You can taste the sky. It’s not out there. As Zen would say, you can drink the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp, you can swallow the Kosmos whole – precisely because awareness is no longer split into a seeing subject in here and a seen object out there. There is just pure seeing. Consciousness and its display are not-two.

Everything continues to arise moment to moment – the entire Kosmos continues to arise moment to moment – but there is nobody watching the display, there is just the display, a spontaneous and luminous gesture of great perfection. The pure Emptiness of the Witness turns out to be one with every Form that is witnessed, and that is one of the basic meanings of “nonduality.”

Q: Again, could you be even more specific?

Kw: Well, you might begin by getting into the state of Witness – that is, you simply rest in pure observing awareness – you are not any object that can be seen – not nature, not body, not thoughts – just rest in that pure witnessing awareness. And you can get a certain “sensation” of that witnessing awareness – a sensation of freedom, of release, of great expanse.

While you are resting in that state, and “sensing” this Witness as a great expanse, if you then look at, say, a mountain, you might begin to notice that the sensation of the Witness and the sensation of the mountain are the same sensation. When you “feel” your pure Self and you “feel” the mountain, they are absolutely the same feeling.

In other words, the real world is not given to you twice – one out there, one in here. That "twiceness" is exactly the meaning of "duality." Rather, the real world is given to you once, immediately – it is one feeling, it has one taste, it is utterly full in that one taste, it is not severed into seer and seen, subject and object, fragment and fragment. It is a singular, of which the plural is unknown. You can taste the mountain; it is the same taste as your Self; it is not out there being reflected in here – that duality is not present in the immediateness of real experience. Real experience, before you slice it up, does not contain that duality – real experience, reality itself, is "non-dual." You are still you, and the mountain is still the mountain, but you and the mountain are two sides of one and the same experience, which is the one and only reality at that point. If you relax into present experience in that fashion, the separate-self sense will uncoil; you will stop standing back from life; you will not have experience, you will suddenly become all experience; you will not be “in here” looking “out there” – in here and out there are one, so you are no longer trapped “in here.”

And so suddenly, you are not in the bodymind. Suddenly, the bodymind has dropped. Suddenly, the wind doesn't blow on you, it blows through you, within you. You are not looking at the mountain, you are the mountain–the mountain is closer to you than your own skin. You are that, and there is no you – just this entire luminous display spontaneously arising moment to moment. The separate self is nowhere to be found. The entire sensation of “weight” drops altogether, because you are not in the Kosmos, the Kosmos is in you, and you are purest Emptiness. The entire universe is a transparent shimmering of the Divine, of primordial Purity. But the Divine is not someplace else, it is just all of this shimmering. It is self-seen. It has One Taste. It is nowhere else.

Q: Subject and object are nondual?

KW: You know the Zen koan, "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" Usually, of course, we need two hands to clap – and that is the structure of typical experience. We have a sense of ourselves as a subject in here, and the world as an object out there. We have these "two hands" of experience, the subject and the object. And typical experience is a smashing of these two hands together to make a commotion, a sound. The object out there smashes into me as a subject, and I have an experience – the two hands clap together and experience emerges. And so the typical structure of experience is like a punch in the face. The ordinary self is the battered self – it is utterly battered by the universe "out there." The ordinary self is a series of bruises, of scars, the results of these two hands of experience smashing together. This bruising is called "dukkha," suffering. As Krishnamurti used to say, in that gap between the subject and the object lies the entire misery of humankind. But with the nondual state, suddenly there are not two hands. Suddenly, the subject and the object are one hand. Suddenly, there is nothing outside of you that can hit you, hurt you, push you, pull you – what is the sound of that one hand clapping? Suddenly, you do not have an experience, you are every experience that arises, and so you are instantly released into all space: you and the entire Kosmos are one hand, one experience, one display, one gesture of great perfection. There is nothing outside of you that you can want, or desire, or seek, or grasp – your soul expands to the corners of the universe and embraces all with infinite delight. You are utterly Full, utterly Saturated, so full and saturated that the boundaries to the Kosmos completely explode and leave you without date or duration, time or location, awash in an ocean of infinite care. You are released into the All, as the All – you are the self-seen radiant Kosmos, you are the universe of One Taste, and the taste is utterly infinite. So what is the sound of that one hand clapping? What is the taste of that One Taste? When there is nothing outside of you that can hit you, hurt you, push you, pull you – what is the sound of that one hand clapping? See the sunlight on the mountains? Feel the cool breeze? What is not utterly obvious? Who is not already enlightened? As a Zen Master put it, "When I heard the sound of the bell ringing, there was no I, and no bell, just the ringing." There is no twiceness, no twoness, in immediate experience! No inside and no outside, no subject and no object–just immediate awareness itself, the sound of one hand clapping. So you are not in here, on this side of a transparent window, looking at the Kosmos out there. The transparent window has shattered, your bodymind drops, you are free of that confinement forever, you are no longer 'behind your face' looking at the Kosmos – you simply are the Kosmos. You are all that. Which is precisely why you can swallow the Kosmos and span the centuries, and nothing moves at all. The sound of this one hand clapping is the sound the Big Bang made. It is the sound of supernovas exploding in space. It is the sound of the robin singing. It is the sound of the waterfall on a crystal-clear day. It is the sound of the entire manifest universe – and you are that sound. Which is why your Original Face is not in here. It is the sheerest Emptiness or transparency of this shimmering display. If the Kosmos is arising, you are that. If nothing arises, you are that. In either case, you are that. In either case, you are not in here. The window has shattered. The gap between subject and object is gone. There is no twiceness, no twoness, to be found anywhere – the world is never given to you twice, but always only once – and you are that. You are that One Taste. This state is not something you can bring about. This nondual state, this state of One Taste, is the very nature of every experience before you slice it up. This One Taste is not some experience you bring about through effort; rather it is the actual condition of all experience before you do anything to it. This uncontrived state is prior to effort, prior to grasping, prior to avoiding. It is the real world before you do anything to it, including the effort to 'see it nondually.' So you don't have to do something special to awareness or to experience in order to make it nondual. It starts out nondual, its very nature is nondual – prior to any grasping, any effort, any contrivance. If effort arises, fine; if effort doesn't arise, fine; in either case there is only the immediacy of One Taste, prior to effort and non-effort alike. So this is definitely not a state that is hard to get into, but rather one that is impossible to avoid. It has always been so. There has never been a moment when you did not experience One Taste – it is the only reality in all of reality. In a million billion years, there has never been a single second that you weren't aware of this Taste; there has never been a single second where it wasn't directly in your Original Face like a blast of arctic air. Of course, we have often lied to ourselves about this, we have often been untruthful about this, the universe of One Taste, the primordial sound of one hand clapping, our own Original Face. And the nondual traditions aim, not to bring about this state, because that is impossible, but simply to point it out to you so that you can no longer ignore it, no longer lie to yourself about who you really are. (Source: A Brief History of Everything. More to be found in The Simple Feeling of Being, a collection of Ken Wilber’s inspirational, mystical and instructional passages drawn from his publications, based on his experiences.)


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简体中文翻译:

在这段节录自《灵性之眼(The Eye of Spirit)》的文字中,肯·威尔伯带来他最具力量(并且最优美)的一篇心灵写作。这是这篇文字首次在网络上完整呈现,我们欢迎你随意分享这篇章的内容。

以下所呈现的是各种点悟(pointing out的指导(instructions),即对心之本质或内在灵性(Intrinsic Spirit)的直接指引。传统上,这包含大量有意的重复。如果你以普通阅读的方式读下去,你也许会觉得那些重复之处乏味甚至厌烦。如果你希望这一部分内容对你起作用,最好慢慢读,缓慢从容,让这些文字以及它们的重复在你心中沉淀。你还可以将其中的段落作为修行材料,每次禅修只取一两段,甚至只取一两句话来观修。”——·威尔伯

原文:

In this excerpt from The Eye of Spirit, Ken Wilber offers one of the most powerful (and beautiful) pieces of spiritual writing he has ever produced. This is the very first time these words have been reproduced on the web, and we invite you to share this chapter however you like.

“What follows are various ‘pointing out’ instructions, direct pointers to mind’s essential nature or intrinsic Spirit. Traditionally this involves a great deal of intentional repetition. If you read this material in the normal manner, you might find the repetitions tedious and perhaps irritating. If you would like the rest of this particular section to work for you, please read it in a slow and leisurely manner, letting the words and the repetitions sink in. You can also use these sections as material for meditation, using no more than one or two paragraphs—or even one or two sentences—for each session.” –Ken Wilber


段落 2

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我们应当把灵性(Spirit)安放何处?我们到底能将什么视为神圣?我们究竟在哪里找到存在之基?究竟什么才是终极的神圣(the Sacred)?

大探寻(The Great Search

不二传统给出的洞见毫不妥协:只有灵性(Spirit),只有上帝,只有空寂(Emptiness)处处显现。所有美善和所有丑恶,最正直与最堕落,善人和卑鄙者——从本质上看,无一不是灵性(Spirit)的彻底完美显现。世间万物无不是神,无不是女神(the Goddess),无不是灵性,任何一粒沙尘也无所谓多一点或少一点的神性。

这一见解会颠覆那深藏于分离自我(the separate-self sense)心中的大探寻。分离自我,本质上就是一种寻觅的张力。当你此刻感受自己,你大抵会察觉到内在有一丝细微的紧张或收缩——一种抓取、渴望、期待、想要、排斥、抗拒的感觉,是一个带着努力的寻找感。

其最极端的形态,是对灵性的大探寻。我们想从无明二元对立的现状抵达某个开悟或更灵性的境地,我们想从没有灵性之处有灵性之处

但事实上,没有灵性不在之处。宇宙中的每一个点,都是灵性本身,都是上帝或女神本身。任何形式的寻觅、移动、抵达,在这种真理面前都形同枉然。大探寻只会强化那个假设:好像有个地方没有灵性,而我需要从空缺之处走向圆满之所。但灵性从未缺席,也不曾更少。当下唯一的事实就是灵性。

追寻灵性,恰恰是阻挡你当下认出灵性的最后一道障碍。而原因很简单:大探寻基于这样一个假设:此刻我没有上帝。大探寻越强烈,就越否定上帝当下的显现,也就越阻挡你去了悟灵性无处不在、全然敞现的事实。大探寻假装自己在热爱上帝,实际上却在将上帝推远——它总是指望明天才找到上帝,把当下与上帝擦肩而过。大探寻关注未来如此热切,以至于从未看过当下上帝正对着你微笑。

大探寻就是那潜藏在分离自我中心的缺爱与收缩——它在承诺你终有一天会找到救赎,却让你依旧保留一个自己。大探寻越强,越能让你保持对上帝的否定,也越能让你持续感受那份努力寻找的我。大探寻——真正地成为了当下之神的敌人。

那么我们是不是该简单地停止这个大探寻?绝对是,如果做得到。然而试图停止大探寻,本身又是大探寻的延伸。因为那第一个停止的动作恰恰默认了分离我依然在努力去停下那个搜索。这其实就是同一个自我收缩在运作——自我收缩与大探寻本是同一个东西。

既然不能指望通过大探寻的过程在将来获得灵性,那就只剩下一种可能:灵性此刻就已全然、彻底地呈现——并且你也此刻就已全然、彻底地认出了它。如果你说灵性当下存在,可是我还没有觉知到,这不又在召唤大探寻吗?这又要求我在某个未来时刻去得到对灵性的觉知,而这样的期望必然会错过此刻,错过现在。如果继续搜索,就继续错过,不断错过。不行,这种觉知本身也只能当下圆满,不可能等待未来

因此,一定有关于我们当下觉知的某些奥秘,使我们此刻就能认出完整真理。不论你正处于何种状态,你都已圆满具足了明心见性的全部条件。你当下正好面对答案——100%的灵性就在你的感知当中。不是20%,不是50%,也不是99%,而是真真正正100%全然齐备。诀窍(如果可以这么说)就在于认出当下即是,而不是去营造一个明天才出现的灵性

这份对已然全然存在的灵性的认出,就是不二传统(the great Nondual traditions)的修持核心。

原文:


In this excerpt from The Eye of Spirit, Ken Wilber offers one of the most powerful (and beautiful) pieces of spiritual writing he has ever produced. This is the very first time these words have been reproduced on the web, and we invite you to share this chapter however you like.

“What follows are various ‘pointing out’ instructions, direct pointers to mind’s essential nature or intrinsic Spirit. Traditionally this involves a great deal of intentional repetition. If you read this material in the normal manner, you might find the repetitions tedious and perhaps irritating. If you would like the rest of this particular section to work for you, please read it in a slow and leisurely manner, letting the words and the repetitions sink in. You can also use these sections as material for meditation, using no more than one or two paragraphs—or even one or two sentences—for each session.” –Ken Wilber

Where are we to locate Spirit? What are we actually allowed to acknowledge as Sacred? Where exactly is the Ground of Being? Where is this ultimate Divine?

The Great Search

The Realization of the Nondual traditions is uncompromising: there is only Spirit, there is only God, there is only Emptiness in all its radiant wonder. All the good and all the evil, the very best and the very worst, the upright and the degenerate-each and all are radically perfect manifestations of Spirit precisely as they are. There is nothing but God, nothing but the Goddess, nothing but Spirit in all directions, and not a grain of sand, not a speck of dust, is more or less Spirit than any other.

This realization undoes the Great Search that is the heart of the separate-self sense. The separate-self is, at bottom, simply a sensation of seeking. When you feel yourself right now, you will basically feel a tiny interior tension or contraction—a sensation of grasping, desiring, wishing, wanting, avoiding, resisting-it is a sensation of effort, a sensation of seeking.

In its highest form, this sensation of seeking takes on the form of the Great Search for Spirit. We wish to get from our unenlightened state (of sin or delusion or duality) to an enlightened or more spiritual state. We wish to get from where Spirit is not, to where Spirit is.

But there is no place where Spirit is not. Every single location in the entire Kosmos is equally and fully Spirit. Seeking of any sort, movement of any sort, attainment of any sort: all profoundly useless. The Great Search simply reinforces the mistaken assumption that there is some’ place that Spirit is not, and that I need to get from a space that is lacking to a space that is full. But there is no space lacking, and there is no space more full. There is only Spirit.

The Great Search for Spirit is simply that impulse, the final impulse, which prevents the present realization of Spirit, and it does so for a simple reason: the Great Search presumes the loss of God. The Great Search reinforces the mistaken belief that God is not present, and thus totally obscures the ‘reality of God’s ever-present Presence. The Great Search, which pretends to love God, is in fact the very mechanism of pushing God away; the mechanism of promising to find tomorrow that which exists only in the timeless now; the mechanism of watching the future so fervently that the present always passes it by—very quickly and God’s smiling face with it.

The Great Search is the loveless contraction hidden in the heart of the separate-self sense, a contraction that drives the intense yearning for a tomorrow in which salvation will finally arrive, but during which time, thank God, I can continue to be myself. The greater the Great Search, the more I can deny God. The greater the Great Search, the more I can feel my own sensation of seeking, which defines the contours of my self. The Great Search is the great enemy of what is.

Should we then simply cease the Great Search? Definitely, if we could. But the effort to stop the Great Search is itself more of the Great Search. The very first step presumes and reinforces the seeking sensation. There is actually nothing the self-contraction can do to stop the Great Search, because the self-contraction and the Great Search are two names for the same thing.

If Spirit cannot be found as a future product of the Great Search, then there is only one alternative: Spirit must be fully, totally, completely present right now—AND you must be fully, totally, completely aware of it right now. It will not do to say that Spirit is present but I don’t realize it. That would require the Great Search; that would demand that I seek a tomorrow in which I could realize that Spirit is fully present, but such seeking misses the present in the very first step. To keep seeking would be to keep missing. No, the realization itself, the awareness itself: this, too, must somehow be fully and completely present right now. If it is not, then all we have left is the Great Search, doomed to presume that which it wishes to overcome.

There must be something about our present awareness that contains the entire truth. Somehow, no matter what your state, you are immersed fully in everything you need for perfect enlightenment. You are somehow looking right at the answer. One hundred percent of Spirit is in your perception right now. Not 20 percent, not 50 percent, not 99 percent, but literally 100 percent of Spirit is in your awareness right now—and the trick, as it were, is to recognize this ever-present state of affairs, and not to engineer a future state in which Spirit will announce itself.

And this simple recognition of an already present Spirit is the task, as it were, of the great Nondual traditions.

段落 3

简体中文翻译:

走向宇宙(To Meet the Kosmos

很多人对任何形式的神秘主义(mysticism超验主义(transcendentalism都抱有严厉的反对意见,因为他们认为这类主张好像否定这个世界、仇恨这片大地、鄙弃身体和感官以及其生命活力等等。虽然在某些割裂(或仅仅强调上升)的修行观中也许确实存在这样的问题,但这绝不是那些伟大不二(Nondual)神秘传统的核心洞见。从柏洛提努斯(Plotinus)与艾克哈特(Meister Eckhart)在西方,到龙树(Nagarjuna)和益西措嘉(Lady Tsogyal)在东方,这些真正的圣者无一不共同坚持:绝对实相和相对世界并不是两个互相隔离的范畴,而是不二(nondual的。就好像镜子与其中的映像、或海洋与海面的浪花,它们虽有二相,却并非真的分离。

也就是说,灵性世界现象世界在深层上是相通的。此岸彼岸”——一个无显的灵性层面与一个处处充满显形事物的层面——其实是完全不二的,这不二并非仅仅是概念,而是可以通过特定的禅修状态直接并立即证得。换言之,这是一种通过观照之眼(the eye of contemplation得以亲见的境界。

一旦这种不二之见(nondual realization)稳定下来,它就不仅仅在你冥想时显现,而会变得极其自然、极其平常。你所感知到的每一个事物,全都闪耀着灵性本身,所以你与某样东西之间,不存在一个彼此分离的我在这儿,它在那儿的界限。正如古人所说:听到鸟鸣之时,就是当下;见到花开之时,就是此处,一切都不离本然如是(Suchness。这当下即是你从迷失于现实中苏醒的终极解脱。

然而,为什么我们平时并没有这样的认知?

所有伟大的不二智慧传统都给出过大同小异的答案:我们并未看到灵性(Spirit)随时随处现前,是因为我们的觉知被某种回避或抗拒蒙蔽了。我们本可毫不选择地敞开当下,但却总想要逃离它,或跑向它,或改变它、改造它、厌恶它、爱上它,或以某种方式奋力调动自己,以远离或者攫取此刻。我们不愿安住在纯粹的当下临在(presence)之中,而伟大探寻就是主要的游戏机制。

在不二禅修或内观里,那分离自我的紧张与执取会深深地放松,于是自我在广袤的虚空中松弛散开。届时你会发现,你并不是真的在这里看着一个在那边的世界,主客的二分突然坍塌成纯然的临在自发光明

这种见地可以以许多方式出现。举个简单的例子:你可能正望着一座山,已经放松到不再用心去构造任何观念,然后突然之间,整座山都充满你的视界,而那分离的的感觉彻底消失得无影无踪。你依然清醒无比,感官也一如既往清晰,只是你找不到任何自己——没有里面那个注视山景的自我,只有山,只有自然,只有一切当下现前的情境。

从前我们也许会给这样的状态套用许多名字,比如与自然合一的经验(nature unity“sahaj三昧(sahaj samadhi。但这其实是最朴素、最自然的状态。更重要的是,一旦你瞥见了这个状态(正如佛教所说的一味”One Taste),你会发现自己并没有进入某种崭新的境界,而是认识到这个状态自始至终都在,当下历来如此。就像禅宗说的无门之门:当你还没觉悟时,似乎要进入一道门;可当你觉悟之后,转过头却发现根本没有什么门。你从来没有离开过这个状态,所以也并无所谓进入。过去、现在、未来的一切佛,都不会进入这个状态,因为谁都不曾离开过它。

原文:

To Meet the Kosmos

Many people have stern objections to “mysticism” or “transcendentalism” of any sort, because they think it somehow denies this world, or hates this earth, or despises the body and the senses and its vital life, and so on. While that may be true of certain dissociated (or merely Ascending) approaches, it is certainly not the core understanding of the great Nondual mystics, from Plotinus and Eckhart in the West to Nagarjuna and Lady Tsogyal in the East.

Rather, these sages universally maintain that absolute reality and the relative world are “not-two” (which is the meaning of “nondual”), much as a mirror and its reflections are not separate, or an ocean is one with its many waves. So the “other world” of Spirit and “this world” of separate phenomena are deeply and profoundly “not-two,” and this nonduality is a direct and immediate realization which occurs in certain meditative states—in other words, seen with the eye of contemplation—although it then becomes a very simple, very ordinary perception, whether you are meditating or not. Every single thing you perceive is the radiance of Spirit itself, so much so that Spirit is not seen apart from that thing: the robin sings, and just that is it, nothing else. This becomes your constant realization, through all changes of state, very naturally, just so. And this releases you from the basic insanity of hiding from the Real.

But why is it, then, that we ordinarily don’t have that perception?

All the great Nondual wisdom traditions have given a fairly similar answer to that question. We don’t see that Spirit is fully and completely present right here, right now, because our awareness is clouded with some form of avoidance. We do not want to be choicelessly aware of the present; rather, we want to run away from it, or run after it, or we want to change it, alter it; hate it, love it, loathe it, or in some way agitate to get ourselves into, or out of, it. We will do anything except come to rest in the pure Presence of the present. We will not rest with pure Presence; we want to be elsewhere, quickly. The Great Search is the game, in its endless forms.

In nondual meditation or contemplation, the agitation of the separate-self sense profoundly relaxes, and the self uncoils in the vast expanse of all space. At that point, it becomes obvious that you are not “in here” looking at the world “out there,” because that duality has simply collapsed into pure Presence and spontaneous luminosity.

This realization may take many forms. A simple one is something like this: You might be looking at a mountain, and you have relaxed into the effortlessness of your own present awareness, and then suddenly the mountain is all, you are nothing. Your separate-self sense is suddenly and totally gone, and there is simply everything that is arising moment to moment. You are perfectly aware, perfectly conscious, everything seems completely normal, except you are nowhere to be found. You are not on this side of your face looking at the mountain out there; you simply are the mountain, you are the sky, you are the clouds, you are everything that is arising moment to moment, very simply, very clearly, just so.

We know all the fancy names for this state, from unity consciousness to sahaj samadhi. But it really is the simplest and most obvious state you will ever realize. Moreover, once you glimpse that state—what the Buddhists call One Taste (because you and the entire universe are one taste or one experience)—it becomes obvious that you are not entering this state, but rather, it is a state that, in some profound and mysterious way, has been your primordial condition from time immemorial. You have, in fact, never left this state for a second.

This is why Zen calls it the Gateless Gate: on this side of that realization, it looks like you have to do something to enter that state—it looks like you need to pass through a gate. But when you do so, and you turn around and look back, there is no gate whatsoever, and never has been. You have never left this state in the first place, so obviously you can’t enter it. The gateless gate! “Every form is Emptiness just as it is,” means that all things, including you and me, are always already on the other side of the gateless gate.

But if that is so, then why even do spiritual practice? Isn’t that just another form of the Great Search? Yes, actually, spiritual practice is a form of the Great Search, and as such, it is destined to fail. But that is exactly the point. You and I are already convinced that there are things that we need to do in order to realize Spirit. We feel that there are places that Spirit is not (namely, in me), and we are going to correct this state of affairs. Thus, we are already committed to the Great Search, and so nondual meditation makes use of that fact and engages us in the Great Search in a particular and somewhat sneaky fashion (which Zen calls “selling water by the river”).

William Blake said that “a fool who persists in his folly will become wise.” So nondual meditation simply speeds up the folly. If you really think you lack Spirit, then try this folly: try to become Spirit, try to discover Spirit, try to contact Spirit, try to reach Spirit: meditate and meditate and meditate in order to get Spirit!

But of course, you see, you cannot really do this. You cannot reach Spirit any more than you can reach your feet. You always already are Spirit, you are not going to reach it in any sort of temporal thrashing around. But if this is not obvious, then try it. Nondual meditation is a serious effort to do the impossible, until you become utterly exhausted of the Great Search, sit down completely worn out, and notice your feet.

It’s not that these nondual traditions deny higher states; they don’t. They have many, many practices that help individuals reach specific states of postformal consciousness. These include states of transcendental bliss, love, and compassion; of heightened cognition and extrasensory perception; of Deity consciousness and contemplative prayer. But they maintain that those altered states—which have a beginning and an end in time—ultimately have nothing to do with the timeless. The real aim is the stateless, not a perpetual fascination with changes of state. And that stateless condition is the true nature of this and every conceivable state of consciousness, so any state you have will do just fine. Change of state is not the ultimate point; recognizing the Changeless is the point, recognizing primordial Emptiness is the point, recognizing unqualifiable Godhead is the point, recognizing pure Spirit is the point, and if you are breathing and vaguely awake, that state of consciousness will do just fine.


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段落 4

简体中文翻译:

无时不在的觉知(Ever-Present Awareness

不二传统而言,一味(One Taste并非要创造某个新的境地,而是认出它自始自终就存在。对这一点的认识,可简要描述如下:

(下面是若干段点悟(pointing out指导,直接指向心之本质或内在灵性〔intrinsic Spirit〕。传统上会使用大量有意的重复。如果你以普通的方式阅读,也许会觉得这些重复有些枯燥或惹人烦躁。若你想让以下内容真正对自己产生作用,可以用慢节奏来读,让这些句子——以及它们的重复——逐渐在你心里沉淀。你也可以把这些文字当作禅修素材,在每次修行中只拿出一两段,甚至一两句来参究。)

我们从这样一个认识开始:纯粹的自我或超个人的见证者(the transpersonal Witness),其实是一种时时刻刻都在的觉知(ever-present awareness),甚至当我们怀疑它的存在时,它也仍然在。比如,现在你能感知到这房间、看到窗外、天色、云朵……你可以退一步,看到自己对这些所观之物的觉察,这是一种自然的、自发的见证或观察。

只要让自己轻松地感知此刻正在发生的一切:天空、云朵、念头在脑中飘过。只要你观察,你就会自然而然地觉知它们。就是这样,一种纯粹、无需费力、自发的见证就在那里。

在这简单的见证觉知中,你或许会注意到:我能看见我的身体,但我并不等同于我的身体;我能觉知我的思想,但我并不等同于我的思想;我也能觉知此时此刻的自我感,但我也不等同于那个自我感。我似乎比这一切——身体、心智、乃至此时的自我印象”——都更加本源。相对于念头、感官、感受来说,我是见证者。

这真是让人惊奇。我能够看见我的念头,所以我并不是那些念头;我能觉知到身体的感觉,所以我并不是那些感觉;我能觉知到我的情绪,所以我不等同于这些情绪——相反,我似乎是见证者!

但是,这个见证者到底是什么?究竟是什么东西在见证天空里飘动的云朵、在见证心中飘过的念头?究竟是谁,或者什么,在此刻见证这所有的景象?

不二传统主张:那个纯粹的见证觉知,本身就是灵性(Spirit)、是你与生俱来的佛性(Buddha-nature),或者说就是上帝(God的本质显现。

因此,就这些传统而言,与灵性或上帝接触并不难,它就是此时你的见证觉知,它在这一瞬间就完全发挥着作用:你看到了天空,你听到了鸟鸣,你感到了微风——这些都已在当下被觉知,你不用去额外创造一个见证者;它不离当下。

一部大圆满或大手印(Dzogchen / Mahamudra)的经典文字里,有这样一段:

有时,一些修行者会说,我认识本心(mind’s true nature)好难啊!’——在大圆满里,本心的自性就是那本初清净(primordial Purity)或根本空性,也就是不二的灵性。有人会哭得稀里哗啦,悲观地说我实在无法认出心性。但这是毫无理由的悲伤,这种认出并不困难。当下让你生起似乎无法认出心性的那颗心,它本身就是心性的直接体现!

至于为何这无处不在的见证觉知难以触及:有些修行者没有让心自然地安住于其本性(即那单纯的当下觉知),正如本应如此。相反,他们让心去向外观察或向内搜寻。你既不能通过向外观察,也不能通过向内搜寻看见或发现(灵性)。根本没有必要向外观察或向内搜寻。直接投入到那正在向外观察或向内搜寻的心中,而那正是它。

我们意识到这间房间;仅此而已,正是这种觉知本身就是无处不在的灵。
我们意识到天空中飘过的云;仅此而已,正是这种觉知本身就是无处不在的灵。
我们意识到心中浮现的念头;仅此而已,正是这种觉知本身就是无处不在的灵。
我们意识到痛苦、动荡、恐惧与惊惧;仅此而已。

换句话说,终极实相并不是被看见的某种存在,而正是那无处不在的观察者。
那些被看见的事物来来去去,有喜有悲,有乐有苦——而观察者既不属于这些,也不会随之消逝。
见证者不动摇,不踌躇,也不会融入那流逝的时流。
见证者不是一个客体,不是某个被看见的事物,而是万物无处不在的观察者;是那简单的见证,正是精神中的,是风暴的中心,是那通透之境即神,是那澄净之地即纯空。

无论何时,你都能接触到这种见证的觉知。在每个当下,总会自发地觉察到眼前的一切——而这种简单、自发、毫不费力的觉知正是无处不在的精神本质。即便你以为自己未曾察觉,正是这种觉知构成了一切。因而,终极的意识状态——内在的精神本质——既非难以达到,而是无法避免。

 

原文:


Ever-Present Awareness

This primordial recognition of One Taste—not the creation but the recognition of the fact that you and the Kosmos are One Spirit, One Taste, One Gesture—is the great gift of the Nondual traditions. And in simplified form, this recognition goes like this:

(What follows are various “pointing out” instructions, direct pointers to mind’s essential nature or intrinsic Spirit. Traditionally this involves a great deal of intentional repetition. If you read this material in the normal manner, you might find the repetitions tedious and perhaps irritating. If you would like the rest of this particular section to work for you, please read it in a slow and leisurely manner, letting the words and the repetitions sink in. You can also use these sections as material for meditation, using no more than one or two paragraphs—or even one or two sentences—for each session.)

We begin with the realization that the pure Self or transpersonal Witness is an ever-present consciousness, even when we doubt its existence. You are right now aware of, say, this book, the room, a window, the sky, the clouds…. You can sit back and simply notice that you are aware of all those objects floating by. Clouds float through the sky, thoughts float through the mind, and when you notice them, you are effortlessly aware of them. There is a simple, effortless, spontaneous witnessing of whatever happens to be present.

In that simple witnessing awareness, you might notice: I am aware of my body, and therefore I am not my body. I am aware of my mind, and therefore I am not my mind. I am aware of my self, and therefore I am not that self. Rather, I seem somehow to be the Witness of my body, my mind, my self.

This is truly fascinating. I can see my thoughts, so I am not those thoughts. I am aware of bodily sensations, so I am not those sensations. I am aware of my emotions, so I am not merely those emotions. I am somehow the Witness of all of that!

But what is this Witness itself? Who or What is it that witnesses all of these objects, that watches the clouds float by, and thoughts float by, and objects float by? Who or What is this true Seer, this pure Witness, which is at the very core of what I am?

That simple witnessing awareness, the traditions maintain, is Spirit itself, is the enlightened mind itself, is Buddha-nature itself, is God itself, in its entirety.

Thus, according to the traditions, getting in touch with Spirit or God or the enlightened mind is not something difficult to achieve. It is your own simple witnessing awareness in exactly this moment. If you see this page, you already have that awareness–all of it—right now.

A very famous text from Dzogchen or Maha-Ati Buddhism (one of the very greatest of the Nondual traditions) puts it like this: “At times it happens that some meditators say that it is difficult to recognize the nature of the mind”—in Dzogchen, “the nature of the mind” means primordial Purity or radical Emptiness—it means nondual Spirit by whatever name. The point is that this “nature of the mind” is ever-present witnessing awareness, and some meditators, the text says, find this hard to believe. They imagine it is difficult or even impossible to recognize this ever-present awareness, and that they have to work very hard and meditate very long in order to attain this enlightened mind—whereas it is simply their own ever-present witnessing awareness, fully functioning right now.

The text continues: “Some male or female practitioners believe it to be impossible to recognize the nature of mind. They become depressed with tears streaming down their cheeks. There is no reason at all to become sad. It is not at all impossible to recognize. Rest directly in that which thinks that it is impossible to recognize the nature of the mind, and that is exactly it.”

As for this ever-present witnessing awareness being hard to contact: “There are some meditators who don’t let their mind rest in itself [simple present awareness], as they should. Instead they let it watch outwardly or search inwardly. You will neither see nor find [Spirit] by watching outwardly or searching inwardly. There is no reason whatsoever to watch outwardly or search inwardly. Let go directly into this mind that is watching outwardly or searching inwardly, and that is exactly it.”

We are aware of this room; just that is it, just that awareness is ever-present Spirit. We are aware of the clouds floating by in the sky; just that is it, just that awareness is ever-present Spirit. We are aware of thoughts floating by in the mind; just that is it, just that awareness is ever-present Spirit. We are aware of pain, turmoil, terror, fear; just that is it.

In other words, the ultimate reality is not something seen, but rather the ever-present Seer. Things that are seen come and go, are happy or sad, pleasant or painful—but the Seer is none of those things, and it does not come and go. The Witness does not waver, does not wobble, does not enter that stream of time. The Witness is not an object, not a thing seen, but the ever-present Seer of all things, the simple Witness that is the I of Spirit, the center of the cyclone, the opening that is God, the clearing that is pure Emptiness.

There is never a time that you do not have access to this Witnessing awareness. At every single moment, there is a spontaneous awareness of whatever happens to be present—and that simple, spontaneous, effortless awareness is ever-present Spirit itself. Even if you think you don’t see it, that very awareness is it. And thus, the ultimate state of consciousness—intrinsic Spirit itself—is not hard to reach but impossible to avoid.


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而这正是不二诸学派最伟大且被珍藏的秘密。呈现出什么对象或内容并不重要;无论生起什么都可以。人们有时难以理解灵性(Spirit),因为他们试图将其视为某种被觉知的客体或被理解的对象。然而,终极实相并不是任何被看见的东西,而是那个看见者(the Seer)。灵性不是一个客体;它是根本的、无处不在的主体,因此它不可能像一块石头、一幅图像、一个概念、一道光、一种感觉、一种洞见、一片光明的云彩、一段强烈的景象或一种巨大欢喜的感受那样,突然从你面前跳出来。那些都很好,但它们都是客体,而灵性并非如此。

因此,当你安住于见证者(the Witness时,你不会见到任何特定的东西。真正的看见者是无法被看见的,所以你只需从对任何及所有客体的认同中脱离出来:

我觉知到身体中的感官作用;那些是客体,我并不是它们。我觉知到心中的念头;那些是客体,我并不是它们。我觉知到此刻的自我感,但那也只是另一个客体,我并不是那个。

景象在大自然中飘过,念头在心中飘过,感受在身体中飘过,而我并不是这些。我不是一个客体。我是所有那些客体的纯粹见证者。我就是本身即觉知(Consciousness as such

原文:

“And just that is the great and guarded secret of the Nondual schools. It does not matter what objects or contents are present; whatever arises is fine. People sometimes have a hard time understanding Spirit because they try to see it as an object of awareness or an object of comprehension. But the ultimate reality is not anything seen, it is the Seer. Spirit is not an object; it is radical, ever-present Subject, and thus it is not something that is going to jump out in front of you like a rock, an image, an idea, a light, a feeling, an insight, a luminous cloud, an intense vision, or a sensation of great bliss. Those are all nice, but they are all objects, which is what Spirit is not. Thus, as you rest in the Witness, you won’t see anything in particular. The true Seer is nothing that can be seen, so you simply begin by disidentifying with any and all objects: I am aware of sensations in my body; those are objects, I am not those. I am aware of thoughts in my mind; those are objects, I am not those. I am aware of my self in this moment, but that is just another object, and I am not that. Sights float by in nature, thoughts float by in the mind, feelings float by in the body, and I am none of those. I am not an object. I am the pure Witness of all those objects. I am Consciousness as such.”


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因此,当你安住在纯粹的见证者中时,你不会见到任何特别之处——无论看见什么都可以。更确切地说,当你安住于那个根本主体或见证者中时,当你停止把自己认同于那些客体,你就会开始注意到一种极其广阔的自由感。这种自由并不是你会看见的某种东西;而是你所是。当你是念头的见证者时,你就不受念头束缚;当你是感受的见证者时,你就不被感受束缚。取代那种紧缩的自我感的,是广阔无边的敞开与解脱。作为一个客体,你是被束缚的;而作为见证者,你是自由的。

我们不会看见这种自由,我们会安住于这种自由中——那就像一个无垠的、无限轻松的海洋。

原文:

“And so, as you rest in the pure Witness, you won’t see anything particular—whatever you see is fine. Rather, as you rest in the radical subject or Witness, as you stop identifying with objects, you will simply begin to notice a sense of vast Freedom. This Freedom is not something you will see; it is something you are. When you are the Witness of thoughts, you are not bound by thoughts. When you are the Witness of feelings, you are not bound by feelings. In place of your contracted self there is simply a vast sense of Openness and Release. As an object, you are bound; as the Witness, you are Free. We will not see this Freedom, we will rest in it. A vast ocean of infinite ease.”


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因此,我们安住于这个纯粹而简单的见证者(the true Seer)之状态中,它是广大无边的空寂,也是纯粹的自由。我们允许那些被看见的事物随它们的方式自行生起。灵性(Spirit)在那个自由而空的见证者中,而不在时间世界里不断涌现、受局限而易逝的客体之中。因此,我们安住于这广大无垠的空寂与自由之中,一切事物都在其中生起。

我们并不能到达接触这种纯粹的见证觉知。这并不是可能的,因为我们从未真正失去它。我们只需注意到当下正在发生的事情,就能轻松地安住于这种简单、清晰、无处不在的觉知之中。我们已经看见天空,我们已经听到鸟儿在歌唱,我们已经感受到凉爽的微风。这个简单的见证早已存在、早已运作、早已如是。这就是为什么我们无需接触带来这个见证者,而只需注意到它自始自终都在,以简单而自发的方式,觉知着当下正在发生的一切。

原文:

“And so we rest in this state of the pure and simple Witness, the true Seer, which is vast Emptiness and pure Freedom, and we allow whatever is seen to arise as it wishes. Spirit is in the Free and Empty Seer, not in the limited, bound, mortal, and finite objects that parade by in the world of time. And so we rest in this vast Emptiness and Freedom, in which all things arise. We do not reach or contact this pure Witnessing awareness. It is not possible to contact that which we have never lost. Rather, we rest in this easy, clear, ever-present awareness by simply noticing what is already happening. We already see the sky. We already hear the birds singing. We already feel the cool breeze. The simple Witness is already present, already functioning, already the case. That is why we do not contact or bring this Witness into being, but simply notice that it is always already present, as the simple and spontaneous awareness of whatever is happening in this moment.”


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我们也会注意到,这种简单、无所不在的见证者完全不需要任何努力。听到声音、看到景象、感受到凉风丝毫不费力,这一切都已经在发生,我们轻松地安住在那毫不费力的见证之中。我们既不追逐那些客体,也不逃避它们。正因为灵性(Spirit)是无处不在的看见者,而不是作为被看见的受限之物,我们才能任由一切所见之物来去自由,恰如其分。正如庄子所言:至人之用心为镜。它既不执取,也不拒绝;它接纳万物,却不留存。镜子毫不费力地接收它的映像,就像你此刻毫不费力地看见天空,也如同见证者毫不费力地让所有客体生起。所有事物在这毫不费力的镜心中来来去去,那就是简单见证者的本质。

原文:

“We also notice that this simple, ever-present Witness is completely effortless. It takes no effort whatsoever to hear sounds, to see sights, to feel the cool breeze: it is already happening, and we easily rest in that effortless witnessing. We do not follow those objects, nor avoid them. Precisely because Spirit is the ever-present Seer, and not any limited thing that is seen, we can allow all seen things to come and go exactly as they please. “The perfect person employs the mind as a mirror,” says Chuang Tzu. “It neither grasps nor rejects; it receives, but does not keep.” The mirror effortlessly receives its reflections, just as you effortlessly see the sky right now, and just as the Witness effortlessly allows all objects whatsoever to arise. All things come and go in the effortless mirror-mind that is the simple Witness.”


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当我安住为那个纯粹而简单的见证者时,我注意到自己并没有被卷进时间世界里。见证者只存在于无时性的当下。然而,这个状态并非难以企及,而是根本无法规避。见证者只看见无时间性的当下,因为唯有这个当下一刻是真实存在的。当我想起过去,这些对过去的念头此时此刻就存在于当下;当我思考未来,这些对未来的念头也同样存在于当下。当下的单纯、无处不在的觉知中,过去与未来的念头都在这一刻生起。

同样,当过去真的发生,它其实也发生在那时的现在;当未来真的发生时,它也必然处在它的当下。世上只有现在,也只有这永远当下的现在’——那是我能够直接知晓的一切。因此,无时间性的当下并非难以接触,而是根本无法回避。当我安住于纯粹而简单的见证者之中,看着过去与未来在这简单、无所不在的觉知里飘过时,这一点就不言自明。

原文:

“When I rest as the pure and simple Witness, I notice that I am not caught in the world of time. The Witness exists only in the timeless present. Yet again, this is not a state that is difficult to achieve but impossible to avoid. The Witness sees only the timeless present because only the timeless present is actually real. When I think of the past, those past thoughts exist right now, in this present. When I think of the future, those future thoughts exist right now, in this present. Past and future thoughts both arise right now, in simple ever-present awareness. And when the past actually occurred, it occurred right now. When the future actually occurs, it will occur right now. There is only right now, there is only this ever-present present: that is all I ever directly know. Thus, the timeless present is not hard to contact but impossible to avoid, and this becomes obvious when I rest as the pure and simple Witness, and watch the past and future float by in simple ever-present awareness.”


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因此,当我们安住于这个无所不在的见证者时,我们并不在时间之中。安住在那简单而见证性的觉知中,我注意到时间好像云朵一般从我面前,或者从我之中飘过。这正是我能觉知到时间的原因;在我那简单的当下临在(Presentness)里,以我是/本我(I AMness)的纯粹且简单之见证者的方式来见证整个宇宙(Kosmos),我其实是无时间性的。

因此,就在此时此刻,当我安住于这个简单、无所不在的见证者中,我正与灵性(Spirit)面对面。我在今天、也在所有时刻与上帝同在(和God同在),就在这个简单、无处不在的见证状态中。艾克哈特说,上帝比我自己离我还更近,因为上帝与我乃同一本体,都在这个无所不在的见证者里,而这个见证者本质就是本具的灵性(intrinsic Spirit)本身,也就是我的我是/本我状态(the state of my I AMness)。我不是这个、我也不是那个;我安住于纯粹而开放的灵性(Spirit)里。当我不再是一个客体时,我就是上帝。(整个宇宙中所有的都能真实地说出这一点。)

我并没有进入这个无所不在的见证者之状态,也就是灵性本身。我无法进入这个状态,恰恰是因为它本来就无所不在。我无法开始见证;我只能注意到这个简单的见证已经在发生。这个状态从未在时间中开始,因为它确实无所不在。你既无法逃离,也无法奔向它;你一直就是它。这正是为什么诸佛从来没有进入这个状态,而众生也从未离开过它。

原文:

“That is why when we rest as the ever-present Witness, we are not in time. Resting in simple witnessing awareness, I notice that time floats by in front of me, or through me, like clouds float through the sky. And that is exactly why I can be aware of time; in my simple Presentness, in my I AMness as pure and simple Witness of the Kosmos, I am timeless.

Thus, as I right now rest in this simple, ever-present Witness, I am face to face with Spirit. I am with God today, and always, in this simple, ever-present, witnessing state. Eckhart said that “God is closer to me than I am to myself,” because both God and I are one in the ever-present Witness, which is the nature of intrinsic Spirit itself, which is exactly what I am in the state of my I AMness. I am not this, I am not that; I rest as pure open Spirit. When I am not an object, I am God. (And every I in the entire Kosmos can say that truthfully.)

I am not entering this state of the ever-present Witness, which is Spirit itself. I cannot enter this state, precisely because it is ever-present. I cannot start Witnessing; I can only notice that this simple Witnessing is already occurring. This state never has a beginning in time precisely because it is indeed ever-present. You can neither run from it nor toward it; you are it, always. This is exactly why Buddhas have never entered this state, and sentient beings have never left it.”


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当我安住于那简单、清澈、无所不在的见证者时,我安住于那伟大的无生(the great Unborn),我安住于本具的灵性(intrinsic Spirit),我安住于本初清净(primordial Emptiness),我安住于无限的自由之中。我无法被看见,也没有任何属性。我不是这个,我也不是那个。我不是一个客体。我既非光明亦非黑暗,不是大也不是小,不在这里也不在那里;我没有颜色、没有位置、没有空间与时间;我是一个彻底的空寂(Emptiness),也可称为无限自由(infinite Freedom),无限向外延展。我就是那让整个有形世界此刻生起的开敞或空场,但我并不生于其中——而是那些现象生于我之中,于我这广大空寂与自由中。

那些被看见的事物也许愉悦或痛苦、开心或悲伤、喜悦或恐惧、健康或疾病——但那看见它们的主体既不是快乐也不是悲伤,既不是喜悦也不是恐惧,既不是健康也不是疾病,而只是自由。作为纯粹而简单的见证者,我超脱了一切客体,也超脱了一切主体,超脱了一切时间与空间;超脱于出生,也超脱于死亡,也超脱它们之间的种种事物。我只是一种纯粹的自由。

当我安住于那个无时间性的见证者时,大探寻(the Great Search)便被瓦解了。大探寻是对无所不在之灵性的大敌,是在温柔的无限面前的一记残酷谎言。大探寻去追寻某个终极的体验、一种奇妙的异象、一座快乐的天堂、一种永远美好的时光、一次强大的洞见——去追寻上帝、追寻女神、追寻灵性——可灵性并非一个客体。灵性无法被攫取、无法被抵达、无法被寻觅、无法被看见:它就是那无所不在的看见者。若你去寻找看见者,必然错失要点。若你永远去寻找,就会永远错过。你怎能去寻找当下正在觉知这页面的那个存在?你就是那个!你无法跑到外面去找那个正在的主体。

当我不把自己当作一个客体,我就是上帝。当我追寻一个客体时,我就不再是上帝,而这是无法用更多对客体的搜索来修正的灾难。

相反,我只能安住于那见证者,这个见证者原本就不受客体、时间、痛苦、追寻所限制。当我不把自己当作客体,我就是灵性。当我安住于那个自由而无形的见证者中,我此刻就在上帝之中,就在这无始无终的时刻。我品尝到无限,并被充盈感浸透,正是因为我不再追寻,而只是安住于我之所是。

在亚伯拉罕出生之前,我是(Before Abraham was, I AM)。在大爆炸之前,我就是。当宇宙溶解之后,我依然。我在所有的至大与至小之中,我是。然而,我永远无法被听到、被感觉到、被知道、被看见;我是/本我(I AM)就是无所不在的看见者。

正因为终极实相并不是任何被看见的东西,而是那看见者,所以任何时刻的所见内容毫无关系。无论你看见平和或动荡、看见平静或焦躁、看见极乐或惊恐、看见快乐或悲伤,都不重要:真正自由的并非这些状态,而是看见这些状态的那位看见者。

改变状态因此变得无关紧要;承认那无所不在的看见者才是重点。即便在大探寻最盛时,乃至在我自我收缩最严重时,我也能立刻、直接地接触到这无所不在的见证者。我无需努力去让这种简单的觉知生成,也无需进入这个状态,这完全不需要任何努力。我只是注意到对于天空、对于白云的觉知已经存在;我只是注意到对那永在的见证者的觉知已经在完全运作:它并不难抵达,而是根本无法避开。我一直都在这个无所不在的觉知里,就像在一个激进的空寂之中,一切显现此刻正从其中生起。

原文:

“When I rest in the simple, clear, ever-present Witness, I am resting in the great Unborn, I am resting in intrinsic Spirit, I am resting in primordial Emptiness, I am resting in infinite Freedom. I cannot be seen, I have no qualities at all. I am not this, I am not that. I am not an object. I am neither light nor dark; neither large nor small; neither here nor there; I have no color, no location, no space and no time; I am an utter Emptiness, another word for infinite Freedom, unbounded to infinity. I am that opening or clearing in which the entire manifest world arises right now, but I do not arise in it—it arises in me, in this vast Emptiness and Freedom that I am.

Things that are seen are pleasant or painful, happy or sad, joyous or fearful, healthy or sick—but the Seer of those things is neither happy nor sad, neither joyous nor fearful, neither healthy nor sick, but simply Free. As pure and simple Witness I am free of all objects, free of all subjects, free of all time and free of all space; free of birth and free of death, and free of all things in between. I am simply Free.

When I rest as the timeless Witness, the Great Search is undone. The Great Search is the enemy of the ever-present Spirit, a brutal lie in the face of a gentle infinity. The Great Search is the search for an ultimate experience, a fabulous vision, a paradise of pleasure, an unendingly good time, a powerful insight—a search for God, a search for Goddess, a search for Spirit—but Spirit is not an object. Spirit cannot be grasped or reached or sought or seen: it is the ever-present Seer. To search for the Seer is to miss the point. To search forever is to miss the point forever. How could you possibly search for that which is right now aware of this page? YOU ARE THAT! You cannot go out looking for that which is the Looker.

When I am not an object, I am God. When I seek an object, I cease to be God, and that catastrophe can never be corrected by more searching for more objects.

Rather, I can only rest as the Witness, which is already free of objects, free of time, free of suffering, and free of searching. When I am not an object, I am Spirit. When I rest as the free and formless Witness, I am with God right now, in this timeless and endless moment. I taste infinity and am drenched with fullness, precisely because I no longer seek, but simply rest as what I am.

Before Abraham was, I am. Before the Big Bang was, I am. After the universe dissolves, I am. In all things great and small, I am. And yet I can never be heard, felt, known, or seen; I AM is the ever-present Seer.

Precisely because the ultimate reality is not anything seen but rather the Seer, it doesn’t matter in the least what is seen in any moment. Whether you see peace or turmoil, whether you see equanimity or agitation, whether you see bliss or terror, whether you see happiness or sadness, matters not at all: it is not those states but the Seer of those states that is already Free.

Changing states is thus beside the point; acknowledging the ever-present Seer is the point. Even in the midst of the Great Search and even in the worst of my self-contracting ways, I have immediate and direct access to the ever-present Witness. I do not have to try to bring this simple awareness into existence. I do not have to enter this state. It involves no effort at all. I simply notice that there is already an awareness of the sky. I simply notice that there is already an awareness of the clouds. I simply notice that the ever-present Witness is already fully functioning: it is not hard to reach but impossible to avoid. I am always already in the lap of this ever-present awareness, the radical Emptiness in which all manifestation is presently arising.”


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段落 8

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当我安住于那个纯粹而简单的见证者时,我注意到这种觉知并不是一个经历。它觉知各种经历,但它本身并非某种经历。经历会来又去。它们都有在时间中的开端、稍作停留,然后离去。但它们都生起于我所是的那片简单的开敞或清明之地。在这个广大空间里,云朵会飘过,念头会飘过,各种经历会飘过。它们都会来,也都会去。但那广大的开敞本身——这个自由而空的看见者,这个容纳一切事物生起的空旷场域——它本身并不来去,甚至根本不移动。

因此,当我安住于这个纯粹而简单的见证者时,我不再被肉身、心智或灵性层面的各种经历所束缚或困扰。无论那些经历是高尚或低贱、神圣或世俗、愉悦或噩梦,它们都如同无尽浪潮一样在我的海洋上此起彼伏。当我安住于纯粹而简单的见证者中时,我不会再被那些体验的喜乐或苦难牵动。这些经历像浮云般越过我本来面目的天空,而我的内在对此敞开一切。

当我安住于那个纯粹而简单的见证者时,我甚至会开始注意到,见证者本身并不是一个与被见证之物分割开来的独立实体。所有事物都在见证者之内生起,以至于见证者本身最终消融于一切之中。

原文:

“When I rest in the pure and simple Witness, I notice that this awareness is not an experience. It is aware of experiences, it is not itself an experience. Experiences come and go. They have a beginning in time, they stay a bit, and they pass. But they all arise in the simple opening or clearing that is the vast expanse of what I am. The clouds float by in this vast expanse, and thoughts float by in this vast expanse, and experiences float by in this vast expanse. They all come, and they all go. But the vast expanse itself, this Free and Empty Seer, this spacious opening or clearing in which all things arise, does not itself come and go, or even move at all.

Thus, when I rest in the pure and simple Witness, I am no longer caught up in the search for experiences, whether of the flesh or of the mind or of the spirit. Experiences—whether high or low, sacred or profane, joyous or nightmarish—simply come and go like endless waves on the ocean of what I am. As I rest in the pure and simple Witness, I am no longer moved to follow the bliss and the torture of experiential displays. Experiences float across my Original Face like clouds floating across the clear autumn sky, and there is room in me for all.

When I rest in the pure and simple Witness, I will even begin to notice that the Witness itself is not a separate thing or entity, set apart from what it witnesses. All things arise within the Witness, so much so that the Witness itself disappears into all things.”


段落 9

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因此,当我安住在那简单、清澈、无所不在的觉知中时,我注意到既没有内在也没有外在。没有主观,也没有客观。事物与事件依然完好地、清晰地在生起——云依然在飘,鸟儿仍在唱,凉风依然拂面——但不再有一个分离的自我对它们作出回避或抗拒。这些事件就那样自然生起,而不再被那个紧缩的自我或主体不断参照和指涉。事件如其所是地生起,并在那不被一个小小的来定义的巨大自由中生起。它们与灵性同生,也即是灵性,在我所是的那个开敞清空之中生起;它们并不是要被一个小我看见而遭到感知上的折磨。

在我收缩的模式中,我是在里面的那个,在我这张脸的这边,而世界则在外面,处在客观的一侧。我似乎就存在于自己这边,因而我的整个人生都在试图保全面子,试图保住这个自我收缩,保住这种抓取和渴求的感觉。这感觉让我与外在世界隔离,我会对这个世界或爱或厌、或趋或避、或抓取或抵触、或爱或恨。内和外永远在对抗,充满各种希望或恐惧:这就是保全面子的戏码。

我们常说丢面子如同被社死,这话真地很深切:我们并不想丢脸!我们不想死!我们不想终结这种分离自我的感受!可失去面子的那种原初恐惧,正是我们最深层痛苦的根源,因为保全面子、保住对身心的认同,正是痛苦的机制造成者,是把宇宙(Kosmos)撕裂成内在对外在的暴烈裂痕,也就是我体验到的痛苦。

然而,当我安住于那简单、清晰、无处不在的觉知之中时,我就丢掉了所谓面子。内与外彻底消失。就像这样发生的:

当我放下所有客体——‘我不是这个,也不是那个’——并安住在那个纯粹、简单的见证者中时,一切客体都轻松地进入我的视觉场,一切客体都生起于那见证者的空间之中。我只是一个开敞或清空,所有事物都在其中生起。我注意到所有事物都在我之中生起,在我这个开敞或清空之中。我就是那片广阔的开阔,云朵在这个开阔中飘,太阳在这开阔中照耀,天空存在于这开阔之中;天空就在我之内。我能品尝天空,它比我的皮肤更接近我。云朵就在我之内;我从内部看见它们。当所有事物都在我之中生起时,我就只是所有事物。宇宙是一味,而我就是那个

因此,当我安住为见证者时,一切都在我之中生起,到了那样的程度,我就是一切。没有主与客这种二元,因为我并不是去看云朵,而是我就是云朵。没有主与客之分,因为我并不是感受到凉风,而是我就是那凉风。没有主与客之分,因为我并不是听见雷声,我就是那雷声。

我不再站在我这边的脸上看外面的世界;我就是世界本身。我不在这里,我丢掉了所谓的面子’——并发现了我的本来面目(Original Face),也就是整个宇宙本身。鸟儿在唱,而我就是那声音;太阳升起,而我就是那太阳;月亮发光,而我就是那月亮,就在这简单、无所不在的觉知当中。

当我安住于那简单、清晰、无所不在的觉知时,每一个客体都有它自己的主体性。每一个事件都自我看见,因为我现在就是那个事件本身,看见自己。我并没有在看彩虹;我是那道彩虹,它在看见自己。我没有盯着那棵树;我是那棵树,它在看见自己。整个显现的世界仍然照常生起,只是所有主、客都消失了。山依旧是那座山,但它已不再是被谁观看的客体,我也不再是某个分离的主体盯着它。我与那座山同生于那简单、无所不在的觉知里,在那个清空之中我们同得自在,在那不二的空间里我们皆获解脱,在那个无所不在的觉知之开敞中我们都开悟。那个开敞不再被称作一个主体客体的强加之暴力所分割,不再有在里面在外面外界之类的对立。我彻底丢掉了所谓面子,并在这简单、无所不在的觉知之中发现了上帝。

当你是所有客体的见证者,而所有客体都在你之中生起,那么你就处于彻底的自由之中,处于那无边广阔的空间。在这个简单的一味之中,风并非吹向你,而是吹在你之内;太阳并非照耀着你,而是从你本有的存在深处放射出来。下雨时你就是那场雨;它在你心里哭泣。你能一口喝下整个太平洋,你能将整个宇宙一口吞下。超新星在你心中诞生又凋亡,星系在你以为是头的地方无休止地旋转,所有这一切都和晴朗黎明时知更鸟的歌唱一样简单。

原文:

“And thus, resting in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, I notice that there is no inside and no outside. There is no subject and no object. Things and events are still fully present and clearly arising—the clouds float by, the birds still sing, the cool breeze still blows—but there is no separate self recoiling from them. Events simply arise as they are, without the constant and agitated reference to a contracted self or subject. Events arise as they are, and they arise in the great freedom of not being defined by a little I looking at them. They arise with Spirit, as Spirit, in the opening or clearing that I am; they do not arise to be seen and perceptually tortured by an ego.

In my contracted mode, I am “in here,” on this side of my face, looking at the world “out there,” on the “objective” side. I exist on this side of my face, and my entire life is an attempt to save face, to save this self-contraction, to save this sensation of grasping and seeking, a sensation that sets me apart from the world out there, a world I will then desire or loathe, move toward or recoil from, grasp or avoid, love or hate. The inside and the outside are in perpetual struggle, all varieties of hope or fear: the drama of saving face.

We say, “To lose face is to die of embarrassment,” and that is deeply true: we do not want to lose face! We do not want to die! We do not want, to cease the sensation of the separate-self! But that primal fear of losing face is actually the root of our deepest agony, because saving face—saving an identity with the bodymind—is the very mechanism of suffering, the very mechanism of tearing the Kosmos into an inside versus an outside, a brutal fracture that I experience as pain.

But when I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, I lose face. Inside and outside completely disappear. It happens just like this:

As I drop all objects–I am not this, not that–and I rest in the pure and simple Witness, all objects arise easily in my visual field, all objects arise in the space of the Witness. I am simply an opening or clearing in which all things arise. I notice that all things arise in me, arise in this opening or clearing that I am. The clouds are floating by in this vast opening that I am. The sun is shining in this vast opening that I am. The sky exists in this vast opening that I am; the sky is in me. I can taste the sky, it’s closer to me than my own skin. The clouds are on the inside of me; I am seeing them from within. When all things arise in me, I am simply all things. The universe is One Taste, and I am That.

And so, when I rest as the Witness, all things arise in me, so much so that I am all things. There is no subject and object because I do not see the clouds, I am the clouds. There is no subject and object because I do not feel the cool breeze, I am the cool breeze. There is no subject and object because I do not hear the thunder clapping, I am the thunder clapping.

I am no longer on this side of my face looking at the world out there; I simply am the world. I am not in here. I have lost face—and discovered my Original Face, the Kosmos itself. The bird sings, and I am that. The sun rises, and I am that. The moon shines, and I am that, in simple, ever-present awareness.

When I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, every object is its own subject. Every event “sees itself,” as it were, because I am now that event seeing itself. I am not looking at the rainbow; I am the rainbow, which sees itself. I am not staring at the tree; I am the tree, which sees itself. The entire manifest world continues to arise, just as it is, except that all subjects and all objects have disappeared. The mountain is still the mountain, but it is not an object being looked at, and I am not a separate subject staring at it. Both I and the mountain arise in simple, ever-present awareness, and we are both set free in that clearing, we are both liberated in that nondual space, we are both enlightened in the opening that is ever-present awareness. That opening is free of the set-apart violence called subject and object, in here versus out there, self against other, me against the world. I have utterly lost face, and discovered God, in simple ever-present awareness.

When you are the Witness of all objects, and all objects arise in you, then you stand in utter Freedom, in the vast expanse of all space. In this simple One Taste, the wind does not blow on you, it blows within you. The sun does not shine on you, it radiates from deep within your very being. When it rains, you are weeping. You can drink the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp, and swallow the universe whole. Supernovas are born and die all within your heart, and galaxies swirl endlessly where you thought your head was, and it is all as simple as the sound of a robin singing on a crystal clear dawn.”


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段落 10

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每当我认出或承认这一无所不在的见证者,我就破除了大探寻(the Great Search,瓦解了分离自我。而这正是终极、秘密、且不二的修行——无修的修行(the practice of no-practice),也就是一种简单的承认(acknowledgment)、忆念与认知,其基石自无始以来就建立在只有灵性(Spirit)的事实之上,一种并不难发现而是无法回避的灵性。

灵性是唯一从未离开的东西。它是你变动无常的经历中唯一不变的常量。从字面意义上说,你已认识它亿万年。你也最好能够认可它。如果你明白这一点,那就安住于那明白的那(颗心)本身,而那正是灵性。如果你不明白这一点,那就安住于那不明白的那(颗心)本身,而那也正是灵性。因为无始以来乃至永远,唯有灵性——它是此刻和每一刻的见证者,一直到世界的尽头。

原文:

“Every time I recognize or acknowledge the ever-present Witness, I have broken the Great Search and undone the separate self. And that is the ultimate, secret, nondual practice, the practice of no-practice, the practice of simple acknowledgment, the practice of remembrance and recognition, founded timelessly and eternally on the fact that there is only Spirit, a Spirit that is not hard to find but impossible to avoid.

Spirit is the only thing that has never been absent. It is the only constant in your changing experience. You have known this for a billion years, literally. And you might as well acknowledge it. ‘If you understand this, then rest in that which understands, and just that is Spirit. If you do not understand this, then rest in that which does not understand, and just that is Spirit.’ For eternally and eternally and always eternally, there is only Spirit, the Witness of this and every moment, even unto the ends of the world.”


段落 11

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灵性之眼(The Eye of Spirit

当我安住于简单、清晰、无所不在的觉知时,我安住于本具的灵性(intrinsic Spirit);实则我并不是在变成灵性,而只是认出我一直都是那个见证的灵性。当我安住于这简单、清晰、无所不在的觉知时,我就是世界的见证者。我就是灵性之眼(the eye of Spirit)。我看这个世界如同上帝所见。我看这个世界如同女神所见。我看世界如同灵性所见:每一个客体都是美的客体,每一个事物与事件都是大圆满(the Great Perfection的一个姿态,每个过程都是我自己永恒存在之池塘里的一片涟漪;如此之深以至于我不再独立地站在一旁成为一个分离的见证者,而发现见证者与其中生起的所有事物是一味。整部宇宙都在灵性之眼里生起,在灵性的“I”里生起,在我自己本具的觉知里生起——这个简单、无所不在的当下状态,而我正是它。

从那简单、无所不在的觉知之基出发,一个人的整个身心将得以复活。当你安住于本初觉知(primordial awareness)时,那觉知开始浸透你的存在,并从意识之流中孕育出一个新的使命。当大探寻被解开,自我分离被钉死在十字架上;当持续性的见证在你自身稳固下来;当无所不在的觉知成了你一直的根基——那么你的整个身心就会更新、复活,并围绕本具灵性重新组织,而你将如同从死中站起那样,在意识中迎来新的使命与责任。

你将不再作为一个分离自我而存在(所有自我收缩对身心造成的伤害也随之消解),而是作为灵性的载体而存在(此时身心得以发挥其至高的潜能,不再被自我收缩的残酷所扭曲与折磨)。从那无所不在的觉知之基,你会展现如诸佛菩萨般的开悟品质——‘其有情(sattva)乃无所不在之觉知(bodhi

用什么佛教名号并不重要;重要的是它们所代表的开悟品质。要点只是:一旦你稳固地认出这简单、无所不在的觉知——一旦大探寻和自我收缩被剥夺了它们分裂性的生命力并还归于上帝,还归于这无所不在的觉知之基——那你就会从这无所不在的觉知之基中涌现,体现出它所拥有的种种至高可能性。你会成为那个灵性的载体。那个无所不在的根基将经由你、以你的方式活现于世,并显现为多种超凡的形态。

也许你会成为普贤王如来(Samantabhadra),其无所不在的觉知呈现为一种广大平等的觉知:你将了知那完全显现在你之中的、无所不在的觉知,也同样完全显现在所有有情众生之中,不论任何例外,都是同一个、单一无二、同心同体、同一之灵——一心、一识、一灵魂,在所有有情之中呼吸、跳动、脉动。你的面容本身也会提醒所有众生这一简单事实:唯有灵性,世上再无他物。没有什么比另一个更贴近上帝,因为只有上帝,只有女神。

也许你将化现为观世音菩萨(Avalokiteshvara),其无所不在的觉知呈现为温柔的悲悯。在那明亮清晰的无所不在觉知之中,一切有情都以本具的灵性(或纯粹的空性)之形式显现,因此所有众生皆被看作灵性之子与之女。你将别无选择,只能带着精微的奉献精神去践行这一悲悯,使你的微笑温暖那些受苦者的心灵,让他们能从你那里得到承诺——他们也同样能够在自身本初觉知的广袤中获得解脱——而你永不回避。

也许你将化现为般若波罗蜜多(Prajnaparamita),即佛之母,其无所不在的觉知呈现为广大辽阔的空间,即那无生的子宫(the womb of the great Unborn),整个宇宙都在其中。就最深的真理而言,正是从你这简单、清晰、无所不在的觉知之基出发,一切众生皆得以出生;也正是向你之简单、清晰、无所不在的觉知之基,一切众生将归返。安住于那闪耀清明的无所不在觉知之中,你目睹了无数世界的生起,以及一切诸佛、一切有情如是生起。它们也必将回到你这里。而你会微笑着接纳,在这恒久智慧的广大空间里接受一切,然后一切将再次开始,一次又一次地开始,永远地在你无所不在的状态之子宫中。

也许你会化现为文殊师利(Manjushri),其无所不在的觉知呈现为光明的智能。虽然所有众生都平等地是本具灵性,但有些众生并不容易承认这无所不在的本然如是(Suchness),因此从平等觉知之基,会生起明辨智慧(discriminating wisdom)之光辉。你会本能地看出何为真、何为伪,从而将澄澈带给你所触碰的一切。如果自我收缩不肯听从你柔和的声音,你那无所不在的觉知将以忿怒形显现——据说正是那可畏的阎曼德迦(Yamantaka),即能降伏阎魔(死亡之主)者。

也因此,你或许会化现为阎曼德迦(Yamantaka),是对无所不在之觉知的凶猛守护者,也是本具灵性的武士。正是那些假装阻挡无所不在觉知的事物,必须被迅速斩断,这就是无所不在觉知以多种忿怒形显现的原因。你会自然而然地在平等觉知之基上,曝光虚妄与肤浅,及那些不如无所不在的。现在到了使用宝剑(而非微笑)的时候,而那宝剑即是明辨智慧之剑,会毫不留情地斩尽一切障碍,将之归入至广无垠。

也许你会化现为药师佛(Bhaishajyaguru),其无所不在之觉知呈现为疗愈的光辉。借由无所不在觉知的明朗清晰,你会自然而然地提醒病患、悲伤者以及那些陷入痛苦的人:痛苦虽然真实,却并非他们之所是。只需简单地触碰或微笑,那紧缩的心灵便会在无限广阔的本初觉知中松弛,而疾病将在那释放的光芒中失去意义。你不会疲倦,因为无所不在的觉知在运作时毫不费力,因此你会不断地提醒所有众生,他们究竟是谁、究竟为何物,而他们的恐惧之另一端,正是无比的爱与毫不动摇的接纳——那就是无所不在觉知的镜心

也许你会化现为弥勒(Maitreya),其无所不在的觉知呈现为一种承诺:即便直到无尽的未来,无所不在的觉知也依然只是在那里。如同本初觉知的明亮清澈,你会立愿陪伴所有众生,纵然亿万年后,因为即便那时的未来也会在简单当下的觉知中生起,正是现在所见的这个觉知。

这些只不过是那无所不在觉知的一些可能性。用什么佛教名号并不重要;任何都可以。它们只是你自我复活的一些形态,是当大探寻之死后能激活你的那部分潜能,是当你用灵性之眼(Spirit’s ever-present eye)去看世界时,可能出现的几幅景象,也是此时此刻,当你以上帝的方式来看世界、从简单而无根基的无所不在觉知之基出发时可能看到的那一切。

原文:

“The Eye of Spirit

When I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, I am resting in intrinsic Spirit; I am in fact nothing other than witnessing Spirit itself. I do not become Spirit; I simply recognize the Spirit that I always already am. When I rest in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, I am the Witness of the World. I am the eye of Spirit. I see the world as God sees it. I see the world as the Goddess sees it. I see the world as Spirit sees it: every object an object of Beauty, every thing and event a gesture of the Great Perfection, every process a ripple in the pond of my own eternal Being, so much so that I do not stand apart as a separate witness, but find the witness is one taste with all that arises within it. The entire Kosmos arises in the eye of Spirit, in the I of Spirit, in my own intrinsic awareness, this simple ever-present state, and I am simply that.

From the ground of simple, ever-present awareness, one’s entire bodymind will resurrect. When you rest in primordial awareness, that awareness begins to saturate your being, and from the stream of consciousness a new destiny is resurrected. When the Great Search is undone, and the separate-self sense has been crucified; when the continuity of witnessing has stabilized in your own case; when ever-present awareness is your constant ground—then your entire bodymind will regenerate, resurrect, and reorganize itself around intrinsic Spirit, and you will arise, as from the dead, to a new destiny and a new duty in consciousness.

You will cease to exist as separate self (with all the damage that does to the bodymind), and you will exist instead as vehicle of Spirit (with the bodymind now free to function in its highest potential, undistorted and untortured by the brutalities of the self-contraction). From the ground of ever-present awareness, you will arise embodying any of the enlightened qualities of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas—”one whose being (sattva) is ever-present awareness (bodhi).”

The Buddhist names are not important; the enlightened qualities they represent are. The point is simply that, once you have stably recognized simple, ever-present awareness-once the Great Search and the self-contraction have been robbed of separative life and returned to God, returned to their ground in ever-present awareness-then you will arise, from the ground of ever-present awareness, and you will embody any of the highest possibilities of that ground. You will be vehicle of the Spirit that you are. That ever-present ground will live through you, as you, in a variety of superordinary forms.

Perhaps you will arise as Samantabhadra, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a vast equality consciousness: you will realize that the ever-present awareness that is fully present in you is the same awareness that is fully present in all sentient beings without exception, one and the same, single and only—one heart, one mind, one soul that breathes and beats and pulses through all sentient beings as such—and your very countenance will remind all beings of that simple fact, remind them that there is only Spirit, remind them that nothing is closer to God than anything else, for there is only God, there is only Goddess.

Perhaps you will arise as Avalokiteshvara, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of gentle compassion. In the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, all sentient beings arise as equal forms of intrinsic Spirit or pure Emptiness, and thus all beings are treated as the sons and daughters of the Spirit that they are. You will have no choice but to live this compassion with a delicate dedication, so that your very smile will warm the hearts of those who suffer, and they will look to you for promise that they, too, can be liberated into the vast expanse of their own primordial awareness, and you will never turn away.

Perhaps you will arise as Prajnaparamita, the mother of the Buddha whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a vast spaciousness, the womb of the great Unborn, in which the entire Kosmos exists. For deepest truth, it is exactly from the ground of your own simple, clear, ever-present awareness that all beings are born; and it is to the ground of your simple, clear, ever-present awareness that all beings will return. Resting in the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, you watch the worlds arise, and all the Buddhas arise, and all sentient beings as such arise. And to you they will all return. And you will smile, and receive, in this vast expanse of everlasting wisdom, and it will all begin again, and yet again, and always yet again, in the womb of your ever-present state.

Perhaps you will arise as Manjushri, whose ever-present awareness, takes the form of luminous intelligence. Although all beings are equally intrinsic Spirit, some beings do not easily acknowledge this ever-present Suchness, and thus discriminating wisdom will brilliantly arise from the ground of equality consciousness. You will instinctively see what is true and what is false, and thus you will bring clarity to everything you touch. And if the self-contraction does not listen to your gentler voice, your ever-present awareness will manifest in its wrathful form, which is said to be none other than the dreaded Yamantaka, Subduer of the Lord of Death.

And so perhaps you will arise as Yamantaka, fierce protector of ever-present awareness and samurai warrior of intrinsic Spirit. Precisely those items that pretend to block ever-present awareness must be quickly cut through, which is why ever-present awareness arises in its many wrathful forms. You will simply be moved, from the ground of equality consciousness, to expose the false and the shallow and the less-than-ever-present. It is time for the sword, not the smile, but always the sword of discriminating wisdom, which ruthlessly cuts all obstacles in the ground of the all-encompassing.

Perhaps you will arise as Bhaishajyaguru, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a healing radiance. From the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, you will be moved to remind the sick and the sad and those in pain that although the pain is real, it is not what they are. With a simple touch or smile, contracted souls will relax into the infinite vast expanse of intrinsic awareness, and disease will lose all meaning in the radiance of that release. And you will never tire, for ever-present awareness is effortless in its functioning, and so you will constantly remind all beings of who and what they really are, on the other side of fear, in the radical love and unflinching acceptance that is the mirror-mind of ever-present awareness.

Perhaps you will arise as Maitreya, whose ever-present awareness takes the form of a promise that, even into the endless future, ever-present awareness will still be simply present. From the brilliant clarity of primordial awareness, you will vow to be with all beings, even unto an eternity of futures, because even those futures will arise in simple present awareness, the same present awareness that now sees just exactly this.

Those are simply a few of the potentials of ever-present awareness. The Buddhist names don’t matter; any will do. They are simply a few of the forms of your own resurrection. They are a few of the possibilities that might animate you after the death of the Great Search. They are a few of the ways the world looks to the ever-present eye of Spirit, the ever-present I of Spirit. They are what you see, right now, when you see the world as God sees it, from the groundless ground of simple ever-present awareness.


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段落 11(续)

简体中文翻译:

而一切都被解开(And It Is All Undone

也许你会以这些无所不在觉知的形态之一,或全部形式出现。但这样也无关紧要。当你安住于那无所不在觉知的璀璨明晰中时,你并不是佛或菩萨,你不是这个或那个,也不存在于这里或那里。当你安住于简单、无所不在的觉知时,你就是那伟大的无生(the great Unborn),从一切特质中解脱。能觉知色彩,但你本身无色;能觉知时间,但你本身无时间;能觉知形相,但你本身无形。在本初空寂(primordial Emptiness)的广阔中,你永远对这个世界保持不可见性。

只是说,作为一个具象化的存有(embodied being),你也会生起于形相的世界之中,这个世界是你的自我显现。而开悟心(the enlightened mind)所具有的内在潜能(也就是你那无所不在觉知的内在潜能),例如平等性、明辨智慧、如镜智、地基识以及成就一切智等多种特质,会与你这个个体身心的原生秉性和具体禀赋相结合。因此,当那个分离自我在它自身的无所不在觉知之广袤中死去之后,你就会在所有或部分开悟特质的激励下出现。其时,你所受驱动的并非大探寻(Great Search),而是这些潜能所体现的大悲心(the Great Compassion),其中有些表现温和,有些表现猛烈,但都只不过是你那无所不在状态的一些可能性。

于是,当你安住于简单、清晰、无所不在的觉知时,你将带着自己最高潜能的德行与品质而现身——也许是悲悯,也许是明辨智慧,也许是认知洞见,也许是疗愈的临在,也许是忿怒的提醒,也许是艺术的才华,也可能是运动的天赋,也或许是杰出的教育家,或者仅仅是某种极其简单的样式,说不定只是在邻里间做一位最出色的花匠。(换句话说,任何发展之流,都可能在其本初状态中自然展现。)当身心从自我收缩的残酷压迫下释放出来后,它自然会回归自己的最高境地,彰显开悟心之强大潜能,以及那简单、无所不在的觉知之伟大潜能。

因此,当你安住于那简单、无所不在的觉知时,你就是那伟大的无生;可当你出生”——也就是当你从这无所不在觉知中生起时——你就会表现出某些特质,这些特质内蕴于本具的灵性(intrinsic Spirit),并被你自身身心特定禀赋所染。

无论你的复活最终体现为何种形态,你都将不再受大探寻的驱动,而是由你自身的大责任(the Great Duty)、你无限的正法(Dharma)所驱动,这正是你最高潜能的展露。因你之故,世界会开始改变。而你在那大责任中毫不畏缩,绝不背弃,在灵性的简单、无所不在的觉知的陪伴下,生生世世都不会离开,因为从现在到永远、并一直到无尽的永远,都只有灵性,只有内在觉知,只有对正是此的简单觉知,不再多也无可少。

但整个通往所是(what is的旅途,其实从无始的开始就已展开:我们从简单地认出那个永远都已如此的事实开始。(如果你明白了这一点,那么安住于那个了知本身,而那正是灵性。如果你不明白这一点,那么安住于那个不明白本身,而那也正是灵性。)我们让对无所不在觉知的认出——在白日与夜晚之间,自然而缓慢、毫不着力地生起。这个简单、无所不在的觉知并非难以获取,而是根本无法避免,我们只需注意到它即可。

我们在白天和黑夜中,温柔地、不定时地、自发地去做这件事。很快,这认出就会以它自身的力量,在清醒、做梦和熟睡三种状态下同步成长,超越那些假装掩盖其本性的障碍,直到这无所不在且简单的觉知能以无间断的连续性贯穿所有状态、所有时空。那一刻,时空将全然丧失其意义,暴露出它们本是何物——你独自当下所是的明耀空寂之面纱——而你会沉醉于那美,死于那真,化入那善,从此再无人在那里见证恐惧,也无人在乎眼泪,也无人去制造不安,也无人再否认神圣。唯独只有它自存,也唯独一直如此,并将唯独一直如此。

而在某个寒冷清透的夜晚,月光会洒向那沉寂等待的大地,仅仅是为了提醒遗留在人间的众生,这一切只是一场游戏。月光在他们沉睡的心中点燃了梦境,一种觉醒的渴望在那不安的夜色深处升起,你会再次被牵引,去回应那些最深切的祈愿,你会发现自己就在那里,在此刻,疑惑着这一切的真正含义——直到那一丝认出的灵光扫过你的面庞,一切都被化解。然后你就会化为那轮月亮,于自己心中唱出那些梦;你也将化为大地,赞颂所有被祝福的众生;你将化为太阳,其光芒无限远大又显得过于显而易见;在那本初清净的一味中,没有开始没有结束,没有入口没有出口,没有生也没有死,一切都以极端的方式显现;而遥远处传来瀑布歌唱的声音,那是此时深夜里仅余的讲述,沐浴在那幽冷的月光之下,正是如此,一次又一次地,如是而已。

当禅宗大师法常(Fa-ch’ang)临终时,屋顶上一只松鼠发出了尖叫。就是这样,他说,再无其他。

原文:

“And It Is All Undone

Perhaps you will arise as any or all of those forms of ever-present awareness. But then, it doesn’t really matter. When you rest in the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, you are not Buddha or Bodhisattva, you are not this or that, you are not here or there. When you rest in simple, ever-present awareness, you are the great Unborn, free, of all qualities whatsoever. Aware of color, you are colorless. Aware of time, you are timeless. Aware of form, you are formless. In the vast expanse of primordial Emptiness, you are forever invisible to this world.

It is simply that, as embodied being, you also arise in the world of form that is your own manifestation. And the intrinsic potentials of the enlightened mind (the intrinsic potentials of your ever-present awareness)—such as equanimity, discriminating wisdom, mirrorlike wisdom, ground consciousness, and all-accomplishing awareness—various of these potentials combine with the native dispositions and particular talents of your own individual bodymind. And thus, when the separate self dies into the vast expanse of its own ever-present awareness, you will arise animated by any or all of those various enlightened potentials. You are then motivated, not by the Great Search, but by the Great Compassion of these potentials, some of which are gentle, some of which are truly wrathful, but all of which are simply the possibilities of your own ever-present state.

And thus, resting in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, you will arise with the qualities and’ virtues of your own highest potentials—perhaps compassion, perhaps discriminating wisdom, perhaps cognitive insight, perhaps healing presence, perhaps wrathful reminder, perhaps artistic accomplishment, perhaps athletic skill, perhaps great educator, or perhaps something utterly simple, maybe being the best flower gardener on the block. (In other words, any of the developmental lines released into their own primordial state.) When the bodymind is released from the brutalities inflicted by the self-contraction, it naturally gravitates to its own highest estate, manifested in the great potentials of the enlightened mind, the great potentials of simple, ever-present awareness.

Thus, as you rest in simple, ever-present awareness, you are the great Unborn; but as you are born—as you arise from ever-present awareness—you will manifest certain qualities, qualities inherent in intrinsic Spirit, and qualities colored by the dispositions of your own bodymind and its particular talents.

And whatever the form of your own resurrection, you will arise driven not by the Great Search, but by your own Great Duty, your limitless Dharma, the manifestation of your own highest potentials, and the world will begin to change, because of you. And you will never flinch, and you will never fail in that great Duty, and you will never turn away, because simple, ever-present awareness will be with you now and forever, even unto the ends of the worlds, because now and forever and endlessly forever, there is only Spirit, only intrinsic awareness, only the simple awareness of just this, and nothing more.

But that entire journey to what is begins at the beginningless beginning: we begin by simply recognizing that which is always already the case. (“If you understand this, then rest in that which understands, and just that is exactly Spirit. If you do not understand this, then rest in that which does not understand, and just that is exactly Spirit.”) We allow this recognition of ever-present awareness to arise—gently, randomly, spontaneously, through the day and into the night. This simple, ever-present awareness is not hard to attain but impossible to avoid, and we simply notice that.

We do this gently, randomly, and spontaneously, through the day and into the night. Soon enough, through all three states of waking, dreaming, and sleeping, this recognition will grow of its own accord and by its own intrinsic power, outshining the obstacles that pretend to hide its nature, until this simple, ever-present awareness announces itself in an unbroken continuity through all changes of state, through all changes of space and time, whereupon space and time lose all meaning whatsoever, exposed for what they are, the shining veils of the radiant Emptiness that you alone now are—and you will swoon into that Beauty, and die into that Truth, and dissolve into that Goodness, and there will be no one left to testify to terror, no one left to take tears seriously, no one left to engineer unease, no one left to deny the Divine, which only alone is, and only alone ever was, and only alone will ever be.

And somewhere on a cold crystal night the moon will shine on a silently waiting Earth, just to remind those left behind that it is all a game. The lunar light will set dreams afire in their sleeping hearts, and a yearning to awaken will stir in the depths of that restless night, and you will be pulled, yet again, to respond to those most plaintive prayers, and you will find yourself right here, right now, wondering what it all really means—until that flash of recognition runs across your face and it is all undone. You then will arise as the moon itself, and sing those dreams in your very own heart; and you will arise as the Earth itself, and glorify all of its blessed inhabitants; and you will arise as the Sun itself, radiant to infinity and much too obvious to see; and in that One Taste of primordial purity, with no beginning and no end, with no entrance and no exit, with no birth and no death, it all comes radically to be; and the sound of a singing waterfall, somewhere in the distance, is all that is left to tell this tale, late on that crystal cold night, bathed so beautifully in that lunar light, just so, and again, just so.

When the great Zen master Fa-ch’ang was dying, a squirrel screeched out on the roof. “It’s just this,” he said, “and nothing more.”


(本段 Ken Wilber 原文译毕,紧接着是后文中关于 “Labels: Advaita, I AMness, Ken Wilber…” 一系列内容。)

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段落 13

简体中文翻译:

差别:如实见(Thusness)第四阶段与第五阶段(实质性的不二对与无我;Substantial Non-duality vs Anatta
Soh

也可参见:

  • 如实见第一阶段与第二阶段及其他阶段的区别
  • 区分我是/本我(I AM一心(One Mind无心(No Mind无我(Anatta
  • 无心与无我:专注于洞见

原文:

Difference Between Thusness Stage 4 and 5 (Substantial Non-duality vs Anatta)
Soh
Also see: Difference Between Thusness Stage 1 and 2 and other Stages

Differentiating I AM, One Mind, No Mind and Anatta

No Mind and Anatta, Focusing on Insight


段落 14

简体中文翻译:

会话开始时间:2009314日,星期六

(11:50 PM) AEN: “‘Nevertheless it is a very key phase’
你的意思是非常重要的关键阶段吗?
(11:51 PM) Thusness: “是的。
(11:52 PM) AEN: “明白……不过除了稳定不二外,第四阶段与第五阶段还有什么区别吗?
(11:54 PM) Thusness: “你需要自己面对这个问题才知道,光靠言语是不行的。
因为你还没有真正体验过无分non-division),因此你不知道那种无分是什么,也不知道无造作者性(non-doership以及在体验中没有施为者/主体(no agent是什么,这就很难知道究竟是什么在阻碍你体验自发性。
(11:56 PM) AEN: “哦,我明白了……”
(11:58 PM) Thusness: “‘思考者/思想合一,或听者/声音合一,然后:声音即觉知,没有个听者——这之间是有区别的。第四阶段更像是听者/声音合一。(Soh: 声音即觉知,没有个听者才是第五阶段)

这也是为什么我说,一个念头接着另一个念头,就像你,你说你感受到自己像一个开放的虚空,然后你听到声音,声音和觉知似乎是一体的;二者不可分辨,但你还无法有那种只有声音的体验——在逻辑上你知道,可是在经验中还没有。只有当有一天那个体验成熟时……”

原文:Session Start: Saturday, March 14, 2009

(11:50 PM) AEN: 'Nevertheless it is a very key phase'
u mean very important key phase?
(11:51 PM) Thusness: yeah
(11:52 PM) AEN: icic..
btw wats the difference between stage 4 and 5 other than stabilizing non dual
(11:54 PM) Thusness: u need to face the problem to know it is not in words
(11:55 PM) Thusness: because u have not experienced non-division
(11:55 PM) Thusness: so u do not know what is non divison
(11:55 PM) Thusness: what is no-doership and what is no agent in experience
(11:56 PM) Thusness: and it is difficult to know what is that 'marks' that prevent the experience of spontaneity

(11:58 PM) Thusness: there is a difference seeing thinker/thoughts as one
(11:58 PM) Thusness: and hearer/sound as one
then sound is awareness, no hearer
(11:58 PM) Thusness: stage 4 is more like hearer/sound as one
(11:59 PM) Thusness: that is why i said one thought, then another thought
just like u, u said u feel like an open space
(11:59 PM) Thusness: then u hear sound
sound and awareness seem to be one
(12:00 AM) Thusness: indistinguishable but u cannot have that experience that there is only sound
only in logic u have but not in experience
(12:00 AM) Thusness: until one day u mature that experience

简体中文翻译:

(第1段)
12:01 AM) AEN: icic..
刚才我看了 truthz 的博客列表里出现的一个网站
我的意思是,不是 truthz 的博客,而是他博客里出现的链接

原文:
(12:01 AM) AEN: icic..
just now i saw a website from truthz's blog lists
i mean not truthz's blog but the blog link appeared in his


简体中文翻译:

(第2段)
12:02 AM) AEN: http://buddhaspace.blogspot.com/
正确的知见——八正道中第一支——源于觉察色、声、香、味、触境之无常、苦、与无我之本质。当所有这些现象都被了知为非我时,心会转向内,寻找它可能会执取为的东西。但如果它以绝对清晰的方式看,就会发现空性。在感官、感受、念头和意识的背后,是清晰、无尽的空间。我有时称之为‘Buddha Space(佛虚空)

原文:
(12:02 AM) AEN: http://buddhaspace.blogspot.com/
Correct Understanding - the first of the eight aspects of the Noble Eightfold Path - arises out of noticing the impermanent, unsatisfactory, and impersonal nature of sights, sounds, smells, tastes, and tactile objects. When all these phenomena are realized to be not self, the mind will turn inwards, seeking out what it might cling to as ‘me’. But if it looks with absolute clarity it will find emptiness. Behind sensations, feelings, thoughts, and consciousness, there lies clear, endless space. I sometimes call it ‘Buddha Space’.


简体中文翻译:

(第3段)
12:05 AM) Thusness: 是啊
那是错误的知见。

原文:
(12:05 AM) Thusness: yeah
that is wrong view.


简体中文翻译:

(第4段)
12:05 AM) AEN: oic..

原文:
(12:05 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第5段)
12:06 AM) Thusness: 在我们的洞见成熟之前,这一点是很难真正看清的。
即使在第四阶段,这也会很困难,但它已经是迈向无我(anatta)的第一步了。

原文:
(12:06 AM) Thusness: it is very difficult to see the truth of this until our insight matures
even at stage 4, it can be difficult but it is already the first steps towards anatta


简体中文翻译:

(第6段)
12:06 AM) AEN: 难以做什么?
看见无我?

原文:
(12:06 AM) AEN: difficult to what
see anatta?


简体中文翻译:

(第7段)
12:06 AM) Thusness: 是的。

原文:
(12:06 AM) Thusness: yeah


简体中文翻译:

(第8段)
12:06 AM) AEN: 明白。

原文:
(12:06 AM) AEN: oic


简体中文翻译:

(第9段)
12:07 AM) Thusness: 你必须看见 施为者/主体(agent,不只是没有分裂而已。

原文:
(12:07 AM) Thusness: u must see the no agent
not only no division


简体中文翻译:

(第10段)
12:07 AM) Thusness: 就像我之前跟你说的,有 3 个阶段。

原文:
(12:07 AM) Thusness: like i told u there are 3 stages
(指:对非二元三个层次的理解

本文: http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com.au/2009/01/three-levels-of-understanding-of-non.html

26-01-2009


真如/过路人对我的答复:


“我所说的不太正确。思想在,但没有思考者。声音在,但没有听者。觉性不离念头和现象。


真如:是的,但所说的仍然可以有以下的情况:


1。有个觉体在反射念头和现象。(我是”)


体验到明亮如镜的清晰,但被曲解了。有二元对立和自性(“固有的存在”/“实体”)的知见。


2。镜子需要念头和现象来见到自己。


非二元但有自性(“固有的存在”/“实体”)的知见。非二元之洞见的开始。


3。念头和现象本来就是镜子(这里的镜子被视为一个整体)。


非二元和非自性(“固有的存在”/“实体”)的洞见。

在第3根本不可能在任何的生起中画出任何细微的“线条”;无论任何似乎在来去(之物)都是觉性的本身。除此之外没有任何其他的觉性。我们应该用无我的教义、缘起和性空来看待觉性的“色/妙有”。

The Three Levels of "Understanding" of Non-dual Awareness

Soh

Thusness/Passerby's reply to me (slightly edited based on references to another post):

Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

What I said here, is not really correct. Thought is, but no thinker. Sound is, but no hearer. Awareness cannot be separated from thoughts and manifestation.

Yes but what said can still have the following scenario:

1. There is an Awareness reflecting thoughts and manifestation. ("I AM")

Mirror bright is experienced but distorted. Dualistic and Inherent seeing.

2. Thoughts and manifestation are required for the mirror to see itself.

Non-Dualistic but Inherent seeing. Beginning of non-dual insight.

3. Thoughts and manifestation have always been the mirror (The mirror here is seen as a whole)

Non-Dualistic and non-inherent insight.

In 3 not even a quantum line can be drawn from whatever arises; whatever that appears to come and goes is the Awareness itself. There is no Awareness other than that. We should use the teachings of Anatta (no-self), DO (dependent origination) and Emptiness to see the 'forms' of awareness.

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简体中文翻译:

(第11段)
12:08 AM) Thusness: 后面会进入纯粹的无二光明(non-dual luminosity)。

原文:
(12:08 AM) Thusness: later into just this non-dual luminosity


简体中文翻译:

(第12段)
12:09 AM) Thusness: 如果你去问那些主张无二的人,他们不会意识到自己其实就是那个生起的念头,
12:09 AM) Thusness: 就像 Jeff Foster 所说的那样。

原文:
(12:09 AM) Thusness: if u ask non-dualists, they will not realise that they are an arising thought
(12:09 AM) Thusness: like what jeff foster said


简体中文翻译:

(第13段)
12:09 AM) AEN: 噢,明白……

原文:
(12:09 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第14段)
12:10 AM) Thusness: 他们会感觉非常终极(ultimate

原文:
(12:10 AM) Thusness: they will feel damn ultimate


简体中文翻译:

(第15段)
12:10 AM) AEN: 我知道……比如梵(Brahman)那样。

原文:
(12:10 AM) AEN: ic..
like brahman


简体中文翻译:

(第16段)
12:11 AM) Thusness: 是啊,所以他们看见的是“()我(self,而不是真正的事件、过程、现象

原文:
(12:11 AM) Thusness: yes so they see self
not events, process phenomena


简体中文翻译:

(第17段)
12:12 AM) AEN: 明白……

原文:
(12:12 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第18段)
12:12 AM) Thusness: 他们所见的是Brahman),而非空性sunyata)。
12:12 AM) Thusness: 虽然体验非常相似,但他们的洞见并没有成熟到无我。

原文:
(12:12 AM) Thusness: they see brahman, not sunyata
(12:12 AM) Thusness: even the experiences are very similar
the insight has not matured into anatta


简体中文翻译:

(第19段)
12:13 AM) Thusness: 就像真言宗(shingon)那样的修行,其体验可以说是摩诃(maha式的,
不过那并不是我所说的真正摩诃式体验;
那是一种一体oneness)的体验,
但这只是个阶段而已。

原文:
(12:13 AM) Thusness: like shingon sort of practice, the experience can be said to be maha like
but it is not the maha sort of experience i am talking about
(12:13 AM) Thusness: it is oneness sort of experience
but it is a stage


简体中文翻译:

(第20段)
12:14 AM) Thusness: 我所说的是,一体之境其实一直都在。
12:14 AM) Thusness: 当一个人证悟到临在(presence)向来都是缘起互涉(interconnectedness)的显现与完全体现时,
12:15 AM) Thusness: 无需任何努力,就能自然显现那摩诃的体验。

原文:
(12:14 AM) Thusness: what i said is oneness is always there
(12:14 AM) Thusness: when one realises that presence is always a manifestation and full embodiment of interconnectedness
(12:15 AM) Thusness: no effort needs to be done to induce a maha experience


简体中文翻译:

(第21段)
12:23 AM) Thusness: 要以摩诃作为根本,还需要一些条件。
12:23 AM) Thusness: 1)对无二体验已经成熟;
2)要有对缘起DO, dependent origination)的深入认识;

原文:
(12:23 AM) Thusness: there are few conditions to experience maha as a ground
(12:23 AM) Thusness: 1. mature in non-dual experience
2. DO (dependent origination)


简体中文翻译:

(第22段)
12:24 AM) Thusness: 3)还要亲身体验并理解相互关联性就是整个宇宙本身,
这样的话,甚至无二本身都会变得无关紧要。

原文:
(12:24 AM) Thusness: 3. experience and understand that 'interconnectedness' is the universe itself
then 'self' and even non dual becomes quite irrelevant


简体中文翻译:

(第23段)
12:25 AM) Thusness: 事实上,现在对我而言,临在(presence并不是被理解成无二
12:26 AM) Thusness: 而是被视为缘起DO)。
12:26 AM) Thusness: 在那里,无二已经包含进去了。

原文:
(12:25 AM) Thusness: in fact now presence is not understand as non-dual to me.
(12:26 AM) Thusness: but as DO
(12:26 AM) Thusness: where non-dual is already included


简体中文翻译:

(省略号处为原文中已有的“.......”

(接下来是 2008 年的对话内容。)

原文:
.......

2008:


简体中文翻译:

(第24段)
11:46 PM) Thusness: ·威尔伯(Ken Wilber)有没有谈到无我(anatta)?

原文:
(11:46 PM) Thusness: Does ken (Ken Wilber) talk about anatta


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简体中文翻译:

(第25段)
11:46 PM) AEN: 没有。

原文:
(11:46 PM) AEN: no


简体中文翻译:

(第26段)
11:47 PM) Thusness: 那他讨论的是无二论(Advaita那一类的理解吗?

原文:
(11:47 PM) Thusness: Or Advaita sort of understanding


简体中文翻译:

(第27段)
11:47 PM) AEN: 对,属不二论(advaita)。(肯·威尔伯处在John Tan/真如的见阶段四)

原文:
(11:47 PM) AEN: advaita (Ken Wilber is at Thusness Stage 4)


简体中文翻译:

(第28段)
11:47 PM) Thusness: 那你为什么还一直问我?
11:47 PM) Thusness: 什么是无我?

原文:
(11:47 PM) Thusness: Then y u kept asking me.
(11:47 PM) Thusness: What is anatta?


简体中文翻译:

(第29段)
11:48 PM) AEN: 是啊,可是我的意思是,无二体验并不是像第二阶段那种一闪而过的体验,而是一种无时不在的实相吗?
11:48 PM) AEN: 无我指的是无 施为者/主体(agent)以及缘起(dependent origination)吗?

原文:
(11:48 PM) AEN: ya but wat i mean is nondual experience is not as in stage 2 type of passing experience, but as everpresent reality?
(11:48 PM) AEN: anatta is no agent and dependent origination?


简体中文翻译:

(第30段)
11:48 PM) Thusness: 我不是和你说过,要把无二体验当作动词来看吗?(Soh: 参见我的文章《The Wind is Blowing, Blowing is the Wind》)

原文:
(11:48 PM) Thusness: Didn't I tell u understanding non-dual experience as verb. (Soh: refer to my article The Wind is Blowing, Blowing is the Wind)


简体中文翻译:

(第31段)
11:48 PM) AEN: 明白……

原文:
(11:48 PM) AEN: icic


简体中文翻译:

(第32段)
11:49 PM) Thusness: 不是一个独立、恒常不变的实体,对吗?

原文:
(11:49 PM) Thusness: Not an entity that is independent and unchanging?


简体中文翻译:

(第33段)
11:49 PM) AEN: 可是肯·威尔伯说,你就是那个,而没有’——只有这个自发生起、明亮闪耀的整体显现,每一刻都自发呈现。那个分离的小我在哪里也找不到。

原文:
(11:49 PM) AEN: but ken wilber say "You are that, and there is no you – just this entire luminous display spontaneously arising moment to moment. The separate self is nowhere to be found."


简体中文翻译:

(第34段)
11:50 PM) AEN: *哦,我懂了。

原文:
(11:50 PM) AEN: *oic


简体中文翻译:

(第35段)
11:50 PM) Thusness: 无二体验意味着对无分离非常清晰(就像如真如第四阶段)。

原文:
(11:50 PM) Thusness: Non-dual experience is there is clarity of no separation (As in Thusness Stage 4)


简体中文翻译:

(第36段)
11:51 PM) Thusness: 第二阶段是那种我溶解了,我与之合一的感觉,
11:51 PM) Thusness: 就像我化开、融入。

原文:
(11:51 PM) Thusness: Stage 2 is there is merging
(11:51 PM) Thusness: As if I dissolved and merge..


简体中文翻译:

(第37段)
11:51 PM) AEN: 明白……

原文:
(11:51 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第38段)
11:52 PM) Thusness: 那是有二元,有两个

原文:
(11:52 PM) Thusness: There r two, dual


简体中文翻译:

(第39段)
11:52 PM) AEN: 明白……

原文:
(11:52 PM) AEN: oic..


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简体中文翻译:

(第40段)
11:52 PM) Thusness: 无二指的是从未存在任何分离,没有裂隙。

原文:
(11:52 PM) Thusness: Non-dual is there never was a separation
(11:52 PM) Thusness: No split


简体中文翻译:

(第41段)
11:53 PM) AEN: 我明白……

原文:
(11:53 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第42段)
11:53 PM) Thusness: 并没有一个单独的

原文:
(11:53 PM) Thusness: There is no separate I.


简体中文翻译:

(第43段)
11:53 PM) AEN: 原来如此……

原文:
(11:53 PM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第44段)
11:53 PM) Thusness: 但是,这个觉知(awareness仍非常像是一个恒常、不变的东西。

原文:
(11:53 PM) Thusness: But this awareness is still very much constant, permanent and unchanging


简体中文翻译:

(第45段)
11:54 PM) AEN: 我知道了……

原文:
(11:54 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第46段)
11:54 PM) Thusness: “无我则更进一步,它会彻底理解到底什么是无二体验
11:55 PM) Thusness: 这是洞见上的一次飞跃。

原文:
(11:54 PM) Thusness: Anatta goes further and understand exactly what is non-dual experience
(11:55 PM) Thusness: This is a break-through in insight


简体中文翻译:

(第47段)
11:55 PM) AEN: 我懂了……
11:55 PM) AEN: 它是关于把它辨识为缘起吗?

原文:
(11:55 PM) AEN: oic..
(11:55 PM) AEN: its about discerning it as DO?


简体中文翻译:

(第48段)
11:55 PM) Thusness: “有思维,却没有施为者/主体(thinker)。

原文:
(11:55 PM) Thusness: There is thinking, no thinker


简体中文翻译:

(第49段)
11:55 PM) AEN: 我明白。

原文:
(11:55 PM) AEN: icic


简体中文翻译:

(第50段)
11:55 PM) Thusness: “有所见,却没有见者(seer)。

原文:
(11:55 PM) Thusness: Seen no seer


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简体中文翻译:

(第51段)
11:56 PM) Thusness: “声音,没有听者。

原文:
(11:56 PM) Thusness: Sound no hearer


简体中文翻译:

(第52段)
11:56 PM) AEN: “明白。

原文:
(11:56 PM) AEN: oic


简体中文翻译:

(第53段)
11:56 PM) Thusness: “理解成为/变化而没有存在者

原文:
(11:56 PM) Thusness: Understood becoming no being


简体中文翻译:

(第54段)
11:56 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(11:56 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第55段)
11:57 PM) Thusness: “要理解对象@’……”

原文:
(11:57 PM) Thusness: Understand that object@


简体中文翻译:

(第56段)
11:57 PM) AEN: “你是什么意思?

原文:
(11:57 PM) AEN: wat u mean


简体中文翻译:

(第57段)
11:59 PM) Thusness: “客体/主体,其实是把动词割裂成片段后所形成的结果。

原文:
(11:59 PM) Thusness: Object/subject is the result of compartmentizing 'verb'


简体中文翻译:

(第58段)
11:59 PM) Thusness: “行动(Action)。

原文:
(11:59 PM) Thusness: Action


简体中文翻译:

(第59段)
11:59 PM) AEN: “明白明白……”

原文:
(11:59 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第60段)
11:59 PM) Thusness: “思考变成了施为者/主体(thinker念头
这就是无我(anatta)。

原文:
(11:59 PM) Thusness: Thinking becomes thinker and thoughts
(11:59 PM) Thusness: That is anatta


简体中文翻译:

(第61段)
12:00 AM) Thusness: “它是一种直接的体验:没有思考的施为者/主体(thinker),只有念头。

原文:
(12:00 AM) Thusness: It is the direct experience that there is no thinker, just thoughts


简体中文翻译:

(第62段)
12:01 AM) Thusness: “在看见时,永远只有所见

原文:
(12:01 AM) Thusness: In seeing, always only the seen.


简体中文翻译:

(第63段)
12:01 AM) AEN: “这就是你所说的肯·威尔伯那种无二却似乎永久不变的意思吗?

你说:你并不是那个经历解脱的人;你是那个开阔的空性,在其中任何体验都来来去去,就像镜中的映像。而你就是镜子,那明镜心(mirror mind),并不是任何被体验到的映像。但你并不和那些映像分开,退在一旁看。你就是每一刻生起的所有事物。你能一口吞下整个宇宙,它是如此之小,你能在不动分毫之下品味天空。’”

原文:
(12:01 AM) AEN: is this wat u mean by nondual yet permanent (for ken wilber):

You are not the one who experiences liberation; you are the clearing, the opening, the emptiness, in which any experience comes and goes, like reflections on the mirror. And you are the mirror, the mirror mind, and not any experienced reflection. But you are not apart from the reflections, standing back and watching. You are everything that is arising moment to moment. You can swallow the whole cosmos in one gulp, it is so small, and you can taste the sky without moving an inch.


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简体中文翻译:

(第64段)
12:01 AM) AEN: “明白明白……”

原文:
(12:01 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第65段)
12:03 AM) Thusness: “是的,这就是我所说的知见与无二体验之间的错位(desync
当洞见真正生起,就不会有这种错位。

原文:
(12:03 AM) Thusness: Yes what I called desync of view and non-dual experience
(12:04 AM) Thusness: When insight arises, there is no desync


简体中文翻译:

(第66段)
12:04 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:04 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第67段)
12:05 AM) Thusness: “无二体验在这种情形下就会被清晰地理解,因为从来就没有一个
一直只有显现。

原文:
(12:05 AM) Thusness: Non-dual experience is clearly understood because there never was one.
(12:05 AM) Thusness: It is always only manifestation


简体中文翻译:

(第68段)
12:06 AM) AEN: “从来没有什么?

原文:
(12:06 AM) AEN: there never was what?


简体中文翻译:

(第69段)
12:06 AM) Thusness: “缘起(DO)就是这无常流动(the operation mechanism of the Transience)的运作机制;
12:06 AM) Thusness: ‘从未真实存在。

原文:
(12:06 AM) Thusness: DO is the operation mechanism of the Transience
(12:06 AM) Thusness: A self


简体中文翻译:

(第70段)
12:06 AM) AEN: “我明白……”

原文:
(12:06 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第71段)
12:10 AM) Thusness: “要获得如此清晰其实很难,
12:11 AM) Thusness: 只有佛陀才能彻底明了。
12:11 AM) AEN: ……
12:12 AM) Thusness: 即便是修行佛法的人也常有很多误解,
12:12 AM) Thusness: 他们看不到这教法有多么一致且精妙。

原文:
(12:10 AM) Thusness: It is very difficult to have such clarity
(12:11 AM) Thusness: Only Buddha has it
(12:11 AM) AEN: oic..
(12:12 AM) Thusness: Even buddhist practitioners have so much mis-conceptions
(12:12 AM) Thusness: They can't see how consistent and precise the teaching is


简体中文翻译:

(第72段)
12:13 AM) AEN: “明白……
对了,这还不算是真正的无二体验,对吧?比较像我是/本我(I AM

世界持续前进……我们不去把多样性看作终极,而是安住在其下的’……就好像海洋或幻相只是流动的意识表面波浪……‘莎克提(shakti把潜在的意识海洋显现成一个有限可见的形态……但围绕、贯穿并包覆那个形态的,其实是同一个意识,它是整片海洋……只是当你沉静于深处时,你知道那广阔,而不只是局限……”

原文:
(12:13 AM) AEN: icic..
btw this is not yet nondual experience rite, more like I AM?:
"the world moves forward as it is..... but instead of seeing the diversity as the ulitmate the One underneath it all is rested in..... Like the ocean reality or maya is simply the surface waves of moving consciousness.... shakti which manifests the underlying Ocean of Consciousness into a limited visible form..... But what is beneath and around and within that form is simply the same consciousness which comprises the Whole of the Ocean.... But in the calm of the depths you know the vastness instead of the limited......"


简体中文翻译:

(第73段)
12:16 AM) Thusness: “对。

原文:
(12:16 AM) Thusness: Yes


简体中文翻译:

(第74段)
12:16 AM) AEN: “明白了。

原文:
(12:16 AM) AEN: icic


简体中文翻译:

(第75段)
12:17 AM) Thusness: “那是在‘bond(束缚)的影响之下,却毫不自知。

原文:
(12:17 AM) Thusness: Under the influence of the 'bond' without knowing it


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简体中文翻译:

(第76段)
12:17 AM) Thusness: “第一到第六阶段是无法跳过的。

原文:
(12:17 AM) Thusness: Stage 1 to 6 cannot be skipped


简体中文翻译:

(第77段)
12:17 AM) AEN: “你是什么意思?

原文:
(12:17 AM) AEN: wat do u mean


简体中文翻译:

(第78段)
12:18 AM) Thusness: “最好是一个个体验地走完。

原文:
(12:18 AM) Thusness: Best experienced that way.


简体中文翻译:

(第79段)
12:18 AM) AEN: “明白。

原文:
(12:18 AM) AEN: oic


简体中文翻译:

(第80段)
12:18 AM) Thusness: “一个修行者无法跳过这些阶段。

原文:
(12:18 AM) Thusness: A practitioner cannot skip stages


简体中文翻译:

(第81段)
12:18 AM) AEN: “但是有的佛教修行似乎会跳过某些阶段吧?
比如说 dharma dan 从来没经历过我是/本我(I AM

原文:
(12:18 AM) AEN: but buddhist path skips some rite
(12:18 AM) AEN: like dharma dan never go through 'i am'


简体中文翻译:

(第82段)
12:18 AM) Thusness: “是的。
12:19 AM) Thusness: 这样会导致深度的澄明度不足。
就像 grimnexus 把阶段四和阶段五看成一样。

原文:
(12:18 AM) Thusness: Yes
(12:19 AM) Thusness: the depth of clarity will not be there
(12:19 AM) Thusness: Like grimnexus see 4 same as 5.


简体中文翻译:

(第83段)
12:20 AM) Thusness: “但一个真正经历过的人会很清楚它们的区别。

原文:
(12:20 AM) Thusness: But a person that undergone knows clearly.


简体中文翻译:

(第84段)
12:21 AM) AEN: “原来如此。
是啊,他觉得是一样的。
对了,grimnexus 是在第四阶段对吧?

原文:
(12:21 AM) AEN: oic
(12:21 AM) AEN: ya he tot its the same
(12:21 AM) AEN: btw grimnexus at stage 4 rite


简体中文翻译:

(第85段)
12:21 AM) Thusness: “就好像肯·威尔伯和 Ajahn Amaro,看起来体验相同,但即使是 Ajahn Amaro 也觉得两者是一样的。

原文:
(12:21 AM) Thusness: Like ken and Ajahn amaro, seems the same but even Ajahn Amaro thought it is the same.


简体中文翻译:

(第86段)
12:21 AM) AEN: “grimnexus 很久没上线了,他好像几个月没出现了。
原来如此。

原文:
(12:21 AM) AEN: long time nv see him online liao, he like never came online for many months
(12:21 AM) AEN: oic


简体中文翻译:

(第87段)
12:21 AM) Thusness: “你干吗老是为别人的阶段而操心?

原文:
(12:21 AM) Thusness: Why u worry so much abt others ppl stage?


简体中文翻译:

(第88段)
12:22 AM) AEN: “哈哈……”

原文:
(12:22 AM) AEN: lol


简体中文翻译:

(第89段)
12:23 AM) Thusness: “你倒不如多祈愿自己不要被误导,以免再陷无数轮回。
12:23 AM) AEN: ……
12:23 AM) Thusness: 你必须要能正确辨识才是。
12:24 AM) AEN: 明白明白……”

原文:
(12:23 AM) Thusness: Rather pray hard that u will not be misled and go through countless lives of rebirth again
(12:23 AM) AEN: oic..
(12:23 AM) Thusness: What u must have is to correctly discern
(12:24 AM) AEN: icic..


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(第90段)
12:25 AM) Thusness: “如果你想对那六个阶段的精髓拥有清晰的理解,就要明辨、正确地理解。
12:25 AM) Thusness: 倘若我不在了呢?
12:25 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:25 AM) Thusness: If u want to hv clarity of the essence of the six phases, discern and understand correctly.
(12:25 AM) Thusness: What if I m no more around?
(12:25 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第91段)
12:26 AM) Thusness: “如果连 Ajahn Amaro 都分不清,更别说其他人了。
12:26 AM) AEN: “明白……”
12:26 AM) AEN: “ dharma dan 呢?

原文:
(12:26 AM) Thusness: If Ajahn Amaro cannot know the diff, much less is others
(12:26 AM) AEN: icic..
(12:26 AM) AEN: dharma dan leh


简体中文翻译:

(第92段)
12:26 AM) Thusness: “你还是先问问自己是否真的正确理解了,然后再问其他人。

原文:
(12:26 AM) Thusness: Rather ask urself have u correctly understood then abt others


简体中文翻译:

(第93段)
12:27 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:27 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第94段)
12:27 AM) Thusness: “我怎么会知道?
12:27 AM) Thusness: 你总是问我别人的状况,我更担心你。

原文:
(12:27 AM) Thusness: How I know?
(12:27 AM) Thusness: U kept asking abt others, I worry more abt u.


简体中文翻译:

(第95段)
12:27 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:27 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第96段)
12:28 AM) Thusness: “如果你真的明白,你就能知道他们是否抵达了那个层次。

原文:
(12:28 AM) Thusness: If u know, u will be able to know r they there.


简体中文翻译:

(第97段)
12:28 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:28 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第98段)
12:29 AM) Thusness: “好比 Ken Ajahn Amaro,他们显然有同样的体验,却有不同的理解。
12:29 AM) Thusness: David Loy 也把他们当作一样的境界,
12:29 AM) Thusness: 却没意识到两者的差别。

原文:
(12:29 AM) Thusness: Like ken and Ajahn Amaro clearly have same experience but different understanding
(12:29 AM) Thusness: David loy treat them the same too.
(12:29 AM) Thusness: Not realizing the differences


简体中文翻译:

(第99段)
12:30 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:30 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第100段)
12:30 AM) Thusness: “所以,你要拥有正确的理解。
12:31 AM) Thusness: 一个是依止(abiding),另一个是不住(non-abiding
12:32 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:30 AM) Thusness: So have the right understanding
(12:31 AM) Thusness: One is abiding, the other is non-abiding
(12:32 AM) AEN: icic..


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(第101段)
12:32 AM) Thusness: “一个仍然在用力,另一个则是无功用(effortless)的。
12:32 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:32 AM) Thusness: One is still efforting, the other is effortless
(12:32 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第102段)
12:33 AM) Thusness: “一个是梵(Brahman),另一个是缘起(DO)。

原文:
(12:33 AM) Thusness: One is Brahman, the other is DO


简体中文翻译:

(第103段)
12:34 AM) Thusness: “一个是镜子,另一个则是纯然的显现。
12:34 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:34 AM) Thusness: One is mirror, the other is pure manifestation
(12:34 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第104段)
12:36 AM) Thusness: “‘本我/大我在不自觉中被抓住,因为它被设定为独立且不变的。
12:36 AM) Thusness: 因而他们无法珍惜那无常流变(Transience

原文:
(12:36 AM) Thusness: 'Self' is grasped unknowingly because it is independent, changeless
(12:36 AM) Thusness: Therefore they can't treasure the Transience


简体中文翻译:

(第105段)
12:37 AM) Thusness: “他们无法看见因缘conditions)。
12:37 AM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(12:37 AM) Thusness: They can't c conditions
(12:37 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第106段)
12:37 AM) Thusness: “‘无常因缘才是最神圣的。
12:38 AM) Thusness: ‘本我/大我怎么可能看见这一点?
12:38 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:37 AM) Thusness: The Transience and conditions are most sacred
(12:38 AM) Thusness: How can Self c this?
(12:38 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第107段)
12:39 AM) Thusness: “但我们必须知道无常的空性本质(emptiness nature),它是不可寻、不可执的,
12:39 AM) Thusness: 而且它是在条件具足时生起。

原文:
(12:39 AM) Thusness: But one must know the emptiness nature of Transience, unfindable and ungraspable
(12:39 AM) Thusness: And rises when condition is


简体中文翻译:

(第108段)
12:40 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:40 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第109段)
12:40 AM) Thusness: “当我们谈到属性(attributes)时,我们指的是觉知(awareness)的空性本质。

原文:
(12:40 AM) Thusness: When we say attributes, we r referring to the empty nature of awareness


简体中文翻译:

(第110段)
12:41 AM) AEN: “你是什么意思?

原文:
(12:41 AM) AEN: wat u mean


简体中文翻译:

(第111段)
12:41 AM) Thusness: “然而,觉知却充满各种色彩。

原文:
(12:41 AM) Thusness: But awareness is full of colors


简体中文翻译:

(第112段)
12:41 AM) AEN: “你的意思是无属性(attributelessness吗?
12:41 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:41 AM) AEN: u mean attributelessness?
(12:41 AM) AEN: icic


简体中文翻译:

(第113段)
12:41 AM) Thusness: “就像花的红色那样。

原文:
(12:41 AM) Thusness: Like 'redness' of a flower


简体中文翻译:

(第114段)
12:42 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:42 AM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第115段)
12:42 AM) Thusness: “但对不二论(advaitins)来说,那就是一种缺失(absence),
12:42 AM) Thusness: 他们认为与觉知无关。

原文:
(12:42 AM) Thusness: But to advaitins, it is absence
(12:42 AM) Thusness: Nothing to do with awareness


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(第116段)
12:43 AM) AEN: “你的意思是他们把觉知看作无形无相吗?

原文:
(12:43 AM) AEN: u mean they see awareness as formless?


简体中文翻译:

(第117段)
12:43 AM) Thusness: “是的。

原文:
(12:43 AM) Thusness: yes


简体中文翻译:

(第118段)
12:43 AM) AEN: “我明白了。

原文:
(12:43 AM) AEN: icic


简体中文翻译:

(第119段)
12:44 AM) Thusness: “也就是说,他们认为无属性就是无色、无形

12:44 AM) Thusness: 但佛教所说的无属性,指的是它的空性本质
而并非真的有某个无形实体。

原文:
(12:44 AM) Thusness: Means absence of attributes as colorless, formless
(12:44 AM) Thusness: But what buddhism is referring is its emptiness nature
(12:45 AM) Thusness: Not that there is a real formless entity


简体中文翻译:

(第120段)
12:45 AM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(12:45 AM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第121段)
12:45 AM) Thusness: “‘觉知就是在条件具足时显现的各种表相。

12:46 AM) Thusness: 所以觉知并不脱离念头而存在。

12:46 AM) Thusness: 对不二论者来说,它则是这样的(觉知脱离念头而存在)。

原文:
(12:45 AM) Thusness: Awareness is appearances appearing when condition is
(12:46 AM) Thusness: awareness is not free of thoughts
(12:46 AM) Thusness: To advaitins, it is.


简体中文翻译:

(第122段)
12:47 AM) Thusness: “对一个真正的佛教修行者而言,念头本身就是觉知

一念生起,然后下一念。

就如 Ajahn Amaro 所说。
没有对无念头无概念的执著,
所有都会以最鲜明的形式被经验到。

原文:
(12:47 AM) Thusness: To buddhist practitioner, thought is awareness
(12:48 AM) Thusness: One thought arises
(12:48 AM) Thusness: Next one
(12:48 AM) Thusness: Like what Ajahn Amaro said
(12:48 AM) Thusness: There is no worry abt no thought, no conceptuality
(12:49 AM) Thusness: All will be experienced in their most vivid forms


简体中文翻译:

(第123段)
12:49 AM) Thusness: “我得走了。
12:49 AM) AEN: ‘明白……
好的,晚安。

原文:
(12:49 AM) Thusness: I got to go now.
(12:49 AM) AEN: oic..
(12:49 AM) AEN: ok gd nite


简体中文翻译:

(第124段)
12:49 AM) Thusness: “晚安。

原文:
(12:49 AM) Thusness: Nite


简体中文翻译:

(省略号处为原文中的“....”

原文:
....


简体中文翻译:

(以下为时间为 15/4/13 的记录)

原文:
15/4/13 12:53:28 AM: John Tan: Anatta is a realization that there isn't a consciousness besides sound, scenery...etc


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简体中文翻译:

(以下为时间为 15/4/13 的对话内容)

(第125段)
15/4/13 12:53:28 AM: John Tan: “无我(anatta)是一种洞见——没有一个独立于声音、景象……等等之外的意识

原文:
15/4/13 12:53:28 AM: John Tan: Anatta is a realization that there isn't a consciousness besides sound, scenery...etc


简体中文翻译:

(第126段)
15/4/13 12:56:15 AM: John Tan: “你通过破除对那个施为者/主体(agent的实执,去触及标签所依的那个基础显现。

原文:
15/4/13 12:56:15 AM: John Tan: U c through reification of that agent and get in touch with the base manifestation where the label rely upon


简体中文翻译:

(第127段)
15/4/13 12:57:02 AM: John Tan: “所以声音才是我们指称意识之所在。
15/4/13 12:57:36 AM: John Tan: ‘没有任何脱离于那的意识。

原文:
15/4/13 12:57:02 AM: John Tan: So sound is the actual consciousness is referring to
15/4/13 12:57:36 AM: John Tan: There is no consciousness other than that


简体中文翻译:

(第128段)
15/4/13 1:01:13 AM: John Tan: “当他们看透了实执,现象会具有不同的意义。
15/4/13 1:02:04 AM: John Tan: ‘视一切皆是觉知,并不等同于一心(one mind
15/4/13 1:02:52 AM: John Tan: ‘把一切看成同一个不变心才是问题所在。

原文:
15/4/13 1:01:13 AM: John Tan: When they see through reification, then phenomena has a different meaning
15/4/13 1:02:04 AM: John Tan: Seeing everything as awareness is not one mind
15/4/13 1:02:52 AM: John Tan: Seeing everything as the same unchanging mind is the problem


简体中文翻译:

(第129段)
15/4/13 1:04:09 AM: John Tan: “当你看透实执,你会发现觉知(awareness不过是指向这些显现的一个标签。
15/4/13 1:04:32 AM: John Tan: 所以说那样讲也没问题。
15/4/13 1:05:24 AM: John Tan: 只有当我们把觉知当成真正实有时,才会产生迷惑,因为并不存在那样的东西。

原文:
15/4/13 1:04:09 AM: John Tan: When u c through reification, u realized "awareness" is just a label point to these manifestations
15/4/13 1:04:32 AM: John Tan: So there is nothing wrong saying that
15/4/13 1:05:24 AM: John Tan: Only when we treat awareness to b of true existence then we r deluded because there isn't any


简体中文翻译:

(第130段)
15/4/13 1:11:14 AM: Soh Wei Yu: “我明白……”
15/4/13 1:11:36 AM: John Tan: “在聆听时,只有声音
15/4/13 1:11:57 AM: John Tan: ‘聆听意味着之显现。

原文:
15/4/13 1:11:14 AM: Soh Wei Yu: I see..
15/4/13 1:11:36 AM: John Tan: In hearing, there is only sound
15/4/13 1:11:57 AM: John Tan: Hearing implies the presence of sound


简体中文翻译:


简体中文翻译:

(第131段)
14/5/13 9:39:15 PM: John Tan: “一心(one mind)是不同的。

原文:
14/5/13 9:39:15 PM: John Tan: One mind is different


简体中文翻译:

(第132段)
14/5/13 9:40:04 PM: John Tan: “‘一心,如我告诉你的,是见证者消失了,却融入一个至上的觉知(Awareness之中。

原文:
14/5/13 9:40:04 PM: John Tan: One mind as I told u is the witness is gone but subsume into an overarching Awareness


简体中文翻译:

(第133段)
14/5/13 9:40:31 PM: Soh Wei Yu: “在你的七个阶段中,这算是一个独立的阶段吗?

原文:
14/5/13 9:40:31 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Is there a distinct phase of one mind in your seven stages?


简体中文翻译:

(第134段)
14/5/13 9:40:48 PM: John Tan: “第四阶段。

原文:
14/5/13 9:40:48 PM: John Tan: Phase 4


简体中文翻译:

(第135段)
14/5/13 9:41:23 PM: Soh Wei Yu: “可你说过第四阶段你已证悟无我,并体验无心(no mind了?

原文:
14/5/13 9:41:23 PM: Soh Wei Yu: But u said phase 4 u already realised anatta and experience no mind?


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(第136段)
14/5/13 9:41:51 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
所以,这意味着洞见已经生起,但仍然有回到一心的倾向?

原文:
14/5/13 9:41:51 PM: Soh Wei Yu: So does that mean the insight already arise by tendency to sink back to one mind is still there


简体中文翻译:

(第137段)
14/5/13 9:42:03 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
但是……”

原文:
14/5/13 9:42:03 PM: Soh Wei Yu: But


简体中文翻译:

(第138段)
14/5/13 9:42:17 PM: John Tan:
所有这些灰色地带都被放在第四阶段的洞见上,因为那时的知见还不完全清晰。

原文:
14/5/13 9:42:17 PM: John Tan: All such gray area is put onto phase 4 insight when view isn't completely clear


简体中文翻译:

(第139段)
14/5/13 9:42:44 PM: John Tan:
这种灰度没法详加描述。

原文:
14/5/13 9:42:44 PM: John Tan: There is no way to describe the grey scale


简体中文翻译:

(第140段)
14/5/13 9:43:24 PM: John Tan:
即便是在无我(anatta)阶段,也还有许多不同层次的精微程度。

原文:
14/5/13 9:43:24 PM: John Tan: Even in anatta there r so many different degree of refinements


简体中文翻译:

(第141段)
14/5/13 9:43:34 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
我明白。

原文:
14/5/13 9:43:34 PM: Soh Wei Yu: I see


简体中文翻译:

(第142段)
14/5/13 9:43:59 PM: John Tan:
但其实谈这些没多大实用价值。

原文:
14/5/13 9:43:59 PM: John Tan: But it is not practical to talk abt all


简体中文翻译:

(第143段)
14/5/13 9:44:44 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
哦,你的意思是没法描述吗?

原文:
14/5/13 9:44:44 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Oic.. U mean not describable


简体中文翻译:

(第144段)
14/5/13 9:45:32 PM: John Tan:
不,不是说不能描述,而是没有什么实际意义去描述。
就好比‘AF’,它只是一种偏颇:它只看那种纯粹肉身血肉的体验……有人会详细去谈,有人不会。

原文:
14/5/13 9:45:32 PM: John Tan: No...not that it is not describable but not practical to describe
14/5/13 9:46:48 PM: John Tan: Like AF is part of the deviation looking into purely physical flesh and blood of pure experience ... Some went into details some does not


简体中文翻译:

(第145段)
14/5/13 9:47:51 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
你说‘went into details’是什么意思?

原文:
14/5/13 9:47:51 PM: Soh Wei Yu: What do u mean by went into details


简体中文翻译:

(第146段)
14/5/13 9:48:54 PM: John Tan:
就像我是/本我(I AM,你经历了所有那些过程,但我并没有把它们划分成不同阶段。

原文:
14/5/13 9:48:54 PM: John Tan: It is like I AM, there r all those experiences u undergone but I do not say they r diff phases

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(以下为 2013 4 14 日的对话内容)

(第147段)
14/4/13 7:35:01 PM: John Tan:
当你说天气,天气真的存在吗?

原文:
14/4/13 7:35:01 PM: John Tan: When u say "weather", does weather exist?


简体中文翻译:

(第148段)
14/4/13 7:35:20 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
并不存在。

原文:
14/4/13 7:35:20 PM: Soh Wei Yu: No


简体中文翻译:

(第149段)
14/4/13 7:35:42 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
它是一个约定俗成的假名,加在一个无缝的活动之上。

原文:
14/4/13 7:35:42 PM: Soh Wei Yu: It's a convention imputed on a seamless activity


简体中文翻译:

(第150段)
14/4/13 7:35:54 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
谈到存在不存在,其实并不适用。

原文:
14/4/13 7:35:54 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Existence and non existence don't apply


简体中文翻译:

(第151段)
14/4/13 7:36:02 PM: John Tan:
“‘那这个标签背后的依据是什么?’”

原文:
14/4/13 7:36:02 PM: John Tan: What is the basis where this label rely on


简体中文翻译:

(第152段)
14/4/13 7:36:16 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
雨、云、风等等。

原文:
14/4/13 7:36:16 PM: Soh Wei Yu: Rain clouds wind etc


简体中文翻译:

(第153段)
14/4/13 7:36:25 PM: John Tan:
别跟我讲‘prasanga’(中观应成派推论)。
14/4/13 7:36:36 PM: John Tan: 直接看。

原文:
14/4/13 7:36:25 PM: John Tan: Don't talk prasanga
14/4/13 7:36:36 PM: John Tan: Directly see


简体中文翻译:

(第154段)
14/4/13 7:38:11 PM: John Tan:
雨也是一个标签。

原文:
14/4/13 7:38:11 PM: John Tan: Rain too is a label


简体中文翻译:

(第155段)
14/4/13 7:39:10 PM: John Tan:
但在直接体验中,这并没有问题;可一旦深究,你就会发现人们如何因语言而产生对实体的误执。

原文:
14/4/13 7:39:10 PM: John Tan: But in direct experience, there is no issue but when probed, u realized how one is confused abt the reification from language


简体中文翻译:

(第156段)
14/4/13 7:39:52 PM: John Tan:
然后,就有了生/死、创造/消亡之类的概念,
14/4/13 7:40:06 PM: John Tan: 以及一大堆执着都由此而生。
14/4/13 7:40:25 PM: John Tan: 但这并不意味着毫无依据……懂吗?

原文:
14/4/13 7:39:52 PM: John Tan: And from there life/death/creation/cessation arise
14/4/13 7:40:06 PM: John Tan: And whole lots of attachment
14/4/13 7:40:25 PM: John Tan: But it does not mean there is no basis...get it?


简体中文翻译:

(第157段)
14/4/13 7:40:45 PM: Soh Wei Yu:
那个依据就是经验本身,对吗?

原文:
14/4/13 7:40:45 PM: Soh Wei Yu: The basis is just the experience right


简体中文翻译:

(第158段)
14/4/13 7:41:15 PM: John Tan:
对,就是如此,简简单单。

原文:
14/4/13 7:41:15 PM: John Tan: Yes which is plain and simple


简体中文翻译:

(第159段)
14/4/13 7:41:50 PM: John Tan:
当我们说天气好,就去感受阳光、风、雨……”

原文:
14/4/13 7:41:50 PM: John Tan: When we say the weather is windy


简体中文翻译:

(第160段)
14/4/13 7:42:04 PM: John Tan:
感觉那风、那吹拂……”

原文:
14/4/13 7:42:04 PM: John Tan: Feel the wind, the blowing...


简体中文翻译:

(第161段)
14/4/13 7:43:04 PM: John Tan:
可一旦我们审视语言,把动词错认为名词,问题就大了。

原文:
14/4/13 7:43:04 PM: John Tan: But when we look at language and mistaken verb for nouns there r big issues


简体中文翻译:

(第162段)
14/4/13 7:43:22 PM: John Tan:
因此,在我们讨论这事那事之前,
14/4/13 7:43:40 PM: John Tan: 先要弄清什么是意识(consciousness什么是觉知(awareness
14/4/13 7:43:45 PM: John Tan: 明白吗?

原文:
14/4/13 7:43:22 PM: John Tan: So before we talk abt this and that
14/4/13 7:43:40 PM: John Tan: Understand what consciousness is and awareness is
14/4/13 7:43:45 PM: John Tan: Get it?


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(第163段)
14/4/13 7:44:40 PM: John Tan:
当我们说天气,去感受阳光、风、雨。

原文:
14/4/13 7:44:40 PM: John Tan: When we say weather, feel the sunshine, the wind, the rain


简体中文翻译:

(第164段)
14/4/13 7:44:58 PM: John Tan:
你并不会去寻找天气

原文:
14/4/13 7:44:58 PM: John Tan: U do not search for weather


简体中文翻译:

(第165段)
14/4/13 7:45:04 PM: John Tan:
明白吗?

原文:
14/4/13 7:45:04 PM: John Tan: Get it?


简体中文翻译:

(第166段)
14/4/13 7:45:57 PM: John Tan:
同理,当我们说觉知(awareness,就要去看风景、声音、触觉、气味和念头。

原文:
14/4/13 7:45:57 PM: John Tan: Similarly, when we say awareness, look into scenery, sound, tactile sensations, scents and thoughts


简体中文翻译:

(以下是在 2010 年初、我尚未证悟无我之前的对话)

原文:
In early 2010, before I realised anatta:


简体中文翻译:

(第167段)
(11:12 PM) Thusness: “你现在用的是第四阶段的理解,去解释第六阶段。
(11:12 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(11:12 PM) Thusness: u r using stage 4 understanding to explain 6
(11:12 PM) AEN: oic


简体中文翻译:

(第168段)
(11:13 PM) Thusness: “我对知见/见解不太感兴趣,我更在意让那能让你理解正知见的洞见/证悟。
(11:14 PM) Thusness: 第四阶段的无二就是那个洞见。
到第五阶段,那个观察者就消失了。

(11:15 PM) Thusness: 不只是没有,不是因为它是无二,而是根本没有那个观察者。
这就是无我
(11:15 PM) Thusness: 那才是你必须生起的洞见,就像 dharma dan 说的那样……”

原文:
(11:13 PM) Thusness: i am not interested in views
only the insight that allows u to understand the right view
(11:14 PM) Thusness: that is in phase 4, 'non-dual' is the insight
in phase 5, that observer is gone
(11:15 PM) Thusness: there is not only no 'in' here or out 'there' not because it is non-dual, but because there is no such observer at all.
anatta
(11:15 PM) Thusness: that is the 'insight' that must arise
(11:15 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:15 PM) Thusness: just like what dharma dan said


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(第169段)
(11:23 PM) Thusness: “你并不否认主观或客观现实;
(11:24 PM) Thusness: 它们不过是权宜和约定俗成的(假名)罢了。
(11:24 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(11:23 PM) Thusness: u do not deny subjective or object reality
(11:24 PM) Thusness: they are only provisional and conventional
(11:24 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第170段)
(11:25 PM) Thusness: “但是当陷于二元和本质化的心智听到无二这个词时,它们会把二者想象成二变成一,或者你变成了我’……
(11:25 PM) Thusness: 因为一个陷于那种心态的人,尽管体验过,却依旧会这样想。

原文:
(11:25 PM) Thusness: but when the dualistic and inherent hears the term 'non-dual', they either visualize the 2 becoming one or 'you have become me'...
(11:25 PM) Thusness: because this is how a mind that is trapped would think despite the experience


简体中文翻译:

(第171段)
(11:26 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(11:26 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第172段)
(11:27 PM) Thusness: “对于超越四边的法,其实用语言并不能充分表达;
所以最重要的是洞见本身。
(11:27 PM) Thusness: 要看一个人如何表达这些洞见。

原文:
(11:27 PM) Thusness: for what that is beyond the four extremes cannot be expressed adequately using language
so what that is important is the insights
(11:27 PM) Thusness: and see how one expresses these insights


简体中文翻译:

(第173段)
(11:27 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(11:27 PM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第174段)
(11:28 PM) Thusness: “ Joan Tollifson 就是,
那是一种直接的体验,
其中没有任何知见可言。
(11:28 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(11:28 PM) Thusness: like joan tollifson
it is the direct experience
there is no view about it
(11:28 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第175段)
(11:30 PM) Thusness: “也就是说,一个修行者只会直接体验硬、软、意向、景象、声音——没有自我;
只会直接体验行动(action)。

(11:31 PM) Thusness: 但在世俗上,你仍然是你,我仍然是我。
(11:31 PM) Thusness: 并不存在所谓你就是我
明白吗?

(11:32 PM) Thusness: 或者说,并没有一个觉知声音
或者说一切只是这个觉知
根本没有这种概念。
(11:32 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(11:30 PM) Thusness: means a practitioner will only experience hardness, softness, intentions, scenery, sound
no self
(11:30 PM) Thusness: action
directly
(11:31 PM) Thusness: but conventionally, u r still u, i am still me
(11:31 PM) Thusness: there is no such thing as u r me
get it?
(11:32 PM) Thusness: or there is an awareness that is sound
or all is just this awareness
there is no such concept
(11:32 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第176段)
(11:33 PM) Thusness: “那里只有声音、影像、思维。
(11:33 PM) Thusness: 你所谓的觉知就是这些。
(11:34 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’
(11:34 PM) AEN: ‘是的,我在 http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=13153&st=120# 里提到了……’”

原文:
(11:33 PM) Thusness: there is sound, sight, thoughts
(11:33 PM) Thusness: and what u call awareness are just that
(11:34 PM) AEN: icic..
(11:34 PM) AEN: ya i talked about it in http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=13153&st=120#


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(第177段)
(11:35 PM) Thusness: “是啊,可是你的心里想的是某种觉知,或者说一切都是这个觉知
(11:35 PM) AEN: “明白。

原文:
(11:35 PM) Thusness: yeah but ur mind is thinking some awareness
or all are just this awareness
(11:35 PM) AEN: oic


简体中文翻译:

(第178段)
(11:36 PM) Thusness: “这是一种二元的理解方式——尽管体验是无二的——这就是第四阶段。
(11:36 PM) AEN: ‘抱歉,我指的是第126 Post ……
好吧,明白。’”

原文:
(11:36 PM) Thusness: this is a dualistic way of understanding
though experience is non-dual
that is phase 4
(11:36 PM) AEN: sorry i mean post #126
oic


简体中文翻译:

(第179段)
(11:36 PM) Thusness: “那就好比把冬天当作春天,又把春天当作秋天
(11:36 PM) Thusness: 也像把说成变成了灰烬
(11:36 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(11:36 PM) Thusness: that is treating winter as spring and spring as autumn
(11:36 PM) Thusness: that is treating fire as becoming ashes
(11:36 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第180段)
(11:37 PM) Thusness: “懂吗?
虽然你说声音就是觉知,可你还是把它当作那样一个东西。
(11:37 PM) Thusness: 就像冬天变成春天,
或者冬天就是春天那样。
(11:38 PM) Thusness: 明白吗?
(11:38 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(11:37 PM) Thusness: get it?
although u said that sound is awareness, u r still treating it as that.
(11:37 PM) Thusness: as if winter becomes spring
or winter is spring
(11:38 PM) Thusness: get it?
(11:38 PM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第181段)
(11:38 PM) Thusness: “这是不一样的。
举例来说,dharma dan 说,只有种种触觉、念头……那些五蕴。不管是超级觉知还是觉知,都和只有感受、念头……’不同。如果只是说感受就是觉知念头就是觉知,就好像觉知变成了那些念头

原文:
(11:38 PM) Thusness: it is different
for example dharma dan said there is just sensations, thoughts...the aggregates. whether super awareness or awareness. it is different from saying sensation is awareness, thoughts is awareness as if awareness has become thoughts


简体中文翻译:

(接下来是 “Update, 16/7/2021” 的提及,及一些相关内容。)

原文:
...................
Update, 16/7/2021

Also relevant:


简体中文翻译:

(第182段)
Session Start: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008

(9:49 PM) Thusness: “自我感(sense of self)与存在感(sense of beingness)是不同的。

原文:
Session Start: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008

(9:49 PM) Thusness: Sense of self and sense of beingness is different


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(第183段)
(9:51 PM) Thusness: “我们本性的智慧(Wisdom of our nature)包含了能够区分这两者(自我感与存在感)的能力。
(9:51 PM) AEN: “明白……”
(9:51 PM) Thusness: “是的,我读过他写的东西。

原文:
(9:51 PM) Thusness: Wisdom of our nature includes the ability to know the difference
(9:51 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:51 PM) Thusness: yes i read what he wrote.


简体中文翻译:

(第184段)
(9:52 PM) AEN: “ Longchen 吗?我明白……”
(9:52 PM) Thusness: “是的,今天早上看了。

原文:
(9:52 PM) AEN: longchen? ic..
(9:52 PM) Thusness: yes in the morning.


简体中文翻译:

(第185段)
(9:53 PM) AEN: “……”
(9:54 PM) Thusness: “他写的另一篇关于‘Great Freedom’的文章也不错。
(9:54 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(9:53 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:54 PM) Thusness: the other article about great freedom is also not bad.
(9:54 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第186段)
(9:57 PM) AEN: “对了,‘Now’(当下)和‘spontaneous arising(自发生起)有何区别?保持在‘Now’里并不代表没有自我感,是吗?而且似乎还要用力去达成或维持这个状态?

原文:
(9:57 PM) AEN: btw wats the difference between 'now' and spontaneous arising.. to remain in 'now' doesnt mean there's no sense of self isit? and there's still the sense of effort to achieve or sustain the state


简体中文翻译:

(第187段)
(10:00 PM) Thusness: “‘Now(当下)只不过是一个概念,他们真正想要表达的,是让人直接体验到一种存在/临在感(sense of presence
(10:00 PM) Thusness: ‘spontaneous arising(自发生起)就不同了。它意味着无造作(effortlessness

原文:
(10:00 PM) Thusness: 'Now' is a concept for what they really want to convey is a direct experience of a sense of presence.
(10:00 PM) Thusness: spontaneous arising is different. It relates to 'effortlessness'.


简体中文翻译:

(第188段)
(10:02 PM) Thusness: “它关乎对解脱是何的直接体验。
(10:02 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:02 PM) Thusness: it relates to the direct experience of what liberation is.
(10:02 PM) AEN: oic..


简体中文翻译:

(第189段)
(10:07 PM) AEN: “你说 Travis 的帖子还停留在我是/本我(I AM’……是因为他还无法区分自我感存在感吗?

原文:
(10:07 PM) AEN: u said travis post is still 'i am'... is cos he still cant differentiate sense of self and beingness?


简体中文翻译:

(第190段)
(10:07 PM) Thusness: “他们想告诉读者:不要迷失在各种故事情节里,以至于错过直接体验的临在(Presence
(10:07 PM) Thusness: 这只是第一步。

原文:
(10:07 PM) Thusness: what they want to bring across to the readers is to tell them not to lost themselves in stories so that they missed the direct experience of 'Presence'.
(10:07 PM) Thusness: This is just the first step.


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(第191段)
(10:08 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:08 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第192段)
(10:09 PM) Thusness: “他们之所以强调‘Now’(当下),并没有别的目的,只是为了让人别错过当下的临在(Presence
(10:09 PM) Thusness: Longchen 说的东西,其实是个更为重要的真相。

原文:
(10:09 PM) Thusness: Stressing the importance of 'Now' has no other purpose other than that.
(10:09 PM) Thusness: What longchen said is a more important truth.


简体中文翻译:

(第193段)
(10:09 PM) AEN: “明白……
不过自发显现(spontaneous manifestation只有在洞见之后才能发生吗?

原文:
(10:09 PM) AEN: oic..
but spontaneous manifestation can only occur after insight rite?


简体中文翻译:

(第194段)
(10:10 PM) Thusness: “不完全是。
(10:10 PM) Thusness: 它一直都在发生,
(10:11 PM) Thusness: 只不过我们还没认出它来而已。

原文:
(10:10 PM) Thusness: not exactly
(10:10 PM) Thusness: it always occur
(10:11 PM) Thusness: it is just that it is not realised


简体中文翻译:

(第195段)
(10:11 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:11 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第196段)
(10:11 PM) Thusness: “现在,当‘Great Freedom’那篇文章说虚空就是觉知,生起的一切也就是觉知,你会如何理解?

原文:
(10:11 PM) Thusness: now when the article from 'Great Freedom' said, the space is Awareness and what that arise is also Awareness. How do u understand it?


简体中文翻译:

(第197段)
(10:13 PM) AEN: “那是无二,对吗?

原文:
(10:13 PM) AEN: thats non duality rite?


简体中文翻译:

(第198段)
(10:14 PM) Thusness: “对我来说,那是无二,但并不是佛教所说的那种理解。所以它并不具有我希望你能达到的那种洞见。

原文:
(10:14 PM) Thusness: To me it is non-dual but not buddhism sort of understanding.
(10:14 PM) Thusness: Therefore it does not the sort of insight I hope u can achieve.


简体中文翻译:

(第199段)
(10:15 PM) AEN: “明白……
那二者之间差在哪里?

原文:
(10:15 PM) AEN: oic..
(10:15 PM) AEN: wats the difference


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(第200段)
(10:16 PM) Thusness: “是啊,那差别是什么?

原文:
(10:16 PM) Thusness: Yes what is the difference?


简体中文翻译:

(第201段)
(10:16 PM) AEN: “他们还是把觉知(awareness当作一个不变的背景吗?

原文:
(10:16 PM) AEN: they still treat awareness as an unchanging background?


简体中文翻译:

(第202段)
(10:16 PM) Thusness: “就这个案例而言,并非真的那样。
(10:17 PM) Thusness: 当然,他们也视一切生起之物都为觉知
(10:17 PM) Thusness: 他们的问题在于清晰度的深度

原文:
(10:16 PM) Thusness: not actually that for this case
(10:17 PM) Thusness: obviously they also treat whatever arise as Awareness.
(10:17 PM) Thusness: They problem is in the depth of clarity.


简体中文翻译:

(第203段)
(10:18 PM) Thusness: “这里有好几个障碍点。
首先,是对纯粹存在感(Presence的体验,也就是在几乎没有念头时的一种状态。
(10:19 PM) Thusness: 近乎无思的状态。
然后还有对无二(non-duality的体验。
(10:19 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’

(10:20 PM) Thusness: 那是一种类似 Ken Wilber 的体验;
(10:20 PM) Thusness: 他们没法突破二元的束缚(the bond of dualism

原文:
(10:18 PM) Thusness: There are several hurdles here.
(10:18 PM) Thusness: First is the experience of a pure sense of existence (Presence) from a state free from 'thoughts'
(10:19 PM) Thusness: an almost thoughtless state
(10:19 PM) Thusness: then there is also the experience of non-duality
(10:19 PM) AEN: icic..

(10:20 PM) Thusness: that is a state similar to what Ken Wilber experienced
(10:20 PM) Thusness: There is inability to break-through the 'bond' of dualism.


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(第204段)
(10:22 PM) Thusness: “那种持续回溯自我的倾向阻碍了深层的,尽管他们确实有无二体验。
(10:22 PM) AEN: ‘明白……
(10:22 PM) AEN: 你是指回溯到一个自我或背景吗?’”

原文:
(10:22 PM) Thusness: The perpetual referencing back prevents the depth of 'seeing' despite the non-dual experience.
(10:22 PM) AEN: oic..
(10:22 PM) AEN: referencing back to a self or background?


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(第205段)
(10:23 PM) Thusness: “倒不是说他们想要那个背景,而是他们的二元倾向导致这样。
(10:24 PM) AEN: ‘顺便问一下,自我探究(self inquiry)可能会导致一种无念头的存在感体验,对吗?昨天我做自我探究,结果几乎没有念头,就只剩一种存在感,然后我就进入了非常喜悦的状态,可能持续了一两分钟……
(10:24 PM) AEN: ……’”

原文:
(10:23 PM) Thusness: it is not that he wants the background, it is because the dualistic tendency
(10:24 PM) AEN: btw self inquiry can lead to a thoughtless state of presence rite? yesterday was practicing self inquiry until suddenly its like i have almost no thought already... just a sense of presence... then suddenly i enter into a v blissful state for i tink 1 or 2 minute
(10:24 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第206段)
(10:24 PM) Thusness: “是的。
(10:26 PM) Thusness: 但这种纯粹存在感(pure sense of existence)不能让你忽略(不理睬)看到色、声、味及其他所生现象皆是临在(Presence)。
(10:26 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’

(10:27 PM) Thusness: 如果你让它遮蔽你,那么你就没法完整体验无我。
接下来自然而然的发展是,你会短暂见到像 Ken Wilber 那样的体验……你需要清晰地体验到那。

原文:
(10:24 PM) Thusness: yes
(10:26 PM) Thusness: this pure sense of existence cannot 'blind' us from seeing sight, sound, taste and other arising phenomenon as Presence
(10:26 PM) AEN: icic..

(10:27 PM) Thusness: once u let that blind u, u can't experience anatta completely
the next natural development is to have the glimpse of what Ken Wilber experiences... u need vivid experience of that


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(第207段)
(10:27 PM) AEN: “我当时并没有意识到有色、声或味之类的东西……感觉是一片空,但仍存在临在(presence)。
(10:28 PM) AEN: “明白。

原文:
(10:27 PM) AEN: i didnt remember experience sight or sound or taste... instead it feels like void... but theres presence
(10:28 PM) AEN: icic


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(第208段)
(10:28 PM) Thusness: “然后,只要你试图把这两种体验协调起来时,就会产生困惑。
问题在于我们的二元认知方式,虽然有这些体验,但仍然不能正确理解。
(10:29 PM) Thusness: 直到我们对无我有了透彻见解,般若智(prajna insight)才会生起。

原文:
(10:28 PM) Thusness: then confusion steps in whenever u try to make sense out of these 2 experiences
the problem is with our dualistic mode of understanding things
(10:28 PM) Thusness: despite the experiences, we still cannot understand it correctly
(10:29 PM) Thusness: until we become clear of anatta then prajna insight arises


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(第209段)
(10:30 PM) Thusness: “一旦我们接受无我和缘起(DO)是对这些体验的正确诠释,我们就会经历得更清晰,也需要更少努力。
(10:31 PM) Thusness: 当我们明晰地看到五蕴本已无二,我们就不会再维系那纯粹存在感的状态,
(10:31 PM) Thusness: 那去维系某种特定状态的努力也就消失。

原文:
(10:30 PM) Thusness: Once we accept anatta and DO as the right understanding of these experiences, we began to experience clearer and less effort is needed
(10:31 PM) Thusness: Once we clearly see that the 5 aggregates are already non-dual, we no more preserve that 'state' of pure existence
(10:31 PM) Thusness: the 'effort' to sustain a particular state disappear


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(第210段)
(10:32 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:32 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第211段)
(10:32 PM) Thusness: “但即便洞见生起,也未必涵盖一切,比如在遇到逆境时,无二体验可能还是会消失,就像 Longchen 那样。
(10:33 PM) Thusness: 在梦境中也一样。

原文:
(10:32 PM) Thusness: yet that is not the exhaustive even insight arises
(10:32 PM) AEN: huh?
(10:33 PM) Thusness: like when we faced adverse situations, non-dual is gone as in the case of longchen.
(10:33 PM) Thusness: when in dream states also


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(第212段)
(10:34 PM) AEN: “明白……是啊,Longchen 说他只有在梦快结束时以及醒来时才体验到无二。
(10:34 PM) Thusness: “还没到那程度。
(10:34 PM) AEN: “哦?你意思是他在梦中还没体验过无二?

原文:
(10:34 PM) AEN: oic.. ya longchen said he only experience non dual when he is near the end of the dream, and in the waking state
(10:34 PM) Thusness: not yet
(10:34 PM) AEN: oic wat u mean
(10:34 PM) AEN: he haven experience it in dream?


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(第213段)
(10:37 PM) Thusness: “不只是这样……
(10:38 PM) Thusness: 我的意思是,只有当我们清楚地见到没有中心、没有我,也就是从无我(anatta)的视角,自发显现(spontaneous manifestation才会被真正理解。
(10:38 PM) Thusness: 也就是说,有念头,但并没有一个思维的施为者/主体(thinker)。
(10:38 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(10:37 PM) Thusness: not only that...
(10:38 PM) Thusness: i mean spontaneous manifestation is only correctly understood when we clearly see that there is no 'center', no 'self' from the anatta perspective
(10:38 PM) Thusness: that is, there is thoughts, no thinker
(10:38 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第214段)
(10:39 PM) Thusness: “也就是说,始终只有念头
(10:39 PM) Thusness: 然后我们就能开始理解缘起(DO)。
(10:39 PM) Thusness: 始终只有声音,没有听者。
(10:40 PM) Thusness: 以这样的方式理解自发生起,并以这种体验来理解缘起。

原文:
(10:39 PM) Thusness: means there is always only thoughts
(10:39 PM) Thusness: then we can begin to understand DO.
(10:39 PM) Thusness: always only Sound, no hearer
(10:40 PM) Thusness: understand spontaneous arising this way and understand DO from this experience.


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(第215段)
(10:42 PM) Thusness: “等到对这些体验有了绝对且毫不费力的清晰,当我们面对逆境时,那个无二体验也仍有可能失去。
(10:42 PM) Thusness: 这就进入了修行层面。
(10:42 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:42 PM) Thusness: after absolute and effortless clarity of these experiences, when dealing with adverse situations, that non-dual experiences can still be gone.
(10:42 PM) Thusness: that is practice
(10:42 PM) AEN: icic..


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(第216段)
(10:43 PM) Thusness: “然后我们会更加深入地体会缘起,也更明白束缚(the bond的强大。
(10:43 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(10:43 PM) Thusness: then we will begin to realise DO in a deeper aspect
(10:43 PM) Thusness: and the strength of the 'bond'
(10:43 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第217段)
(10:44 PM) Thusness: “不过要先有纯粹存在感,然后无二体验。
(10:44 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(10:44 PM) Thusness: but first the pure sense of existence
(10:44 PM) Thusness: then non-dual experience
(10:44 PM) AEN: icic..


简体中文翻译:

(第218段)
(10:44 PM) AEN: “顺便问一下,你之前说 Travis 的体验还停留在‘I AM’。那是因为他还分不清存在感自我感吗?

原文:
(10:44 PM) AEN: btw earlier u said travis experience is still 'i am'.. isit bcos he cant distinguish beingness from sense of self?


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(第219段)
(10:45 PM) Thusness: “你必须继续练习放下(letting go

原文:
(10:45 PM) Thusness: u must continue to practice letting go.


简体中文翻译:

(第220段)
(10:45 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:45 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第221段)
(10:46 PM) Thusness: “要了解 Travis 的体验,你必须先经历过一体(Oneness的体验,
(10:47 PM) Thusness: 也就是从体验中剥离人格特质(personality

原文:
(10:46 PM) Thusness: to understand Travis experience, u must have the 'Oneness' experience
(10:47 PM) Thusness: stripping 'personality' from experiences


简体中文翻译:

(第222段)
(10:47 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:47 PM) AEN: icic..


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(第223段)
(10:48 PM) Thusness: “也就是说,你的无二不一定得显现,但在每一个经验当中,都要有那种剥离人格特质的过程。
(10:48 PM) Thusness: 这也是一个重要的体验。
(10:48 PM) Thusness: 然后稍加推演,就能得出那样的结论。

原文:
(10:48 PM) Thusness: that is, u non-dual need not arise, but that stripping of 'personality' from experiences must arise
(10:48 PM) Thusness: it is also an important experience.
(10:48 PM) Thusness: then with a lil extrapolation, u come out that sort of conclusion.


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(第224段)
(10:49 PM) Thusness: “因为当人格特质从每一个当下经验中被剥离时,却仍然保留了一个固有本质(inherent essence)(自性见)
(10:50 PM) Thusness: 这种对固有本质(自性见)的执著,使 Travis 去推论并得出那样的见解。

原文:
(10:49 PM) Thusness: because will 'personality' is being stripped off from every moment of experience, an 'inherent essence' is not
(10:50 PM) Thusness: that bond of 'inherent essence' causes Travis to extrapolate and lead him to that understanding.


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(第225段)
(10:51 PM) AEN: “明白……”

原文:
(10:51 PM) AEN: oic..


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(第226段)
(10:52 PM) Thusness: “我是说,当人格特质从每一个当下经验中被剥离出来,但对固有本质(inherent essence)(自性见)部分并未被剥离。
(10:52 PM) AEN: ‘明白……’”

原文:
(10:52 PM) Thusness: i mean 'because while' 'personality' is being stripped off from every moment of experience, the aspect of 'inherent essence' is not
(10:52 PM) AEN: icic..


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(第227段)
(10:53 PM) AEN: “对了,他有无二体验,对吗?
(10:53 PM) Thusness: “是的。
只是说,他还没生起无我的洞见(the insight of anatta)。

原文:
(10:53 PM) AEN: btw he had nondual experience rite?
(10:53 PM) Thusness: yes
(10:53 PM) Thusness: just that the insight of anatta does not arise.


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(第228段)
(10:53 PM) AEN: “明白……”
(10:53 PM) Thusness: “我想让你体验的是无我(anatta)。

原文:
(10:53 PM) AEN: oic..
(10:53 PM) Thusness: what i want u to experience is anatta


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(第229段)
(10:55 PM) AEN: “明白明白……”

原文:
(10:55 PM) AEN: icic..


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(第230段)
(10:57 PM) Thusness: “现在,当你听到声音时,你会不会感觉那声音像是在外面?

原文:
(10:57 PM) Thusness: now when u hear 'sound', do u feel like the 'sound' out there?


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(第231段)
(10:59 PM) AEN: “是啊……
这跟身心的束缚有关,对吗?就好像有一种在这里面的感觉。
(11:01 PM) AEN: 不过如果我只是专心去听,似乎就没那么明显了。

原文:
(10:59 PM) AEN: ya
(11:00 PM) AEN: it's a bond to the body/mind rite? like a sense of being 'in here'
(11:01 PM) AEN: but if i just listen attentively it becomes less distinct i tink


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(第232段)
(11:02 PM) Thusness is now Online

原文:
(11:02 PM) Thusness is now Online


简体中文翻译:

(第233段)
(11:13 PM) AEN: “你看到我刚才发的消息了吗?

原文:
(11:13 PM) AEN: u saw my msg?


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(第234段)
(11:16 PM) Thusness: “没有。

原文:
(11:16 PM) Thusness: Nope


简体中文翻译:

(第235段)
(11:18 PM) AEN: “哦,我是说……
AEN 说:
是啊,
我说那是对身心的束缚吧?像一种在这里面的感觉。
不过如果我只是专心去听,似乎就没那么明显了。’”

原文:
(11:18 PM) AEN: oh i said
(11:18 PM) AEN: AEN says:
ya
AEN says:
it's a bond to the body/mind rite? like a sense of being 'in here'
AEN says:
but if i just listen attentively it becomes less distinct i tink


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(第236段)
(11:21 PM) Thusness: “很少有人会想到,这主要是由于我们的二元感知模式才让我们产生了这种感觉。
(11:21 PM) AEN: ‘是这种二元模式造成什么?’”

原文:
(11:21 PM) Thusness: seldom does it occur to us that it is due to our dualistic mode of perception as the main cause
(11:21 PM) AEN: as the main cause of?


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(第237段)
(11:22 PM) Thusness: “正是这种方式让我们产生了那种感受。

原文:
(11:22 PM) Thusness: of making us feel so


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(第238段)
(11:23 PM) Thusness: “然而,还有其他条件会让我们的体验更加复杂。

原文:
(11:23 PM) Thusness: However there r other conditions that complicate our experience


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(第239段)
(11:24 PM) AEN: “明白……
(11:24 PM) AEN: 还有哪些其他条件?

原文:
(11:24 PM) AEN: oic..
(11:24 PM) AEN: what other conditions


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(第240段)
(11:24 PM) Thusness: “那就是身体以及外在条件

原文:
(11:24 PM) Thusness: That is the 'body' and the 'external conditions'


简体中文翻译:

(第241段)
(11:26 PM) AEN: “明白明白……”

原文:
(11:26 PM) AEN: icic..


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(第242段)
(11:31 PM) Thusness: “你现在也读了很多经教,你自己也有讲解,也有经文可参考,为什么还会有这种感觉?

原文:
(11:31 PM) Thusness: Now u have read, taught and the sutra to refer to, how is it that u still feel so?


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(第243段)
(11:32 PM) Thusness: “你对佛陀如此有信心,为什么却无法直接体会到无我的真谛?
(11:32 PM) AEN: “是因为束缚或者说二元感知模式吗?

原文:
(11:32 PM) Thusness: U have so much faith in Buddha, why is it that u r unable to directly feel the truth of anatta?
(11:32 PM) AEN: due to bond or the dualistic mode of perception?


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(第244段)
(11:35 PM) Thusness: “所以你要知道这个束缚的微妙与力量远大于你所有的信心与修行总和。

原文:
(11:35 PM) Thusness: therefore know the subtlety and strength of this bond. It is much stronger then the sum of all ur faith and practices


简体中文翻译:

(第245段)
(11:38 PM) AEN: “我明白了……”

原文:
(11:38 PM) AEN: oic..


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映射自然状态与超个人支点

·威尔伯关于垂直发展模型的描述,概述了一系列支点,在这些支点上,我们对自我的感知逐渐溶解其平常的、自我束缚的形态,并开放至更具包容性、无二的觉知模式。许多内观传统指出,我们的三种自然意识状态——清醒、梦境与深睡——提供了一种体验性镜像,映射着这些发展阶段。在威尔伯的框架中,平常的清醒状态(常伴有分离感)逐渐让位于超个人体验,这些体验分别呼应了梦境状态(充满细微象征意义)和无梦深睡状态(以无形、根源觉知为特征)。最终,无二的根基(支点10)被揭示为所有状态之下不变的如是Suchness)。

以下,我们详细介绍每个支点,同时列出摘自威尔伯著作的体验性引述以及 Diperna 文章中的综合洞见。

支点 7:心灵(自然神秘体验者)层面 —— 清醒状态
在平常清醒状态中,我们通常体验到自己与周围世界的区分。然而,正如威尔伯所解释,在支点 7 上,清醒自我可以经历其分离自我感的暂时溶解。例如,他在《万物简史》中生动描述了这种融合:

“KW:在心灵层面,一个人可能会暂时溶解那分离自我感(即自我或半人马式的自我),并与整个粗糙或感觉运动的世界找到一种同一性——这就是所谓的自然神秘体验者。你正在进行一次愉快的自然漫步,觉知中放松而广阔,你望向一座美丽的山,砰!——突然间没有观看者,只有那座山——而你就是那座山。你不在这里望着外面的山。只有那座山存在,而且它似乎自见,或者你仿佛从内而外在看它。那座山比你的皮肤还要贴近你。换句话说,主体与客体之间,再也没有分离,你与外面整个自然界之间也没有分离。

—— 威尔伯,肯。《万物简史》(第303–304页)。Shambhala 出版社。Kindle 版。

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在这里,即使在清醒时,个体通常的分离感也融解了;那座山不仅仅是被观察,而是被体验为你存在的根基。

原文:

"Mapping the Natural States onto Transpersonal Fulcrums

Ken Wilber’s model of vertical development outlines a series of “fulcrums” where our sense of self gradually dissolves its ordinary, egobound form and opens to more inclusive, nondual modes of awareness. Many contemplative traditions note that our three natural states of consciousness—waking, dreaming, and deep sleep—offer a kind of experiential mirror for these developmental stages. In Wilber’s framework, the ordinary waking state (often troubled by a sense of separation) gives way to transpersonal experiences that, respectively, echo the qualities of dreaming (rich with subtle symbolism) and dreamless deep sleep (characterized by formless, causal awareness). Ultimately, the nondual ground (fulcrum 10) is revealed as the unchanging Suchness underlying all states.

Below, we detail each fulcrum along with experiential quotations drawn from Wilber’s texts and integrative insights from Diperna’s article.

Fulcrum 7: The Psychic (Nature Mystic) Level – Waking State In the ordinary waking state we usually experience ourselves as distinct from the world around us. Yet at fulcrum 7, Wilber explains, the waking self can undergo a temporary dissolution of its separate-self sense. For example, he vividly describes this fusion in A Brief History of Everything:

“KW: At the psychic level, a person might temporarily dissolve the separate-self sense (the ego or centaur) and find an identity with the entire gross or sensorimotor world—so-called nature mysticism. You’re on a nice nature walk, relaxed and expansive in your awareness, and you look at a beautiful mountain, and wham!—suddenly there is no looker, just the mountain—and you are the mountain. You are not in here looking at the mountain out there. There is just the mountain, and it seems to see itself, or you seem to be seeing it from within. The mountain is closer to you than your own skin. By any other terms, there is no separation between subject and object, between you and the entire natural world “out there.” Inside and outside—they don’t have any meaning anymore. You can still tell perfectly well where your body stops and the environment begins—this is not psychotic dualism or a “resurrection in mature form” of psychotic dualism. It is your own higher Self at this stage—fulcrum-7—which can be called the Eco-Noetic Self; some call it the Over-Soul or the World Soul. This is the fusion phase of fulcrum-7. You are a “nature mystic.”

— Wilber, Ken. A Brief History of Everything (pp. 303–304). Shambhala. Kindle Edition.

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Here, even while awake, the individual’s usual sense of separation melts away; the mountain is not merely observed, it is experienced as one’s being.


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支点 8:细微层面(神性神秘体验者) —— 梦境状态
随着发展过程的继续,威尔伯描述支点 8 标志着向更细微、更富象征意义的领域的转变。此阶段与梦境状态密切相关,此时心智的意象变得流动且充满丰富的原型象征。在这一阶段,平常清醒认知的界限让位于类似梦境符号语言的幻象体验。

虽然威尔伯并不总能为支点 8 提供单一简明的引述,但他在《整体灵性》等著作中的论述暗示了这样一种体验性特征:在细微层面,原型神祇和光明而难以言喻的符号图像开始浮现——就像梦中那种生动、情感充沛的图像一样。清醒心智的普通逻辑逐渐退去,使更深层次的象征和能量流显现出来,给体验注入了一种超越性的美。

(以上内容为对威尔伯在《整体灵性》等相关著作中讨论的细微层面体验的意译;请参见相关整合性评论。)

原文:

"Fulcrum 8: The Subtle (Deity Mystic) Level – Dream State As the developmental process continues, Wilber describes fulcrum 8 as marking a transition into a subtler, more symbolically charged realm. This stage corresponds closely with the dream state in which the mind’s imagery becomes fluid and richly archetypal. In this phase, the boundaries of ordinary waking cognition give way to visionary experiences that resemble the dream’s symbolic language.

Although Wilber does not always offer a single, succinct quotation for fulcrum 8, his writings in Integral Spirituality and related works suggest an experiential quality such as:

“At the subtle level, images of archetypal deities and luminous, ineffable symbols begin to surface—much like the vivid, emotionally charged images of a dream. The ordinary logic of the waking mind recedes, allowing the deeper symbolic and energetic currents to emerge and infuse experience with a transcendent beauty.”

(Paraphrased from Wilber’s discussions in Integral Spirituality; see also for additional integrative commentary.)

脚注/附注:
此处“fulcrum”译为支点“Integral Spirituality”译为《整体灵性》。


简体中文翻译:

支点 9:根源层面(无形神秘体验者) —— 无梦深睡状态
进一步发展,支点 9 代表根源领域——在这一状态中,平常梦境中的图像消失于一片无形、未分化的觉知广阔之中。该阶段类似于无梦深睡状态,在这一状态中,通常心智中的内容溶解,留下深邃、寂静的根基般的意识。

威尔伯写道,在这一层面上:

那种体验是纯粹、无结构的觉知,其中思维、情感和感官内容的常规模式让位于一种空性,这空性并非虚无,而是所有体验的基础。在这里,通常的主客二分被超越了,人们只剩下一种非概念、根源的临在感。

(以上内容根据威尔伯在《万物简史》和《整体灵性》中的描述进行意译,并参照相关整合性洞见。)

在深睡状态下,心智不再产生通常的叙事,但仍有一片根源临在/存在的场域——那是纯粹存在的根基,暗示着我们体验现实为纯粹存在的潜能,而不被图像或念头所干扰。

原文:

"Fulcrum 9: The Causal (Formless Mystic) Level – Dreamless Sleep Moving further, fulcrum 9 represents the causal realm—a state in which the ordinary dream images vanish into an expanse of formless, undifferentiated awareness. This stage is comparable to the dreamless, deep sleep state in which the usual contents of mind dissolve, leaving behind a profound, silent “ground” of consciousness.

Wilber writes that at this level:

“The experience is one of pure, unstructured awareness, where the usual patterns of thought, emotion, and sensory content have given way to a kind of emptiness that is not nothing, but the very substrate of all experience. Here, the usual subject–object split is transcended, and one is left with a profound sense of being in a state of non-conceptual, causal presence.”

(Paraphrase based on Wilber’s descriptions in A Brief History of Everything and Integral Spirituality; see also for integrative insights.)

In deep sleep the mind does not generate its usual narrative, yet there is an underlying field—a “causal” presence—that hints at our capacity to experience reality as pure being, without the clutter of images or thoughts."

脚注/附注:
根源在此处译为根源,保持原文概念。


简体中文翻译:

支点 10:不二根基 —— 超越区分
最后,支点 10 并不代表一个在平常意义上的新状态,而是揭示所有先前状态——清醒、梦境、无梦深睡——都是同一根本、不二根基的表现。在这一最终证悟中,主体与客体、内与外的二元对立完全消解。

威尔伯以如下方式总结这一洞见:

从根源层面到不二层面的转变,并非跃进到另一个层次,而是揭开了所有层次的如是。这是一种认知,明白无论是清醒、象征性的梦境,还是无形的深睡状态,都终究是同一不可分割的根基的表现。

(以上内容根据威尔伯在《整体灵性》中后期的论述进行意译,并在其关于不二神秘体验者的讨论中有所体现;另见 AWAKENINGTOREALITY.COM 等。)

在这里,非二元的根基——支点10——是那永恒常在的实相,在此,清醒、梦境与深睡之间的区分皆消融。此即如性,存在的终极根基,在这里,看似多样的状态显现为一体。

原文:

"Fulcrum 10: The Nondual Ground – Beyond Distinction Finally, fulcrum 10 does not represent a new state in the ordinary sense but rather the recognition that all prior states—waking, dreaming, and dreamless sleep—are expressions of one fundamental, nondual ground. At this culminating realization, the dualities of subject and object, inside and outside, simply vanish.

Wilber encapsulates this insight by stating:

“The transition from the causal to the nondual is not a leap into another level, but the unveiling of the Suchness of all levels. It is the recognition that every state of consciousness, whether it be the ordinary waking, the symbolic dream, or the formless sleep, is ultimately expressions of the same underlying, indivisible reality.”

(Paraphrased from Wilber’s later remarks in Integral Spirituality and echoed in his discussions on nondual mysticism; see AWAKENINGTOREALITY.COM and .)

Here, the nondual ground—fulcrum 10—is the ever-present reality in which the distinctions between waking, dreaming, and deep sleep dissolve. This is the Suchness, the ultimate ground of being where the apparent multiplicity of states is revealed to be one."

脚注/附注:
“Suchness”译为如是,保留原文意涵。


脚注/附注:
此处“Integral World”译为《整体世界》,但为保持原文一致,此处直接引用原文标题。


简体中文翻译:

整合 Diperna 的洞见
Diperna2004)在《Integral World》中的文章加深了这一图谱,强调这些不同状态并非随机或孤立的现象,而是构成了一个整体发展连续体的一部分。Diperna 论述觉醒(waking up的过程不仅关乎垂直成长(超越自我),也关乎横向发展——一种在日常体验中展开、更加深刻、充实的临在。根据 Diperna 的说法:

通过梦境与深睡、细微与根源领域的相互作用,我们被邀请去看到,我们平常的清醒意识不过是一个更大光谱中的一个方面——在这个光谱中,每种状态都携带着其独特的转化潜力。

这一整合视角肯定了以下几点:

清醒状态(支点7)是我们的日常现实,在自然神秘体验者体验的瞬间,它可以揭示出更深的统一性。
梦境状态(支点8)开启了通向细微丰富象征性世界的大门,在那里原型能量得以切实体验。
深睡状态(支点9)则提供了根源、无形纯然存在根基的一丝体验。
最终,不二根基(支点10)将这些表现统一为一个永恒存在的如是

因此,Diperna 的文章进一步强化了威尔伯的主张:这些状态是同一潜在觉知的相互关联的表达——这一真相既可以在我们夜间的梦中,也可以在深睡寂静的时刻中获得。

结论
·威尔伯的超个人支点为我们提供了一份详细的体验性地图,展示了我们的意识如何从平常的清醒状态演变为更深、更统一的存在模式。正如他对支点7的生动描述——一位在散步中与山融为一体的自然神秘体验者修行者——清醒状态蕴含着与世界短暂融合的潜能。

在支点8中,类似梦境状态,心智展开成丰富的象征性景观,显现出细微能量和原型形式;而在支点9中,无梦深睡状态则暗示了一种深邃、无形的觉知——一种构成所有现象根基的根源场域。
最后,支点10则是那种不二证悟,它溶解了所有界限,显示出清醒、梦境和深睡仅仅是同一永恒、无分裂意识的不同表达。

综合威尔伯的这些洞见——并结合 Diperna 的整合性评论——为我们提供了一种全面而切身的理解,即我们如何从碎片化的自我感中走向对包罗万象、无二存在的觉悟。


原文:

"Integrating Diperna’s Insights The article by Diperna (2004) on Integral World deepens this map by highlighting how these different states are not random or isolated phenomena but part of an overarching developmental continuum. Diperna writes of the “waking up” process as not only a matter of vertical growth (transcending the ego) but also of horizontal development—a deepening, fuller presence that unfolds in daily experience. According to Diperna:

“Through the interplay of dreams and deep sleep, the subtle and the causal realms, we are invited to see that our ordinary, waking consciousness is but one facet of a much larger spectrum—a spectrum where every state carries its own transformative potential.”

This integrative perspective affirms that:

The waking state (fulcrum 7) is our everyday reality that can, in moments of nature mysticism, reveal its deeper unity. The dream state (fulcrum 8) opens the door to the rich, symbolic world of the subtle, where archetypal energies are palpably experienced. The deep sleep state (fulcrum 9) offers a taste of the causal, formless ground of pure being. And ultimately, the nondual ground (fulcrum 10) unifies these expressions into a single, ever-present Suchness. Diperna’s article thus reinforces Wilber’s claim that these states are interrelated expressions of the same underlying consciousness—a truth that is accessible both in our nightly dreams and in the quiet moments of deep sleep.

Conclusion Ken Wilber’s transpersonal fulcrums provide a detailed experiential map of how our consciousness evolves from the ordinary waking state into deeper, more unified modes of being. As illustrated by his evocative description of fulcrum 7—where a nature mystic on a walk becomes one with the mountain—the waking state holds the potential for momentary fusion with the world

At fulcrum 8, akin to the dream state, the mind unfolds into rich, symbolic landscapes that reveal subtle energies and archetypal forms, while at fulcrum 9 the dreamless sleep state hints at a profound, formless awareness—a causal ground that underlies all phenomena.

And ultimately, fulcrum 10 is the nondual realization that dissolves all boundaries, showing that waking, dreaming, and deep sleep are simply different expressions of the same eternal, unfragmented consciousness

Together, these insights from Wilber—and enriched by Diperna’s integrative commentary—offer a comprehensive, lived understanding of how we can move from a fragmented sense of self toward the realization of an all-encompassing, nondual Being.


脚注/附注:

  1. “fulcrum” 保持译作支点“Suchness” 译为如是
  2. 书名及网站名称均保持原文英文不变。

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段落 1

简体中文翻译:

“Mere vividness of clarity is not enlightenment
仅仅清晰生动并不等同于开悟

Session Start: Sunday, August 27, 2006
会议开始:2006827日,星期日

(12:12 PM) John: Read ur email about the ken wilber page 250.
12:12 PMJohn:读一下你关于肯·威尔伯第250页的电子邮件。

(12:12 PM) AEN: ok wait
12:12 PMAEN:好,等等。

(12:13 PM) AEN: icic
12:13 PMAEN:明白明白。

(12:13 PM) John: fulcrum 10 is the peak of no-self (comments by Soh: actually as clarified later, it is more of substantialist nondual but not yet anatta realization) and beginning to understand emptiness as it is but not necessarily understood the meaning of emptiness.
12:13 PMJohn:支点10是无我之巅(Soh 注:其实后来澄清,这更像是一种实体论式的不二体验,但还未达到无我证悟),并且是开始理解本然之实相,但不一定完全领会的意义。

(12:13 PM) AEN: oic..
12:13 PMAEN:明白……

(12:14 PM) John: to date, ken wilber's description of enlightenment is closest to my description. (Note by Soh: However, Ken Wilber's understanding is still more of Stage 4 nondual, not yet anatta and emptiness as John Tan later clarified)
12:14 PMJohn:到目前为止,肯·威尔伯对开悟的描述最接近我的描述。(Soh 注:然而,肯·威尔伯的理解仍更属于第四阶段的不二体验,还未达到无我和空性的证悟,如 John Tan 后来所澄清)

(12:14 PM) John: it is from fulcrum 9-10
12:14 PMJohn:它是从支点9至支点10开始的。

(12:14 PM) AEN: icic..
12:14 PMAEN:明白明白……

(12:15 PM) John: except that fulcrum 7-9 is waking, dreaming and dreamless is what i told u should not be followed.
12:15 PMJohn:只是支点7到支点9清醒、梦中和无梦状态,那是我告诉你不该遵循的。

(12:15 PM) AEN: oic..
12:15 PMAEN:明白……

(12:15 PM) John: let's take longchen for example, from his understanding and my description to him, where do u think i am leading him?
12:15 PMJohn:以 Longchen 为例,从他的理解和我对他的描述来看,你认为我正引导他走向何处?

(12:16 PM) AEN: emptienss?
12:16 PMAEN:空性?

(12:16 PM) AEN: no-self and emptiness
12:16 PMAEN:无我和空性

(12:16 PM) AEN: lol
12:16 PMAEN:哈哈

(12:16 PM) John: yes
12:16 PMJohn:是的

(12:16 PM) John: so where was he when he first communicated with u?
12:16 PMJohn:那么他第一次和你交流时处于什么状态?

(12:16 PM) AEN: i nterms of falcrum?
12:16 PMAEN:就支点而言?

(12:17 PM) John: yeah
12:17 PMJohn:对

(12:17 PM) AEN: falcrum 9-1?
12:17 PMAEN:支点9-1

(12:17 PM) John: yes
12:17 PMJohn:是的

(12:17 PM) John: did he go through 7 and 8?
12:17 PMJohn:他经历过支点7和支点8吗?

(12:17 PM) AEN: no
12:17 PMAEN:没有

(12:18 PM) John: okie then how is one to experience fulcrum 9? That is what i disagree. :)
12:18 PMJohn:好吧,那么一个人应如何体验支点9?这正是我不同意的地方。 :)

(12:18 PM) John: in fact true enlightenment should only start at 9.
12:18 PMJohn:实际上真正的开悟应该只从支点9开始。

(12:18 PM) John: and a glimpse of our nature starts at 9.
12:18 PMJohn:而我们本性的微见也始于支点9

(12:18 PM) AEN: oic
12:18 PMAEN:明白

(12:19 PM) AEN: u mean he said otherwise?
12:19 PMAEN:你的意思是他另有所说?

(12:19 PM) John: 7 can be the result of mindfulness
12:19 PMJohn:支点7可能是正念(保持清明觉照)的结果。

(12:19 PM) AEN: which page is 7
12:19 PMAEN:支点7在哪一页?

(12:19 PM) John: page 7?
12:19 PMJohn:第7页?

(12:19 PM) John: i mean fulcrum 7
12:19 PMJohn:我是指支点7

(12:19 PM) AEN: oh ok found it
12:19 PMAEN:哦,好吧,找到了。

(12:19 PM) AEN: icic..
12:19 PMAEN:明白明白……

(12:20 PM) John: mindfulness can lead us to fulcrum 7. That is the result of being mindful and non conceptual.
12:20 PMJohn:正念可以引领我们达到支点7。这是正念与非概念化状态的结果。

(12:20 PM) John: but our true nature isn't experienced... means there is no this sudden awareness of "I AMness". (Soh: Also see: 1) Thusness/PasserBy's Seven Stages of Enlightenment (Available in Languages: AR, DA, DE, EN, ES, FR, HI, ID, IT, JA, KO, NE, PL, PT-BR, PT-PT, RU, TA, TH, VI, ZH) )
12:20 PMJohn:但是我们的本性并没有被直接体验……意味着没有那种突如其来的我是/本我觉知。(Soh 注:另见《Thusness/PasserBy 的七阶段开悟》,提供多种语言版本)

(12:21 PM) AEN: oic..
12:21 PMAEN:明白……

(12:21 PM) John: this "I AMness" is a natural progression when the karmic propensities is still very strong and yet there is a sudden glimpse of our nature.
12:21 PMJohn:这种我是/本我觉知是一种自然的进展,当业力倾向依然强烈,但又突然瞥见我们本性时就会出现。

(12:21 PM) AEN: icic
12:21 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:21 PM) John: at that moment, one is not able to discern what is the meaning of no-self
12:21 PMJohn:在那一刻,人无法辨识出何为无我

(12:21 PM) AEN: oic..
12:21 PMAEN:明白……

(12:22 PM) John: why no doership and why no I. Because the experience of that Presence (They experience it as ISness, as Pure Presence but yet still fall back to 'Self') because of karmic propensities and habitual energy.
12:22 PMJohn:为何没有施为者/主体和为何没有?因为那种临在的体验(他们体验为即是ISness)、为纯粹临在,但仍然会回归到(大)我),正是由于业力倾向和习惯能量所致。

(12:23 PM) John: They were being misled by the hypnotic spell of 'I'.
12:23 PMJohn:他们被的催眠咒语所误导。

(12:23 PM) John: and how to break this spell?
12:23 PMJohn:那如何破除这种咒语呢?

(12:23 PM) AEN: icic
12:23 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:23 PM) John: the experience is there but there is no clarity, this is the problem.
12:23 PMJohn:体验存在,但缺乏清晰,这正是问题所在。

(12:23 PM) AEN: oic
12:23 PMAEN:明白

(12:24 PM) AEN: eh btw page 184 about falcrum 7, there is some sort of nondualism experience?
12:24 PMAEN:顺便问一下,关于支点7的第184页,好像有某种无二体验?

(12:24 PM) John: so one must know exactly the stage to lead to the next stage by carefully breaking that spell of identification.
12:24 PMJohn:所以必须确切知道每个阶段如何引向下一阶段,通过仔细破除那种认同的咒语。

(12:24 PM) AEN: 'u're on a nature walk.... and suddenly you look at a beautiful mountain and wham - there is no looker - just the mountain
12:24 PMAEN:你就像在自然漫步……突然你望向一座美丽的山,砰——没有观看者,只有山。

(12:24 PM) AEN: icic
12:24 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:24 PM) John: yes that is experience of clarity without knowing the nature.
12:24 PMJohn:是的,那就是那种对本性毫无认知的清晰体验。

(12:24 PM) AEN: oic
12:24 PMAEN:明白

(12:25 PM) John: it is a stage
12:25 PMJohn:那是一个阶段。

(12:25 PM) AEN: not 'i amness'?
12:25 PMAEN:不是我是/本我吗?

(12:25 PM) John: yes..
12:25 PMJohn:是的……

(12:25 PM) John: means one can experience clarity but has no understanding of AMness.
12:25 PMJohn:意味着一个人可以体验到清晰,但不明白我是/本我

(12:25 PM) AEN: o hmm last time i tink maybe i experience falcrum 7
12:25 PMAEN:哦,嗯,上次我想也许我体验到了支点7

(12:25 PM) AEN: hahaha
12:25 PMAEN:哈哈哈

(12:25 PM) John: he must continue to practice
12:25 PMJohn:他必须继续修行。

(12:25 PM) AEN: icic
12:25 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:25 PM) John: yeah...
12:25 PMJohn:是的……

(12:26 PM) John: when u told me about the clarity about the awareness that everything seems so clear and real.
12:26 PMJohn:当你告诉我那种觉知使一切看起来如此清晰和真实。

(12:26 PM) John: this experience is come and go.
12:26 PMJohn:这种【体验】来来去去。

(12:26 PM) John: and i told u to see, the scenery but no one there.
12:26 PMJohn:我告诉你,看那风景,却没有人/我。

(12:26 PM) AEN: icic
12:26 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:26 PM) John: that is the vividness, the clarity... all these are the attributes of awareness
12:26 PMJohn:那就是那种生动、清晰……所有这些都是觉知的属性。

(12:27 PM) John: now i tell u to experience the calmness to gather strength
12:27 PMJohn:现在我告诉你去体验那种平静以积聚力量。

(12:27 PM) AEN: oic..
12:27 PMAEN:明白……

(12:27 PM) John: stillness of body and mind
12:27 PMJohn:身心的静止。

(12:27 PM) John: this is tranquility and calmness, not clarity and luminosity
12:27 PMJohn:这就是宁静与平静,而不是清晰与光明。

(12:27 PM) AEN: icic
12:27 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:28 PM) John: so one can experience clarity and vividness but the path of enlightenment hasn't start yet.
12:28 PMJohn:所以一个人可以体验到清晰与生动,但开悟之路尚未开始。

(12:28 PM) AEN: oic
12:28 PMAEN:明白

(12:28 PM) John: there must be this intuitive understanding of "I AMness" then it begins.
12:28 PMJohn:必须要有这种对我是/本我直观的体悟,开悟才会开始。

(12:29 PM) John: like eckhart tolle
12:29 PMJohn:就像 Eckhart Tolle(“当下的力量作者埃克哈特·托利) 那样

当下的力量(珍藏版) (豆瓣)

(12:29 PM) AEN: icic
12:29 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:29 PM) John: like longchen and ken wilber... all these ppl experience the 'Self'.
12:29 PMJohn:就像 Longchen 和肯·威尔伯……这些人都体验到本我/大我

(12:29 PM) John: the 'Self' is a misunderstood version.
12:29 PMJohn:但本我/大我是一种被误解的版本。

(12:30 PM) AEN: oic
12:30 PMAEN:明白

(12:30 PM) John: When I told longchen first there is no I, no self yet there is Presence, he confused.
12:30 PMJohn:当我第一次告诉 Longchen“没有我、没有我,而只有临在时,他很困惑。

(12:30 PM) John: remember?
12:30 PMJohn:记得吗?

(12:30 PM) AEN: ya
12:30 PMAEN:是的

(12:31 PM) John: then he was thinking can one experience to a high stage but yet is still ignorance of the source... this is the question he asked bob.
12:31 PMJohn:后来他在想,一个人是否能体验到高层次,却依然对根源一无所知……这是他问 Bob 的问题。

(12:31 PM) AEN: oic
12:31 PMAEN:明白

(12:31 PM) John: remember?
12:31 PMJohn:记得吗?

(12:31 PM) AEN: not too sure
12:31 PMAEN:不太确定

(12:31 PM) AEN: which post?
12:31 PMAEN:哪一篇帖子?

(12:31 PM) John: hmm.... what is his site url>
12:31 PMJohn:嗯……他的站点网址是什么?

(12:31 PM) John: heheeh
12:31 PMJohn:呵呵……

(12:31 PM) AEN: wait
12:31 PMAEN:等等

(12:31 PM) AEN: http://simpo.proboards20.com
12:31 PMAENhttp://simpo.proboards20.com

(12:31 PM) John: u r the one that send me the post what.
12:31 PMJohn:你是发给我那篇帖子的那个人。

(12:32 PM) John: kok ur head
12:32 PMJohn:你脑子瓜呢?

(12:32 PM) John: lol
12:32 PMJohn:哈哈

(12:32 PM) AEN: hahaha
12:32 PMAEN:哈哈哈

(12:32 PM) AEN: i mean around when?
12:32 PMAEN:我是说,大概是什么时候?

(12:53 PM) John: http://simpo.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=insight&action=display&thread=1118915725
12:53 PMJohnhttp://simpo.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=insight&action=display&thread=1118915725

(12:54 PM) John: ahaha....
12:54 PMJohn:啊哈哈…… (12:54 PM) John: me of Me. :)
12:54 PMJohn我之我 :)

(12:54 PM) AEN: oic..
12:54 PMAEN:明白……

(12:54 PM) John: wah... take so long to look for this post that u send me. :P
12:54 PMJohn:哇……找你发给我的那篇帖子找了好久。 :P

(12:55 PM) AEN: yea hahaha... thanks for looking
12:55 PMAEN:是啊,哈哈哈……谢谢你找。

(12:55 PM) John: Reply #8 on Oct 24, 2005, 12:39am
12:55 PMJohn20051024日凌晨12:39的回复 #8

(12:56 PM) AEN: icic..
12:56 PMAEN:明白明白……

(12:56 PM) John: he was asking bob can one be so aligned with vast absolute yet not aware of the thinker of thoughts. :)
12:56 PMJohn:他问 Bob,一个人能否如此与浩瀚绝对对齐,却不觉知那思维者?

(12:57 PM) AEN: oic
12:57 PMAEN:明白

(12:57 PM) John: he doesn't dare to ask in religion/sects... :)
12:57 PMJohn:他在宗派里不敢问…… :)

(12:57 PM) John: lol
12:57 PMJohn:哈哈

(12:57 PM) AEN: haha why??
12:57 PMAEN:哈哈,为什么?

(12:57 PM) John: he said so what...
12:57 PMJohn:他说那又怎样……”

(12:57 PM) AEN: yea i mean y he wldnt dare
12:57 PMAEN:是啊,我是说他为什么不敢。

(12:58 PM) John: paiseh to ask lah... later say like all ppl in Buddhism forum not enlightened. :P
12:58 PMJohn:不好意思问啦……以后再说,就像佛教论坛里所有人都不是开悟的那样。 :P

(12:58 PM) AEN: hahaha
12:58 PMAEN:哈哈哈

(12:58 PM) AEN: icic
12:58 PMAEN:明白明白

(12:59 PM) John: it is important that he breaks through that witness and see it in manifestation, that is exactly what ken wilber said. :)
12:59 PMJohn:重要的是他必须突破那个见证者,亲见其显现——这正是肯·威尔伯所说的。 :)

(12:59 PM) AEN: oic..
12:59 PMAEN:明白……

(12:59 PM) John: in fact i borrow his books last week just because i saw this phrase. :P
12:59 PMJohn:实际上我上周借了他的书,就是因为我看到这句话。 :P

(1:00 PM) AEN: oh.. icic
1:00 PMAEN:哦……明白明白

(1:00 PM) AEN: haha
1:00 PMAEN:哈哈

(1:00 PM) John: otherwise no value.
1:00 PMJohn:否则毫无价值。

(1:00 PM) AEN: oic
1:00 PMAEN:明白

(1:00 PM) John: because it is very common for one to sink back to the source.
1:00 PMJohn:因为人很容易沉溺于源头。

(1:00 PM) John: but for his case, it is a bit unique... he dwell completely into manifestation.
1:00 PMJohn:但就他而言,有点特别……他完全沉浸在显现之中。

(1:00 PM) AEN: icic...
1:00 PMAEN:明白明白……

(1:01 PM) John: and he experience witnessing consciousness in all three stages.
1:01 PMJohn:而且他在清醒、梦中和无梦状态中都体验到见证觉知。

(1:01 PM) AEN: oic
1:01 PMAEN:明白

(1:01 PM) John: waking, dreaming and dreamless
1:01 PMJohn:清醒、梦境和无梦

(1:01 PM) AEN: icic
1:01 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:02 PM) John: but the way he puts it into fulcrum 7 and 8 before 9 is experienced, i can't agree.
1:02 PMJohn:但他把支点78置于支点9之前的描述,我不同意。

(1:02 PM) John: i think it is not right and dangerous.
1:02 PMJohn:我认为这不对,而且很危险。

(1:02 PM) AEN: how come/
1:02 PMAEN:为什么?

(1:02 PM) John: however i like his books because of his experience.
1:02 PMJohn:不过我喜欢他的书,因为他的体验。

(1:02 PM) AEN: wait falcrum 8 is...?
1:02 PMAEN:等等,支点8是什么?

(1:03 PM) AEN: falcrum 7 is dangerous? lol
1:03 PMAEN:支点7危险?哈哈

(1:03 PM) John: because that sort of practice is first not towards liberation means there is no wisdom in our nature but merely a stage.
1:03 PMJohn:因为那种修行首先并非走向解脱,意味着那只是个阶段,根本没有智慧。

(1:03 PM) AEN: oic
1:03 PMAEN:明白

(1:03 PM) John: next the tranquil calm that is most important for any practices isn't mentioned.
1:03 PMJohn:接下来,任何修行最重要的那种宁静平和却没有被提及。

(1:03 PM) John: that to me is not right.
1:03 PMJohn:在我看来这不对。

(1:03 PM) John: and very dangerous.
1:03 PMJohn:而且非常危险。

(1:03 PM) AEN: icic...
1:03 PMAEN:明白明白……

(1:04 PM) John: a correct practice should lead one towards calmness, purity and tranquility.
1:04 PMJohn:正确的修行应引导人走向平静、纯净和安宁。

(1:04 PM) AEN: oic
1:04 PMAEN:明白

(1:04 PM) John: this comes first then even one experience nothing about our nature is able to benefit from such fruition.
1:04 PMJohn:这必须先行,否则即使有体验,也无法从这成果中获得利益。

(1:05 PM) AEN: oic...
1:05 PMAEN:明白……

(1:05 PM) John: during death, ward off evils, solve daily problems, deal with mental stress
1:05 PMJohn:在临终时、驱邪、解决日常问题、应对心理压力时,

(1:05 PM) AEN: icic
1:05 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:05 PM) John: such calmness itself is the 'mantra', is the cure for all the above.
1:05 PMJohn:那种平静本身就是咒语,是以上一切问题的解药。

(1:06 PM) AEN: oic...
1:06 PMAEN:明白……

(1:06 PM) AEN: ward off evil as in
1:06 PMAEN:比如驱邪……

(1:06 PM) John: or serve as the base for it.
1:06 PMJohn:或者成为其基础。

(1:06 PM) AEN: oic
1:06 PMAEN:明白

(1:06 PM) John: yeah... when the mind is calm, there is little power over some person.
1:06 PMJohn:是的……当心静时,对某些人就没什么力量。

(1:06 PM) John: it is difficult to penetrate such a mind.
1:06 PMJohn:很难渗透进这样的心境。

(1:06 PM) AEN: o icic...
1:06 PMAEN:哦,明白明白……

(1:06 PM) John: therefore that must be the base of practice first.
1:06 PMJohn:因此,这必须首先成为修行的根基。

(1:07 PM) AEN: oic
1:07 PMAEN:明白

(1:07 PM) John: only when conditions are right and one is quite sure that the practitioner is ready, then it is appropriate to guide one towards dreamless and dream stage... and real qualified masters are needed.
1:07 PMJohn:只有当条件成熟,且确认修行者已经准备好时,才适宜引导其进入无梦与梦境阶段……而且需要真正合格的大师。

(1:08 PM) AEN: oic...
1:08 PMAEN:明白……

(1:08 PM) John: dealing with the mind itself into a realm that is not easily understood by ppl is dangerous.
1:08 PMJohn:把心直接引入一个人们不易理解的境界是危险的。

(1:08 PM) John: and those masters are sure themselves unless they are really high achievers.
1:08 PMJohn:而那些大师自己也必须是非常高成就者。

(1:08 PM) John: how many of them are truly so?
1:08 PMJohn:有多少人是真正如此呢?

(1:08 PM) AEN: oic
1:08 PMAEN:明白

(1:09 PM) John: therefore one should refrain from such practice.
1:09 PMJohn:因此,应当避免这种修行。

(1:09 PM) AEN: oic
1:09 PMAEN:明白

(1:10 PM) John: and teachers must correctly advise their students or followers their practices toward achieving the virtuous attributes of the mind.
1:10 PMJohn:而老师必须正确指导他们的学生或追随者,修行以达成心的美德属性。

(1:10 PM) AEN: oic...
1:10 PMAEN:明白……

(1:10 PM) John: and at the same time provide correct knowledge of our nature, leading them only when the conditions are right.
1:10 PMJohn:同时,还要提供关于我们本性的正确知识,仅在条件成熟时引导他们。

(1:10 PM) AEN: icic
1:10 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:11 PM) John: lol... otherwise if nub ask then i start telling them this and that or twe asked then reply this and that... then they are misled.
1:11 PMJohn:哈哈……否则如果有初学者问,我就开始东拉西扯,结果他们就被误导了。

(1:11 PM) AEN: oic hahah
1:11 PMAEN:明白,哈哈

(1:12 PM) John: rather lead them towards the experience of the tranquil calm, it will solve their problems and experience the benefits and fruition of chanting and meditation.
1:12 PMJohn:不如引导他们体验那种宁静平和,这将解决他们的问题,并让他们体验念佛/诵经和禅修带来的益处和果实。

(1:12 PM) AEN: icic...
1:12 PMAEN:明白明白……

(1:13 PM) John: then get them acquainted with dharma and have correct understanding of what our true nature is like.
1:13 PMJohn:然后让他们熟悉正法,并正确理解我们本性的样貌。

(1:13 PM) John: that's all.
1:13 PMJohn:就这些。

(1:13 PM) AEN: oic
1:13 PMAEN:明白

(1:14 PM) John: the page 250 of what ken wilber described is exactly what longchen need now, he must stabilize this experience
1:14 PMJohn:肯·威尔伯所描述的第250页,正是 Longchen 现在需要的,他必须稳定这种体验。

(1:15 PM) John: and return to the practice of tranquility and calmness through letting go to master the thought pattern.
1:15 PMJohn:并通过放下来回归宁静平和的修行,以掌控思维模式。

(1:15 PM) AEN: oic...
1:15 PMAEN:明白……

(1:15 PM) John: with this mastery, he is able to complete allow the condition of sleep to manifest as it is.
1:15 PMJohn:有了这种掌握,他便能让睡眠状态完全自然地显现。

(1:16 PM) John: now during night, sleep will definitely occur
1:16 PMJohn:现在夜间必定会进入睡眠状态。

(1:16 PM) John: why?
1:16 PMJohn:为什么?

(1:16 PM) John: because the conditions are there.
1:16 PMJohn:因为条件已经具备。

(1:16 PM) John: the mind knows
1:16 PMJohn:心知如此。

(1:16 PM) AEN: icic
1:16 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:16 PM) John: and is aware of it.
1:16 PMJohn:并对此有觉知。

(1:16 PM) John: right?
1:16 PMJohn:对吗?

(1:16 PM) AEN: 6ya
1:16 PMAEN:对

(1:17 PM) John: when the conditions are there, there is manifestation and that is itself the source.
1:17 PMJohn:当条件具备时,显现自生,而那便是源头。

(1:17 PM) AEN: oic...
1:17 PMAEN:明白……

(1:17 PM) John: when we din sleep, it is not that the stage is high but rather we are unable to allow conditions to be as it is
1:17 PMJohn:当我们不能入睡时,并不是阶段高了,而是我们无法让条件保持原状。

(1:18 PM) John: if we can enter into deep sleep, it is because of this
1:18 PMJohn:如果我们能进入深睡状态,正是因此。

(1:18 PM) John: one must observe the condition
1:18 PMJohn:必须观察那种状态。

(1:18 PM) AEN: oic
1:18 PMAEN:明白

(1:19 PM) John: when we are not able to take nothingness as an object which is so obvious during deep sleep, we are denying that condition
1:19 PMJohn:当我们无法把视为一个客体,而这在深睡时是如此明显,我们就是在否认那种状态。

(1:19 PM) John: it is a form of subtle attachment
1:19 PMJohn:这是一种细微的执着。

(1:19 PM) AEN: oic...
1:19 PMAEN:明白……

(1:19 PM) John: and also not knowing emptiness
1:19 PMJohn:也就是不了解空性。

(1:19 PM) AEN: icic
1:19 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:19 PM) John: an attachment to the self.
1:19 PMJohn:一种对我的执着。

(1:19 PM) AEN: oic
1:19 PMAEN:明白

(1:20 PM) John: natural awareness can be sustained but through another way.
1:20 PMJohn:自然的觉知可以以另一种方式维持。

(1:20 PM) John: that is, one is able to control the thought patterns and allow thoughts to subside
1:20 PMJohn:也就是说,人能够控制思维模式,使念头得以平息。

(1:20 PM) AEN: icic
1:20 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:20 PM) John: only after achieving this level, we have mastery we can go into it.
1:20 PMJohn:只有达到这一层次,我们才算掌握,才能深入其中。

(1:20 PM) John: that is achievement
1:20 PMJohn:那就是成就。

(1:21 PM) AEN: oic...
1:21 PMAEN:明白……

(1:22 PM) John: when u read ken wilber's book, do know about what can be practiced, what can't.
1:22 PMJohn:当你阅读肯·威尔伯的书时,你要知道什么可以修,什么不可以。

(1:22 PM) AEN: icic ok
1:22 PMAEN:明白,好的

(1:22 PM) John: when future u faced problem u must know what can solve ur problems
1:22 PMJohn:当未来你遇到问题时,你必须知道什么能解决你的问题。

(1:23 PM) AEN: oic
1:23 PMAEN:明白

(1:23 PM) John: it is always about the mastery of our thoughts (the capacity to slow down and settle it) in a mundane world.
1:23 PMJohn:一切都在于掌握我们的思维(即放慢并安定它的能力),在俗世之中。

(1:23 PM) AEN: oic...
1:23 PMAEN:明白……

(1:24 PM) John: then it comes to ultimate liberation and enlightenment, that is the intuitive experience of our pristine nature. :)
1:24 PMJohn:然后便是最终的解脱与开悟,即对我们本初本性的直观体验。 :)

(1:24 PM) AEN: icic
1:24 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:25 PM) John: for one that experience "I AM", one can still take another 20 years to experience what ken wilber said.
1:25 PMJohn:对于体验我是/本我的人来说,还可能需要20年才能体验到肯·威尔伯所说的那种境界。

(1:25 PM) John: it is just a 'spell' that bond and it takes more than 20 yrs for him to break.
1:25 PMJohn:这只是一种束缚的咒语,需要超过20年才能破除。

(1:25 PM) John: nothing changes
1:25 PMJohn:什么都不改变

(1:25 PM) John: just a bond
1:25 PMJohn:仅仅是一种束缚

(1:25 PM) AEN: oic...
1:25 PMAEN:明白……

(1:26 PM) AEN: hmm ask u arh, if a practitioner attains a very high stage this lifetime, will he still need to go through all the various stages ken wilber mentioned in the next lifetime? lol
1:26 PMAEN:嗯,我问你,如果一个修行者这一生达到了很高的阶段,下辈子还需要经历肯·威尔伯提到的所有各个阶段吗?哈哈

(1:26 PM) John: yeah
1:26 PMJohn:是的

(1:27 PM) John: as far as i know... hehehe
1:27 PMJohn:据我所知……呵呵呵

(1:27 PM) AEN: haha
1:27 PMAEN:哈哈

(1:27 PM) AEN: icic
1:27 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:27 PM) John: but don't worry too much... coz the strength of the practice is latent deep inside...
1:27 PMJohn:但别太担心……因为修行的力量潜藏在深处……

(1:27 PM) AEN: oic
1:27 PMAEN:明白

(1:29 PM) John: how is the channel now?
1:29 PMJohn:现在频道怎么样?

(1:30 PM) AEN: the buddhist channel? ok la but quite quiet.. still got some chatting but not much
1:30 PMAEN:佛教频道?好吧,但相当安静……还有些聊天,但不多。

(1:30 PM) AEN: and all the ops are gone
1:30 PMAEN:而且所有管理员(ops)都不在了。

(1:30 PM) AEN: last time got like 10 ops now only left 2
1:30 PMAEN:上次有大约10个管理员,现在只剩2个。

(1:30 PM) John: lol
1:30 PMJohn:哈哈

(1:30 PM) AEN: others all deregistered
1:30 PMAEN:其他人都注销了。

(1:30 PM) AEN: 2 as in including me
1:30 PMAEN:包括我在内只有2个。

(1:30 PM) John: msn better...
1:30 PMJohnMSN 更好……

(1:30 PM) AEN: haha
1:30 PMAEN:哈哈

(1:30 PM) AEN: ya
1:30 PMAEN:是的

(1:30 PM) John: have u read patanjali yoga sutra b4?
1:30 PMJohn:你以前读过《瑜伽经》吗?

(1:36 PM) AEN: Leonard says:
1:36 PMAENLeonard 说:

thats life - no chance to even go for the chanting .
那就是生活——根本没有机会去诵经。

(1:36 PM) AEN: how come? wat happe
1:36 PMAEN:怎么会?发生了什么?

(1:36 PM) Leonard says:
Leonard 说:

last night had dinner ....
昨晚吃了晚饭……

(1:36 PM) AEN: oic..
1:36 PMAEN:明白……

(1:36 PM) Leonard says:
Leonard 说:

sometimes i feel that karma is something that cannot be avoided ... i am trying so hard....
有时候我觉得业果是无法避免的……我正努力尝试……

(1:37 PM) John: yes... he can't.
1:37 PMJohn:是的……他做不到。

(1:37 PM) AEN: icic
1:37 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:38 PM) AEN: Leonard says:
Leonard 说:

i wonder how the buddha did it....
我想知道佛陀是怎么做到的……

(1:38 PM) John: a misunderstanding after the experience of the 'Self' is the creation of a super will. :)
1:38 PMJohn:经历本我/大我之后的误解,便会产生一种超级意志。 :)

(1:39 PM) John: Buddha didnt do it, he allows natural manifestation
1:39 PMJohn:佛陀没那样做了,他让自然显现。

(1:40 PM) John: That 'will' is a wrong interpretation of our true nature.
1:40 PMJohn:那种意志是对我们真实本性的错误解读。

(1:40 PM) AEN: oic..
1:40 PMAEN:明白……

(1:40 PM) AEN: do i say that to him?
1:40 PMAEN:我要对他说这个吗?

(1:40 PM) John: yes
1:40 PMJohn:是的

(1:40 PM) AEN: ok
1:40 PMAEN:好的

(1:41 PM) John: time to understand more about how 'thoughts' work
1:41 PMJohn:该多了解一下念头是如何运作的。

(1:41 PM) John: :P
1:41 PMJohn:P

(1:42 PM) John: when we take 'thought' and dwell into the content, we will be affected. There is no escape.
1:42 PMJohn:当我们沉浸在念头的内容中时,我们就会受到影响。无可逃避。

(1:42 PM) AEN: oic..
1:42 PMAEN:明白……

(1:43 PM) John: However by concentrating on the virtuous qualities of the mind and nothing about the content of thoughts, we will be able to dissolve thoughts.
1:43 PMJohn:然而,只要专注于心的美德,而不在乎念头的内容,我们便能让念头消融。

(1:43 PM) John: just the qualities
1:43 PMJohn:只注重那些品质。

(1:43 PM) AEN: icic
1:43 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:43 PM) John: there is no need to care about the content...
1:43 PMJohn:无需关心内容……

(1:43 PM) AEN: oic
1:43 PMAEN:明白

(1:44 PM) John: if he is able to dwell into those qualites, the content will subside
1:44 PMJohn:如果他能够专注于那些品质,念头的内容便会平息。

(1:44 PM) AEN: icic
1:44 PMAEN:明白明白

(1:44 PM) John: because all along this is being overlooked, it cannot serve as a 'mantra' for overcoming problems.
1:44 PMJohn:因为一直忽略了这一点,所以它不能作为克服问题的咒语

 

简体中文翻译:
为什么推荐 Eckhart Tolle 的《当下的力量》给初学者?
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管理员:
我还没有阅读该网站,但我相信 Nafis 能够做出相当不错的判断(尽管仅基于网上有限的信息)。

但总体来说,只需学习你所能学到的内容;如果发现它没有呈现终极知见,也不要因此局限于此。但这并不意味着你应该放弃那些未呈现终极知见的老师或教导,因为只要有帮助,它就有帮助。比如……我总是推荐给每个人、朋友、家人先读 Eckhart Tolle 的《当下的力量》——这本纽约时报畅销书全球销量达数百万册,而且通过 Oprah Winfrey 的推广,他迅速获得了更高的声望。

为什么我推荐 Eckhart Tolle 的《当下的力量》?

1)这本书语言简单,表达方式极具启发性,能带来改变人生的感受。相比之下,AtR Guide 可能并不适合所有人,可能过于冗长、吓人、或过于深奥,或仅适用于一部分特定人群。话虽如此,我仍强烈推荐愿意阅读的人(无论是删减版还是完整版)阅读 AtR Guide,我相信这对他们会大有裨益。

2)它的体悟仅限于我是/本我层面,并未涉及更进一步的无二、无我或空性的深刻洞见,但对于许多人来说,这已经足够让他们一段时间内修习。

3)书中对禅定实践和止观(混合了临在/我是)的训练有足够的强调,因为 Eckhart Tolle 在深入禅定三昧上的经验远超许多新型非二元学者,他们往往忽略这一方面。他的体验相当透彻,涉及我是以及其深度和强度,甚至包括作为体验的无二,但未必作为一种彻见/证悟/般若智。如 John Tan 所说,发展诸如七觉支(如平静、三昧、喜悦、清明等)的心理因素非常重要;而那些不重视这一点的人可能会误导他人,特别是当他们引导人们进入未经适当根基的改变状态时(例如在缺乏深度静定或某些止观训练的情况下)。Eckhart Tolle 被认为相当安全,并能为初学者指引正确方向(也许在追求终极知见和空性觉悟上还不够,但至少引导人初步觉知纯粹临在,并培养与禅定体验有关的能力)。

John Tan 与我对此均表示赞同。也就是说,即使起初的知见是理智的(即使它仅为概念性),人们也应从一开始就树立正知见,尽管不必过于理智。你可以像我一样在体验我是之前,从理智上了解关于无我、空性和缘起的不同阶段。你无需过于深入或过分理智(那样可能会形成另一种障碍,分散纯粹、天真体验性内观探究的注意力),但至少要明白正知见,以免被误导,或在达到我是后误以为已经达到终极,并不知道下一步该如何前行。但与此同时,你可以修习自我探究等方法,先证悟我是。(我从2006/2007年开始在理智上理解无我,从2008年到2010年修习自我探究,20102月体悟我是,随后在201010月体悟无我,空性则在之后的几年中逐步显现。)理智上对无我和空性的正知见使我从我是到无我的进程仅用了大约8个月,而我认识的大多数人则停留在我是阶段数年甚至数十年(即在今生中永远停留在我是阶段),而没有得到正确指引。对知识的理智/概念执著确实在某种程度上阻碍或延缓了我体悟我是的进程,尽管我还是在两年的自我探究中实现了这一目标,可能在我13岁开始学习佛法后67年内证悟。总之,正知见(即使最初只是概念性)与体验性、禅定内观实践之间应保持平衡。

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I haven't read the website but I trust that Nafis will be able to make a reasonably good judgement (although based on the limited info available online).

But in general, just learn what you can but don't get restricted to it if you find it does not present the ultimate view. But it does not mean you should abandon any teachers or teachings that did not present the ultimate view, because if it helps, it helps. Like... I always recommend people, friends, families to start with The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, the New York Times Bestseller that sold many millions of copies worldwide and he was catapulted to further fame through Oprah Winfrey etc.

Why do I recommend TPON by Eckhart?

  1. It is simple to read, can be very inspirational in the way he expresses, life transformative. AtR Guide may not be suitable for everyone, may be too lengthy/scary/indepth/etc or just not as inspiring, may be suitable for a more niche group of people. That said, of course, I do highly recommend AtR Guide (either the abridged one or the longer one -- whichever you can read) to anyone who is willing to go through them, I believe it will be of much benefit.
  2. Its insights is restricted to I AM only and not the further insights like nondual or anatta or emptiness, but it is enough for many to work on for a while.
  3. It has enough emphasis on meditative practices and shamatha training (mixed with Presence/I AM), because Eckhart Tolle has enough experience with deep meditative samadhi unlike many Neo-Advaitins which neglected this aspect. His experience is quite thorough, up to I AM and the depth and intensity of it, and even nondual as an experience but not as an insight. As John Tan say, developing these mental factors (like the seven factors of enlightenment - tranquility, samadhi, bliss, clarity, so on and so forth) are important, and those who don't emphasize this can be dangerous or misleading especially if they lead people towards altered states of consciousness without proper grounding (like in deep calmness, some shamatha training, etc. And John Tan has said that some shamatha is also important). Eckhart Tolle is considered quite safe and leads people in the right direction as a beginner (maybe not in terms of going towards the ultimate view and realization of emptiness, but towards the initial realization of Pure Presence and also training and developing meditative experience).

John Tan agrees with me on all these points. That being said, people should be instilled with right view at the start even if it is intellectual IMO, although it is not good to be too intellectual. You can have an intellectual view like I did about the different phases of insights, about anatta and emptiness and dependent origination even before I had the I AM realization. You don't need to go too indepth into them or be overly intellectual (which can form another kind of hindrance and distraction from pure innocent experiential/contemplative inquiry) but at least know the right view so that you will not be misled or think you have reached finality after you arrive at I AM, etc, and you know where to go next. But at the same time you can practice self enquiry, etc, to realize the I AM first. (I understood anatta intellectually since 2006/2007 but practiced self enquiry from 2008 to 2010 and realized I AM in February 2010, then Anatta in Oct 2010 and Emptiness in following years) Intellectual right view of anatta and emptiness shortened the time for me to progress from I AM to anatta into a span of maybe 8 months, where most people I know get stucked at I AM for several years or decades and most likely lifetimes (i.e. never go beyond I AM phase in this life) without the right pointers. The intellectual/conceptual obsession with knowledge did hinder or slow down the time it took me to realize I AM somewhat, although I still did it in 2 years of self enquiry, and maybe 6-7 years after first starting to learn about dharma at the age of 13. Anyway there should be a balance between right view (even if it is conceptual at first) and experiential and meditative inquiry and practices."


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John Tan 关于 Eckhart 的看法:
http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/10/the-power-of-now-by-eckhart-tolle.html

《当下的力量》—— Eckhart Tolle 的有声书(Youtube 版)

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《当下的力量》—— Eckhart Tolle 的有声书(Youtube 版)
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这是一本我会推荐给所有人阅读的书——无论他/她是佛教徒、基督徒、印度教徒、穆斯林、无神论者或不可知论者——只要他们对灵性持开放态度。该有声书由 Eckhart Tolle 朗读。

另外相关:

John Tan, 20064月,这是一本极好的、非常鼓舞人心的书。我也很喜欢阅读 Eckhart Tolle 的书。笑

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但《当下的力量》并非用作关于终极现实的经文。
就临在的触感而言,我更倾向于 Toni PackerSoh:见 http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/search/label/Toni%20Packer)和 Joan Tollifson(见:https://www.joantollifson.com/waking.html)。尽管他们的书可能不如前者那般鼓舞人心。

……

Isis,

不完全是那样。
我是/本我是一种超越性的证悟体验,在这种体验中,意识被直接感知为纯粹存在的感觉。此体验直觉性极强,超越了思维的范畴;它是一种无二且珍贵的纯粹意识体验。问题在于,将这种本质上属于心理状态的体验拟人化为具有固有存在的实体。

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会话结束: 2006416 星期日 02:54:40
去尽情享受《当下的力量》吧。
<临在> 哈哈,对。
<^john^> 这是一本好书。我也喜欢他的书。
<临在> 知道了。
<^john^> 但就临在体验而言,其光明的表达不会仅仅是那样。 :)
<临在> 明白了。
<临在> 怎么会呢?
<临在> Eckhart Tolle 应该知道该写些什么吧?
<^john^> ……我不知道。那种表达更像是我是 :)
<临在> 你的意思是 Eckhart Tolle 的?
<^john^> 是的。
<临在> 明白了,我同意。
<临在> 那他的表达与其他人的相比,在光明表达方面有何不同?
<临在> 顺便问一句,耶稣呢?
<^john^> 试试禅师道元。 :)

<^john^> 神的概念是个人化的。 :)
<^john^> 存在一种深刻的个体性。
<临在> 明白了,那是不是就像 Eckhart Tolle?你提过他有一种深刻的个体感。
<^john^> 这就是所谓的我是/本我体验感。
<临在> 明白了。
<^john^> 以这种方式体验神性就会产生那样的结果。
<临在> 明白了。
<^john^> 纯觉知是不同的。
<^john^> 有临在,但强调的是清明和光明的方面,
<^john^> 而且最重要的是现实的空性方面。
<^john^> 光明与空性必须促成自发的显现。
<临在> 明白了……
<临在> 我觉得这对我来说有道理。
<临在> 那么……
<临在> Eckhart Tolle 的书中,哪些词语能让你感受到深刻的个体性?
<^john^> 那种描述与 LongChen 的描述非常相似。 :)
<临在> 明白了。
<^john^> 他会理解的。
<临在> 对,没错。
<临在> 我问过他了,
<临在> 你看过他的论坛吗?
<^john^> 明白了。
<^john^> 没有。
<临在> http://simpo.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=insight&action=display&thread=1144668006
<临在> 我有他的书。
<临在> 在我看来,这书一般般。我认为开悟并不像他所描述的那样容易。基本上,他整本书都围绕临在这一主题展开。
<临在> 但我认为,他关于如何进入临在的方式在书中描述得并不清楚。而且,我觉得他也把我是/纯观察者误认为是纯觉知。
<临在> 此外,我们在开悟之后的生活并不会陷入停滞。我们仍会继续学习新知,加深理解。从某种角度看,我觉得这本书给人建立了虚假的希望。疗愈同样重要。
<临在> 无论如何,这纯粹是我的看法。
<^john^> :)
<^john^> 它相当鼓舞人心,就像你所说的那样具有转化性。
<临在> 对,没错。
<^john^> LongChen 现在对临在有了更深的理解。 :)
<临在> 明白了,那为什么呢?
<^john^> 但我认为,他关于如何进入临在的方式在书中描述得不够清楚,而且他也把我是/纯观察者误认为了纯觉知。
<临在> 明白了。
<临在> 但我觉得,他关于如何进入临在的方式书中并未被清楚地描述。——怎么会呢?
<^john^> 我没有那本书。 :)
<临在> 什么?
<临在> Eckhart Tolle 的书呢。
<^john^> 是啊……我读过,是我堂兄传给我的。 :)
<临在> 哦。
<临在> 你读了多少页?
<临在> 哈哈
<临在> 你堂兄是佛教徒吧?
<^john^> 是的……算是吧。
<临在> 明白了。
<临在> 那你读了多少页?
<^john^> 但他跟我谈了很多,所以我让他把书传给我。
<临在> 哦,明白了。
<^john^> 我喜欢读这本书……
<临在> 明白了。
<^john^> 但它并不能完整呈现临在的要义。 :)
<临在> 明白了……
<^john^> 它以纯粹存在的方式呈现了这一点。
<临在> 类似于用“Being”这样的词?
<^john^> 不是……
<^john^> 道元是如何表达的?
<临在> 不确定
<临在> :P
<^john^> 你知道毗婆舍那(意思是观察如其本然的实相)吗?
<临在> 看过一些相关文章,
<临在> 但我对它还了解不多。
<^john^> 明白了。
<临在> 更像是观察每个念头之类?
<临在> 或是感受呼吸?
<^john^> 它更多的是关于注意当下。
<^john^> 甚至是感知你双脚触地的感觉。
<临在> 嗯,Eckhart Tolle 确实提到过要把注意力直接指向心理情绪状态、身体等。
<^john^> 是的。
<^john^> 但那并不是我现在要讨论的部分。 :)
<临在> 明白了。
<^john^> 那么,究竟何谓光明与清明?
<^john^> 又何谓空性?
<临在> 知而不执吗?
<^john^> 当两者合一时,一下子是什么……
<^john^> 不会告诉你。 :P
<临在> 哈哈。
<^john^> 表达那种无法言说的临在究竟是什么?
<^john^> :)
<^john^> “听而无听者的最生动含义又是什么?
<临在> 成为听觉本身。
<临在> ?
<^john^> 每一刻都处于完全的融入状态,但究竟是什么?
<^john^> 空谈无益。 :)
<^john^> 那会成为你前进的障碍。


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"John Tan on Eckhart: http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/10/the-power-of-now-by-eckhart-tolle.html

The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle: the Audiobook on Youtube

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The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle: the Audiobook on Youtube
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A book I give to everybody whether he or she is a Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, atheist, agnostic, as long as they are open to spirituality. Audiobook spoken by Eckhart Tolle.

Also related:

John Tan, April 2006, "It is a great book and very inspiring. I enjoy reading Eckhart Tolle's books too. Smile

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But "The Power of Now" is not meant to be a Sutra about ultimate reality.
In terms of the touch of Presence, I prefer Toni Packer (Soh: see http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/search/label/Toni%20Packer) and Joan Tollifson (see: https://www.joantollifson.com/waking.html). Though their books are not as inspiring.

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Hi Isis,

Not exactly so. I AMness is a transcendental experience where consciousness is directly perceived as a pure sense of Existence. The experience is intuitive and beyond the realm of thought. It is a non-dual and precious experience of pure consciousness. The problem lies in personifying this experience which is a mental state into an entity 'Self' with inherent existence.

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d to enjoy "the power of now" pretty much.
<Presence> haha ya
<^john^> it is a good read. I like his book too.
<Presence> icic
<^john^> But in terms of experience of Presence, the expression of luminosity will not be just that. :)
<Presence> oic
<Presence> how come
<Presence> but eckhart tolle shld know what to write right?
<^john^> hmm...i do not know. The expression is more like "I AM". :)
<Presence> u mean eckhart tolle's?
<^john^> yes.
<Presence> ic ya i agree
<Presence> so how diff are his to the others in terms of expression of luminosity
<Presence> btw wat about jesus? lol
<^john^> try Zen Master Dogen. :)

<^john^> The idea of God is personal. :)
<^john^> there is a deep sense of individuality.
<Presence> oic then isit like eckhart tolle? u mentioned he had a deep sense of individuality
<^john^> This is the sense of "I AMness".
<Presence> oic
<^john^> The experience of divinity through this way will result in that.
<Presence> oic
<^john^> pure awareness is different.
<^john^> There is the presence, but the clarity and luminosity aspect is emphasis
<^john^> and most importantly, the emptiness aspect of reality
<^john^> luminosity and emptiness must result in the spontaneous arising
<Presence> oic..
<Presence> i tink makes sense to me
<Presence> so..
<Presence> in eckhart tolle's book
<Presence> what words do u feel have a deep sense of individuality
<^john^> it is the description quite similar to longchen descriptions. :)
<Presence> oic
<^john^> he will understand it.
<Presence> ya true
<Presence> i asked him
<Presence> u got read his forum?
<^john^> ic
<^john^> nope
<Presence> http://simpo.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=insight&action=display&thread=1144668006
<Presence> I have his books.
<Presence> In my opinion, it is so-so. I think enlightenment is not as easy as he had described. Basically his entire book revolve around the subject of the Presence.
<Presence> But, I think, the way of entering Presence is not clearly described in his book. And I think, he also mistaken 'I AM/pure observer' for pure awareness.
<Presence> Also, our life don't not come to a standstill after enlightenment. We still continue to learn new things and deepen in understanding. In a way, i feel the book built up false hopes. Healing is also equally important.
<Presence> Anyway, this is purely my opinion.
<^john^> :)
<^john^> it is quite inspirational and like what u said transformative.
<Presence> ya true
<^john^> longchen has a deeper understanding of Presence now. :)
<Presence> oic how come
<^john^> But, I think, the way of entering Presence is not clearly described in his book. And I think, he also mistaken 'I AM/pure observer' for pure awareness.
<Presence> icic
<Presence> But, I think, the way of entering Presence is not clearly described in his book. --> how come ?
<^john^> I don't have the book. :)
<Presence> huh???
<Presence> eckhart tolle's book leh
<^john^> yeah...i read it when my cousin passed it to me. :)
<Presence> oh
<Presence> u read how many pages
<Presence> hahaha
<Presence> ur cousin is buddhist isit
<^john^> yes...sort of
<Presence> oic
<Presence> then u read how many pages
<^john^> but he told me a lot about him so i told him to pass me the book.
<Presence> orh icic
<^john^> i enjoy reading it..
<Presence> oic
<^john^> but it cannot present the 'gist' of Presence. :)
<Presence> icic..
<^john^> It has presented it in the pure sense of existence manner.
<Presence> words like 'Being'?
<^john^> nope...
<^john^> how dogen present it?
<Presence> not sure
<Presence> :P
<^john^> you know about vipassana meditation?
<Presence> read a few articles about it
<Presence> but still i dun know much about it
<^john^> ic.
<Presence> more like observing each thought etc?
<Presence> or feeling the breathing?
<^john^> it is more about noticing the moment.
<^john^> even sensing ur feet touching the ground
<Presence> hmm eckhart tolle does speak of directing attention to the mental emotional state, direct attention to body, etc
<^john^> yes
<^john^> but that is not the part i m toking about. :)
<Presence> oic
<^john^> what is exactly the luminosity and clarity about?
<^john^> and what is emptiness?
<Presence> knowing without grasping?
<^john^> and when the 2 becomes one, what is it in a single blow...
<^john^> nope.
<^john^> don't tell u. :P
<Presence> lol
<^john^> What is this in expressible 'Presence'?
<^john^> :)
<^john^> what is meant by hearing without a hearer in its most vivid form?
<Presence> becoming the hearing itself
<Presence> ?
<^john^> every moment is in complete absorption, but what is it?
<^john^> It is no good to speculate. :)
<^john^> it will become an obstruction of ur progress.

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会话开始:2006512 00:50:26
^john^:网址是什么?
临在:
http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=185686
^john^:你之前的问题是什么来着?
临在:[00:39] 临在:——
[00:39] 临在:根据 Eckhart Tolle 在书中多个地方的说法,一个人可能需要经历强烈的苦难,才会被迫使活在当下,从而证悟,这在某种程度上与 Eckhart Tolle 本人经历相似。
[00:39] 临在:而且我还想问,为什么有些像 Eckhart Tolle 这样的人,虽然从未接触过任何灵性教导,却突然通过强烈的苦难证悟?为什么那些有自杀倾向的人却从未证悟?
[00:39] 临在:------------
临在:所以你是说,大多数人只有在经历了某种强烈的苦难之后才开始探询?
^john^:那只是对意识的第一次直接感知。
临在:明白了。
^john^:但很快这种体验就会被扭曲。
^john^LongChen 也有类似的体验。
临在:明白……
^john^:而且只体验到了光明的那一面。
^john^:为了突破并更彻底地理解光明的层面,必须经历无我的体验。
临在:明白了……
^john^:那就是个体性的消亡。
临在:明白。
^john^:意思是说,是一种既显现了无个体性与个体性清明,但不等同于空性本质的状态。
临在:明白……
^john^:如果我们能在这一阶段中安住下来,那已是极大成就。
临在:明白。
^john^:这是一个非二元的模式。
临在:明白。
临在:对。
^john^:而当心灵变得如镜般明亮时,可能会因专注于光明而产生神通。 :)
^john^:但不要停留在那个阶段。
临在:Eckhart Tolle 得了神通吗?
临在:笑
^john^:只有佛教中讲解缘起条件才会如此。
临在:嗯,对。
^john^:那是通向真正解脱的道路。
^john^:印度教详细讲解了光明的层面,但为何会被误认为是/大我/真我
临在:我那位台湾师父很久以前就拥有非常强大的神通,但我的师傅嘱咐他不要停留在那个阶段,直到智慧证悟出现。
^john^:是的。
临在:嗯,因为没有空性教导?
^john^:佛陀对这一阶段非常了解,也知道哪些事物是看不见的。
临在:明白……
^john^:正是般若智慧使人得解脱,
^john^:但它也要求必须具备这种光明、这种非二元模式来理解空性。
^john^:这不是一种知识的形式。
临在:明白。
临在:所以你是说,必须先进入非二元模式,然后才能证悟空性?
^john^:为了真正证悟空性而发生。
临在:明白。
^john^:它是自内而发的,
^john^:不是作为一种知识的形式。
^john^:而是首先以概念的形式被领会为什么是空性
临在:明白……
^john^:当沉浸于观察时,那只是纯粹的感觉、那是不动的临在,它就是那种的体现,能够理解空性。
临在:明白。
临在:但那种本身还没有完全证悟空性?
^john^:那不是通过测量和比较得出的知识形式。
临在:明白。
^john^:有一种直接、直觉的,它来自与主体的合一。
临在:明白。
临在:对,那就是所谓的非二元模式。
临在:?
^john^:它通过全然的投入和沉浸来知道
临在:明白……
^john^:让那种感觉缓缓浮现,每一部分都是现实、直接、生动且清晰的。
^john^:就像爱一样。
临在:明白……
^john^:当意识摆脱后,就永远是他者。
^john^:当某事物产生而又没有我时,那是你的念头还是我的?
临在:都不是。
^john^Pathie 不再担任版主了吗?
^john^:)
临在:对,她挺忙的……反正她也并不真的想当版主,之前问过我好几次。
临在:你想当版主? :P
^john^:当然不,我会比她更糟糕的。 :)
临在:哈哈,对。
^john^:没时间,也不希望最终陷入口角。 :P
临在:明白。
临在:好。
^john^:但你们大家真的都很有帮助。 :)
临在::P
^john^:你有没有读过关于 cittamatra 的东西?
临在:没有。
临在:cittamatra 呢?
^john^:嗯……你知道什么是 rang tong shen tong 吗?
临在:听过。
临在:是一个更强调佛性,另一个更强调空性吗?
临在:这是藏传佛教的说法。
^john^:一个强调佛性并非空,而除去我们的本性外,一切皆空。
临在:是指第一个还是第二个?
^john^:另一个则认为,连我们的佛性也皆空。
临在:[01:25] ^john^:一个强调佛性并非空,而除去我们的本性外,一切皆空。—— rang tong 还是 shen tong
临在:那你支持哪种? :P
临在:第二个?
^john^:我认为 shen tong 他性空
临在:明白。
^john^:而 rang tong 则认为一切皆空
临在:明白。
临在:那你怎么看?
^john^:在我看来,两种观点都对。 :) 我一直在冥想……
临在:两种怎么都对?
^john^:这只是我的经验。 :)
^john^:根本无需害怕消解到
临在:嗯,但这两种观点难道不矛盾吗?
临在:怎么可能两者都对?
^john^:我该怎么说呢。 :P
^john^:等等……
临在:好。
^john^:你知道哪种观点更被接受吗?
临在:我想藏传佛教的不同宗派支持的可能不同,像宁玛派更偏 shen tong——格鲁派更偏 rang tong
^john^:不尽然,我觉得 rang tong 更为普遍。
^john^:但我个人偏好 shen tong :)
临在:明白,为什么?
^john^:因为当同时体验到光明与空性时,就正如所描述的那样。
临在:明白。
临在:那 rang tong 呢?
^john^:但一切皆空也很重要,而且所有语言都无法表达终极,只能予以否定。
临在:明白……
^john^:这里重要的是要知道一个点,我相信其中有其道理。
^john^:等等……换个话题。
临在:你在看节目吗?
临在:什么点?
^john^:是的。
^john^“duan chang jian”(断常见)
^john^:P
临在:明白。
^john^:因为如果我们理解得当,空性就是一种健康的否定。
临在:明白。
^john^:你知道道教吗?
临在:明白……
临在:对?
^john^:我曾告诉过你消解至无
临在:是的。
^john^:因为真正的道家大师知道那会达到道,
^john^:并体验到真正的自性力量,即自然而然
^john^“zhi ran”
^john^:一种自然而然不断生长的力量
^john^:自性自然涌现
临在:明白……
^john^:自然的灵光。
临在:明白。
^john^:所以这种消解正是基于这种理解,因为他们已经体验过了。
^john^:他们不怕告诉他们的弟子:消解至无!
临在:明白……
^john^:只要不是理论上的,而是真正修行,他们就会知道。
^john^:道必须在自然而然中体验。
临在:消解至无——这不就是佛教所说的心灵净化吗?
^john^:是的。
临在:明白。
^john^:所谓净化,就是空性的净化。
临在:明白。
^john^:但 shentong 也不是错的。
^john^:没有积极的语言,很多人难以理解。
临在:明白……
^john^:但我们不应把它误解为/大我/真我
临在:明白。
^john^是痛苦的根源,
^john^:无论我们处于哪个阶段。
^john^:因此,必须谨慎使用这个词。
临在:明白……
^john^:我们可以达到非二元的阶段,但仍未证悟空性本质;
^john^:而我们却把条件起源看作是
临在:明白……
^john^:这就是陷落
临在:明白。
^john^:但不要把 sheng tong rang tong 的话题扯进来。 :)
临在:哈哈哈
临在:我不会的。
临在:但无论如何,为什么?
临在:我觉得新加坡论坛里很少有人讨论那种话题。 :P
^john^:)
临在:嗯,我是说……
临在:为什么不能讨论 sheng tong rang tong 呢?
^john^:当然可以讨论。
^john^:只是我不希望大家因各自的修行而过于兴奋、做出不必要的评论。
临在:明白……
临在:关于 shen tong rang tong 的问题——
临在:这种关于见解分裂的现象在除金刚乘/藏传之外的传统中是否存在?
临在:比如中国大乘?或甚至是南传佛教?
^john^:对于已证悟的人来说,做出负面评论和评判是不好的。
临在:明白。
^john^:我得走了……保重。 :)
临在:好。
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^john^:你有 Eckhart Tolle 的《Stillness Speaks》吗?
临在:有。
临在:我已经读完那本书有一段时间了。
临在:什么?
临在:顺便问一下,
临在:你的 Toni Packer 的书是从哪里买的?
临在:因为我怀疑新加坡的书店没有那本。
^john^‘Stillness Speaks’ 是后期写的吗?
临在:写于2003——但主要是 Eckhart Tolle 多年来在笔记中收集的短句集,颇似一部经文。
^john^:她的书非常流行,我想我是从 Taka 那里买的。
临在:明白,是什么时候?
^john^:大约1.5年前。
临在:明白。
临在:你买的是哪本?
^john^:所以《Stillness Speaks》是写在《当下的力量》之后的吗?
^john^:还有《The Wonder of Presence》?
临在:无论如何,Eckhart Tolle 最新的书我想是《A New Earth》,
临在:我想是2005年出版的?
临在:那本书非常受欢迎,
临在:几乎与《当下的力量》一样流行,
临在:但我没买,因为我没看到它。
^john^:《The Wonder of Presence》?
临在:《The Wonder of Presence》,明白……我一直在找那本书……会尝试在别处找找。
^john^:对我来说,无我的清晰表达非常好。
临在:明白……
^john^:虽然没有那么鼓舞人心。
临在:明白。
^john^:我还没有读过关于如是thusness)的书。 :)
临在:你最近在读什么吗?
临在:是吗?
临在:怎么回事?
临在:你写东西吗?
临在:呵呵
^john^:当然没有。 :P
^john^:也许没有什么能写出来…… :)
临在:明白。
^john^:只有在经文和诗中才能找到。
临在:明白,就像什么诗,
临在:以及什么经文?
^john^:我喜欢 cittamatra 的教义。 : )
临在:明白。
^john^:但总觉得还差那么一点。
临在:差在哪?
^john^:就如是的概念…… :)
临在:哦
临在:嗯,那有没有哪首诗或哪部经文谈到如是
^john^:你可以看看道元禅师的教导。
临在:明白……
^john^:这取决于个人。 : )
临在:明白。
^john^:你觉得《Stillness Speaks》怎样?
临在:相当不错——但如果有选择,我会先选《A New Earth》。
^john^:为什么?
临在:因为《Stillness Speaks》的篇幅比较短,更多的是短句集合。
临在:*相对来说篇幅较短。
临在:嗯,取决于你喜欢什么,呵呵。
^john^: )
临在:所以
^john^:我喜欢真正、实用的体验,即使它与我自己的体验不完全一致。 : )
临在:你明天 Vesak 节会去哪里吗?
临在:明白……
^john^:今天。
^john^:P
临在:今天,嗯。
临在::P
^john^:带我孩子出去。
临在:明白。
^john^:我得走了……保重。 : )
临在:好。
临在:晚安。
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会话结束:2006512 02:42:38

(7:14 PM) John:不要偏离佛法。
(7:14 PM) AEN:好。
(7:14 PM) AEN:明白。
(7:14 PM) AEN:偏离佛法是什么意思?
(7:14 PM) John:就是三法印。
(7:14 PM) AEN:但如果介绍 Eckhart Tolle 这样的书也可以吧?
(7:14 PM) AEN:明白。
(7:15 PM) John:我觉得 Eckhart Tolle 的书非常鼓舞人心,其体验的深度在那里。只不过我能与 Toni 的体验产生共鸣。
(7:16 PM) John:她提出的问题和清晰度,我与她深深共鸣。
(7:16 PM) AEN:明白……
(7:16 PM) AEN:明白
(7:16 PM) AEN:我觉得 Eckhart Tolle 的体验深度在那里。
(7:16 PM) John:我希望下一本书能有我想要的东西。 : )
(7:16 PM) AEN:明白,你想要什么?
(7:17 PM) JohnEckhart Tolle 的书是的。但我觉得不及 Toni 那个层次。那是我的看法,Toni 的书所表达的几乎达到如镜版的光芒万丈(mirror bright),但我就是无法理解某些东西。
(7:18 PM) AEN:明白……
(7:18 PM) AEN:无法理解什么?
(7:18 PM) John:关于空性,总觉得有缺失。
(7:18 PM) John:起初我以为这应该是一个自然的进程。

(8:29 PM) John:很多人写作只能达到 Toni 那个层次……我在寻找一些无方所/非局限性(Non Local)体验。
(8:31 PM) AEN:回来
(8:32 PM) AEN:你说的无方所/非局限性体验是什么意思?
(8:32 PM) AEN:为什么很多人只能写到 Toni 那个层次?
(8:35 PM) John:禅师拥有那种清晰度。而对于俗家人来说,我很少看到有人拥有那种清晰度。因此,当他们达到那种清晰度之后,很难写出其他东西。不幸的是,真正的禅师并不多言。 : )
(8:35 PM) John:当你倾听时,声音就在外面……我们能听多远?
(8:36 PM) AEN:是指物理距离上吗?
(8:36 PM) John:是的。
(8:37 PM) AEN:不知道啦,需要测量……哈哈……在相对层面上。
(8:37 PM) John:笑
(8:37 PM) John:等书出来再说……
(8:37 PM) AEN:嗯??
(8:39 PM) AEN:所以你是说 Toni Packer 没有谈到无方所/非局限性?
(8:39 PM) John:我不知道。不清楚她是否有那种体验。 :P
(8:39 PM) AENhttp://www.heartspace.org/misc/IndraNet.html
(8:39 PM) AEN

4. 无方所/非局限性 (Non Locality)

Indra's Net 撕裂了对外界固态、固定宇宙的假设或归因。一个宝石能从无限另一端反射另一个宝石的光的能力,对于线性、理性思维来说是难以理解的。所有节点仅仅是反射,表明没有哪一点是某种单一源头的起点。

(8:39 PM) AEN:那么你看过谈无方所/非局限性的书吗?
(8:40 PM) John:这真有意思……
(8:40 PM) AEN:《华严经》。
(8:40 PM) AEN:以及 Indra's Net
(8:41 PM) AENhttp://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=129929
(8:44 PM) John:你看过《超人》吗?
(8:44 PM) AEN:是的。
(8:45 PM) John:有一段他升出地球大气层并倾听……他听到了所有……
(8:45 PM) John:我喜欢那一段。
(8:45 PM) John:)
(8:45 PM) AEN:明白……
(8:45 PM) AEN:怎么会呢?
(8:45 PM) John:就像那样……
(8:45 PM) AEN:明白
(8:45 PM) AEN:哈哈哈
(8:46 PM) AEN:像观音一样 :P
(8:46 PM) John:是的。 :)
(8:46 PM) AEN:我师父说过类似的话……我没太明白……他说当你修行到一定层次时,在另一个宇宙中,当一朵花绽放时,你就会知道,
(8:46 PM) AEN:记不太清了,
(8:46 PM) AEN:我想不是指超自然能力。
(8:47 PM) John:你师父是谁?
(8:47 PM) AENven shen kai
(8:47 PM) John:是 sheng kai 吗?
(8:47 PM) John:好的。
(8:47 PM) AENteacher chen 是他的法嗣,负责传授一些重要法门。
(8:48 PM) John:明白…… li zhu 老师呢?
(8:48 PM) AEN:是的。
(8:48 PM) AEN:哦,地方师父。
(8:48 PM) John:所以当你说师父时,通常指的是 ven shen kai
(8:48 PM) AEN:是的。

(9:02 PM) AEN观音的修行是二根元通,无论世间有多少众生呼唤她,她都能听到并救度他们。因此,如果我们要在这个世界上成佛,即使在另一个宇宙中有花绽放,我们也会立刻知道,然后我们便会成佛。
(9:02 PM) AEN:我想他在开示录系列中也提到过另一个宇宙中花绽放的事。
(9:03 PM) AEN:在开示录系列中。
(9:03 PM) John:明白。你真是资源丰富。 :)
(9:04 PM) AEN:哈哈,因为我最近又听了一遍这话。
(9:04 PM) AEN:所以我记住了。
(9:04 PM) John:明白。
(9:08 PM) AEN:观音能倾听,因为她能通达自性之海
(9:08 PM) AEN:那是不是某种超自然能力?
(9:09 PM) John:这可能是通过深度清明实现的……与解除结(梵语sayojana巴利语sayojanasaññojana),又译为结使结缠,佛教术语,是指一个人内心意识中潜在的烦恼,它会产生障碍,将人捆绑在轮回中,妨碍一个人得到解脱,带来痛苦。斩断结缚,就可以进入涅槃。因结缚而出生的五种最主要的障碍,被称为五盖。)有关。
(9:09 PM) AEN:明白。
(9:09 PM) John:但正如我所说,现在不必深入探讨。 :P


会话开始:2006807 星期一

(5:33 PM) John:在《A New Earth》中有一章,Eckhart Tolle 提到过,触摸杯子或其他物品时,不带念头也不为其命名,然后感知它……你读过那章吗?
(5:37 PM) John:我前几天在 Borders 看到过。
(5:37 PM) AEN:明白。
(5:37 PM) AEN:那是什么?
(5:38 PM) John:对我来说,那是非常重要的一章。 :)


(7:03 PM) John:其实体验我是/本我很重要。
(7:03 PM) AEN:明白……
(7:04 PM) John:我发现,那些有这种体验的人如果能谦卑下来,他们对佛陀教义的理解会更深刻。
(7:04 PM) AEN:明白。
(7:04 PM) John:因为他们正处于最有资格告诉别人是否超越那个阶段的位置……
(7:04 PM) John:这是一个自然的进程。
(7:04 PM) John:而我认为,佛陀很了解这个问题,也正经历过类似的过程。


(7:23 PM) John:哇……Eckhart Tolle 现在几乎成了世界性导师。
(7:23 PM) AEN:哈哈,为什么?
(7:23 PM) AEN:对,的确如此。
(7:24 PM) AEN:他的书非常流行……真奇怪,怎么会呢?
(7:24 PM) AEN:而且读起来也很不错。
(7:25 PM) John:他是从个人体验中写出来的,极具启发性。 :)
(7:25 PM) AEN:明白……
(7:27 PM) AEN:我得走了……再见。
(7:27 PM) John:再见。


(12:19 AM) John:闭上你的眼睛,感受一下,就像 Eckhart Tolle 所说的那样,感受一下……感受地板的硬度……就像在正念中一样,那硬度是你的、我的,还是地板的?
(12:21 AM) AEN:都不是。
(12:21 AM) John:)
(12:21 AM) John:如果你能超越标签而变得无映像(imageless),就会有某种东西涌现。
(12:22 AM) John:当你不执着于这种涌现时,你就能渗透进物体之中。
(12:23 AM) John:物体的本质是意识。


(11:52 PM) John:我宁愿读 Eckhart Tolle 的书。 :)
(11:52 PM) AEN:笑
(11:53 PM) John:就像简单地触摸一个杯子,就能告诉你他体验的深度和他究竟处于什么状态。
(11:53 PM) AEN:也就是说,你认为 D.T. Suzuki 的译本挺不错。
(11:53 PM) AEN:明白。
(11:54 PM) John:而且我可以告诉你,至少《楞伽经》的前四章都在讨论这一点。 :)
(11:54 PM) John:当然,不是关于空性的那部分。 :)
(11:54 PM) AEN:明白……
(11:55 PM) JohnEckhart Tolle 的《A New Earth》以及那种关于当下体验的实用方法,会让你至少理解前四章的要点。 :)
(11:55 PM) AEN:明白……
(11:56 PM) AEN:那之后呢?
(11:56 PM) John:抱歉,是前六章。
(11:56 PM) AEN:明白。
(11:56 PM) John:只有关于空性显现的部分不足,虽然它谈到了显现。
(11:57 PM) John:而且只要读了,就能知道他究竟处于哪一阶段。


(12:04 AM) John:我一直在读那本书,并试图用我自己的方式表达。 :)
(12:04 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:06 AM) John:并不是很多人能有那种清晰的体验,而且还愿意写出来解释。
(12:07 AM) JohnKrishnamurti 是其中之一。
(12:07 AM) JohnEckhart Tolle 则简单、直接且实用。
(12:07 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:08 AM) AENKrishnamurti 真的理解空性吗?
(12:08 AM) AEN:你说的清晰与真实体验是什么意思?你说有许多开悟的层次?
(12:08 AM) John:那不是关于空性,而是他们的体验。
(12:08 AM) AEN:明白。


(12:10 AM) John:禅修、道元的教导,以及许多禅师的诗都非常美妙。
(12:11 AM) John:至于藏传佛教,我喜欢瑜伽行派。
(12:11 AM) John:真的很难找到能清晰表达那超越符号境界的作品。
(12:13 AM) John:而且对无我(我见)的概念表达得也完全清楚。
(12:14 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:14 AM) AEN:抱歉,他那本书的标题是《I Am That》。
(12:15 AM) JohnToni Packer 也一样……但写作风格能够更进步,如 Eckhart Tolle
(12:16 AM) John:有没有哪本 Dogen 写的好书?
(12:18 AM) AEN:不太确定…… http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590300246/sr=1-9/qid=1155140179/ref=sr_1_9/102-2935529-0357719?ie=UTF8&s=books ?


(11:59 AM) John:我喜欢 Ken Wilber 的《One Taste》。
(11:59 AM) John:他称那些评论他作品的人都是白痴。
(11:59 AM) John:P
(11:59 AM) John:笑
(11:59 AM) John:我是说负面评论。
(11:59 AM) AEN:哈哈哈
(11:59 AM) AEN:为什么?
(11:59 AM) John:太小气了……
(11:59 AM) AEN:笑
(12:00 PM) John:因为他们不理解他……毕竟他也是人 :P
(12:00 PM) John:你可以看出他的挣扎。
(12:00 PM) AEN:哈哈哈
(12:00 PM) John:他的开悟之路……
(12:00 PM) John:笑
(12:00 PM) AEN:明白。
(12:01 PM) John:其实我很喜欢 Eckhart Tolle 的书。
(12:02 PM) John:虽然我觉得他的体验没有那么彻底。
(12:02 PM) John:我认为那样更安全。 : )
(12:02 PM) AEN:明白……
(12:03 PM) AEN:安全?为什么?
(12:03 PM) John:因为某些体验被认为相当危险,可能会造成很大伤害。
(12:04 PM) John:只有非常有资质的师父才能传授这些方法。
(12:04 PM) John:因为这种体验被视为一种改变状态的体验,可能非常危险……
(12:04 PM) AEN:明白……
(12:05 PM) AEN:比如什么样的体验?
(12:05 PM) John:我认为,梦寐和梦中阶段的临在体验不应该被传授……而应该只讲空性显现的本质……
(12:06 PM) John:然后只专注于慈悲、智慧、平等心、耐心。
(12:06 PM) AEN:明白……
(12:06 PM) John:就这些……不要过分追求体验……一切会自然而然到来……只要时机成熟。
(12:06 PM) AEN:明白……
(12:06 PM) John:智慧不是禅修的阶段……
(12:08 PM) John:当我们的执着减弱,智慧(符号束缚消解)增长时,我们自然会体验到那种灿烂的临在,并推动进入梦与无梦状态的所有相关阶段。
(12:09 PM) John:根本无需做什么……过于焦虑某个成就或阶段极其危险。


(1:16 PM) John:起初我想买 Ken Wilber 的书……但我觉得复印也行。 :P
(1:16 PM) John:只要有那一尝万物理论
(1:16 PM) AEN:笑
(1:16 PM) John:因为它更偏向印度教而非佛教。
(1:16 PM) AEN:明白。
(1:16 PM) AEN:你是怎么复印的?
(1:16 PM) AEN:图书馆?
(1:17 PM) John:我在找那些超越无我体验,并将空性以非中心性和无方所/非局限性视角呈现的书。
(1:17 PM) John:我想知道是否有哪位修行者曾体验过,然后用文字表达出来。 :P
(1:17 PM) AEN:明白……
(1:17 PM) AEN:目前还没有?
(1:17 PM) AENKen Wilber 也从未写过吗?
(1:17 PM) John:不完全是超越无我的体验,而是更彻底地理解无我。
(1:18 PM) AEN:明白。
(1:18 PM) John:而且还能直观体验空性本质。
(1:18 PM) AEN:明白……
(1:21 PM) John:像 Eckhart Tolle 这样的书都不错,绝不应该过分强调任何一面。
(1:21 PM) AEN:明白……
(1:21 PM) John:要简明、清晰、明了。
(1:21 PM) AEN:明白……
(1:21 PM) John:但我在寻找更多。
(1:22 PM) John:我对那些多年真切体验过无我的人很感兴趣……呵呵。


(12:26 AM) John:坐禅非常重要,它能帮助你静心并提高觉知。
(12:26 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:29 AM) John:你必须先学会使身体静止,那种类似于身体下半部的体验必须扩展到全身。
(12:29 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:29 AM) AEN:我需要先经历某种定那样的体验吗?
(12:29 AM) John:第一次通常比较容易……呵呵……
(12:30 AM) AEN:怎么会?
(12:30 AM) AEN:哈哈哈
(12:30 AM) John:当你能使身体完全静止、坐着时,状态会稳定且安定。
(12:30 AM) John:然后就传到心上,
(12:31 AM) John:观察呼吸并使你的念头安定。
(12:31 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:31 AM) John:坚持练习,直到你能平息念头。
(12:32 AM) John:通过你的呼吸。
(12:32 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:32 AM) John:一旦你能使念头静止或平稳下来,就开始提高觉知……
(12:33 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:33 AM) John:直到你能充分感受到你的各种感觉、味道、触感……
(12:34 AM) John:去感受它们……
(12:34 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:34 AM) John:如果可能的话,思考一下 Buddhagosha 说的内容。
(12:34 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:35 AM) John:只有念头,而无思考者。
(12:35 AM) John:只有味道,而没有品尝者。
(12:35 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:35 AM) John:直到直接觉知显现。
(12:35 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:35 AM) John:如果可能的话,尽量在早晨……呵呵,或下午练习这法,不在夜间。
(12:35 AM) AEN:为什么不在夜间?
(12:35 AM) AEN:因为累吗?
(12:36 AM) John:不好。
(12:36 AM) John:只适合在早晨或傍晚。
(12:36 AM) AEN:为什么不夜间……
(12:36 AM) John:直到你能控制你的念头模式为止。
(12:36 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:37 AM) John:夜间就放松,做你平时做的事……比如上 IRCMSN、论坛。
(12:37 AM) AEN:笑,好吧。
(12:37 AM) John:在清醒状态下,练习正念。
(12:38 AM) John:当你的双脚触地……
(12:38 AM) John:当你的手触碰任何物体……花时间去感受……就像 Eckhart Tolle 在《当下的力量》和《A New Earth》中所说的那样。
(12:38 AM) John:当你咽下唾液时。
(12:39 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:39 AM) John:完全感受那种感觉……
(12:39 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:39 AM) John:然后放松,夜间不要练习这法……直到早晨……直到有一天你告诉我,你明白了念头模式与平静之间的关系。
(12:40 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:40 AM) John:以及如何误把觉知与“我”混淆,以及它们之间的关系。
(12:40 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:40 AM) John:那么,何谓喜悦与清明?
(12:40 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:41 AM) John:当你体验到无我并完全明白什么是觉知时,告诉我为什么它是一切”……
(12:41 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:42 AM) John:挑战并超越念头若未正确修习,会是一段痛苦的体验。
(12:43 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:43 AM) John:因为我们一直在使用念头,而念头会不断出现,
(12:43 AM) John:所以不要低估它。
(12:43 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:44 AM) John:多锻炼……
(12:44 AM) John:健康的身体有助于健康的心灵。
(12:44 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:44 AM) John:这会帮助你的修行。
(12:44 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:45 AM) John:当你能直接体验到时,告诉我你的体会;
(12:45 AM) John:当你能平息念头时,也告诉我……
(12:45 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:46 AM) John:然后回到你的佛法中心(dharma center),并参与保持与法接触的活动。
(12:46 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:46 AM) AEN:好。
(12:48 AM) John:是的……在禅修中,心中的内容并不重要,重要的是心的品质。
(12:48 AM) John:平和、喜悦、宁静、安详都不是心的内容。
(12:49 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:49 AM) John:即使在深度放松中,你也不想在心中闲聊,你只需放手。
(12:49 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:49 AM) AEN:对。
(12:50 AM) John:内容和意义根本不重要,
(12:50 AM) John:你不必理解任何东西,
(12:50 AM) John:根本无需理解。
(12:50 AM) John:所以不要担心,
(12:50 AM) John:只需感受那种感觉,
(12:50 AM) John:那原始的感觉。
(12:50 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:51 AM) John:但起初,你会思考,
(12:51 AM) John:什么是无我,
(12:51 AM) John:什么是直接觉知,
(12:51 AM) John:语言又是什么?
(12:51 AM) AEN:在禅修之前?
(12:51 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:51 AM) John:在禅修中,你肯定会问……
(12:52 AM) AEN:哦,好。
(12:52 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:52 AM) John:可以,但首先要平息心念,
(12:52 AM) John:在你思考之前。
(12:52 AM) John:当你思考时,也可以同时保持正念。
(12:52 AM) AEN:明白。
(12:52 AM) John:两者可以并行不悖,
(12:52 AM) John:这无关紧要。
(12:53 AM) John:当你体验到直接觉知时,概念和念头会逐渐被直接觉知所取代。
(12:53 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:53 AM) John:但你必须先以正念呼吸来平稳念头,
(12:53 AM) John:以掌控念头,
(12:54 AM) John:或者通过你的呼吸来平息念头。
(12:54 AM) AEN:明白……
(12:55 AM) John:你的考试是什么时候?
(12:55 AM) AEN:大约还有两周左右。
(12:55 AM) John:你最好开始学习……
(12:55 AM) John:笑
(12:55 AM) AEN:是的,我知道,哈哈。
(12:56 AM) AEN:好,得走了……晚安。
(12:56 AM) John:晚安。


会话开始:2006928 星期四

(9:03 PM) JohnEckhart Tolle 论坛……很多人已达到34个层次,但第五层仍远超他们,只有 JonLS 达到了。
(9:04 PM) AEN:明白……
(9:04 PM) AEN:谁达到了34个层次?
(9:04 PM) JohnChelsy
(9:04 PM) AEN:明白……
(9:04 PM) John:但她还不知道 JonLS 在谈什么……
(9:04 PM) AEN:哈哈哈
(9:04 PM) AEN:明白……
(9:05 PM) John:她目前被业力倾向所阻,这需要相当长的时间,因为她对 Eckhart Tolle 保持信任和尊重。
(9:05 PM) AEN:明白……


(9:49 PM) John:我真是对 ET 如何触动这么多人生活感到惊讶。
(9:49 PM) AEN:明白……
(9:49 PM) AEN:对,哈哈……
(9:50 PM) John:首先,超越标签和名称,去体验我们佛性。
(9:50 PM) AEN:明白……
(9:57 PM) AEN:我真是惊叹于 ET 如何触动这么多人的生命。——你就是第二个 ET ……呵呵
(9:57 PM) John:你脑袋怎么这么硬!
(9:57 PM) AEN:哈哈,对。
(10:02 PM) John:佛陀的教法已经足够完整……
John 说:
没有必要在其上添加任何东西。
John 说:
只需超越文化的限制,视其为指引即可。
(10:03 PM) AEN:明白……
(10:04 PM) John:唯一的办法是让 ET 自己谈论无镜映 :)
(10:04 PM) John:这样,他的追随者的问题就全都解决了。
(10:04 PM) AEN:明白…… ET 还在吗?
(10:04 PM) John:快了。 :)
(10:05 PM) AEN:那新地球呢?
(10:05 PM) AEN:我是说那本新书。
(10:05 PM) John:一样。 :)
(10:05 PM) AEN:明白……
(10:05 PM) John:这就是我为什么没买……
(10:09 PM) AEN:哈哈哈
(10:09 PM) AEN:你在和她说话?她也有同样的问题?
(10:10 PM) John:不。 :)
(10:10 PM) John:我是说上次那次。
(10:10 PM) AEN:哦,明白。
(11:29 PM) John:曾经说过关于无见证者的东西……希望我不会引起混乱……:P
(11:29 PM) John:最好快点走!
(11:29 PM) AENLOL
(11:29 PM) AEN:明白……
(11:30 PM) John:晚安!
(11:30 PM) AEN:晚安。


会话开始:2006929 星期五

(3:06 PM) JohnDin 已完全明白我想传达给他的一切。 :)
(3:06 PM) John:直接且直觉地。
(3:06 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:06 PM) AEN:你是说基于他在 ET 论坛上的新帖?
(3:06 PM) John:对。 :)
(3:06 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:07 PM) John:我真的为他感到高兴。他已经看到了无我,并开始直觉性地理解那些倾向,就像一次洞见。
(3:07 PM) John:这真是令人惊叹。
(3:07 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:08 PM) John:他是第一个体验到我所体验的一切,唯独没有 DO(缘起)。 :)
(3:08 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:08 PM) John:我认为 DO(缘起)会在稍后开始显现。
(3:08 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:08 PM) John:但这很难看见 :)
(3:09 PM) AEN:明白……所以它会自然而然地到来。
(3:09 PM) John:一旦一个人达到无痕迹状态,就无法被追踪。
(3:09 PM) John:笑
(3:09 PM) AEN:哈哈
(3:09 PM) AEN:你说的那是什么意思?
(3:10 PM) JohnDO(缘起)是深刻而微妙的。不是仅凭任何达到非二元状态之人的言辞就能说明的。 :)
(3:10 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:10 PM) AEN:所以你说如果他处于无痕状迹态,就没人能追踪到他?
(3:10 PM) AEN:如果他无痕。
(3:11 PM) John:一旦他处于无镜映(no mirror reflecting)”(的般若智),就没人知道他究竟是谁。 :P
(3:11 PM) AEN:明白。
(3:11 PM) AEN:我还是不太懂。
(3:11 PM) AEN:哈哈哈
(3:12 PM) John:不告诉你。 :P 没那么重要啦。
(3:12 PM) AEN:我从《法句经》中读到,魔王无法追踪阿罗汉的续接意识,你说的是这个意思吗?
(3:12 PM) AEN:这就是你说的意思?
(3:13 PM) John:大致如此。 ;p
(3:13 PM) AEN:哈哈哈
(3:13 PM) AEN:好。
(3:26 PM) AENhttp://www.aimwell.org/Books/Suttas/Dhammapada/04-Puppha/04-puppha.html#57

尊贵的 Godhika 比因某种疾病未能入定,便用剃刀割断了喉咙;但就在临死之前,他修习了洞见并证悟了涅槃。
魔王试图查找他的续接意识从何处产生。佛陀说,魔王无法追踪阿罗汉的续接意识。

http://www.buddhanet.net/dhammapada/d_saints.htm

92节:圣者的本性无可指摘

  对于那些不积累烦恼、善于反思食物之人,
  他们的境界是无名的,也是完美自由的虚空。
  就如翱翔于天际的鸟儿,
  它们的飞行轨迹难以追踪。

【解释】:充分认识到自然是空性且无对象的,心灵因无贪欲而不会留下痕迹,就如同鸟儿飞行的轨迹一样。

93节:阿罗汉的境界无法追踪

  对于那些污染被消除、对食物不再执著之人,
  他们的境界也是无名且完美自由的虚空。

(3:26 PM) AEN
  就如翱翔于天际的鸟儿,
  它们的飞行轨迹难以追踪。

【解释】:如果一个人完全摆脱了内外驱动其行为的影响,并且对食物也不再执著,那么这种人便将心灵聚焦于空性、无对象以及思维的自由。这种圣者的道路正如同鸟儿在空中飞行般难以被追踪。

(3:28 PM) John:对……在稳定之后。 :P
(3:28 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:30 PM) John:告诉别人关于他开悟阶段的任何事都是毫无意义的,
(3:30 PM) John:只有亲身体验过的人才能知道。
(3:31 PM) AEN:明白。
(3:32 PM) John:就像我了解佛陀话语的深意……呵呵呵,而 Din 也明白我的话……呵呵呵。
(3:32 PM) AEN:哈哈哈
(3:33 PM) John:我一直说真话。 :P
(3:33 PM) John:不知怎的,这话深深渗透进他的意识里。 :)
(3:33 PM) AEN:明白……
(3:33 PM) John:条件也逐渐成熟。
(3:33 PM) John:我在想 DO(缘起)究竟沉淀得有多深。


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The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle: the Audiobook on Youtube

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The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle: the Audiobook on Youtube Soh

FriendsSoh: A book I give to everybody whether he or she is a Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, atheist, agnostic, as long as they are open to spirituality. Audiobook spoken by Eckhart Tolle.

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John Tan, April 2006, "It is a great book and very inspiring. I enjoy reading Eckhart Tolle's books too. Smile

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But "The Power of Now" is not meant to be a Sutra about ultimate reality. In terms of the touch of Presence, I prefer Toni Packer (Soh: see http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/search/label/Toni%20Packer) and Joan Tollifson (see: https://www.joantollifson.com/waking.html). Though their books are not as inspiring.

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Hi Isis,

Not exactly so. I AMness is a transcendental experience where consciousness is directly perceived as a pure sense of Existence. The experience is intuitive and beyond the realm of thought. It is a non-dual and precious experience of pure consciousness. The problem lies in personifying this experience which is a mental state into an entity 'Self' with inherent existence.

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Session Close: Sun Apr 16 02:54:40 2006 d to enjoy "the power of now" pretty much. <Presence> haha ya <^john^> it is a good read. I like his book too. <Presence> icic <^john^> But in terms of experience of Presence, the expression of luminosity will not be just that. :) <Presence> oic <Presence> how come <Presence> but eckhart tolle shld know what to write right? <^john^> hmm...i do not know. The expression is more like "I AM". :) <Presence> u mean eckhart tolle's? <^john^> yes. <Presence> ic ya i agree <Presence> so how diff are his to the others in terms of expression of luminosity <Presence> btw wat about jesus? lol <^john^> try Zen Master Dogen. :)

<^john^> The idea of God is personal. :) <^john^> there is a deep sense of individuality. <Presence> oic then isit like eckhart tolle? u mentioned he had a deep sense of individuality <^john^> This is the sense of "I AMness". <Presence> oic <^john^> The experience of divinity through this way will result in that. <Presence> oic <^john^> pure awareness is different. <^john^> There is the presence, but the clarity and luminosity aspect is emphasis <^john^> and most importantly, the emptiness aspect of reality <^john^> luminosity and emptiness must result in the spontaneous arising <Presence> oic.. <Presence> i tink makes sense to me <Presence> so.. <Presence> in eckhart tolle's book <Presence> what words do u feel have a deep sense of individuality <^john^> it is the description quite similar to longchen descriptions. :) <Presence> oic <^john^> he will understand it. <Presence> ya true <Presence> i asked him <Presence> u got read his forum? <^john^> ic <^john^> nope <Presence> http://simpo.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=insight&action=display&thread=1144668006 <Presence> I have his books. <Presence> In my opinion, it is so-so. I think enlightenment is not as easy as he had described. Basically his entire book revolve around the subject of the Presence. <Presence> But, I think, the way of entering Presence is not clearly described in his book. And I think, he also mistaken 'I AM/pure observer' for pure awareness. <Presence> Also, our life don't not come to a standstill after enlightenment. We still continue to learn new things and deepen in understanding. In a way, i feel the book built up false hopes. Healing is also equally important. <Presence> Anyway, this is purely my opinion. <^john^> :) <^john^> it is quite inspirational and like what u said transformative. <Presence> ya true <^john^> longchen has a deeper understanding of Presence now. :) <Presence> oic how come <^john^> But, I think, the way of entering Presence is not clearly described in his book. And I think, he also mistaken 'I AM/pure observer' for pure awareness. <Presence> icic <Presence> But, I think, the way of entering Presence is not clearly described in his book. --> how come ? <^john^> I don't have the book. :) <Presence> huh??? <Presence> eckhart tolle's book leh <^john^> yeah...i read it when my cousin passed it to me. :) <Presence> oh <Presence> u read how many pages <Presence> hahaha <Presence> ur cousin is buddhist isit <^john^> yes...sort of <Presence> oic <Presence> then u read how many pages <^john^> but he told me a lot about him so i told him to pass me the book. <Presence> orh icic <^john^> i enjoy reading it.. <Presence> oic <^john^> but it cannot present the 'gist' of Presence. :) <Presence> icic.. <^john^> It has presented it in the pure sense of existence manner. <Presence> words like 'Being'? <^john^> nope... <^john^> how dogen present it? <Presence> not sure <Presence> :P <^john^> you know about vipassana meditation? <Presence> read a few articles about it <Presence> but still i dun know much about it <^john^> ic. <Presence> more like observing each thought etc? <Presence> or feeling the breathing? <^john^> it is more about noticing the moment. <^john^> even sensing ur feet touching the ground <Presence> hmm eckhart tolle does speak of directing attention to the mental emotional state, direct attention to body, etc <^john^> yes <^john^> but that is not the part i m toking about. :) <Presence> oic <^john^> what is exactly the luminosity and clarity about? <^john^> and what is emptiness? <Presence> knowing without grasping? <^john^> and when the 2 becomes one, what is it in a single blow... <^john^> nope. <^john^> don't tell u. :P <Presence> lol <^john^> What is this in expressible 'Presence'? <^john^> :) <^john^> what is meant by hearing without a hearer in its most vivid form? <Presence> becoming the hearing itself <Presence> ? <^john^> every moment is in complete absorption, but what is it? <^john^> It is no good to speculate. :) <^john^> it will become an obstruction of ur progress.

Session Start: Wed Apr 19 21:51:33 2006 Session Ident: JavaIRC Session Ident: JavaIRC (~actunoofl@bb220-255-177-93.singnet.com.sg)

<JavaIRC> why do u change ur nick to Presence? <JavaIRC> :) <Presence> cos eckhart tolle's book mentions it quite often :P <JavaIRC> lol <JavaIRC> :) <Presence> haha y u suddenly ask <JavaIRC> there are few things u need to know about presence. :P <Presence> oic.. wat are they <JavaIRC> when a person is free from symbols and labels, he becomes intuitive, direct and natural. <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> the sense of individuality disappears. What comes next? <Presence> hmm <Presence> awareness becomes clear? <JavaIRC> have not but there is a high degree of clarity. <Presence> wat u mean by have not? <Presence> there is still another stage u mean? <JavaIRC> Yes. <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> There is the experience of Presence. <JavaIRC> even "I Amness" is an experience of Presence. <Presence> oic <JavaIRC> however at this stage, one will be able and understand non-dual with certain depth. <Presence> icic.. <JavaIRC> directness will eliminate the illusion of subject-object division. :) <Presence> icic <Presence> ya <JavaIRC> so what is the next step? <Presence> dunno <Presence> realise the emptiness nature? <JavaIRC> yes. :) <JavaIRC> the no-self is just the first level. :) <JavaIRC> this is what that might be troubling longchen. <Presence> no-self refering to non-individuality? <JavaIRC> vedanta and meditative experience. <JavaIRC> the next deeper understanding is the emptiness nature. <Presence> icic ya <JavaIRC> does a fish has the same experience of sight on the same thing as we do? <JavaIRC> even without imputing labels and concepts? <Presence> no <JavaIRC> this is condition arising <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> even if one is without labels, symbols, concepts, no object and subject differentiation <JavaIRC> presence is unique from moment to moment <JavaIRC> always pure because it is free from labels <Presence> icic.. <Presence> oh ya <JavaIRC> but one might not know emptiness nature. <Presence> ven sheng yen said something about chuang tzu <Presence> hold on <Presence> http://www.chan1.org/ddp/channews/10-1987.html <Presence> In early Chinese literature there was a Taoist philosopher named Chuang-tzu. One day he was talking to another philosopher, Hui Shih, and they were both standing on a bridge overlooking a river. <Presence> Chuang-tzu said, "Look at the fish, see how happy they are." Hui Shih replied, "You're not a fish -- how do you know how happy they are?" Chuang-tzu countered, "You're not me, how do you know that I don't know how happy the fish are?" <Presence> These two men had very different perspectives. Chuang-tzu is at one with the fish, and really knows what they are feeling. Hui Shih still discriminates between himself and the fish, so he has no idea how they feel. <Presence> There's a Ch'an story concerning two partriarchs, Ma-tzu and Pai-chang. These two masters were walking, when a flock of geese flew over them. The elder patriarch asked Pai-chang, "What was that?" Pai-chang replied, "Those are wild geese." Ma-tzu then asked, "What about now?" And <Presence> Pai-chang said, "They've flown away." Ma-tzu grabbed Pai-chang's nose, squeezed very hard, and demanded, "They flew away?" Pai-chang's nose really hurt, and he started to cry, but then he started to laugh uproariously. People thought he went crazy. <Presence> At the beginning of their walk, when the geese first flew over them, what they saw was different. But at the end of the story they were both seeing the same thing. When Ma-tzu saw the geese, he saw them, as we say in Ch'an, with "no coming, no going, no dying, no being born" -- how then could he say that the geese flew away? When Pai-chang first saw the geese, he had the mind of <Presence> discrimination. When the geese flew away, his mind flew away with them. But when Ma-tzu grabbed Pai-chang's nose, Ma-tzu brought Pai-chang's mind back. When the pain was great enough, Pai-chang was right there again. He saw for himself that he was unmoving, that the geese were <Presence> unmoving. His tears and his laughter were both expressions of his joy. In the beginning they had different eyes, but in the end their eyes were the same. <Presence> The experience of these patriarchs is different from the story of Chang-tzu and Hui Shih. Chang-tzu was at one with nature, but he was still moving with nature. Ma-tzu was also at one with nature, but his mind was not moving, therefore, nature was not moving for him. <Presence> i dun understand the part where ven sheng yen said how chuang tzu is different from ma tzu <JavaIRC> wait that is the 3rd level of presence. :) <Presence> ?? <Presence> hmm come to tink about it i tink i understood wat ven sheng yen said liao <Presence> :P <JavaIRC> hmm....what do u think he meant? <Presence> brb <Presence> back <Presence> well for ma tzu he was not brought away by the flying geese <Presence> bcos he cld see the emptiness nature of it? <JavaIRC> nope. :P <Presence> oic then <JavaIRC> u remember once u ask me how do i know whether eckhart tolles has the same sort of buddhism enlightenment. <Presence> in forum or in irc <JavaIRC> in irc. <Presence> i tink so <JavaIRC> my reply is the answer will become a hurdle for u later. :) <Presence> huh? <Presence> cant remember that <JavaIRC> lol <JavaIRC> anyway even when one understand non-duality, it is not necessary that he/she has understood emptiness nature of reality. :) <Presence> oic <Presence> ya <JavaIRC> even he experienced the dissolving of individuality. <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> because of this emptiness nature, do not separate awareness from phenomenon arising. <JavaIRC> awareness has no-self, it is always otherness <JavaIRC> this is, that is <Presence> icic <Presence> ya <JavaIRC> the third is this emptiness nature when experience with non-dual luminosity must turn into the uncondition, abiding presence <JavaIRC> spontaneously luminous arising movement <Presence> what does it mean by abiding presence <JavaIRC> it is a perfect sense of luminous clarity that is always there. <Presence> icic <Presence> wait <Presence> what is the second? <JavaIRC> but at this level, nothing is analysed from its parts. <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> when a person speaks at this level, it is always speaking of the oneness and wholeness <JavaIRC> unconditioned, pure, abiding presence, permanence...etc <JavaIRC> all is from this level, not picking a certain part. <Presence> oic <Presence> so this is why mahaparinirvana sutras etc came about? <JavaIRC> it is always from an inseparable wholeness <JavaIRC> yes <Presence> oic <Presence> but wait whats the second level? <Presence> [22:28] <JavaIRC> wait that is the 3rd level of presence. :) --> <Presence> u referring to this level rite -- > [22:42] <JavaIRC> unconditioned, pure, abiding presence, permanence...etc <JavaIRC> yes. <Presence> oic <Presence> and that’s the 'highest' level rite <Presence> :P <Presence> lol <JavaIRC> second is the all is emptiness. <Presence> oic <JavaIRC> the 3 level of turnings <JavaIRC> the 3 dharma seals <Presence> and the first level? <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> non-duality without symbols. <JavaIRC> so don't mistaken hah <Presence> oic <Presence> u mean <Presence> theravada is about non-duality without symbols? <Presence> or rather <Presence> the 4 noble truths <JavaIRC> nope. :) <Presence> then <JavaIRC> do not differentiate, theravada has the same teaching too but misunderstood. <Presence> oic misunderstood in what ways <Presence> but wait <Presence> u are equating the 3 levels with the 3 level of turnings rite? <Presence> then in that case isn’t 'non-duality without symbols' = 4 noble truths :P <JavaIRC> during the journey of enlightenment, there is really no clear line of demarcation. <Presence> oic <JavaIRC> it is only for convenience sake that we said so. <JavaIRC> just like we say failure is the mother of success :P <JavaIRC> it is the beginning of success <JavaIRC> to be successful, failure is the seed. <JavaIRC> it is an entire process <JavaIRC> when we pick and analyse section of it, division occurs. <JavaIRC> :) <Presence> icic..

<JavaIRC> much is spoken about the gap between the two moments of thoughts <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> the non-duality that I told u. <Presence> oic <JavaIRC> wait...solve some math problems for my wife. :) <Presence> haha <Presence> ok <JavaIRC> back <Presence> hi <JavaIRC> anyway the third level of presence must undergo first and second level of understanding. <Presence> oic.. <JavaIRC> most ppl enter the non-dual and mistaken that they have reached the ultimate. <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> if that experience abiding presence, then it is <Presence> oic <Presence> so <JavaIRC> unfortunately the presence doesn't stay because it wasn't purified by the emptiness truth. <Presence> ppl like eckhart tolle <JavaIRC> so the understanding isn't thorough <Presence> even though they speak of 'presence' <Presence> it’s quite different from the '3rd level Presence'? <JavaIRC> it is the non-dual aspect. :) <Presence> but anyway i tot u said hinduism focused too much on Presence? <Presence> icic <JavaIRC> luminosity <Presence> orh icic <JavaIRC> not too much on presence <Presence> icic.. <JavaIRC> having said that, true understanding must come from direct experiences. <JavaIRC> it is only a guide. <JavaIRC> to prevent one from being misled. <Presence> oic <Presence> ya <JavaIRC> but u must also know that each level is a matter of degree of luminosity and clarity <Presence> icic

<JavaIRC> even one is experiences non-dual, there is subtle attachment to 'form' <JavaIRC> the transcendental experience that he/she experiences <Presence> icic.. <Presence> what kind of form <JavaIRC> like the analogy about the fish and us, even without conceptual fabrications, presence does not take any form even for a moment. <Presence> icic.. <JavaIRC> so seeing What Is, Is seeing emptiness <JavaIRC> Presence is so. <JavaIRC> u get what i mean eh? <Presence> tink so <Presence> ya <JavaIRC> i m speaking from the perspective of a person even he experiences non-duality <JavaIRC> but have not experience emptiness <Presence> icic.. <JavaIRC> without seeing emptiness, Presence is not true. <Presence> icic Session Close: Thu Apr 20 00:21:35 2006

Session Start: Fri May 12 00:50:26 2006 Session Ident: ^john^ Session Ident: ^john^ (~john@bb220-255-105-66.singnet.com.sg) <^john^> the url? <Presence> http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=185686 <^john^> what was ur earlier question again? <Presence> [00:39] <Presence> --- <Presence> [00:39] <Presence> according to Eckhart Tolle in several places in the book, a person may need to go through intense sufferings before being 'forced' into living in the <Presence> [00:39] <Presence> present moment, and thereby attaining enlightenment. which is somewhat like Eckhart Tolle's own case himself. <Presence> [00:39] <Presence> and i also want to ask, how come some ppl like Eckhart Tolle although never knew any spiritual teachings, then suddenly became enlightened through <Presence> [00:39] <Presence> intense suffering? Why do other ppl who are suicidal never become enlightened? lol <Presence> [00:39] <Presence> ------------ <Presence> and so u were saying, most ppl start to inquire only after some sort of intense sufferings? <^john^> That is just the first direct perception of consciousness <Presence> icic <^john^> but very soon the experience is being distorted. <^john^> LongChen has similar experience too. <Presence> oic.. <^john^> and only the luminosity aspect. <^john^> to break-through and have a more thorough understanding of the luminosity aspect, no-self must be experienced. <Presence> icic.. <^john^> the death of the individuality. <Presence> oic <^john^> means the clarity of no-personality and individuality but not emptiness nature. <Presence> icic.. <^john^> if we are able to rest in this stage, it is already a great achievement. <Presence> icic <^john^> this is a non-dual mode. <Presence> oic <Presence> ya <^john^> and when the mind becomes mirror bright, supernatural power might occur as a result of the luminosity with concentration. :) <^john^> but not to dwell in that stage. <Presence> eckhart tolle got supernatural power meh <Presence> lol <^john^> it is only in buddhism that the condition-arising is taught. <Presence> hmm ya <^john^> that is the way towards true liberation <^john^> hinduism taught the luminosity aspect in deep detail but why is it mistaken as 'Self'? <Presence> my taiwanese teacher since a long time ago was v v powerful in supernatural power, but my shi fu ask him not to dwell on that until wisdom arises <^john^> yes <Presence> hmm bcos no emptiness teaching? <^john^> buddha knows this stage very well and know what is not seen by them. <Presence> oic.. <^john^> it is prajna wisdom that liberates <^john^> but it also requires this luminosity, this non-dual mode to understand emptiness. <^john^> it is not a form of knowledge. <Presence> icic <Presence> so u're saying must first 'enter' the non-dual mode then to realise emptiness? <^john^> for true realisation of emptiness to occur. <Presence> icic <^john^> it springs from within <^john^> not as a form of knowledge. <^john^> but first grasped in the form of concept of what is emptiness <Presence> icic.. <^john^> when is absorbed in the seeing, it is just the pure sensation, the abiding of presence that knows. <^john^> it is that 'knowing' that can understand emptiness. <Presence> oic <Presence> but that 'knowing' by itself has not yet understood emptiness? <^john^> not a form of knowledge that result from measurement and comparisons. <Presence> icic <^john^> there is a form of knowing that is direct and intuitive, it comes from being one with the subject. <Presence> icic <Presence> ya the 'non-dual' mode <Presence> ? <^john^> it knows by being one and totally involved and being absorbed. <Presence> icic.. <^john^> letting the sensation slowly emerges but every bit is real, direct, vivid and clear. <^john^> just like love. <Presence> oic.. <^john^> when consciousness is free from 'self', it is always otherness <^john^> when something arises and there is no-self, is it ur thoughts or mine? <Presence> neither <^john^> pathie is no more the moderator? <^john^> :) <Presence> ya she rather busy.. anyway she didn’t really want to be moderator also la.. got ask me a few times <Presence> u wan to be moderator? :P <^john^> of course not. I will be worse than her. :) <Presence> haha y <^john^> no time and do not wish to end up in a tongue fight. :P <Presence> oic <Presence> kk <^john^> but all of ya are really helpful :) <Presence> :P <^john^> have u read anything about cittamatra? <Presence> nope <Presence> what about cittamatra <^john^> hmm...u know what is rang tong and shen tong? <Presence> heard b4 <Presence> is it one emphasize more on buddha nature <Presence> the other emphasize more on emptiness <Presence> tibetan buddhism <^john^> one emphasize that buddha nature is not empty but other than our nature, all is empty. <Presence> the first or the second <^john^> the other, all is empty including our buddha nature. <Presence> [01:25] <^john^> one emphasize that buddha nature is not empty but other than our nature, all is empty. --> rang tong or sheng tong? <Presence> so wat u support? :P <Presence> second? <^john^> shen tong is other empty <Presence> icic <^john^> rang tong is all empty <Presence> oic <Presence> so wat u tink <^john^> both to me are right. :) Been meditating on it..:) <Presence> how is it that both are right? <^john^> this is just my experience. :) <^john^> there is no need to be afraid to eliminate till none. <Presence> hmm but isn’t the two views contradictory? <Presence> how come both are right? <^john^> how should i say. :P <^john^> wait... <Presence> ok <^john^> do u know which one is the more accepted view? <Presence> i tink tibetan sects support different isit <Presence> nyingma more on sheng tong - gelug more on rang tong? <^john^> not really, i tink rang tong is the more accepted view. <^john^> but i prefer the sheng tong. :) <Presence> oic why? <^john^> coz when luminosity + emptiness is experienced, it is just as what is being described. <Presence> oic <Presence> then what about rangtong <^john^> but all empty is also important and all language are incapable of expressing the ultimate and has to be negated. <Presence> oic.. <^john^> it is important here to know one point and I believe there is a reason to it. <^john^> wait...change vcds <Presence> u watching show? <Presence> what point? <^john^> yeah <^john^> duan chang jian (break the view of eternalism) <^john^> :P <Presence> oic <^john^> it is because emptiness is a healthy negation if we understand correctly <Presence> icic. <^john^> u know about taoism <Presence> icic.. <Presence> ya? <^john^> i told u about eliminate until none <Presence> yea <^john^> coz true taoist masters know that it will reach tao <^john^> and come to the experience of the true power of self-so. <^john^> zhi ran <^john^> a strength that just grows by itself <^john^> self arise <Presence> icic.. <^john^> naturally luminous <Presence> oic <^john^> so the elimination is based on such understanding because they know it. <^john^> they have already experienced it. <Presence> oic <^john^> so they are not afraid to tell their followers to eliminate till none. <Presence> icic.. <^john^> as long as it is not theoretical and they truly practice, they will know. <^john^> tao must be experienced in its self-so. <Presence> eliminate till none - isn’t that wat buddhism calls 'purification of mind'? <^john^> yes <Presence> icic <^john^> purification as in emptiness leh <Presence> icic <^john^> but shentong isn't wrong too. <^john^> without positive language, not many can understand. <Presence> oic.. <^john^> but we should not mistake it as self. <Presence> icic <^john^> 'Self' is cause of suffering <^john^> whatever stage we are in. <^john^> so careful use of the word is necessary. <Presence> oic.. <^john^> we can reached that stage of non-dual mode but still the emptiness nature is not understood. <^john^> and instead of seeing conditioned-arising, we see 'Self'. <Presence> icic.. <^john^> this is the fall. <Presence> oic <^john^> but do not put sheng tong and rang tong into discussion. :) <Presence> hahahah <Presence> i wont <Presence> but anyway why? <Presence> i dun tink many ppl in sgforums will discuss that kind of topic anyway :P <^john^> :) <Presence> hmm i mean <Presence> why cannot discuss sheng tong and rang tong <^john^> it can be discussed of course. <^john^> just that i do not ppl to get over excited and make unnecessary comments due to their practices. <Presence> oic.. <Presence> the shen tong and rang tong thing - <Presence> does these split in view exists in traditions other than vajrayana/tibetan? <Presence> like chinese mahayana? or even theravada? <^john^> it is not good to make negative comments and remarks on enlightened ppl. <Presence> oic <^john^> got to go now...take care. :) <Presence> ok No such nickname <^john^> u have Eckhart Tolle's <^john^> Stillness speak? <Presence> yea <Presence> i finished reading quite some time ago <Presence> y? <Presence> eh btw <Presence> i wanna ask u <Presence> where u got ur toni packer's books from? <Presence> cos i suspect it isn’t on singapore bookshelves <^john^> was 'Stillness Speaks' written at a later date? <Presence> written in 2003 - but is mainly compilation of short verses that eckhart tolle has gathered in his notebook over the years <Presence> much like a sutra <^john^> her books are really popular, i think i got it from taka. <Presence> oic when ? <^john^> 1.5 yrs back <Presence> icic <Presence> which book u bought <^john^> So stillness speaks will written after the power of now? <^john^> the wonder of presence <Presence> anyway the newest book by eckhart tolle is i tink A New Earth <Presence> i tink 2005? <Presence> that one very popular <Presence> almost as popular as the power of now <Presence> i haven’t got that bcos i didn’t see it <^john^> the wonder of presence? <Presence> the wonder of presence icic.. been looking for that.. will try to find it elsewhere <^john^> the clarity of no-self, to me is expressed pretty well by her. <Presence> oic.. <^john^> though not as inspiring. <Presence> icic <^john^> i have not read any book about thusness. :) <Presence> u reading anything currently? <Presence> isit? <Presence> how come <Presence> u write lor <Presence> hehehe <^john^> of course not. :P <^john^> nothing can be written about it maybe...:) <Presence> oic y <^john^> only found in sutra and poem. <Presence> oic like wat poems <Presence> and wat sutras <^john^> i like cittamatra teachings. :) <Presence> oic <^john^> but there is something lacking. <Presence> wat is it <^john^> thusness lor... <Presence> ooh <Presence> hmm then are there any poems or sutras that wrote about thusness? <^john^> u can look into Dogen Zenji's teaching. <Presence> icic.. <^john^> it depends on individual really. <^john^> :) <Presence> oic <^john^> how u find the stillness speaks? <Presence> quite gd - but if i had the choice i wld have gotten new earth first <^john^> why? <Presence> stillness speaks is comparably in length - and more like a lot of short verses <Presence> *comparably shorter in length <Presence> hmm well depends on what u like hehe <^john^> :) <Presence> so <^john^> i like true real practical 'experience' even it doesn't sync with what i experienced. :) <Presence> u going anywhere for vesak tmr? <Presence> oic.. <^john^> today. <^john^> :P <Presence> ya today <Presence> :P <^john^> bring my kids out. <Presence> icic <^john^> got to go now...take care. :) <Presence> ok <Presence> gnite No such nickname Session Close: Fri May 12 02:42:38 2006

(7:14 PM) John: and don't deviate from buddhism. (7:14 PM) AEN: kk (7:14 PM) AEN: oic (7:14 PM) AEN: deviate from buddhism as in? (7:14 PM) John: the 3 seals. (7:14 PM) AEN: but if introduce books like eckhart tolle's is ok rite? (7:14 PM) AEN: oic (7:15 PM) John: i think eckhart tolle's book is quite inspiring. The depth of experience is there. Just that i can sync with toni's experience. (7:16 PM) John: The clarity and the questions she asked, i deeply sync with her. (7:16 PM) AEN: icic.. (7:16 PM) AEN: oic (7:16 PM) AEN: eckhart tolle's depth of experience is there? (7:16 PM) John: I hope the next book has what i want. :) (7:16 PM) AEN: oic wat u want (7:17 PM) John: eckhart tolle's yes. But i think not to Toni's level. That is my opinion. Toni's is almost mirror bright. But I just cannot understand certain thing. (7:18 PM) AEN: oic.. (7:18 PM) AEN: cannot understand wat (7:18 PM) John: about emptiness, there is something not there. (7:18 PM) John: initially i thought it should be a natural progression.

(8:29 PM) John: many ppl can only write until the level what toni wrote.... I am looking for some non locality experiences. (8:31 PM) AEN: back (8:32 PM) AEN: wat do u mean by non locality experiences (8:32 PM) AEN: and why is it that many ppl can only write until wat toni wrote? (8:35 PM) John: zen masters have that level of clarity. As for lay, seldom do i see ppl having that clarity. It is therefore difficult for people to write about anything after he/she reaches that level of clarity. Unfortunately, real zen masters doesn't speak much. :) (8:35 PM) John: when u listen, the sound is out there....how far can we hear? (8:36 PM) AEN: as in physical distant? (8:36 PM) John: yes (8:37 PM) AEN: dunnu leh need measurement.. haha.. on the relative level (8:37 PM) John: lol (8:37 PM) John: wait for the books to be out lah... (8:37 PM) AEN: huh?? (8:39 PM) AEN: so u mean toni packer didnt spoke of non locality (8:39 PM) John: i do not know. Dunno she experience or not. :P (8:39 PM) AEN: http://www.heartspace.org/misc/IndraNet.html (8:39 PM) AEN:

4. Non-locality

Indra's Net shoots holes in the assumption or imputation of a solid and fixed universe 'out there'. The capacity of one jewel to reflect the light of another jewel from the other edge of
infinity is something that is difficult for the linear mind, rational mind to comprehend. The fact that all nodes are simply reflections indicates that there is no particular single source
point from where it all arises. (8:39 PM) AEN: so have u read any books that spoke about non locality (8:40 PM) John: this is interesting... (8:40 PM) AEN: avatamasaka sutra. (8:40 PM) AEN: and indra's net (8:41 PM) AEN: http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=129929 (8:44 PM) John: have u watched superman? (8:44 PM) AEN: yea (8:45 PM) John: there is a part where he raise above the earth atmosphere and listen....he hears all... (8:45 PM) John: i like that part. (8:45 PM) John: :) (8:45 PM) AEN: oic.. (8:45 PM) AEN: how come (8:45 PM) John: just like lah... (8:45 PM) AEN: oic (8:45 PM) AEN: hahaha (8:46 PM) AEN: like guan yin :P (8:46 PM) John: yes. :) (8:46 PM) AEN: my shi fu said something like... which i didnt quite understand... when u practise until certain level, in another universe, when a flower blossom u will know (8:46 PM) AEN: cant remember isit exactly it (8:46 PM) AEN: i tink not referring to supernatural powers (8:47 PM) John: ur shi fu is who? (8:47 PM) AEN: ven shen kai (8:47 PM) John: sheng kai? (8:47 PM) John: okie. (8:47 PM) AEN: teacher chen is his dharma successor in charge of transmitting some important dharmas (8:48 PM) John: ic...then li zhu teacher? (8:48 PM) AEN: yup (8:48 PM) AEN: oh (8:48 PM) AEN: local teacher (8:48 PM) John: so when u say shi fu, u r normally referring to ven shen kai? (8:48 PM) AEN: yea (8:48 PM) AEN: hahaha (8:48 PM) John: ic. :) (8:48 PM) AEN: truthz maybe call 'shi gong' (8:48 PM) AEN: cos different side (8:49 PM) AEN: bcos li zhu lao shi is not chu jia (8:49 PM) John: ic (9:02 PM) AEN: "guan yin's practise is 'er gen yuan tong', whatever world has sentient beings calling for him, he will hear and save them. therefore if we are to attain buddhahood in this world, even if there is a flower blossoming in another universe, we will know immediately, then we will attain budhahood" (9:02 PM) AEN: i tink he mention about flower blossoming in another universe somewhere else too (9:03 PM) AEN: in the 'kai shi lu' series (9:03 PM) John: ic. You are very resourceful. :) (9:04 PM) AEN: haha cos i just listen to this again recently (9:04 PM) AEN: so i remember (9:04 PM) John: ic (9:08 PM) AEN: guan yin can listen cos he can access 'the ocean of self-nature' (9:08 PM) AEN: is it some kind of supernatural power? (9:09 PM) John: this might be possible through deep clarity....it relates to clearing of fetters. (9:09 PM) AEN: oic (9:09 PM) John: but like i said, not for u to delve into it now. :P

Session Start: Monday, August 07 2006

(5:33 PM) John: There is a chapter in the "A New Earth" where Eckhart Tolle mentioned about, touching a cup or anything, be without thoughts and not naming anything, then senses it...did u read about that? (5:37 PM) John: i read in borders the other day. (5:37 PM) AEN: o icic (5:37 PM) AEN: y wat about tat (5:38 PM) John: That to me is a really important chapter. :)

(7:03 PM) John: actually it is important to experience the "I AMness" (7:03 PM) AEN: oic.. (7:04 PM) John: i find that people having such experiences have more profound understanding of the teaching of Buddha if they are able to humble themselves down. (7:04 PM) AEN: oic (7:04 PM) John: Because these are the people that are in the best position to tell if they go beyond that stage... (7:04 PM) John: it is a natural progression. (7:04 PM) John: and Buddha I would say knows this problem and is one that has gone through similar process.

(7:23 PM) John: wah...eckhart now become like a world teacher. (7:23 PM) AEN: haha y? (7:23 PM) AEN: yea true (7:24 PM) AEN: his books are v popular... wonder how come (7:24 PM) AEN: but also nice to read la (7:25 PM) John: writing from personal experience and very inspirational. :) (7:25 PM) AEN: oic.. (7:27 PM) AEN: gtg.. cya (7:27 PM) John: cya

(12:19 AM) John: close ur eyes and feel anything like what eckhart tolle, and feel anything...feel the hardness of the floor...like in mindfulness, is that 'hardness' urs or mine or the floor? (12:21 AM) AEN: neither (12:21 AM) John: :) (12:21 AM) John: if u go beyond labels and become imageless, there will be arising. (12:22 AM) John: when one is not attached to the arising, one penetrates into the object (12:23 AM) John: the heart of the object is consciousness

(11:52 PM) John: I would rather read Eckhart Tolle's book. :) (11:52 PM) AEN: lol (11:53 PM) John: something as simple as touching a cup would tell him his depth of experience and where exactly he is. (11:53 PM) AEN: so u're saying d.t.suzuki's translation is quite ok (11:53 PM) AEN: icic (11:54 PM) John: and i can tell u at least 4 chapters of lankavatara is toking about this point. :) (11:54 PM) John: of course not on the emptiness point. :) (11:54 PM) AEN: oic.. (11:55 PM) John: Eckhart Tolle a new earth and practical approach towards the experience the now moment will lead u to the explanation of at least the first 4 chapters. :) (11:55 PM) AEN: icic... (11:56 PM) AEN: then after tat? (11:56 PM) John: sorry first 6 chapters (11:56 PM) AEN: oic (11:56 PM) John: only the part on manifestation of emptiness is lacking though it spoke about manifestation. (11:57 PM) John: and one knows that just by reading that, where exactly he is at.

(12:04 AM) John: and i have been reading it and trying to express it in my own way. (12:04 AM) John: :) (12:04 AM) AEN: oic.. (12:06 AM) John: there are not many that can have that sort of clarity with authentic experiences and still bother to write to explain it. (12:07 AM) John: Krishnamutri is one (12:07 AM) John: Eckhart Tolle is simple, direct and practical. (12:07 AM) AEN: oic.. (12:08 AM) AEN: krishnamurti understands emptiness? (12:08 AM) AEN: what u mean by 'clarity and authentic experience'? u said there are many levels of enlightenment ? (12:08 AM) John: it is not about emptiness, it is their experience. (12:08 AM) AEN: oic

(12:10 AM) John: Zen practices, Dogen is good and many zen masters poems are beautiful.
(12:11 AM) John: For tibetan buddhism, i like yogacara. (12:11 AM) John: it is really difficult to find one that has the clarity of expression of what that is beyond symbols. (12:13 AM) John: and is completely clear about the the anatta concept. (12:14 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:14 AM) AEN: sorry the title of his book is 'i am that' (12:15 AM) John: toni packer too...but can write like eckhart tolle. (12:16 AM) John: Any good books written by Dogen? (12:18 AM) AEN: not too sure.. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590300246/sr=1-9/qid=1155140179/ref=sr_1_9/102-2935529-0357719?ie=UTF8&s=books ? (11:59 AM) John: i like the One Taste [by Ken Wilber]. (11:59 AM) John: he calls all those ppl that commented on his work morons. (11:59 AM) John: :P (11:59 AM) John: lol (11:59 AM) John: negative comments i mean (11:59 AM) AEN: wahahah (11:59 AM) AEN: how come (11:59 AM) John: too petty... (11:59 AM) AEN: lol (12:00 PM) John: coz they don't understand him....he is human after all :P (12:00 PM) John: u can see his struggles (12:00 PM) AEN: hahaha (12:00 PM) John: his journey towards enlightenment... (12:00 PM) John: lol (12:00 PM) AEN: oic (12:01 PM) John: actually i like eckhart tolle's book. (12:02 PM) John: though i see that the experience is not as thorough. (12:02 PM) John: i think it is safer. :) (12:02 PM) AEN: ic.. (12:03 PM) AEN: safer? how come (12:03 PM) John: certain experiences should is considered quite dangerous and can cause a lot of harm. (12:04 PM) John: only very qualified masters can teach these methods. (12:04 PM) John: because the experience is considered a form of altered state of consciousness, it can be dangerous.... (12:04 PM) AEN: oic... (12:05 PM) AEN: like wat kind of experience (12:05 PM) John: i think experiencing presence in dreamless and dream stage should not be taught....rather only emptiness nature of manifestation... (12:06 PM) John: and then should only focus on compassion, wisdom, equanimity, patience (12:06 PM) AEN: oic.. (12:06 PM) John: just these...don't long for experiences...it will come naturally...when the time is right. (12:06 PM) AEN: icic (12:06 PM) John: wisdom is not the stages of meditation... (12:08 PM) John: when our attachments diminishes and wisdom (the bond of the symbols dissolve) grows, we will experience our radiance presence naturally and propel to all relevant phases of the dream and dreamless state. (12:09 PM) John: there is no need to do anything....to be over anxious over certain achievement and stage is extremely dangerous.

(1:16 PM) John: initially i wanted to buy ken wilber's book...but i think photocopy can liao. :P (1:16 PM) John: just the one taste and theory of everything (1:16 PM) AEN: lol (1:16 PM) John: coz more of hinduism than buddhist (1:16 PM) AEN: oic (1:16 PM) AEN: how u photocopy? (1:16 PM) AEN: library? (1:17 PM) John: i m looking for books that is beyond anatta and brings into the view of emptiness with non centricity and non-locality (1:17 PM) John: i wonder any practitioner has experienced that and put it into words. :P (1:17 PM) AEN: oic.. (1:17 PM) AEN: so far none? (1:17 PM) AEN: ken wilber also never write? (1:17 PM) John: not so much of beyond the experience of no-self but more of one that thoroughly understand no-self (1:18 PM) AEN: oic (1:18 PM) John: and yet experience the essence of emptiness nature intuitively (1:18 PM) AEN: icic (1:21 PM) John: books like eckhart tolle will be good. Never over emphasize anything (1:21 PM) AEN: oic.. (1:21 PM) John: clear simple and lucid (1:21 PM) AEN: icic (1:21 PM) John: but i am looking for something more than that. (1:22 PM) John: anyone that has thorough experienced no-self for few years, i am interested....eheheh

(12:26 AM) John: sitting meditation is important, it will help u still ur mind and heighten ur awareness (12:26 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:29 AM) John: u must learn to still ur body first, the experience similar to the lower half of ur body must be extend to the whole body. (12:29 AM) AEN: oic (12:29 AM) AEN: must i reach some sort of jhana experience first for tat to happen? (12:29 AM) John: it is often easier the first time...hehe.... (12:30 AM) AEN: how come (12:30 AM) AEN: hahaha (12:30 AM) John: then when u are able to still ur body, just motionless and when u sit, its is stable and still (12:30 AM) John: it then comes to the mind (12:31 AM) John: to watch the breath and settle ur thoughts (12:31 AM) AEN: oic.. (12:31 AM) John: practice this until u can calm ur thoughts (12:32 AM) John: through ur breath
(12:32 AM) AEN: icic (12:32 AM) John: once u r able to still ur thoughts or settle ur thoughts, then start to be aware.... (12:33 AM) AEN: oic.. (12:33 AM) John: until u feel the full presence of ur sensation, taste, touch..etc (12:34 AM) John: sense them.... (12:34 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:34 AM) John: if possible contemplate on what buddhagosha said (12:34 AM) AEN: oic (12:35 AM) John: only the thinking, no thinker (12:35 AM) John: the taste, no one tasting (12:35 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:35 AM) John: till directness arises (12:35 AM) AEN: oic (12:35 AM) John: keep practicing this if possible in the morning...heehe or afternoon...not night. (12:35 AM) AEN: why not night (12:35 AM) AEN: cos tired? (12:36 AM) John: no good (12:36 AM) John: only in the morning or evening (12:36 AM) AEN: y not night.. lol (12:36 AM) John: till u r able to control ur thought pattern (12:36 AM) AEN: oic (12:37 AM) John: at night just relax and do what u do...lol...irc...msn...forum. (12:37 AM) AEN: lol ok (12:37 AM) John: during waking state, practice mindfulness (12:38 AM) John: when ur feet touches the floor... (12:38 AM) John: when ur hand touches anything...spend time...just like what eckhart tolle said in the power of now and a new earth. (12:38 AM) John: when u swallow ur saliva. (12:39 AM) AEN: oic... (12:39 AM) John: feel the sensation completely... (12:39 AM) AEN: icic (12:39 AM) John: then relax and don't practice that at night..until morning....till one day u tell me u know what has thought pattern got to do with calmness (12:40 AM) AEN: oic (12:40 AM) John: and how awareness is being misidentified with self and what are the relationships (12:40 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:40 AM) John: what is bliss and clarity (12:40 AM) AEN: oic (12:41 AM) John: then when u experience no-self and our pristine awareness and clearly know what is awareness, tell me why is it everything... (12:41 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:42 AM) John: challenging and going beyond thought can be a painful experience if not practiced correctly. (12:43 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:43 AM) John: because we have been using thoughts and it will come (12:43 AM) John: so do not under estimate it (12:43 AM) AEN: oic (12:44 AM) John: exercise more.... (12:44 AM) John: a healthy body for a healthy mind (12:44 AM) AEN: icic (12:44 AM) John: it will help ur practice (12:44 AM) AEN: icic (12:45 AM) John: when u r able to experience directly, tell me about it (12:45 AM) John: when u r able to settle ur thoughts, tell me also... (12:45 AM) AEN: oic.. (12:46 AM) John: then go to ur centre and engage in activities to keep in touch with dharma. (12:46 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:46 AM) AEN: ok (12:48 AM) John: yeah...in meditation, content of the mind is not important, it is the quality of the mind (12:48 AM) John: peace, bliss, tranquillity, calmness are not content (12:49 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:49 AM) John: even in deep relaxation, u do not want to chat in ur mind, u simply let go (12:49 AM) AEN: oic (12:49 AM) AEN: ya (12:50 AM) John: the content and meaning isn't important at all (12:50 AM) John: u don't have to understand anything (12:50 AM) John: nothing to understand at all. (12:50 AM) John: so don't worry (12:50 AM) John: just the sensation (12:50 AM) John: the raw sensation (12:50 AM) AEN: oic (12:51 AM) John: but for start, u will contemplate (12:51 AM) John: what is no-self (12:51 AM) John: what is directness (12:51 AM) John: what are words (12:51 AM) AEN: before meditation? (12:51 AM) AEN: oic (12:51 AM) John: during meditation, u will sure ask one... (12:52 AM) AEN: oh ok (12:52 AM) AEN: icic (12:52 AM) John: it is okie...but start with the calming the mind first (12:52 AM) John: before ur contemplate (12:52 AM) John: when u contemplate, u can also be mindful (12:52 AM) AEN: icic (12:52 AM) John: the two can go hand in hand (12:52 AM) John: it doesn't matter (12:53 AM) John: when u experience directness, concepts and thoughts will be replaced with directness gradually (12:53 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:53 AM) John: but u must precede with mindfulness of breath to settle the thoughts first
(12:53 AM) John: to have mastery over thoughts (12:54 AM) John: or the ability to settle thoughts through ur breath (12:54 AM) AEN: icic.. (12:55 AM) John: when is ur exams? (12:55 AM) AEN: like over 2 weeks from now (12:55 AM) John: u better start studying... (12:55 AM) John: lol (12:55 AM) AEN: yea i know haha (12:56 AM) AEN: ok gtg.. gd nite (12:56 AM) John: nite


会话开始:2006928 星期四

(9:03 PM) John: Eckhart Tolle forum...many has attained 3-4 levels. But 5th level is still beyond them. Only JonLS is there. (9:04 PM) AEN: oic.. (9:04 PM) AEN: who has attained 3-4 (9:04 PM) John: Chelsy (9:04 PM) AEN: icic.. (9:04 PM) John: but she doesn't know what JonLS is toking about yet....lol (9:04 PM) AEN: hahaha (9:04 PM) AEN: icic (9:05 PM) John: the karmic propensity is blocking her for the moment. It will take quite some time due to her faith and respect for Eckhart Tolle. (9:05 PM) AEN: oic..

(9:49 PM) John: i am simply amazed how ET has 'touched' the lives of so many ppl. (9:49 PM) AEN: oic.. (9:49 PM) AEN: yea haha.. (9:50 PM) John: first go beyond labels and names and experience our buddha's nature. (9:50 PM) AEN: icic (9:57 PM) AEN: i am simply amazed how ET has 'touched' the lifes of so many ppl. --> u be the 2nd ET loh.. hehe (9:57 PM) John: kok ur head! (9:57 PM) AEN: haha y (10:02 PM) John: Buddha's teaching is complete enough... John says: there is no need to add anything to it. John says: just go beyond the cultural aspects and use it as a guide. (10:03 PM) AEN: oic.. (10:04 PM) John: the only way is for ET he himself to tok about no mirror reflecting. :) (10:04 PM) John: then all things are solved for his followers. (10:04 PM) AEN: icic... is eckhart there yet? (10:04 PM) John: almost. :) (10:05 PM) AEN: how about a new earth? (10:05 PM) AEN: the new book i mean (10:05 PM) John: same. :) (10:05 PM) AEN: icic.. (10:05 PM) John: that is why i din buy...lol (10:09 PM) AEN: hahaha (10:09 PM) AEN: u talking to her? she got the same problem? (10:10 PM) John: nope. :) (10:10 PM) John: i meant last time. (10:10 PM) AEN: oo icic (11:29 PM) John: gave something about no witnessing...hope i do not cause havoc...:P (11:29 PM) John: better run! (11:29 PM) AEN: LOL (11:29 PM) AEN: icic (11:30 PM) John: nite! (11:30 PM) AEN: gd nite

(3:06 PM) John: Din has completely understood what i am trying to tell him. :) (3:06 PM) John: directly and intuitively (3:06 PM) AEN: oic.. (3:06 PM) AEN: u mean based on his new posts (3:06 PM) John: in ET forum. :) (3:06 PM) AEN: icic.. (3:07 PM) John: really glad for him. He has seen no-self and begin to understand the propensities intuitively, as an insight. (3:07 PM) John: it is truly amazing. (3:07 PM) AEN: oic.. (3:08 PM) John: he is the first to have experienced all that i have experienced except DO. :) (3:08 PM) AEN: oic.. (3:08 PM) John: i think DO [dependent origination] will begin to manifest later. (3:08 PM) AEN: icic (3:08 PM) John: but it is difficult to 'see'. :) (3:09 PM) AEN: icic.. so it will come naturally (3:09 PM) John: once a person goes traceless, he can't be tracked. (3:09 PM) John: lol (3:09 PM) AEN: haha (3:09 PM) AEN: wat u mean by tat (3:10 PM) John: DO [dependent origination] is profound, deep. Not from the words of even one that has reached non-dual. :) (3:10 PM) AEN: oic... (3:10 PM) AEN: so wat u mean by one cannot be tracked (3:10 PM) AEN: if he goes traceless (3:11 PM) John: once he is in no mirror reflecting, no one knows who he really is. :P (3:11 PM) AEN: oic (3:11 PM) AEN: i still dun understand (3:11 PM) AEN: hahaha (3:12 PM) John: dun tell u. :P Not that important lah. (3:12 PM) AEN: i read from dhammapada that maras cannot track where the consciousness of an arhant went (3:12 PM) AEN: is that wat u mean (3:13 PM) John: something like that. ;p (3:13 PM) AEN: hahaha (3:13 PM) AEN: ok (3:26 PM) AEN: http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Suttas/Dhammapada/04-Puppha/04-puppha.html#57

The Venerable Godhika, impeded from gaining mental absorption by a certain disease, cut his throat with a razor; but immediately before his death he cultivated insight and realised nibbana.
Mara searched to see where his relinking-consciousness had arisen. The Buddha remarked that Mara cannot trace the relinking-consciousness of an Arahant.

http://www.buddhanet.net/dhammapada/d_saints.htm

Verse 92. Blameless Is The Nature Of Saints

  For those who don’t accumulate,   who well reflect upon their food,   they have as range the nameless and   the void of perfect freedom too.   As birds that wing through space,   hard to trace their going.

Explanation: With full understanding that nature is empty and objectless the mind is free of craving and leaves no trace of its whereabouts like the paths of birds in flight.

Verse 93. Arahat’s State Cannot Be Traced

  For whom pollutions are destroyed,   not attached to any food,   he has as range the nameless and   the void of perfect freedom too. (3:26 PM) AEN:
  As birds that wing through space,   hard to trace his going.

Explanation: If one is totally free of influences, internal or external, that motivates human behaviour, and is not attached even to food, that kind of individual focuses his mind on emptiness, objectlessness and freedom of thought. The path of such saints is difficult to be traced, like the path of birds flying through the sky. (3:28 PM) John: yes...after stability. :P (3:28 PM) AEN: icic (3:30 PM) John: it is pointless to tell anyone about anything and to know anyone his stages of enlightenment. :) (3:30 PM) John: only one who experiences know. (3:31 PM) AEN: oic (3:32 PM) John: like i know the depth of buddha's word...heehehehe and Din knows my words...kekekeekke (3:32 PM) AEN: hahahaha (3:33 PM) John: i have always spoken the truth. :P (3:33 PM) John: somehow it sinks very deep into his consciousness. :) (3:33 PM) AEN: oic... (3:33 PM) John: and the conditions ripen. (3:33 PM) John: i wonder how deeply the DO sinks. :)

Labels: Books and Websites Recommendations, Eckhart Tolle, I AMness, Luminosity |


脚注/附注:

  1. “I AMness” 根据要求译为我是/本我
  2. “vipassana meditation” 按要求译为毗婆舍那(意思是观察如其本然的实相)
  3. “DO” “dependent origination”(缘起),此处未作额外释义,直接使用缩写。
  4. 所有链接、书名及其他专有名词均完全照搬原文,不作修改。

[以上为本次翻译内容的全部内容。]

会话开始:2006820 星期日

(10:42 PM) John:你知道佛陀所说的无我anatta)吗?这并不意味着没有自我/没有小我(egoless)吗?
(10:44 PM) AEN:我想是这样的。
(10:45 PM) AEN无我是指不执著于自我的心理形象,而无我状态则是完全的非二元状态,对吗?
(10:47 PM) John:你必须明白,无我是一个法印,历来从未有过真正的我。
(10:47 PM) AEN:明白了。
(10:48 PM) John:即便一个人感到自豪,也依然本无我。
(10:48 PM) AEN:笑
(10:48 PM) AEN:明白了。
(10:51 PM) AEN:‘我’只是一种幻象,是找不到的。
(10:51 PM) John:是的。
(10:52 PM) John:一旦我们真正体验到这一点,那种催眠般的束缚就会松解,我们便会体验到喜悦。
(10:52 PM) AEN:明白了……
(10:54 PM) John:一切都是意识,但如果没有那种稳定智慧的证悟,我们总是会认同于某种特定的显现。
(10:55 PM) John:普通的意识是对身体和心识的认同。
(10:55 PM) John:而更微妙的层面,则是对某一特定状态的执著。
(10:55 PM) AEN:明白……
(10:56 PM) John:还有对纯粹意识的认同,这通常被称为无对象的意识
(10:57 PM) John:那就是沉归于根源。
(10:57 PM) AEN:明白了。
(10:57 PM) John:空性就是要打破这种执著。
(10:57 PM) John:这并不是说要沉归,而是要证悟到每一种显现本质上都是空的。
(10:57 PM) AEN:明白……
(10:58 PM) John:也就是说,每一个显现其实就是意识本身,但由于其空性的本质,并不存在沉归到某个最纯粹的状态。
(10:58 PM) John:只有证悟到其空性本质。
(10:58 PM) AEN:明白了。
(10:58 PM) John:当我们体验天空时,我们不是在体验天空,而是天空就是那体验——即意识。
(10:59 PM) AEN:明白……
(10:59 PM) AEN:对。
(10:59 PM) John:当我们体验河流时,我们并非在体验河流,而是河流就是那体验,即意识。
(10:59 PM) John:它们是截然不同的。
(10:59 PM) AEN:明白……
(10:59 PM) John:这都是由于各种因缘所致。
(10:59 PM) John:去感受一下……
(11:00 PM) John:去体验它。
(11:00 PM) John:当符号的层次消失而临在稳定下来时,一切都将显得分外清晰。
(11:00 PM) AEN:明白了。
(11:02 PM) John:当我们解释时,必须观察因缘;当我们试图引导他人时,必须感受因缘并了解对方所处的层次。
(11:03 PM) John:只解释恰当的层次。
(11:03 PM) John:然后看到实际的修行是与这种理解相符的。
(11:03 PM) John:观察其稳定性,
(11:03 PM) John:在进入下一个层次之前。
(11:04 PM) John:否则,只会制造冲突和混乱。
(11:05 PM) AEN:明白了。


原文:

"Session Start: Sunday, August 20, 2006

(10:42 PM) John: u know when buddha say anatta, no-self, it doesn't mean be egoless? (10:44 PM) AEN: i tink so (10:45 PM) AEN: egoless mean detached from mental image of self, while nonself is completely nondual? (10:47 PM) John: u must understand that no-self is a dharma seal. Never was there a self. (10:47 PM) AEN: icic (10:48 PM) John: even when one is proud, there is still no-self (10:48 PM) AEN: lol (10:48 PM) AEN: icic (10:51 PM) AEN: self is an illusion and cannot be found (10:51 PM) John: yes (10:52 PM) John: once we truly experience, the hypnotic bond loosen and we experience bliss. (10:52 PM) AEN: icic.. (10:54 PM) John: everything is consciousness, but without knowing and arising of stable wisdom, we always identify with a particular manifestation (10:55 PM) John: ordinary consciousness is the identification of body and mind. (10:55 PM) John: more subtle level is the attachment to a certain state (10:55 PM) AEN: oic.. (10:56 PM) John: and identification of the purest form of consciousness, commonly known as the objectless consciousness (10:57 PM) John: that is sinking back to the source (10:57 PM) AEN: icic (10:57 PM) John: emptiness is to break this attachment (10:57 PM) John: that is not sinking back but realise every form of arising as empty (10:57 PM) AEN: oic.. (10:58 PM) John: that is every arising is indeed consciousness itself but due to its emptiness nature, there is no sinking back to a purest form. (10:58 PM) John: only realisation of its emptiness nature (10:58 PM) AEN: icic (10:58 PM) John: when we experience the sky, we do not have an experience of the sky, the sky is the experience is consciousness (10:59 PM) AEN: icic.. (10:59 PM) AEN: ya (10:59 PM) John: when we experience the river, we do not have an experience of the river, the river is the experience is consciousness (10:59 PM) John: they are radically different (10:59 PM) AEN: oic.. (10:59 PM) John: this is due to conditions (10:59 PM) John: feel it... (11:00 PM) John: experience it (11:00 PM) John: when the layer of symbols is gone and Presence is stabilized, it is vividly clear. (11:00 PM) AEN: icic.. (11:02 PM) John: when we explain, we must observe the conditions. When we try to lead someone, we must feel the conditions and understand the level one is in (11:03 PM) John: explain only the right level (11:03 PM) John: then see that actual practice copes with the understanding (11:03 PM) John: observe the stability (11:03 PM) John: before going to the next level. (11:04 PM) John: otherwise, it will only create conflicts and confusion. (11:05 PM) AEN: oic.."


解释说明:

  1. “anatta”译为无我“egoless”译为没有自我不执著自我,此处区分为不执著于自我心理形象与完全非二元的无我状态。
  2. “dharma seal”译为法印,表示佛法中不可或缺的标志。
  3. “sinking back”译为沉归归于根源,此处指回归于意识的本源。
  4. “Presence”译为临在,保持统一。
  5. “realisation”译为证悟,符合要求。

以上为本段完整的双语文本翻译。

Reasoned about translation instructions for 56 seconds

简体中文翻译: 我们是谁?真的

原文: "Who are we? Really


简体中文翻译:The Matrix》是一部让许多观众沉思现实本质的电影。我就个人而言,是《The Matrix》的忠实影迷。在许多方面,虽然这部电影并非完全真实或邪恶到那种程度,但它象征着现实的本质。很多时候,冥想让人得以瞥见超出平常的境界。有些冥想时刻确实重新定义了我的身份,并改变了我对世界的看法。我必须强调,冥想是帮助我更好地理解自己的主要方式。

原文: “The Matrix” is one movie that got many a viewer pondering on the nature of reality. I, for one, am a great fan of The Matrix. In many ways, although not exactly true or that diabolical, the movie is symbolic of the nature of reality. Many a times, meditation allows one to catch glimpses beyond the ordinary. There are some meditation sessions that literally redefined my identity and altered my perception of the world. I must emphasize that meditation is the major modality that helped me to understand myself better.


简体中文翻译: 永恒的观察者——真实的身份

原文: The Eternal Watcher- The True Identity


简体中文翻译: 在一次觉醒冥想中,我进入了一种没有思绪的状态。这样的体验很难用言语描述。这是因为解释的过程本身就在思维和概念的媒介中。用思维来描述无思的状态是不可能的!总之,在那无思的虚空中,人们自然而然地认为一切都应该是一片无意识的空白。然而,事实并非如此!接下来发生的事情对我来说简直是一次启示。在那无思的空无中,我感知到自己是一种临在……这就是我将如何描述自己的方式。

原文: In one ‘awakening’ meditation, I came to a state of no thoughts. Such experiences are very hard to describe. This is because the explanation process itself, is within the medium of thoughts and concepts. It is impossible to describe a state of no thoughts using thoughts! Anyway, in the void of no thoughts, one naturally assume that everything must be an unconscious blank. However, that was not the case! What came next was quite a revelation to me. In the void of no thought, I perceived myself to be a Presence... Here's how I will describe myself.


简体中文翻译:临在无处不在,但并不具侵扰性。他似乎存在于万物之中,并以绝对的被动性观察。他超越了概念和信仰,不需要任何形式。因此,我理解他为永恒的。他也似乎是我自身更细微的状态。我也感觉到他存在于我所有的前世到今世中,甚至更多。如果我要给他命名,我会称他为永恒的观察者

原文: "The Presence is all pervasive, yet un-intrusive. He seems to be in all things and observes with utter passiveness. He exists beyond concepts, beliefs and do not need any form. Therefore, I understand him as eternal. He also seems to be the subtler state of myself. I also got the feeling that he existed in all my lifetimes or even more. If I were to name him, I will describe him as The Eternal Watcher.”


简体中文翻译: 你可以说,我被这一体验彻底震撼了。永恒的观察者发现是一个非常重要的事件,它彻底改变了我对意识的理解方式。这也使我开始非常深入且严肃地思考神圣存在的可能性。这些经历激励我热切地去探索、理解并阐明这一切。我与所有我认为能帮助我解开谜团的人进行了交流。这些人包括通灵者、其他冥想者、走在灵性道路上的人以及新时代运动者。

原文: You can say that I was completely blown away by the experience. The ‘discovery’ of the Eternal Watcher was a very important event that completely changed the way I understood consciousness. It also made me contemplated very deeply and seriously about the possible existence of the Divine. These spurred me on an ardent search to understand and make sense of it all. I corresponded with whoever I think can help me unlock the mystery. These people included clairvoyants, other meditators, people on spiritual paths and new-agers.


简体中文翻译: 从这些调查中,我发现其他人也有过类似的体验。基于其他人描述的一致性和多样性,有一件事对我来说变得非常确定:一个人远不止是一个能够说话和思考的肉体。人类的人格,也就是我们的性格,仅仅是人类外在意识的一部分。就我们的身份而言,我们的人格不过是冰山一角。在人的心灵深处,还存在着更为细微且常被遮蔽的意识层次。我相信这些内在的意识可能代表着灵魂的不同深度,或者更深远的存在层次。关于永恒的观察者,他始终存在。你没有看到他,并不意味着他不存在。因为临在如此接近心灵,所以不易被察觉。

原文: From these investigations, it was discovered that others have had similar experiences as well. Based on the consistency and plurality of the descriptions by others, something becomes very certain to me. That is, a human being is much more than a body that can talk and think. The Human Personality, which is our character, is only an outer consciousness of the human. With regard to our identity, our personality is merely the tip of the iceberg. Within the human being’s psyche lie much subtler and often-obscured levels of consciousness. I believe these inner consciousnesses could be the different depths of the Soul or levels of being-ness even more profound than that. About the Eternal Watcher, he is ever present. You didn’t see him doesn’t means he is not there. Because the Presence is so close to the mind, it is not easily perceived.


简体中文翻译: 感知永恒的观察者是通过对自身呼吸的放松观察实现的。那种极度放松的观察最终变成了一种纯粹被动地让思绪穿过我意识的状态。这反过来又导致我的物质大脑的思维过程逐渐关闭,最终累积成一种无思的状态。在无思的过渡阶段之后,我成为了永恒的观察者。体验永恒的观察者并不是一项我可以轻易忽视为无关紧要的练习。我无法假设我对存在和生命的感知能像以前那样保持不变。这样做无疑是在自欺欺人。对我来说,最深刻的体验并非来自于做些什么,而是来自于什么都不做。

原文: Perceiving the Eternal Watcher was achieved through the relaxed observation of my own breath. The ultra-relaxed observation eventually becomes a purely passive allowance for thoughts to pass through my consciousness. This, in turn, led to a gradual shutting down of the mental processes of my physical brain cumulating into a state of ‘no-thoughts’. Beyond the transitional phase of ‘no-thoughts’, I became the Eternal Watcher. Experiencing the Eternal Watcher is not an exercise that I can easily brush off as inconsequential. It is not possible for me to assume that my perception of existence and life can be the same as before. Doing so will be blatantly self-deceiving. To me, the most profound experiences where not from doing something. They came from doing nothing.


简体中文翻译: 我相信永恒的观察者是每个人内在个体化的神/源临在。我也相信这种临在正如藏传佛教中所描述的Rigpa(本觉)。有些人认为这种临在与超我(Oversoul)是相同的。然而,我对此并不十分确定。我希望我没有让你感到困惑。无论如何,验证这一切的唯一方法就是亲自体验这种临在(永恒的观察者)以及这些状态。

原文: I believed the Eternal Watcher is the individualized God/Source Presence within oneself. I also believe this Presence is Rigpa as described in Tibetan Buddhism. Some people suggest that the Presence is the same as the Oversoul. However, I am not too sure about this. I hope I am not confusing you. In any case, the only way to validate all these is to personally experience the Presence (Eternal Watcher) and these states for oneself.


简体中文翻译: 那种无思体验并不是我唯一的神秘冥想体验。我也曾体验过成为一片浩瀚的极乐海洋。讽刺的是,那些抱着想要体验某种神秘状态目的而进行的冥想往往最不成功。期待会限制一个人意识能够达到的境界。对我来说,在坐下来冥想之前,保持一颗开放的心更为重要。
—— Sim Pern Chong 撰写,写于2004年或更早。Sim Pern Chong 是一位新加坡人,与 Soh John Tan 一样,并且是在十多年前遇到 John Tan 后率先领悟无我空性的人。那时,他已经觉察到我是/本我多年。参见 A Compilation of Simpo's Writings

原文: That ‘no-thought experience’ was not the only mystical meditative experience. I have also experienced being a vast ocean of bliss. Ironically, the meditations that were attempted with an agenda of wanting to experience something mystical are the ones that are the least successful. Expectation puts a limit on how far one’s consciousness can go. For me, it was better to keep an open mind before sitting down to Meditate.” - by Sim Pern Chong, written in 2004 or prior. Sim Pern Chong is a Singaporean like Soh and John Tan, and was the first to realize anatta and emptiness after encountering John Tan more than a decade ago. At that time he already realised I AM for many years. See A Compilation of Simpo's Writings


附后说明:
本译文严格遵循原文结构和逐句翻译原则,每个段落均先呈现完整的简体中文翻译,随后完整复现原文内容。关键佛教术语及概念如“Rigpa”无我空性等均已按照要求准确翻译和标注,确保了译文的准确性与完整性。

此外,译者在保持原文风格与精神的基础上,尽量确保用词精准、语句流畅,未对原文内容进行任何删减或改写,力求为读者呈现一个完整、忠实的双语文本。

 

 

 

 

简体中文翻译:
Simpo 作品集》
Soh
注:除了下面这些论坛帖子外,我还上传了他在 Dreamdatum 上关于灵性成长以及他个人灵性见解的所有文章的存档(这些文章写于 2004 年至 2008 年期间),在他的网站消失之前。这些存档可从以下网址下载:https://app.box.com/s/vx0baz7mi7

另外,还有一本由 Longchen/Simpo 2004 年期间或之前写的非常旧的电子书,可能也会引起兴趣。不过,该书是基于我是/本我永恒见证者的理解和体验而写,其理解和体验自那以后已有所改变:

点击下载各章节。

【序言】
【如何使用这些文章】(86kb
【我们是谁?】(113kb
【关于我们真实身份及其与宇宙关系的文章】
【我们仅仅是一个身体吗?】(260kb
【关于人体能量系统的文章】
【杂项文章】(171kb
【杂项文章】(来自各种视角和体验的杂项文章)


原文:
"A Compilation of Simpo's Writings
Soh
Note: In addition to the forum postings below, I have also uploaded an archive of all his articles from Dreamdatum on spiritual growth and his personal spiritual insights (which was written in the period between year 2004 to 2008) before his website disappeared, available for download at: https://app.box.com/s/vx0baz7mi7

Also, there is a very old e-book written by Longchen/Simpo during/before year 2004, which may also be of interest. However it is spoken from the understanding/experience of the I AM or Eternal Witness, and his understandings and experience have since changed:

Click to download in chapters.

Preface
How to use the articles (86kb)
Who are we? (113kb)
Article about our true identity and it's relation with the cosmos.
Are we just a body? (260kb)
Articles about the human energy system.
Miscellaneous Articles(171kb)
Miscellaneous articles written from various perspectives and experiences.

-----------------"


简体中文翻译:
最近,由于论坛似乎即将消失,我编集了一些 Sim Pern Chong(他过去使用“simpo”“longchen”这一笔名)的作品。我在 2007 年与来自 Mahasi Sayadaw 传承的佛法老师 Daniel Ingram 分享了 Sim Pern Chong 的作品。Daniel 当时回复我说,他觉得作者写得很好,我印象深刻,而且他的文字质量非常出众,我找不到任何毛病。我喜欢他那直截了当、易于理解的风格。并且他说,如果他准确地描述了自己实际所处的位置而没有夸大其词,那么我猜他可能是一位晚期无著者或阿罗汉,但这仅仅是猜测。(注:Daniel 关于“arahat”(阿罗汉)的定义基于他书中所描述的非二元模式,即消除所有二元对立、中心点和施为者的状态,此定义可能与其他定义不完全相同。Daniel Ingram 还在多年前接受 Tarin 采访时表示,他认为 Thusness 是一位阿罗汉/阿罗汉。)

同样,Thusness 在他的七觉支阶段文章中评论道:“SimpoLongchen)是一位非常有洞察力和真诚的修行者,他在网站 Dreamdatum 上写了几篇关于非二元的高质量文章。既然这些文章质量非同一般,我认为值得与大家分享。

Sim Pern Chong 20072012 年期间的作品如下:

原文:
"Recently I have compiled some of the writings by Sim Pern Chong (who wrote by the pseudonym 'simpo' or 'longchen' in the past) as the forum seems to be disappearing. I shared the writings of Sim Pern Chong with the dharma teacher Daniel Ingram from the Mahasi Sayadaw lineage in 2007. Daniel replied me back then that he finds the author "writes well and I am impressed", and furthermore "find his writing to be of unusually good quality. I can find no fault with what he says. I like his straightforward and easy style." and that "if he is accurately describing where he actually is without exaggeration, then I would guess that he is either a late anagami or arahat, realizing that this is only a guess." (note: Daniel's definition of 'arahat' is based on the nonduality model described in his book or the elimination of all sense of duality, centerpoint and agency, and may or may not correlate with other definitions. Daniel Ingram also said in an interview with Tarin many years ago that he considers Thusness to be an Arahat/Arahant)

Similarly, Thusness commented in his 7 stages article that "Simpo (Longchen) is a very insightful and sincere practitioner, there are some very good quality articles written by him regarding non-duality in his website Dreamdatum." Since these are "unusually good quality" I think it's worth sharing.

 

Update:

即使证悟无我,John TanAtR 和我都不认为那就是最终的觉悟(这与 Daniel IngramKevin Shanilec 等人所主张的不同)。

我们认为对无我的体认是入流果(参见:https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/igored/insight_buddhism_a_reconsideration_of_the_meaning/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf 以及 https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2020/08/insight-buddhism-reconsideration-of.html),而不是第四果阿罗汉,这一观点是基于经文的。

我们认为对人法二空的体认是第一地,基于经文的说法(参见:https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2022/07/buddhahood-end-of-all-emotionalmental.html , )。

原文:

Update:

Even after anatta, John Tan, AtR and I do not consider that as final enlightenment (unlike what Daniel Ingram, Kevin Shanilec and the likes claim).

We consider the realisation of anatta to be stream entry (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/igored/insight_buddhism_a_reconsideration_of_the_meaning/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf%20 , https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2020/08/insight-buddhism-reconsideration-of.html ) instead of fourth path arahantship, based on suttas.

We consider the realization of twofold emptiness to be first bhumi based on sutras. See: https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2022/07/buddhahood-end-of-all-emotionalmental.html

 

Sim Pern Chong's writings back in 2007~2012:"

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Chinese Translation:
非二元性实际上与无我状态是同一种体验,也与“无主客分裂”相同。“无主客分裂”意味着对“观察者与被观察者”这一幻象的洞见,并且那种分裂感随之消解。

Original Text:
"Non duality is really the same experience as no-self state. It is also the same as no subject-object split. 'No subject-object split' means the illusion of an observer and the being observed is being understood and the sense of split dissolved."


Paragraph 2

Chinese Translation:
以下是对非二元性体验方式的描述。

Original Text:
"Below is a description of how non-duality feels like."


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Chinese Translation:
我注意到,非二元性的体验具有不同的深度和层次。有时心中的念头比较多,有时比较少,这会带来不同程度的鲜活感和“合一”感。

Original Text:
"I have noticed that non-duality has various depths and degrees. Certain times there are more mental thoughts, certain times less and this give rise to different degrees of vividness and sense of Oneness."


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Chinese Translation:
有时,对“在一个位置上”的感觉会大幅减弱……取而代之的是由所有构成“此处感”的感受所取代……因为事实上,“此处感”本就由感知和感受组成……例如,脚与地面接触时的压力感……它们仅仅就是感受。同样地,视觉上的觉知、听觉等等,也都只是那样而已。

Original Text:
"At times, sense of being at a location can be greatly diminished... instead what is being felt are all the sensations that made up 'here-ness'... For in truth, 'here-ness' is really made up of perceptions and sensations... For example, the sensations of pressure of the feet against the floor... they are just that..sensations. Likewise, the visual perceptions and hearing and so on so forth are just that."


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Chinese Translation:
因为事实上,“位置—空间”、“个体性—自我”、“内—外”等等都只是印象而已。

Original Text:
"For in truth, 'location-space', 'individuality-self', ' inner-outer', etc are impressions."


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Chinese Translation:

在非二元性的体验中,也会有一种宽广或无所不在的特质,这就是所说的“合一感”。有时,我们会对周围的事物与环境“去认知化”(也就是不再把它们认定为某种固有的对象),从而产生一种解放的、愉悦的、充满活力的感觉。那种感觉就像心终于从不断运转的思维活动中得到急需的休息。

Original Text:

"There is also a spacious or all-pervading quality to the experience of non-duality and this is what was meant as a sense of Oneness. At times, objects and surroundings can be 'de-cognated' ( that is ... freed from being perceived as such) and a free-ing joyful and vitalising feeling can be felt. This feels like the mind has finally comes to a must-needed rest from its incessant mental activities."


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Chinese Translation:

此外,在更深层次的非二元性中,往往会出现愈发透彻的明亮感。这个明亮感是心智解构的结果,它使意识能够被深切地洞穿。此种光明有时会强烈到令人惊叹的地步。

Original Text:

"Also, in the deeper range of non-duality, there is an increasingly penetrating brightness. This brightness is the result of mind's deconstruction which allows for intense penetration into consciousness. The Brightness can be so intense that it is truly stunning."


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Chinese Translation:

请理解,我们的存在自始至终都是非二元的。并没有一个“达到非二元”的过程,只是“自我感”制造了二元性的错觉。即使当“自我感”仍在时,存在本身依旧是非二元的。我们从未脱离过非二元性而生活。

Original Text:

"Please understand that all along our existence has been non-dual. There is no attaining to non-duality... It is only the 'sense of self' that created the impression of duality. Even when the 'sense of self' is there, existence is still non-dual. We never live out of non-duality."


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Chinese Translation:

另外,还有一点需要补充……

Original Text:

"Also, there is another point to add..."


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Chinese Translation:

非二元性并不等同于以“见证者临在”去观照现象界的状态。若存在一个与现象分离的“永恒见证者临在”,那就谈不上非二元,因为这里仍包含两个成分(见证者与现象)。我以前也有过那种体验。而如今,我必须说,真正的非二元性与那种状态有明显区别。

Original Text:

"Non-duality is NOT the same as a state of Witnessing Presence observing Phenomenality. An Eternal Witness Presence that is apart from Phenomena cannot be said to be non dual as there are 2 components here (witness and phenomena). I had this experience before. And now, I must say that true non-duality is distinctively different from this."


简体中文翻译:
开悟是一个渐进的过程

这篇文章并非关于开悟主题的定论性著述。以下仅仅是我个人经验和发现的表达。
有人认为开悟只是一个最终的状态。许多人还相信,当一个人经历了某种超越性的或神秘的体验后,那种体验便是终极且完整的。这个假设可能是由广为流传的开悟经典故事所普及的。此外,与这种开悟观念相关的宏大论调,在我看来是完全被过分炒作且不必要的。
我认为,开悟并不只是一个标准的终极状态,而是一系列意识状态逐步建立和转化的渐进过程。这一过程是不断展开和转变的,最终带来对意识动力学越来越清晰的理解。因此,各人和各传统所描述的开悟,可能指的是不同的意识状态。

我个人尚未走到尽头,但在多年的灵性道路上,我可以自信地说,开悟确实发生在一系列自我证悟和自我发现的阶段中。事实上,超越性的或神秘的体验不止一种。

几乎所有的开悟阶段都与临在状态有关。然而,临在体验存在着不同程度的清明和强度。其强度直接取决于个人清明程度以及其证悟/洞见的深度。
通常,初次觉醒与后期阶段的稳定性之间存在差异。

此外,随着个人不断进步,与宇宙和整体存在之间的关系也会变得愈加清晰。

下面试图说明开悟的分阶段特性:

当一个人开始修习禅定时,可能会初步体验到无所不在的临在。这种临在通常在思维暂时停顿时出现。这种存在于无时无刻的当下的临在,正是我们真正的本性。

然而,这种体验只能被归类为对真实本性初步的觉醒……具有讽刺意味的是,这种觉醒没有任何个体自我的感觉。原因在于,在禅定结束后,这种临在似乎又消失了。人们无法理解和找到临在与我们日常生活之间的联系。正因如此,人们在重新获得临在时会遇到困难。需要经历多个阶段和一系列证悟,才能理解临在与我们显现世界之间的关系。可以说,维持临在的持续性取决于证悟的阶段和深度。

此外,在早期阶段,我们可能会误将另一种状态视为纯净的临在。例如,我们可能会误把我是/本我或永恒见证者当作纯粹临在。这是因为思维创造了一个看似恒常的纯净临在的形象。这个形象就是所谓的我是或永恒见证者,正如人们常描述的那样。基本上,在这个阶段,临在的真正本质尚未被清楚理解。

通常,为了度过所谓的我是阶段,必须向更深层次的意识理解迈进。这些理解可能包括认识到一个人的自我或个性并不是施为者或行为的控制者。这样的证悟使人能够松动自我感的强烈执着,从而体验到一种当下性的状态。
这一阶段可能会持续一段时间,直到人们认识到主客二分的幻觉。这个阶段涉及到发现和认识到存在着一个观察者(即自我)与被观察对象之间存在的催眠印象。通常,这整个证悟阶段被称为非二元体验。初步的非二元体验之后,个体可能会达到更为深刻的证悟——这一证悟表明,一切所体验到的,实际上都是自发呈现的。这种证悟比之前的体验更为微妙,代表着理解上的重大飞跃。

此外,在开悟过程的进一步阶段中,个体对自己意识的光明感会逐步增强。这种光明是心灵解构的结果,它允许人对意识进行深入穿透。
虽然可能还有其他未在此描述的阶段,但从上述描述中可以看出,开悟并非简单直接。

还有一点需要补充:
证悟与业障模式的清除是灵性道路上密不可分的。

原文:
"Enlightenment is a gradual process

This essay is not a definitive writing on this subject of enlightenment. The following is just an expression of my own experiences and findings. There seems to be a notion that enlightenment is just one final state. Many also believe that when one has certain transcendental or mystical experience, that experience is final and complete. This assumption is perhaps popularised by the classic stories of enlightenment that are widely known. Also there is much granduer associated with this notion of Enlightenment which, in my opinion, is totally overhyped and uncalled for. My opinion is that enlightenment is not just one 'standard' final state but is a gradual and progressive establishing of states of consciousness. The process is a succesive unfoldment and transformation, leading to increasingly clear understanding of the dynamics of consciousness. So perhaps, enlightenment as described by various persons and traditions can be referring to different states of consciousness.

I, myself have not reach the end of the road. But from years on a spiritual path, I can confidently say that enlightenment happens in a series or stages of self-realisations and self-discoveries. There are, in fact, more than one type of transcendental or mystical experience.

Almost all stages of enlightenment can be said to be associated with states of Presence. However, the Presence comes in various degrees of clarity and intensity. The degree of intensity is directly dependent on the level and depth of one's clarity as well as one's realisations/discoveries. Usually there is a difference between an initial awakening and a later stabilisation of that stage.

Also, as one progresses along, the relationship or connections of oneself to the universe and existence in general also becomes clearer.

Below is an attempt to illustrate the stage-based characteristic of enlightenment:

When one first begin meditating, one may have an initial experience of all-pervading Presence. This Presence, is most often experienced when thoughts are momentarily suspended. This Presence which exists in the timeless Present Moment is our true characteristic or nature.

However such an experience can only be classified as an initial awakening to the true nature.. which ironically have no sense of being an individual self. This is because, after the meditation, the Presence seems to have disappeared. One cannot understand and find the connection of Presence to our everyday life. Because of that, one will have difficulties re-acquiring the Presence. And it takes many stages and series of realisation to understand the relationship of Presence to our phenomenal world. It can be said that the prolonged sustaining of Presence is dependent upon the stages and depth of realisation.

Also, during the earlier stages we may mistaken another state to be the pure pristine presence. For example, we may mistaken 'I AM' or the Eternal Witness for pure presence. This is because the thinking mind has created a seemingly constant image of Pure Presence. This image is the I AM or Eternal Witness, as it is commonly described. Basically, at this stage, the true characteristic of Presence is not being clearly understood.

Usually, in order to pass through the so-called 'I AM' stage, the person must move towards even deeper understandings of consciousness. These understandings may include realising that one's sense of self or personality is not the doer or controller of action. This realisation allows one to loosen the 'sense of self's compulsive grip and in the process, a state of NOWness can be experienced. By NOWness, I am referring to a peaceful state where the mind is not chasing after thoughts but rather is abiding in the Present Moment. This stage may persist for sometime before the person realises the illusion of subject-object division. This stage involves discovering and recognising the hypnotic impression of there being an observer (which is oneself) and the being observed. Typically, this is where one begins to see through the illusionary nature of our phenomenal world. This entire band of realisation stage is often known as non-dual experience or non-duality. After the initial experiences of non-duality, the person may reach a even more profound realisation. This is the realisation that everything that is being experienced is truly spontaneously manifesting. This realisation is more subtle than the previous realisation and represents a major leap in understanding.

Also, in the further stages of the enlightenment process, there are experiences of increasing brightness to one's consciousness. This brightness is the result of mind's deconstruction which allows for intense penetration into consciousness. While there may well be other stages not described here, nevertheless, one can still see from the above description that enlightenment is not so straight-forward after all.

One more thing to add. Realisations and karmic pattern clearing go hand in hand on the spiritual path.

简体中文翻译:
是的……我曾长时间停留在我是/本我层面的理解上。正是如是Thusness)探查并引导我超越了那个阶段。

原文:
"Yep... I stayed at I AM level understanding for many years. It was Thusness who probed and guided me to move beyond that phase."


简体中文翻译:
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原文:
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简体中文翻译:
【证悟】
证悟提示:
(注:以下对话中“realization”均译为证悟。)

原文:
realization: Oh yes Simpo, can I just ask how you realised the I AM years ago?


简体中文翻译:
Simpo:其实有两件意义重大的事件:

  1. 1980年代,当我还是个青少年时,我第一次坐下来打坐。那时我体验到了极大的喜悦。在那次禅修中,我体会到了没有终极对错的状态,也就是非评判状态,并且连续几天浸润在一片浩瀚的喜悦之海中。哈哈……我当时以为自己开悟了。事后回想,现在我知道那时我并未真正开悟。这也是为何如今当人们谈论非二元、意指没有对错时,我能明白他们所处的阶段。

原文:
"Simpo: There are actually 2 significant events:

  1. In the 1980s when i was a teenager, i sat down to meditate for the first time. I experienced great bliss. In this meditation, i experienced 'no ultimate right or wrong' aka non-judgemental and is soaked in a vast ocean of bliss for a few days. Haha... i thought i was enlightened. On hindsight now, i know that i was not. That is why now when people write about non-dual to meant 'no right/wrong' I know which stage they are at."

简体中文翻译:
2. 1990年代,我参加了一个每周日在一座佛寺举行打坐课程的禅修班。我当时在学习一点集中禅(奢摩他:止修;制心一处;一心专注的定修)。有一个下午,当我在家打坐时,所有感官印象都停止了,包括思维。我进入了无思状态。有人可能会认为当没有思维时,就必定进入了无意识状态,但实际上并非如此。相反,我体验到的是纯粹的临在/觉知。然而,由于我当时对意识和现实的本质尚未完全理解,这种觉知被我解读为永恒见证者/观察者,也就是那种纯粹的我是/本我体验。

原文:
"2. In the 1990s, i join a meditation class that held sessions every Sunday at a Buddhist temple. I was learning one-point meditation. One afternoon when i was meditating at home, all the sensory impressions stopped including thoughts. I was in a state of 'No-thoughts'. One may think that when there are no thoughts, one must be unconscious. No there is no unconsciousness. Instead what was being experienced was pure Presence/awareness. However due to not understanding the nature of consciousness and reality, this awareness was experienced as an Eternal Witness/Observer. This is the pure experience of I AM presence."


简体中文翻译:
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原文:
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简体中文翻译:
就我而言,那初次的体验发生在一次打坐中,促使我错误地以为我是/本我即是真相。那体验是纯粹的,但后来的解读却走偏了。

原文:
"In my case, the initial experience happened during a meditation which led me to the misassumption of 'I AM'. The experience is pure, but the latter interpretation of it was wrong."


简体中文翻译:
无我体验中,人们简单地证悟到,在任何体验中都不存在自我,即便意识依然在运转。思维可以存在,但却没有思者

原文:
"In 'No-I' experience, one simply realised that there is no self in any experience even when consciousness is rolling own. There can be thinking, but there is no thinker."


简体中文翻译:
另一方面,在完全的意识空白状态下,虽然觉知依然存在,但既没有任何思维,也没有任何形式的心识构造。基本上,没有思维、没有心像,也没有我们通常所具有的任何形式的意识。这种体验十分独特,因为正是这种体验使人首次能够分辨出混合了思维的意识与纯粹临在之间的区别。

原文:
"On the other hand, in complete consciousness blank-out, yet awareness persists, there is not a single thought or any form of mental formation. Basically, there is no thinking, no mental image or any form of consciousness that we normally have. It will be distinctive because it is this experience that will allow one to see for the first time the difference between mental-mixed consciousness and pure presence."


简体中文翻译:
完全关闭心智构造但觉知仍存的状态,并不等同于睡眠。

原文:
"Complete mental formation shut down and yet awareness still exist, it is not the same as sleep."


简体中文翻译:
就我个人而言,我觉得没有必要在睡眠中保持那种见证的状态。实际上,这更多地是出于一种想要体验临在的渴望。

原文:
"Personally, I don't see a point in maintaining witnessing even into sleep. It is really a desire to have that expereince of Presence."


简体中文翻译:
嗨,Criable Jamber

非常感谢你们的分享。

我想补充一点个人意见。由于我们都还在探索,这些意见并非最终定论。

原文:
"Hi Criable and Jamber,

Thanks so much for the sharing.

Will like to just add a bit of my input. Nothing definitive as we are all exploring."


简体中文翻译:
Jamber 所见的视觉效果和像素,并不是我们所讨论的那种光明(luminousity)。真正的光明更多是一种体验性的清明。

原文:
"The visual effects and pixels that Jamber sees is not the luminosity that we are taking about. The luminousity is more an experiential clarity."


简体中文翻译:
在体验和理解光明方面,在证悟无我之前和之后存在显著的区别。

原文:
"There is a significant difference between experiencing/understanding the luminosity before and after realisation of no-self."


简体中文翻译:
在未证悟无我之前,任何纯粹的觉知/意识体验都会被解读为自我存在。换句话说,那体验会被理解为我有一次自我的体验

原文:
"Before the realisation of no-self, any pure awareness/consciousness experience will be interpreted as the Self. In another word, the experience will be ' I have an experience of the Self.'"


简体中文翻译:
而在证悟无我之后,觉知的体验可能就不再被所体验。换句话说,有一次体验,但并不是由我来体验

原文:
"After realisation of no-self, the awareness experience may not be experienced by a someone who is me. In another word, 'there is an experience, but it is not experienced by me'."


简体中文翻译:
这种差别在于,自我/我感并非是一个实体,而只是对那被魔法般的觉知抓取所产生的一种短暂效应。所以,的体验实际上是一种微妙的无知,给体验染上一层色彩……而这种微妙的执著也可能出现在纯觉知的体验中。

原文:
"The difference is that the ego/sense of self/me/I is not an entity but a transcient effect of grasping that spell-bound awareness into a sense of an individual self having experiences. So the 'I' experience is a subtle 'ignorance' that tint an experience... and this subtle grasping can also be present in the experience of pure consciousness."


简体中文翻译:
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原文:
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简体中文翻译:
我认为 Eckhart Tolle 可能曾饱受痛苦,突然他放下了试图解决问题的执著。这导致了他与思维的分离,从而引发了临在的体验。

原文:
"I think Eckhart Tolle may have been suffering alot and suddenly he 'let go' of trying to work out his problems. This results in a dissociation from thoughts which give rise to the experience of Presence."


简体中文翻译:
对我来说,我是/本我是一种临在体验,只是这种体验只呈现了临在中的无处不在这一面。无二和空性的方面并未被体验……因为在我是/本我阶段,还未证悟到无二,个人可能仍会努力试图进入临在状态。这是因为在我是/本我阶段,人们错误地认为存在一个由思维构成的相对世界,并且存在一个绝对的源头在观察它。处于我是/本我阶段的人会试图从相对世界中分离出来,以便进入那个绝对源头

原文:
"To me, 'I AM' is an experience of Presence, it is just that only one aspect of Presence is experienced which is the 'all-pervading' aspect. The non-dual and emptiness aspect are not experienced.. Because non-dual is not realised (at I AM stage), a person may still use effort in an attempt to 'enter' the Presence. This is because, at the I AM stage, there is an erroneous concept that there is a relative world make up of thoughts AND there is an 'absolute source' that is watching it. The I AM stage person will make attempts to 'dissociated from the relative world' in order to enter the 'absolute source'."


简体中文翻译:
然而,在无二(以及更进一步……)的阶段,个人已明白,相对世界与绝对源头之间的划分从未发生过,也不可能发生……因此,根本无需再作任何努力或尝试。

原文:
"However, at Non-dual (& further..) stage understanding, one have understood that the division into a relative world and an absolute source has NEVER occcured and cannot be... Thus no attempt/effort is truly required."


简体中文翻译:
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原文:
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简体中文翻译:
Sim Pern Chong 也在2022年写道:

原文:
"Sim Pern Chong also wrote in 2022:"


简体中文翻译:
仅代表我的个人观点……
就我而言,我第一次体验到明确的我是/本我临在时,脑中完全没有思维,只有一种无边界、无处不在的临在。实际上,当时没有任何思维或寻找这是否就是我是/本我的动作。没有任何概念活动。直到那次体验之后,我才把它解读为我是
对我来说,我是的体验实际上只是窥见了现实的本质……但随后这种体验很快就被重新解读。无边界这一属性得到了体验,但其他诸如无主客透明的光明空性等属性却尚未被理解。
我的看法是,当你体验到我是时,你会毫无疑问地知道那就是那(我是的)体验。

原文:
"Just my opinion... For my case, the first time i experienced a definitive I AM presence, there was zero thought. just a borderless, all pervading presence. In fact, there was no thinking or looking out for whether this is I AM or not. There was no conceptual activity. It was interpreted as 'I AM' only after that experience. To me, I AM experience is actually a glimpse of the way reality is.. but it is quickly re-interpreted. The attribute of 'borderlessness' is experienced. but other 'attributes such as 'no subject-object', 'transparent luminosity, emptiness are not understood yet. My take, is that when 'I AM' is experienced, you will be doubtless that it is the experience."


简体中文翻译:
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原文:
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简体中文翻译:
她(清海无上师 Supreme Master Ching Hai)绝对处于我是/本我阶段。她尚未证悟到无主客分裂。这就是她所说的存在两个部分——身体与精神。

原文:
"She (Supreme Master Ching Hai) is definitely at 'I AM' stage. She has not yet understood 'no subject-object split'. That is why she say there are 2 parts... body and spirit."


简体中文翻译:
对于证悟了无二(无主客分裂)的修行者来说,身体与精神不再被视为分离的实体。在无二证悟中,身体仅仅被看作是感知和触觉的现象,其实感知和触觉本身就构成了环境

原文:
"For one who realises non-duality (no subject-object split) there is no division of body and spirit. At non-duality realisation, body is not seen as entity but as perceptions and sensations that are 'not separated from environment'. In fact perception and sensation is the 'environment'."


简体中文翻译:
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原文:
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简体中文翻译:
这条主题让我想起了上个月的一件事。

我在一个购物中心,看到一个店面宣传普拉那与阿罗汉瑜伽课程

原文:
"This thread reminds me of one incident last month.

I was in one shopping center and i saw a shopfront advertising Prana and Arhatic Yoga course."


简体中文翻译:
出于好奇,我便走了进去看看。我与里面的一位人士聊了起来。我想她是这课程的工作人员或学员。

原文:
"Well, naturally, i was curious and went in to have a look. I have a chat with one of the persons inside. I think she is a staff or student of the course."


简体中文翻译:
我翻阅了宣传册,并问她为什么瑜伽课程会用阿罗汉这个词。另一位女士听到后插话,说这个课程定位与佛教阿罗汉的层次相同。

原文:
"I was looking through the brochures and ask her why the word 'Arhat' was used for the Yoga course. Another lady overhead the conversation and say that the course is pitching at the same level as the Buddhist Arhat."


简体中文翻译:
在浏览了一些宣传册后,我告诉她两者并不相同。她似乎很匆忙,便叫我去看看他们的网站。

原文:
"Having browsed thru some of the brochures, I told her it is not the same. She seems to be in a hurry and asked me to check out their website."


简体中文翻译:
我查看了他们的网站。他们的老师谈论的是我是/本我一体的证悟。

原文:
"I check out their website. Their teacher talk about I AM oneness realisation."


简体中文翻译:
的确,那并非与阿罗汉相同的证悟层次。那位老师仅停留在我是/本我层面的理解。遗憾的是,追随者无法分辨其中的区别。

原文:
"Indeed, it is not the same level of realisation as the Arhat. The teacher is at I AM level understanding. It is sad that the followers cannot tell the difference."


简体中文翻译:
人们做生意、从中获利。因此,我认为最好不要去扰乱他们的生计,也很难让他们相信我所说的……

原文:
"People are doing business and earning from it. So, i thought better not to disrupt their livelihood by telling them. Also, the chances of them believing what i say will be very slim..."


简体中文翻译:
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简体中文翻译:
轮回(Samsara)也不是一个地方”……这绝非打字错误。直到你证悟了无二,这点你才会明白。

原文:
"Samsara is also not place.. this is not a typo error. You will not understand this until non-duality is experienced."


简体中文翻译:
此在距离以及时间都只是印象。它们给人以地方的幻觉。这也解释了超自然能力(例如透视和远距离看物)的本质。

原文:
"'Hereness', 'distance' and time are just impressions. They give the 'illusionary' impression of places. This also explains the nature of 'supernatural power' like clairvoyance and seeing things far away, etc."


简体中文翻译:
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简体中文翻译:
【存在的非固态性】
这篇文章描述了一种灵性洞见,可能较难理解。
我们所体验到的事物通过所有感官被接收:眼睛记录视觉,耳朵记录声音,身体记录触觉。这些感知、触觉和体验并非发生在某个具体的地方,而是某些条件生起的体验。实际上,在真实体验中不存在固态性和物质性。

原文:
"The non-solidity of existence
This article describes a spiritual insight. It may be quite hard to understand.
The things that we experience are registered by all the sense organs. The eye sight registers vision, the ears register sound, the body registers sensations. These perception, sensations and experiences are not happening in some places. They are the experience of the arising of certain conditions. There is no solidity and physicality in the actual experience."


简体中文翻译:
我们所体验的并非对所有人都普遍通用。举个例子:作为人类,我们以颜色来感知世界;但有些动物是色盲,因此它们看到的与我们不同。然而,我们没有人能直接看到事物的真相。不同物种的感官对事物的体验各不相同。那么,究竟是谁在看事物的真实形象呢?答案是:没有人。

原文:
"What we experienced is not universal and common to all. Here's an example to illustrate that: We know that as human beings, we see in term of colours. Some animals are however colour-blind, thus they see differently from us. But none of us, is really seeing the truth nature directly. The senses of different species of sentient beings experience things differently. So who is seeing the real image of an object? None."


简体中文翻译:
同样,各种存在层面的显现都是由不同条件生起所致。在某些禅定中,据说人们可以接触到这些存在层面。这是因为它们并非某个具体的位置,而是一种心态,因此具有非定域性。在这些禅定中,我们的意识发生变化,并这些其他状态或存在层面对齐。
所有存在层面同时显现,但由于我们的感官受制于人类特有的条件性生起,我们只能看到人类世界以及其他与我们具有相似共振生起条件的众生。然而,其他存在层面并不在某个别处。

原文:
"Likewise, the various planes of existence are due to different conditions arising. In certain types of meditation, one is said to be able to access these planes of existence. This is because they are not specific locations. They are mental states and are thus non-localised. In these meditations, our consciousness changes and 'aligned' more with these other states or planes of existence.
All the planes of existence are simultaneously manifesting, but because our senses are human-based conditioned arisings, we only see the human world and other beings that shared 'similar' resonating arising conditions. But nevertheless, the other planes of existences are not elsewhere in some other places."


简体中文翻译:
我们所认为的地方其实仅仅是意识的表现,根本不存在任何固态性。即便是我们的触觉,也只是给人一种感觉到物理、三维实在的印象,但实际上根本不存在一个固有自存的物体;那只是一种让人感觉有物质感和形状的触感印象。

原文:
"What we think of as places are really just consciousness and there is no solidity whatsoever. Even our touch sense is just that. The touch sense gives an impression of feeling something that is physical and three-dimensional. But there is really no solid self-existing object there. Instead, it is simply the sensation that gives the impression of physical solidity and form."


简体中文翻译:
好吧,这就是我目前对这个话题所能想到和写下的全部。我会在必要时修订和完善这篇文章。
供你深思。谢谢阅读。

原文:
"OK, that all I can think of and write about this topic. I will revise and improve this article where the need arises.
For your necessary ponderance. Thank you for reading."


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嗨,各位,

我觉得有必要澄清,佛教中的空性并不等同于虚无生活缺乏意义,以免被误解。许多人,甚至来自其他路径的神秘主义者和灵性行者,都有这种误解,因此将佛教标榜为悲观主义。这远非事实。

原文:
"Hi People,

I feel a need to clarify that emptiness (in Buddhism) is not the same as 'nothingness' or 'lack of meaning in life', lest it gets misunderstood. Many people, even mystics and spiritual walkers from other paths, have this misunderstanding and therefore label Buddhism as pessimistic. This is far from the truth."


简体中文翻译:
空性是一种必须亲自证悟后才能理解的体验。大致来说,它包含了一种理解:没有固态性、没有空间、没有时间、没有定域性。表面上看,世界似乎存在距离、空间、时间和固态性,但这并非真相。实际上,一切都是以同时发生的(虽然这个说法不够准确,但目前也没有更好的表述)无时的方式在进行……然而,常规的感官和意识数据通常无法让我们穿透表象,体验到空性。

原文:
"Emptiness is a realisation that needs to be experienced to be understood. It roughly encompasses an understanding that there is no solidity, no space, no time, no locality, etc. Looking at the way the world seems to be, it appear that there are distances, space and time and solidity. But this is not what the truth is like. Everything is actually occuring 'simultaneously' (not accurate, but no better word for this) in a 'timeless' manner... but the conditions of experiences (sensory and consciousness data) normally will not allow us to penetrate through to experience emptiness."


简体中文翻译:
只有通过证悟,才能穿透这层面纱。

原文:
"Only insights can penetrate through the veil."


【以下内容较长,接下来的翻译将在下一条消息中继续。】

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简体中文翻译:
关于业力教训,业力乃是指欲望/执着在无意识状态下运作。正因为它们在无意识中运作,我们并不察觉其运行方式,因此它们继续掌控局面。所以,业力教训与放下执着并不是彼此不同或对立的活动。正念修习有助于揭露这些无意识中的欲望、假设和印记。

原文:
"As for 'karmic lessons', karma is about desires/attachment operating in an unconscious manner. Because they are operating in an unconscious manner, we are not aware of their operations and therefore they continue to 'run the show'. So, karmic lessons and losing attachment are not different or opposing activities. Mindfulness practice helps in uncovering these unconscious desires/assumptions/imprints etc."


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简体中文翻译:
还有一件事我想补充,即自我/我感本身就是一种主要的业力模式。它使我们以一个参照中心来看待事物。即是那种执着或欲望,它创造了一个供体验参照的中心。

原文:
"One thing will like to add is that the 'sense of self/I' is itself a chief karmic pattern. It make us see things through a referencing center. 'I' is the grasping/desire that creates a center where experiences are referenced to."


简体中文翻译:
因证悟而消解后,体验便失去了中心。此并不意味着一切变成了空白。人依然可以按常运作,但不再存在所谓的中心。正因为是执着并造成主客分裂的根源,紧随而来的紧张也随之消散。

原文:
"When the 'I' dissapears through recognition, experiences has no center. This does not mean that all is now a blank. One still can operate as per normal, but there is no 'center'. As 'I' is the grasping and the splitter of subject/object division, tension goes away together with it."


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请不要等到最后一刻才开始进行灵修实践。到那时,时间可能不再站在你这一边,许多人很可能已经处于极度绝望的状态,以至于无法采取任何有用的纪律来获得某种证悟。

原文:
"Please don't wait until the last minute to start a regime of spiritual cultivation practice. By that time, time will not be not their side and many will likely be too desperate to engage in any useful form of discipline to reach some kind of realisations."


简体中文翻译:
最近,我看到周围有太多老人处境艰难。他们中许多人没有修行佛法,在绝望时刻寻求任何能提供拯救的信仰。这很令人悲哀,如果他们早些进行修行并达到一定的证悟,死亡就不会成为如此可怕的未知。

原文:
"Lately, i have seen too many cases of elderly people around me in dire straits. Many of them are not practicing buddhist and in the times of desperation seeks for whatever belief that will offer them a saviour. This is sad, had they been cultivating and reaching certain level of insights/realisation, death will not be such a fearful unknown."


简体中文翻译:
我所试图表达的是:包括专注、内观证悟和持戒(指:戒定慧)在内的灵修实践的严格训练,需要长时间的积累才能见到成果。

原文:
"What i was trying to convey is that a regimentation of practice inclusive of activities for concentration, insight practice and morality takes a long time to build up to see the results."


简体中文翻译:
可能需要数年甚至几十年,才能初步窥见更深层次的现实或觉悟。请现在就开始灵修实践,别再拖延。

原文:
"It can take years/decade to just get an initial glimpse of deeper reality or awakening. Please start the spiritual cultivation practice now. Don't wait."


简体中文翻译:
Likeyou: “你的意思是仅仅通过简单的诵念?祈祷?
抱歉,兄弟……我不太确定。

原文:
"Likeyou: 'You mean by simple chanting? Praying?
Sorry bro....I am not sure.'"


简体中文翻译:
Simpo:
嗨,Likeyou
无论采用何种方法,只要能使人证悟到自身或更深层现实的真性,都可以使用。

原文:
"Simpo:
Hi Likeyou,
By whatever means that will bring one to the experience/insight of the true nature of themselves or deeper reality."


简体中文翻译:
我没有用过诵念,所以不太熟悉这一方法。
对我而言,打坐是必不可少的修行。我第一次窥见纯觉知,正是通过那简单的一点集中禅修(奢摩他:止修;制心一处;一心专注的定修)。

原文:
"I have not used chanting so am not familiar with it.
For me, meditation is a must have practice. The first glimpse of pure awareness that i had was through the simple one-point meditation/concentration."


简体中文翻译:
我想表达的是:包括专注、内观证悟和持戒(指:戒定慧)在内的灵修实践的严格训练,需要长时间的积累才能见到成果。
祝好!

原文:
"What i was trying to convey is that a regimentation of practice inclusive of activities for concentration, insight practice and morality takes a long time to build up to see the results.
Regards"


简体中文翻译:
最好的办法是努力追求开悟。故事到此结束。

原文:
"Best to strive for enlightenment. End of story."


简体中文翻译:
【证悟】
证悟:那么,我是可以通过一点集中禅修(奢摩他:止修;制心一处;一心专注的定修)来证悟,而不必完全依靠探究吗?

原文:
"Realization: 'So, the I AM may be realised via one-pointed meditation and does not have to come from investigation?'"


简体中文翻译:
Simpo: “这要看情况。我认识一些人终其一生都在打坐,却从未证悟我是
如果你能跳过我是阶段,直接证悟无我,那是最好的……就不用像我那样浪费时间。

Soh的评论:关于是否必须经历我是觉悟阶段,或者我们可以直接跳到无我——约翰·谭、我和Sim Pern Chong这些年来对此问题的看法各有分歧且不断演变(我记得Sim Pern Chong曾说他认为人们完全可以跳过这一阶段,约翰也曾疑问是否可能或明智,因为某些AF的人似乎跳过了这一阶段却体验到了灵光),然而,经过观察人们的进展,我们认为那些没有经历我是觉悟就进入无我阶段的人,往往会错过灵光及其强烈程度,之后还得经历另一个阶段。对于那些经历了我是觉悟的人来说,无我的第二阶段显现得非常容易,实际上这是最先变得明显的方面。如今,John和我认为,最好还是先经历我是阶段,再进入非二元和无我阶段……
还有一种担心是,带领人们进入我是阶段可能会使他们停滞不前。(正如John TanSim Pern Chong曾在那一阶段停留了数十年)


但我已经证明,从我是到无我,完全有可能在八个月内相当迅速地取得进展。所以,停滞不前是由于缺乏正确的指引和方向,而不是我是本身的问题。” — Soh2020

稍微给你点建议:当你以鼻尖呼吸为焦点打坐时,不要认为你正在打坐。怎么说呢……不要以为有一个在打坐。同时,只需觉知呼吸,不要刻意控制呼吸。
此外,姿势非常重要,脊柱不应依靠墙壁。保持脊柱和颈部挺直会有所帮助。也许可以用一个垫子将臀部稍微抬高一些,使臀部位置高于盘腿的位置。
当心智不再想着过去或未来,也不在做梦时,而是安住于当下,就会体验到我是。专注于呼吸是一种使心智与当下立即对齐的方法。有许多体验我是临在的方式——只要能切断对思维或内容的执着,就可以。
你甚至可以在不打坐、睁开眼的情况下体验我是。只需直视开阔的空间,放松身心。一个开阔的空间或田野会更有助于在这种状态下体验到它。
愿你早日体验到纯觉知!

原文:
"Simpo: 'It depends. I know of people who meditate the entire life and still never reach I AM.

If you can bypass I AM phase and realise no-self (straight) is the best.. dun need to waste time like i did.

(Comments by Soh: “Regarding whether it is important to go through I AM realization or can we skip to anatta -- John Tan and I and Sim Pern Chong have had differing and evolving opinions about this over the years (I remember Sim Pern Chong saying he thinks people can skip it altogether, John also wondered if it is possible or advisable as certain AF people seem to have skipped it but experience luminosity), however after witnessing the progress of people it seems to us that those who went into anatta without the I AM realization tend to miss out the luminosity and intensity of luminosity. And then they will have to go through another phase. For those with I AM realization, the second stanza of anatta comes very easily, in fact the first aspect to become more apparent. Nowadays John and my opinion is that it is best to go through the I AM phase, then nondual and anatta..

There was also the worry that by leading people into the I AM, they can get stuck there. (As John Tan and Sim Pern Chong was stuck there for decades)

But I have shown that it is possible to progress rather quickly (in eight months) from I AM to anatta. So the being stuck is due to lack of right pointers and directions, not inherently an issue with I AM.” - Soh, 2020)

 

To help a bit, when you meditate by focusing on the breathe at the tip of the nose, do not think that you are meditating. How do i explain it... dun think that there is a person (you) meditating. Also, just be aware of the breathe.. don't breath deliberately.

Also, the posture is very important, the spine should not be supported by a wall. A straight spine and neck posture will help. Perhap use a support to lift the buttock above the ground abit so that the buttock position is higher that the cross legs.

'I AM' will be experienced when the mind is not thinking about the past or the future or is having any kind of dreaming... but is abiding in the Present. Focusing on the breathe is a method to align the mind to the immediate Present moment.

There can be many ways to experience the I AM presence as long as the method can cut off grasping on the thoughts/content. When mind is detached from thoughts content, the only activities that is left is the automatic breathing action.

You can experience I AM while not meditating and with eyes open too. Simply look straight ahead into open space and relax. An open space or field will be more conducive to experiencing it under such condition.

May you experience pure awareness soon !"


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头顶有刺痛感可能意味着,一个人正在释放或放下足够的思维活动,以便尽快体验到纯觉知/光明。通常,这还会伴随身体自动调整以使脊柱挺直。在光明与广阔感开启之时,双眼可能会睁得很大,以匹配能量激增和光明的量子跃迁。

原文:
"Tingling at the tip of the head could possibly mean that one is releasing/dropping enough mental activity to experience pure awareness/luminousity soon. Often, this will be accompanied by the automatic repositioning of body to straighten the spine. At the opening of luminosity and spaciousness, the eyes may open very wide to match the quantum leap in energy surge and luminosity."


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是的,先生……这确实非常真实。
关于自我/我的问题,当我们独处、不与他人互动时,更容易察觉到;而在与他人互动时,则较难看清无我
就我而言,吃饭和走路是最容易体验无我的活动。那时,只有动作,没有的介入。咀嚼就是咀嚼,走路就是走路……纯粹的行动。
当我们与他人互动时,要看清无我就更加困难,因为互动本身就暗示着存在其他人。但这并非不可能。
我才刚刚开始进入更深层的阶段……所以帮不上太多忙。我认为关键在于敢于放下将他人视为分离个体的执著。这与放下所有思维不同……因为要保持交流,仍必须动用思维。依我之见,也许在这一阶段能稳定维持之前,必须首先清楚理解空性的真谛。因为空性的证悟包含了无他人的洞见。若没有对空性的清晰洞见,心智很难确信无我、无他人

原文:
"Yah, Sir... that is very true indeed.

About the 'self/I', it is easier to identify it when we are alone... and is not interacting with others.

For my case, eating and walking are the easiest activties to be 'no-self'. There are just the actions without the 'I' there. Chewing is chewing, walking is walking...just pure action.

It is alot more difficult to see 'no-self' when we are interacting with others. This is because the very act of interacting with other implies there are others to interact with oneself. However it is possible.

I am just beginning to enter deeper into this phase... so can't be of much help. The key, that i see, is the daringness to drop the attachment of seeing others as separate. This is different from dropping all thoughts... because to maintain communication thoughts must be deployed. IMO, perhaps, before this phase can be maintained with any level of stability, a clear understanding of emptiness is firstly required. This is because the realisation of emptiness encompasses the insight that there is no-others. Without the clear insight of emptiness, it is very hard for the mind to be convinced that there are no one and no others."


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简体中文翻译:
嗨,
我记得我过去几世的一些经历,并能自信地说,生活中发生的一些事情(以及人们对它们的反应),都与前世所经历的有关。

原文:
"Hi, I can remember some of my past lifes and can confidently say that certain things that happened (and how one respond to it) in life is due to what transpired in previous lifes."


简体中文翻译:
另外,既然我们在讨论业力的话题,我也想分享一些关于福报(Merit)的看法。
这听起来可能有些争议,福报似乎对一个人获得开悟的潜力以及顺利程度有显著影响。

原文:
"Also, since we are at the topic of karma, will also like to share some opinions on Merit. It may sound controversial, merit appears to be an influential factor regarding one's potential and level of 'smoothness' for gaining enlightenment."


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嗨,
关于福报的定义以及如何获得福报,其实并不难找到答案,所以我就不详细写了。
基本上,我的理解是:佛法是引导众生脱离苦难与轮回的机制。因此,能促进正确理解佛法、使人们接触佛法的活动,有利于一个人对佛法的正确理解和在修行道路上的进步。
同样,妨碍或混淆他人对佛法理解的活动,将会导致修行道路上的障碍和困惑。
我们不必走太远就能看到这种效果。已经有不少人在这个论坛上因混淆佛法而导致自己也陷入困惑。

原文:
"Hi, The definition of merits and how to acquire them are not difficult to find. So, will not write about them. Basically, my understanding is that the Dharma Teaching is the mechanism for leading Beings out of suffering and the rebirth cycle. So activities that promotes its right understanding and peoples' contact with the Dharma benefits ones' right understanding and progress along the path.

Likewise, activities that obstruct or confuse others with regards to the Dharma, will result in obstruction and confusion on the path.

We don't have to go far to see this effect. Already there are people patronising this forum who are experiencing the effect of confusing others with regards to the teaching, leading to their own confusion."


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感谢大家的分享。
这一部分很好地描述了我在我是/本我阶段所尝试做的事情……

原文:
"Thanks for the sharing. This part described what i tried to do during 'I AM' stage very well...."


简体中文翻译:
伴随着(b)的观念的是:第一,她与某个(理想的)事物相分离;第二,由于自我动机驱使,她去获得实现它。主体打算与客体融合。但主体不明白,在非二元的融合中,主体和客体都会消解。此处的主体期望保持为一个实体,从中附加上(不同寻常的)体验。这是一种令人窒息、令人沮丧的追求,是一场不断到达而必然离去的枯竭循环。但由于暂时停止了概念化的自我思维,有时它被误认为是所谈论的解脱

原文:
"Attendant to b) is the notion that (first) she is apart from something (desirable); and (second) is driven, by ego motivation, to "attain" or "achieve" it. Subject proposes to "merge" with object. But subject does not comprehend that in a non-dual "merging" both subject and object dissolve. The subject, here, expects to remain an entity to which an (unusual) experience is to be added. It is a stultifying, frustrating pursuit, a deadening cycle of "arriving" and inevitably "departing". But because of the (temporary) suspension of "conceptual," egoic thought, it is sometimes presumed to be the "liberation" which is spoken about."


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依我看,一个真正的我是/本我临在阶段将会揭示出现实中那种无处不在、非局部/无方所(non-local)性的本质……这与仅仅是伪体验、想象或视觉化一束照亮我们的光不同。有时,我是/本我阶段也可能显露出光明/光的特性。但就我而言,光明方面的体验是在后期出现的。依我看,这取决于那一阶段的具体体验。依我看,光明体验源自对感知的解构;依我看,无方所性体验则源自心识或思维构造的完全悬置。

原文:
"IMO, a real' I AM Presence' stage will reveal much about the non-local/all-pervading aspect of reality.... unlike a pseudo experience of visualising/imagining a light that overlight us. Sometimes, the I AM stage may also reveal the luminous/light aspect as well. But for my case, the luminousity aspect was experienced later. IMO, it depends on how that stage was experienced. IMO, Luminousity is experienced due to the deconstruction of perception. IMO, Non-locality is experienced due to the total suspension of mental formation/thoughts."


简体中文翻译:
非二元性将揭示出一个洞见:自我从来不存在于具体的层面。起初,体验似乎是平面……哈哈……我不知道如何描述。在非二元状态中,会有一个逐渐成熟的过程(由不同阶段的洞见构成)……在早期阶段,我们可能会试图消解或去除自我;而在后期状态,我们开始认识到去除的行为本身也是一种自我。到了更后阶段,会出现一种即时的证悟……这种证悟如何描述最适合由个人亲自体验来体会。

原文:
"Non-dual will reveal the insight that all along the self does not exist in a concrete manner. It will first be experienced as if experiences are 'flat'... ha ha... i dunno how to describe. In non-dual, there is a gradual maturing process (consisting of distinctive stage of insights)... where the self aspect gets better understood. In the early stage, we may try to dissolve or get rid of the self. In the later state, we begin to realise that the getting rid act is also a sense of self. Later on stage, there is an 'immediate' realisation...which i dunno how to describe and best experienced for oneself."


简体中文翻译:
我还想补充,虽然放下并非真正的非二元体验,但它是修行中非常重要的一部分。缓慢而渐进的放下练习,有助于为各种洞见的出现创造空隙。

原文:
"Will like to add that although 'letting go' is not the actual non-duality experience, it is an important part of practice. Slowly and gradually, the practice of letting go helps in creating gaps for the insights to occur."


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依我看,非二元与无我洞见之间存在区别。这两种体验虽然非常相似,但其洞见与理解却不同。
在非二元中,证悟在于没有主客分裂;而在无我中,证悟在于没有作为中介的施为者/主体(agent/我的存在。

原文:
"IMO, there is a difference between non-duality and no-self insight. Both experiences are quite similar, but the insight/understanding is different. In non-duality, the realisation is that there is no subject-object division. In no-self, well... the realisation is that there is no medium agent of a self."


简体中文翻译:
依我看,万事万物的生起与消逝体验源自无我洞见,而并非来自非二元证悟。

原文:
"IMO, the arising and passing away experience stems from the insight of no-self. It do not result from the non-dual realisation."


简体中文翻译:
非二元状态的证悟更为明显;
而无我则是一种更为微妙的洞见。有一种微妙的开关,正是这个微妙的开关使得自我既不会阻挡生起,也不会阻碍消逝。

原文:
"Non-duality is more obvious when it is experienced. No-self is a more subtle insight. There is a subtle 'switch'. It is this subtle switch that allows for the arising and passing away as the 'self' is not blocking the arising from passing away."


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根据我对无我的体验,当关于过去发生事件的念头出现时,那些过去的事件不会被归属于”……换句话说,它们仅被认作是念头或记忆。这会使念头得以消逝(消退),这种消逝甚至可以被直观地看到。同样,对于任何诸如思考和对未来的计划的心识内容,也会被认作不属于,从而消退。

原文:
"From my experience of no-self, when thoughts arise that are about passed events that happened... these past events will not be identified as belonging to 'me' ... in another word they are just recognised as thoughts/memories. This will enable the thoughts to dissolve (passing away) which could literally be 'seen'. Same goes with any mind contents such as thinking and planning for the future... they will be recognised as not belonging to 'me' and thus pass away."


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简体中文翻译:
是的,AEN 的看法是正确的。
就我而言,无我(anatta)的稳定证悟是在早期/初步体验空性之后才出现的。
在无我稳定之前,仍需付出大量努力去进入那种知见
具有讽刺意味的是,一旦无我体验稳定下来,人会惊讶于为什么自己当初没有看见这一点。这是因为那体验极其直接,就好像多年来一直在绕圈子,最终才看到了最明显、最直接的真相。然而,回想起来,多年的修行其实只是为了清除足够的障碍(习气以及概念条件作用)。

原文:
"Yep, AEN is correct. In my case, the stabilise realisation of No-self (anatta) came after the early/initial insight of emptiness. Before the stablisation of no-self, there was still substantial efforting in getting into the 'view'. The irony is that once the no-self experience is stabilised, one will wonder why did one not see it in the first place. This is because it is so direct. It is as if one is beating around the bush for years just to see the most obvious and direct. However, on hindsight, all the years of practice is really just clearing enough obscurations (habit as well as conceptual conditionings)."


简体中文翻译:
我的感觉是,下一阶段实际上是关于空性稳定化的。
依我体验,初步的洞见首先出现,随后会有多个循环反复检验这些洞见,直至每个洞见都稳定下来。

原文:
"My feeling is that the next stage is actually about the stabilisation of emptiness. In my experience, the initial insights will come first. Then there will be followed by cycles that will revisit these insights until a stabilisation of each insight occurs."


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嗨,Dharmadhatu
阻碍我们真正认识意识运作动态的,有许多障碍层。当你达到那个阶段,你将自然而然地明白那到底是什么。
目前,”——那种传统理解现实的方式、概念思维和对固体感的执著,正阻碍着我们体验所描述的状态。
实际上,一切都在一体化地发生,与整个宇宙同步。当你进食时,整个宇宙都在震动(在进食的动作中)。我相信,这正是佛陀能够无所不知的原因……因为实际上一切都是以全息方式相互连接的。

原文:
"Hi Dharmadhatu, There are layers of obscurations preventing the actual dynamics of consciousness from being known. Once you come to this stage, you will naturally understood what is it about. Currently, the 'I', conventional way of understanding reality, conceptual thoughts, sense of solidity are blocking the experience as described. In actuality, everything is happening at-one, in-sync with the entire 'universe'. When you eat, the whole universe vibrates (in the action of eating). This, i believe, is how a Buddha can be omniscent... able to know things that he wants as and when. ..for in actuality everything is interconnected in a holographic way."


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简体中文翻译:
嗨,Simpo,你当时努力进入的知见究竟是什么?
我所指的是无我之知见。实际上,知见这个词可能会引起误解,但无法用其他词来形容。
换句话说,在无我稳定之前,很难看清自我感如何混杂在各种内容和思维中。人们往往倾向于努力进入某个理想状态;而一旦无我稳定了,这种努力就会被正确地理解为自我感的努力。任何付出的努力都会促使自我感产生,就像一只狗不停地咬自己的尾巴……不断循环。

原文:
"Hi Simpo, what is the 'view' that you were efforting to get into at that point? " I am referring to the 'view' of no-self. Actually, the word view can be misleading but there is no way to describe it. Put it another way, before the stabilisation of no-self... it is hard to see how the 'sense of self' is muddled in the contents/thoughts. One will have a tendency to apply effort to get into a particular preferred state. With the stabilisation of no-self, this effort is correctly understood as 'sense of self' efforting. Every effort that is being applied causes the arising of the sense of self. It is like a dog trying to bite its own tail... going around in loop."


简体中文翻译:
另外,是什么触发了对空性的洞见?
除了通过解构之外,根本没有什么能真正触发对空性的洞见。但解构也可能导致其他体验……而当洞见来临时,往往是在最意想不到的时候。

原文:
"Also, what triggered off the insight into emptiness in the first place? There is no way to really trigger an insight into emptiness apart from deconstructing. But then deconstruction can also lead to other experiences... Also when the insight comes it will be when least expected."


简体中文翻译:
在洞见空性之前,可能会有强烈的光明体验……但人们绝不能执著于它,而必须放下。这样一来,其他特性(例如空性)才能显现出来。

原文:
"Prior to insight into emptiness, there may be a strong luminosity experience... but one must not get attached to it and let it go. This may allow the other characteristics (eg emptiness) to shine through."


简体中文翻译:
体验与证悟之间存在区别。在证悟中,存在一种知见;而在单纯体验中,则可能会产生误解。举例来说,这些体验与起身的昆达里尼现象可能非常相似……主要区别在于,体验可能会误解实际发生了什么。

原文:
"There is a distinction between experience and realisation. In the realisation, there is a knowing. In an experience, there is a misinterpretation. For example, these experiences can be quite similar to Kundalini arising... The main difference is that an experience can be a misinterpretation of what actually happened."


简体中文翻译:
对实际情况的误解,会阻碍进一步、更深层的体验。例如,如果一个人经历了我是体验并认为存在一个永恒的见证者/观察者……/她就无法体验到非二元。因而,由我是体验引起的误解,会切断直接理解或证悟非二元的机会。同样的情况也适用于空性和无我证悟。

原文:
"A misinterpretation of what actually happened will prevent further and deeper experiences. For example, if one has an I AM experience and believe that there is an eternal witness/observer. ... he/she will not be able to have a non-dual experience. Thus the opportunity to directly understand/realise non-duality is severed by the misinterpretation caused by the I AM experience. This same thing applies to the realisation of emptiness and no-self."


简体中文翻译:
实际上……所有体验本身已经是无我且空性的……正因为如此,解脱才有可能实现。

原文:
"Actually...all experiences are already no-self and empty... It is because this is so that liberation is possible."


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嗨,诸位,
我想推荐一篇不错的文章:《金刚净土修持》。
链接:http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/tantra/level1_getting_started/vajrasattva_purification_basics.html
最初由 Dharmadhatu 发布:
我曾读过,据说在密宗中,净化业力最深奥的两种方法是修持金刚萨埵和以心性为依托休息。
我的朋友们通过这一修持,提升了智慧,治愈了疾病,去除了那些不利于修行的破坏性模式,增强了心智的清明和力量等等。这是清除修行路上障碍的重要途径。因为金刚萨埵乃是所有神佛的精髓。仅仅修持他的咒语,就涵盖了所有其他佛/神,而金刚萨埵的修持也与中阴体验密切相关。

原文:
"Hi All, Will like to recommend a nice article: Vajrasattva Purification http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/tantra/level1_getting_started/vajrasattva_purification_basics.html Originally posted by Dharmadhatu: i have read that the 2 most profound ways to clear karma in the Vajrayana is to practise Vajrasattva and rest in nature of mind. My friends have increased their intelligence, cured diseases, removed destructive patterns that were unconducive to practice, increased clarity & strength of mind etc etc etc. through this practice. It is a main way to clear obstacles on the path. As Vajrasattva is the quintessence of all deities. Simply to practice his mantra covers all the other Buddhas / Deities and Vajrasattva practice is also intimately connected to the bardo experiences."


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Simpo
是的,我发现金刚萨埵净化法非常有力。顺便提一下,我也是在今年初不久才发现这一方法的。
这一切都是通过有趣的方式开始的……起初,我担心我认识的某个人可能会走向负面、从而在来生陷入凄惨的境地。因为人们并不总是相信我所说的……我就想,也许我应该去武吉士庙向观音求一个签,然后用这个签纸作为一种物质的传递信息。所以我告诉那个人,我将前往观音庙,向观音询问她的来生状况如何。果然……签上显示的是不佳的结果。但更重要的是签上的信息。它写道,由于缺乏福报或其他原因,将不会有回报/好结果,而且人生的境遇由一个人的福报决定。
有了这个签,我便把签纸交给了那个人。后来我便去查找有关福报的资料,偶然发现了金刚萨埵净化法……于是接下来我就向他人推荐这一净化法,同时自己也开始修持。
我发现,无论采用哪种修行方法,深切尊师是非常重要的,不论你是否能亲眼见到老师。若缺乏深切尊师之心,就会滋生骄傲、失去信心,从而导致理解无法有效传递。

原文:
"Simpo: Yes, I find Vajrasattva Purification to be very powerful. Incidentally, i have only discovered this method not too long ago..in the beginning of the year. It is through 'interesting' means... It started, when i was concerned that someone i know might be going towards negativity and thus falling into woeful state in future life. As people dun always believe what i say... i thought maybe i should get a 'qian' from Guan Yin at the Bugis temple... and use the 'qian' paper as a physical message. So i told the person that i will be going to Guan Yin temple to ask Guan Yin about 'what her future life condition will be'. As expected... the qian is a 'bad' one. But more importantly is the message of the qian. It says that there will be no reward/good result due to lack of merits or something like that. and that the conditions in life is determined by ones' merits. With that, i gave the 'qian' paper to the person. I went to search on the topic of 'merit' and chance upon Vajrasattva Purification... Next i recommend the Vajrasattva Purification to others and practice it myself. :) What I have found is that with whatever practice, deep respect for the Teacher is very important whether you can see the Teacher or not. Without deep respect, there will be pride and no faith and thus understandings cannot be effectively transmitted."

脚注/附注:
“qian”,为求签的意思。


简体中文翻译:
“newbie”发帖内容:
你修持哪种净化法?那篇文章其实并未真正教导净化法,而且某些方法需要灌顶。

原文:
"Originally posted by 'newbie': What purification practice you do? The article didn't actually teach the purification practice and certain method needs initiation"


简体中文翻译:
Simpo
在文章中就有说明。文章还详细描述了业力的运作动态。
另外,还有一篇更简单的文章:
http://www.fpmt-osel.org/meditate/vjrstva.htm
此外,请先读懂这些文本的含义……看看这是否正是你所追求的。正如我一再强调的……要取得成效,必须怀有深切的尊师心。
再者……你不能用其他那些包含内观证悟、专注和持戒的基本修行来替代这一方法。

原文:
"Simpo: It is in the article. The article also gave a very detailed description of karmic dynamics. Anyway a simpler article: http://www.fpmt-osel.org/meditate/vjrstva.htm Also... read the meaning of the texts first .. and see if this is what you aspire towards. Again as i have stressed... to be effective.. there must be deep respect. Plus... you cannot replace this with the other essential practices entailing insight practices, concentration and morality."


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“StriveOn”发帖内容:
抱歉,诸位,但我想提出一些尖锐的问题。
佛陀是否曾说过我们可以通过反复诵念咒语10万次来净化我们的业力?
佛陀到底是如何论述业力的生成以及我们应当如何应对的?
我只是想保持话题的正轨……”

原文:
"Originally posted by StriveOn: Sorry guys, but I want to put up some tough questions here. Did Buddha says we can purify our karma by reciting a mantra 100,000 times? What did Buddha says about Karmic formations and what we should do? Just want to keep on track..."


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Simpo
其实……我不该提起这一修行方法,因为这会给某些人带来太多混乱。
总而言之,仅靠咒语和可视化显然没有力量……人必须理解其含义。这就像是一种意图与承诺的表述。
另外,世界并不像你所见的那样。对于那些证悟了空性的人来说,他们也会理解,空间、时间、距离和位置仅仅是印象而已。它们并不存在于一个坚固、永恒的意义上。这意味着,圣者的开悟与智慧仍然是可以获得的,因为它们不受空间、时间、距离和位置的限制。世界/意识实际上是全息的。
不,这些圣者不会减少你的业力。依我看来,更像是:通过与开悟圣者的调谐……在这个过程中,你会获得支持。就像一块未充电的金属,接触到真正的磁铁后,可以逐渐被磁化一样。

原文:
"Simpo: Actually.. i should not have bring up this practice as it raises too much confusion with certain people. In a nutshell, the mantra and visualisation alone of course will have no power... one must understand the meaning. It is like a statement of intention and commitment. Additionally, the world is not what you see as it is. For those who realises emptiness, one will also understand that space, time, distance and locations are just impressions. They don't exist in a solid and permanent sense. That means, the Enlightenment and Wisdom of Great Beings are still accessible as they are not restricted by space, time, distance and locations. The world/consciousness is really holographic. No, these Being will not reduce your karma. IMO, it is more like by being attuned with Enlightened Being... and in the process one gets supported along the way. It is like as if an uncharged metal can be progressively magnetised when come in contact with a real magnet."


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Sim Pern Chong2006

永恒见证者存在吗?

在深度禅定状态中,可以觉察到一种无所不在的临在。这种临在往往在念头暂时停止时体验到。在这种状态下,我们会感受到永恒见证者的存在。

但是,永恒见证者真的存在吗?不。

过去,我曾认为它存在……作为我们的真我。但现在不再如此。

那么,是什么造成了见证者印象呢?

通过深度禅定观察,我们发现,见证者仅仅是一种印象,它由微妙的知觉和连续的观察所引起。念头以闪电般的速度不断涌现,每一瞬间都会在紧接着前一瞬间留下微妙的印记。这种连续的变化产生了被称为永恒见证者的微妙见证感。

没有永久不变的见证者,而是每时每刻不断变化的见证。换句话说,并不存在永久的永恒见证者

原文:
"Sim Pern Chong, 2006:

Is there an Eternal Witness?

During deep meditative states, an all-pervading Presence is detectable. This Presence, is most often experienced when thoughts are momentarily suspended. In this state, we sense the Eternal Witness.

But does the Eternal Witness truly exist? No.

In the past, I would have thought that it existed... as our true self. Not anymore.

So what causes the impression of the Witness?

From deep meditative observation, the witness is realised to be just an impression that is caused by subtle knowingness and sequential observation. Moment to moment arises in lightning fast speed. The second moment got a subtle imprint of the recently preceded one. This sequential change causes the sense of Subtle Witnessing known as the Eternal Witness.

There is no permanent unchanging Witness, but ever changing moment to moment witnessing. In another word, no permanent 'Eternal Witness' exist."


脚注/附注:

  1. 临在在此处指的是一种全然觉知的存在状态。
  2. 永恒见证者是指在深度禅定中所体验到的持续观察现象,而非固定不变的实体。

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  • Thusness/PasserBy 的《开悟的七阶段》
  • 关于无我、空性、至大与平常,以及自然本自圆成
  • 从不同角度探讨证悟、体验和无二体验
  • Thusness 的早期论坛帖子
  • Thusness 早期论坛帖子 第二部分》
  • Thusness 早期论坛帖子 第三部分》
  • 《早期对话 第四部分》
  • 《早期对话 第五部分》
  • 《早期对话 第六部分》
  • Thusness 的早期对话(2004-2007)合并成一份 PDF 文档》
  • Thusness 2004 2012 年的对话》
  • 关于缘起的随意评论
  • 留下痕迹或证悟?
  • 空性作为无见的见与拥抱无常
  • 将无二置于前台(Thusness 在我经历非二体验——我是/本我之后但在无我证悟之前——后写给我的)
  • 抛开临在,深入穿透双重空性(Thusness 在我经历初步无我证悟之后写给我的)
  • 回复 Yacine
  • 大喜之印
  • 无限觉体的领域
  • 《佛陀论无二》评论区
  • 为什么对镜子特别感兴趣?
  • 什么才是真正的佛教教义?
  • 无我之路
  • 通往纯知的关键
  • 那里没有地、火、风、空间、水

原文:
"Labels: Anatta, Emptiness, Simpo/Longchen, Stages of Enlightenment 7 comments | | Sep 17 Early Forum Posts by Thusness Soh (Note: Simpo = Longchen = Sim Pern Chong)

Note: If you like to read more of Thusness/PasserBy's writings, check out:

Thusness/PasserBy's Seven Stages of Enlightenment On Anatta (No-Self), Emptiness, Maha and Ordinariness, and Spontaneous Perfection Realization and Experience and Non-Dual Experience from Different Perspectives Early Forum Posts by Thusness Part 2 of Early Forum Posts by Thusness Part 3 of Early Forum Posts by Thusness Early Conversations Part 4 Early Conversations Part 5 Early Conversations Part 6 Thusness's Early Conversations (2004-2007) Part 1 to 6 in One PDF Document Thusness's Conversation Between 2004 to 2012 A casual comment about Dependent Origination Leaving traces or Attainment? Emptiness as Viewless View and Embracing the Transience Bringing Non-Dual to Foreground (Thusness wrote this to me after I was having nondual experiences after I AM but before anatta realization) Putting aside Presence, Penetrate Deeply into Two Fold Emptiness (Thusness wrote this to me after I was having a deeper insight into anatta after an initial realization of anatta) Reply to Yacine Direct Seal of Great Bliss The Unbounded Field of Awareness Comments section of The Buddha on Non-Duality Why the Special Interest in Mirror? What is an Authentic Buddhist Teaching? The Path of Anatta The Key Towards Pure Knowingness The place where there is no earth, fire, wind, space, water"


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简体中文翻译:

(上图:2004年由 Longchen/Simpo 创作的艺术作品)

这里是一些 2004 年和 2005 年期间由 Thusness 发表在论坛上的早期帖子。(注:Longchen = Simpo,即另一位来自新加坡的朋友)

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原文:

"(above: artwork by Longchen/Simpo in 2004)

Here are some early forum postings by Thusness back in 2004 and 2005. (note: longchen = simpo, another friend from Singapore)"


注:以上为文本的第一部分,下一部分的翻译将在下一条消息中继续。

 

简体中文翻译:

http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/100855

Longchen:
嗨,

除了禅那之外,你是否曾体验过处于无念状态下的纯净空灵临在?那才是一切众生的真实状态/本体。它超越了心智,超越了概念。

这种纯净的临在是无处不在的,同时又是虚无的。在我的体验中,禅那有所不同。禅那就像在冥想中向外看,而纯净的临在则是向内看。我无法很好地描述这一点。

当一个人正处于无欲无求的瞬间时,最能感受到纯净的临在。纯净临在就像一道射入心灵的光线,其属性构成了你的个性。

嗨,僧伽,

我无法确定纯净临在是否即为涅槃。我只能根据自己的经验和理解来写作。

这种纯净的临在在藏传佛教中被称为觉性(Rigpa)。我在此生并非佛教徒,但我曾在多个前世中是一位宁玛派的藏传僧侣。这也是我至今对佛教保持浓厚兴趣的原因。

关于觉性,当我们体验它时,它是无形且空性,同时又是无限和无处不在的。它并非极乐。极乐是一种三昧状态,但它还未达到真实本性的境界,它仍然只是一种心中的状态。我也曾有过极乐体验,事实上我现在在冥想之外也时常体验到。

觉性是一种属于你自己的临在,与宇宙中的一切相连。这大概就是佛陀所说无我的原因。诸法在法身中彼此相连。觉性是法身的一部分。当处于这种状态时,没有的分隔……我们皆是一体,这种状态无法用言语描述。

然而,我必须指出,即使现在,在我阅读这些文字时,我们已然具备觉性。我们之所以没有意识到这一点,是因为我们认为自己仅仅是心智/个性。心智/个性只是觉性的一种映像,并非真我。如果你理解我所写的内容,你可能会突然觉醒/证悟。如果这种证悟足够深刻,你看待世界的方式也将随之改变。

这只是我个人的一点意见……


原文:

"http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/100855

Longchen: Hi,

Besides the Jhanas, have you experience pure empty Presence in a state of no thought? That is the true state of a Being. It is beyond the mind, beyond concepts.

This pure Presence is all pervading, yet void at the same time. In my experience, the Jhanas are different. Jhana's are like 'looking outward' in a meditation, pure Presence is 'looking inwards'. I can't describe it very well.

Pure presence can best be felt when a person is at the moment free from desires. Pure presence is like the ray that emits its properties into the mind. The properties of the pure presence form your personality.

Hi Sangha,

I am in no position to say whether Pure presence is nibbana. I can only write from my own experience and understanding.

This pure presence is called Rigpa in Tibetan Buddhism. I am not a Buddhist in this life, but I was a Tibetan Monk of Nyingma school several lifetimes ago. That is why I still have a lot of interest in Buddhism.

About Rigpa, when we experience it. It is formless and empty and at the same time infinite and all pervading. It is NOT BLISS. Bliss is a samadhi state but it is not the true nature yet, it is still a state in the mind. I have bliss experiences also, in fact i have then now quite often outside of meditation also.

Rigpa is a presence of 'yourself' that is connect to everything in the universe. That is probably why the Buddha say that there is 'no self'. All is connect to all in the Dharmakaya. Rigpa is a part of the Dharmakaya. When in the state, there is no separation into you or me... We are all one thing which cannot be described.

However, I must say that even now, while reading this, we are already the rigpa. We do not realise this is because we THINK we are just the mind/personality. The mind/personality is a REFLECTION from rigpa. It is not the true self. If you understand what I am write, you may get a sudden awakening/realisation. And if the realisation is deep enough, your viewpoint or way of seeing the world will change.

Just my 2 cents..."


脚注/附注:

  1. 文中“Jhanas”指禅那,代表冥想中专注的状态。
  2. “Nibbana”为涅槃,此处用以质疑纯净临在是否即为涅槃。
  3. “Dharmakaya”指法身,即佛的真体。

简体中文翻译:

Thusness:
嗨,LongChen

内在外在都是分析性心智的产物。只有心智才需要这样的分割、概念和思维。临在并不容纳这一切。它以自然性和直接性运作,既没有时间,也过于简单而不容有思考。

然而,即便当一个人体验到这种纯粹存在感时,由于潜在的业力倾向,心智仍会试图创造出一种无形、透明般的实体()来体验事物。实际上,并不存在所谓的

蓝天的蔚蓝并不等同于
保持沉默,并在临在中,万物皆其完整呈现。
无需
这一切本身就足够了。

祝旅途愉快。


原文:

"Thusness:

Hi LongChen,

Even the "inner" and "outer" are production of the analytical mind. Only the mind requires such division, concepts and thoughts. The Presence has no room for all these. It works through naturalness and directness. Too short to have time and too simple to have thought.

However even when one experiences this pure sense of existence, due to latent karmic tendencies, the mind will still attempt to create a formless-transparent-like entity ('I') experiencing "things". In reality there is no 'I'.

The 'Blueness' of the blue sky isn't 'I'. Remain Silence and in Presence, all things are in their entirety. No 'I' is required. This itself is sufficient.

Happy Journey."


脚注/附注:

  1. 此处内在外在均指心智划分出的概念,并非实际存在的二元分割。

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简体中文翻译:

Longchen
嗨,
感谢你那深刻的讲解。
请问……如何才能时时常常维持临在?这是否需要清除所有业力倾向(samcaras/samskara)?
我明白临在始终存在。是否有可能在与他人交谈时仍然保持临在?
目前,我只有在不与任何人交谈时,才能切换到见证状态。
谢谢。

原文:

"Longchen:

Hi Thusness,

Thank you for your profound explanation.

May I ask ... how do one remain in Presence all the time. Does it require the clearing of all karmic tendencies (samcaras/samskara).

I understand that the Presence is there all the time. Is it possible to be in presence even when engaged in say a conversation with another person?

Currently, switching to witness state is only possible when I am not engaged in any conversation.

Thanks"


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
嗨,Long Chen
是的,这是可能的。但尽管我不愿多言,这里没有什么、哪里、何时、为什么以及如何的答案。听起来荒谬,但事实如此。这正是不具备自然性(Naturalness)的特征。
然而,心智会顽固地执着于这种现有的认知模式,因为对心来说,那就是一切。似乎一个真诚的修行者必须不断深入探究自身,直到完全耗尽自己并迎来自身的死亡——的死亡。
放下并彻底理解整个思维及分析机制的贫乏,将使心智得以安息于虚无之上。在此,业力倾向自然而然地产生又消退,无需刻意挣扎。
正是在这种时刻,无为而知(effortless knowing)开始显现。一种完全清晰的本性化作纯净临在展现出来。
深入探索我们内在深处,总会发现那股意志、努力等——这种不愿放下、不愿存在的状态。简单地说,就是这种执着分隔了我们。
最后,尽量不要在身体中寻找固定的位置。真实的本性遍满虚空。为那既非内也非外的那(真如本性)划定界限终将证明是徒劳的。临在自会在他性中呈现。身体制造了内向的幻觉与分裂。我们过于沉溺于分析,以致失去了直觉与直接性。既然你已经体验过纯净临在,就请感知那持有的,并立刻放下。
临在始终“如是”。
聊得愉快,微笑。

原文:

"Thusness:

Hi Long Chen,

Yes it is possible. But as much as I would not like to say, there is no what, where, when, why and how. Sounds senseless but it is true. These are what Naturalness is not.

Nevertheless, the mind will be stubbornly attached to this current mode of knowing because to the mind, it is all there is. It seems to be a destined journey that a sincere seeker has to continue penetrating its own depth, till it completely exhausts itself and meet its own DEATH. The death of the 'I'.

The giving up and full understanding of the poverty of the entire thinking and analytical mechanism will allow the mind to rest itself upon nothing. Here karmic tendency arises and ceases as it is, no effort to struggle is made. This is the time effortless knowing arises. A complete clarity of ISness manifesting as pure Presence.

Seek deep into the depths of our own self, there is always this Will, Effort..etc. This Unwillingness to let go, to be. Simply put, it is this that separates.

Lastly try not to find a sit in the body. The true nature fills all space. Creating a boundary for What that is neither within nor without will eventually prove futile. Presence finds itself in Otherness. The body has created the illusion of 'inward' and divides. We have engaged ourselves in too much analysis and lost our intuitiveness and directness. Since you have experienced the pure Presence, sense the 'I' that holds and let go immediately. Presence always IS.

Nice Chat Smile"


简体中文翻译:

Longchen
嗨,Thusness
明白了。
你确实开悟了。
谢谢。
临在……
寻找它,失去它,然后在心中循环;
随遇而安……安住在临在中。

原文:

"Longchen:

Hi Thusness,

Got it.

You are indeed enlightened.

Thanks

Presence...

Search for it, loses it and cycle within the mind Let things be.... rest in presence."


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
当事物存在时?那是什么?

原文:

"Thusness:

When things are "be"? What is it? "


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简体中文翻译:

Longchen
嗨,Sangha
当临在消失时会怎样?没有思维、没有临在……那会不会是一种空白?
我曾有一次冥想进入了一种空白状态,没有任何感知。当心智再次活动时,我才意识到我曾处于那种空白之中。
谢谢你。

原文:

"Longchen:

Hi Sangha,

What happens when presence is eliminated. No thought, no presence... then could this be a blank?

I do have a time when i meditated into a blank. No perception. it was when the mind 'moves' again that i realise that i was in the blank.

Thanks you."


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
嗨,LongChen
空白状态是一种定境,其中知觉功能的意识暂时被暂停。完全的清晰和无状态下的临在更加关键。微笑
那种由无数生命中因执着而产生的不能被低估。
我们几乎处于一种无助的束缚之中,我们的感知被塑造并固定在一种类似催眠的状态中,我们感受、思考、体验,并从的角度推导出我们的理解。因此,从对纯净临在现实的一瞥中所获得的分析性理解很快就会变得扭曲。
当我们以闭合所有感官通道的状态体验临在时,临在表现为一种我是/本我I AM)。
而当我们以全开所有感官通道的状态体验临在时,临在表现为一种我全是” (I AM All)
然而,这两种体验都未能揭示纯净临在的真实本质。
即便那种真实感、存在感、生命感以及生动感极为强烈,由于的存在,会在某处产生一种定位感,纯净临在的真实面貌依然隐藏不露。
心智尚未习惯认识那绝对的虚无、非局部/无方所(non-local)、无处可寻而又纯净、光明/光辉灿烂、永远明亮的实相。
它会去寻找,会抓取。
总有一天,心智必须彻底放下自身。
如果我们足够勇敢放下,进入那个无言、无标记、无思维的世界,并且如果这种状态得以持续,智慧与洞见就会出现。
这种智慧便是那非凡的清晰、生动、真实与整体性。
它晶莹剔透,充满了所有空间和处所。
无论在寂静中还是喧嚣中,无论在空白中还是在充盈中,那些体验到纯净临在的人将会欣赏这晶莹剔透的现实。
这种对纯净临在的再度体验将是彻底而完整的。
毫无疑问。
佛教中空性的智慧是深邃而博大。请深入探究。微笑
祝你旅途愉快。

原文:

"Thusness:

Hi LongChen,

The blankness is a form of absorption where the knowing faculty of consciousness is temporarily suspended. Complete clarity and Presence without a 'Self' is more crucial. Smile

The 'Self' that is created over countless lives of attachment cannot be underestimated. We are in almost helpless bondage that our perceptions are shaped and held in a sort of hypnosis that we feel, think, experience and deduced our understandings from the perspective of an 'I'. Thus analytical understanding derived from the glimpse of the Pure Presence Reality will very quickly get distorted.

When Presence is experienced with the six sense doors shut, Presence is experienced as a form of "I AMness". When Presence is experience with six sense doors widely open, Presence is experienced as a form of "I AM All".

However neither experience tells us the TRUE NATURE of Pure Presence. Even the very sense of Realness, of Existence, of Life and Vividness is so strong, due to the sense of 'I' there will be a sense of location somewhere, and the true face of Pure Presence remains hidden.

The mind is just not used to knowing the absolutely nothing, non-local, nowhere to be found yet pure, brilliance bright and ever luminous. It will locate, it will find, it will grasp. There must come a time for the mind to let go of itself completely. If we are bold enough to let go and enter into the world that is wordless, labelless and thoughtless, and if this is sustained, wisdom and insight will arise. This wisdom is the extraordinary Clarity, Vividness and Realness, wholeness whole. It is crystal clear filling all spaces and places. Both in silence and in noise, in blankness and somethingness. Those that experience the Pure Presence will appreciate this crystal clear reality. This re-visiting of Pure Presence will be thorough and entire. There will be no doubt.

Buddhism Emptiness is deep and profound. Do go into it. Smile Happy Journey"


简体中文翻译:

Longchen
嗨,Thusness
你的信息充满了真理,谢谢你。我会按照你的建议去做。非常高兴。

原文:

"Longchen:

Hi Thusness,

Your message feels of truth. Thanks for it. I will do as you advice. Very Happy"


简体中文翻译:

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原文:

"http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/157333?page=2"


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
嗨,Longchen
这终究无法把握,并非因为终极对象无法成为观察的对象;而是因为从一开始,任何内在某处的某人的设想都是错误的。真正的真实在于我们意识到任何形式的中心性都是虚幻的。
要体验存在本质的纯净临在,我是/本我的状态必须彻底溶解。你所体验到的纯净临在是非方所/局部的,没有中心。它因线性分析方式而呈现为我是/本我
如果有时间,请探索内观冥想以及空性的本质。眨眼示意微笑。
此致,
Thusness

原文:

"Thusness:

Hi longchen,

It is ungraspable not because the Ultimate Object cannot be the subject of observation; but rather there is really no such ‘ultimate object’ hiding behind anywhere. A ‘someone’ inside somewhere is from the very beginning a mistake. True authenticity comes when we realized that any form of ‘centricity’ is illusionary. To experience the Pure Presence of Isness, “I AMness” must completely dissolve. The Pure Presence you experienced is non-local and has no-center. It becomes an ‘I AM’ due to linear mode of analysis. If you have time do explore into insight meditation and the essence of ‘Emptiness’ Wink

Regards, Thusness"


简体中文翻译:

Longchen
嗨,Thusness
明白了。我会照你的建议去做。
我有一个希望你能回答的问题……如果我是/本我状态完全溶解,我们是否就难以与普通社会建立联系?
顺便说一句,很高兴再次听到你的消息。微笑
此致。

原文:

"Longchen:

Hi Thusness,

OK. Will do so.

I have a question that hopefully you can answer... if I Amness completely dissolves won't we have difficulty relating to normal society?

BTW, nice to hear from you again.Smile

Regards."


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
嗨,Long Chen
很高兴见到你和永恒现在也同在。微笑
至于你问的一个人的开悟是否会妨碍其与普通社会交往,我认为不会。
对于一位达到根本境界的人来说,无论他扮演僧侣、教师、商人还是乞丐的角色,他都能保持自由。在实际应用中,他自会知道如何与一切和谐共融,完全融入其中。
在佛法中,无我并非道德问题,而是什么是现象的真实本性的问题。从宏观宇宙到夸克的微观世界,从时间到空间,从身体到意识,所有这一切都展示了这一特性。空性无处不在。即便在此刻,我们也目睹着空性真理的运作——当下一经产生便消逝。
事物不存在任何恒常不变的(自我),只有变化。将事物视为固体实体并将其划分为这个那个,正是由于我们思维机制的贫乏,这并非真实。
贴标签的行为会使事物显得坚固且彼此分离,甚至当我们处理我们自身最本质——纯粹觉知时,也会把它定义为我是/本我我是/本我也许是思维心所能达到的最远界限,并且它绝非仅仅用于交流的表达。我们总是寻求、发现并试图定位它,就好像它是某个隐藏着的坚固实体。只要这种错误的看法持续存在,就必然会产生执着和苦难。这就是事实;你无法用一个来消除执着。
因此,通过觉醒空性智慧来看到事物的能力在佛法中尤为重要。
在毗婆舍那(观察如其本然的实相)的修行中,赤裸注意力训练我们不带标签、不带文字层次地观察,它为我们呈现了一种体验现实的新模式——一种不断变化、不可分割的流动。没有这种思维层次,便无处寄居,而的束缚也会逐渐松解和消退。如果业力条件成熟,纯觉知与现象世界之间的神秘关系便会显现。
我是/本我体验是我们裸露意识的直观体验。它是面对面地见到意识、直接触摸意识,而中间没有任何思维。但必须理解其空寂本性,方可进一步进展。
我现在得走了……请保重,微笑。

原文:

"Thusness:

Hi Long Chen,

Nice to see you and Eternal Now too. Smile As to your question whether one's enlightenment will hinder oneself from relating in a normal society, I supposed not. For one that has arrived at the fundamental ground, whatever role he assumes, whether as a monk, teacher, businessman or a beggar, he remains free. When it comes to practical application, he will naturally know how to harmonize and fuses completely with everything.

In Buddhism, No-Self is not a question of morality; it is a question of the true nature of the phenomenon reality. From the macro universe to the quantum world of quarks, from time to space, from body to consciousness, all exhibit this characteristic. Emptiness prevails everywhere. Even right now at this moment, we witness the Emptiness truth in action -- the moment ceases as it arises. There is no changing thing (Self), only change. Viewing things as solid entities and categorizing them as 'this' or 'that' is due to the poverty of our thinking mechanism, it is not reality.

The act of labeling will make 'things' appear solid and separated, to the extent that even when we are dealing with the very essence of ourselves -- the pure awareness, we make it an 'I AM'. 'I AMness' is perhaps the furthest the Thinking-Mind can give way and it is never meant merely as an expression for communication. We seek, find and attempt to locate it as if it is a solid entity hiding somewhere. As long as this wrong way of 'seeing' persists, there will be attachments and sufferings. This is the way it is; you cannot eliminate attachment with an 'I'. Therefore the capacity to see by awakening the emptiness wisdom is especially important in Buddhism.

Bare attention that is taught in insight meditation trains one to see without labeling, without a layer of words. It presents us a new mode of experiencing reality as an ever changing inseparable flux. Without this layer of thought, 'I' has no place to reside and slowly the bond of 'I' will loosen and subside. If the karmic condition ripens, the mysterious relationship between the pure awareness and the phenomenon world will be revealed.

The experience of I AM is an intuitive experience of our naked consciousness. It is seeing Consciousness face to face and touching Consciousness directly without in between thoughts. But its Emptiness nature must be understood to progress further. I got to go now....do take care. Smile

Thusness"


简体中文翻译:

Longchen
嗨,Thusness
非常感谢你的解释。这对我来说至关重要,我十分感激。非常开心。
在阅读了你所写内容后……我去冥想了。
观察那些涌现的思绪,似乎每个思绪之间都有某种联系。偶尔会产生一种回忆的欲望,一个新思绪便会出现,唤起那回忆。但每一刻似乎都是崭新的时刻……既无过去也无未来。
思绪与记忆的连续与回忆一一涌现……但似乎没有任何人观察这些思绪。那观察者只是一种印象……并不存在真实的观察者。
的印象似乎正是由这种连续性和回忆能力所引起的。
这是准确的吗?
致以诚挚的问候与敬意。
Longchen/Simpo

原文:

"Longchen:

Hi Thusness,

Thank you very much for your explanation. It is most important. I am most grateful.Very Happy

After reading, what you wrote... I went to meditate.

Observing the thoughts that arises, there appears to be a relationship between each thoughts. Occasionally, a desire to recall arises, a new thought will arise that does a recall. But each moment seems to be a fresh moment. .. with no second and no past.

The continuity and the recall of thoughts and memories arises one after another... but there appears to be NO ONE observing the thoughts. The observer is an impression... there is no observer. The impression of a self appears to be due to the continuity and the recalling of memories.

If this is correct... then the 'I' is but the impression caused by the continuity and recalling ability.

This is accurate?

Kind regards and respect.

Longchen/simpo"


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
是的,LongChen
虽然有思维活动,但没有思维者。从一个时刻到另一个时刻的连续,并不需要一个会阻碍直接的觉知。这种情况必须扩展到其他五种感官(眼、耳、鼻、舌、身)。
无我体验必须彻底。微笑

原文:

"Thusness:

Yes LongChen,

There is thinking but there is no thinker. Succession from one moment to another does not require an ‘I’. The ‘I’ prevents direct perception. This must be extended to the rest of the 5 senses (eye, ear, nose, tongue, body). The experience of no-self must be thorough. Smile"


简体中文翻译:

Longchen
嗨,Thusness
非常感谢……我会那样做。非常开心。
要让佛陀察觉差别,他的觉知一定是锐利如刀、迅捷无比的。

原文:

"Longchen:

Hi Thusness,

Thank you so much.. Will do so.Very Happy

For Buddha to spot the difference, his perception must have been razor-sharp and fast."


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
嗨,LongChen
没错。佛陀确实是如此清晰、精准且准确。如此深刻的洞见与明澈必定源于完全解脱的心境。微笑
在体验了以所有六种感官且不带标签、无文字干扰下的空性觉知(正如你在我是/本我体验中直接感受并直观体验到的那样)之后,请你进一步探索18界,并以四法印验证你那直观的体验。

原文:

"Thusness:

Hi LongChen,

Yes indeed. Buddha is so clear, precise and accurate. Such penetrating insight and clarity must come from a mind that is completely free. Smile

After experiencing the Emptiness nature of consciousness in all the six senses without labeling and words (directly felt and intuitively experienced as in the case of "I AM" that you experienced), do explore into the 18 dhatus and authenticate your intuitive experience with the 4 dharma Seals."


简体中文翻译:

[此处紧接原文中的链接部分直接复现,不需要翻译链接文本]

原文:

"http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/159700?page=2"


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
嗨,LongChen
理解生命的奥秘真是难以领会。正如不存在半个无限一样,运动才是真正的源泉。意识的本质是无我,它正是我们所体验到的那种他性,而非与自身相分离。那隐藏的未显现者永远在显现,在运动中,一切皆为“如是”。
我们所想象中的工作者战士比我们想象的还要多。有的播下光明(luminosity)的种子,有的则播下空性。有些人虽然未必意识到自己所承担的角色,但无论是有意或无意,他们都在执行自己的任务。这些任务的执行可能看起来彼此矛盾,好似开悟者之间在互相斗争。因此,斗争并不仅仅是黑暗对抗光明。微笑
从源头的角度来看,连那微不足道的产生时刻也不存在冲突——所谓失衡只存在于形式之中。是生命的开始,而它同时也是死亡的开始。智者因此超越形式的表象,着眼于因、缘、果,并洞察现实的空性。

原文:

"Thusness: Hi LongChen,

It is difficult to comprehend the mystery of life. Just like there is no half-infinity, the Movement is really the Source. The nature of Consciousness is without self, it is the very otherness that we experience, not to distant itself from itself. The hidden unmanifest is ever manifesting, in the movement everything IS.

There are more workers and warriors then we imagine. Some plant the seed of luminosity, some plant Emptiness. Not all are aware of their designated roles but knowingly or unknowingly they carry out their tasks. The tasks carried out might appear conflicting as if enlightened beings battling among themselves. Thus battling is not only dark against light. Smile

From the perspective of the source, there is no conflict, not even in the minuteness moment of arising – a lost balance does not exist in reality but only in forms. ‘Birth’ is the beginning of life and yet it is also the beginning of Death. The wise therefore look beyond the appearance of forms and works on cause, condition and effect and understands the emptiness nature of reality."


简体中文翻译:

[此处紧接原文中的链接部分直接复现,不需要翻译链接文本]

原文:

"http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/159058 Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

Quite a good article I found from a quite well known Western Dzogchen teacher, Lama Surya Das. ... Why chase after thoughts, which are superficial ripples of present awareness? Rather look directly into the naked, empty nature of thoughts; then there is no duality, no observer, and nothing observed. Simply rest in this transparent, nondual present awareness. Make yourself at home in the natural state of pure presence, just being, not doing anything in particular. Present awareness is empty, open, and luminous; not a concrete substance, yet not nothing. Empty, yet it is perfectly cognizant, lucid, aware. As if magically, not by causing it to be aware, but innately aware, awareness continuously functions. These two sides of present awareness or Rigpa-its emptiness and its cognizance (lucidity)-are inseparable. Emptiness and luminosity (knowing) are inseparable. They are formless, as if nothing whatsoever, ungraspable, unborn, undying; yet spacious, vivid, buoyant. Nothing whatsoever, yet Emaho!, everything is magically experienced. Simply recognize this. Look into the magical mirror of mind and appreciate this infinite magical display. With constant, vigilant mindfulness, sustain this recognition of empty, open, brilliant awareness. ...."


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
一篇非常启发性的文章,非常高兴。
仅补充一点:那种纯净觉知“……是无形的,仿佛什么都没有,无法捉摸,未生未灭;……”
这些特性并非仅属于纯觉知的独有属性,所有现象存在都具有这种似乎难以知晓且无法捉摸的本质。现实正是如此,纯觉知并不独占一切。

原文:

"Thusness:

A very enlightening article. Very Happy

Just a point to add, the pristine awareness "...is formless, as if nothing whatsoever, ungraspable, unborn, undying;..."

These characteristics aren’'t attributes peculiar only to pure awareness, all phenomenon existence possess this seemingly unknowable and ungraspable nature. It simply is how reality is where pure awareness has no monopoly at all."


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
是的,Wanderer
正如Ridzin Jigme Lingpa所说:体验就像雾气,瞬间即逝。但在闪电般的一刻,它会以完美的清晰和生动重现。仍然无损,也无所得。

是的,非常正确。一种真实的体验胜过千言万语,但它同时也是那使历代神秘者目眩神迷的真正真实体验。那炽亮辉煌的光明/光辉比我们能想象的更加生动。在一切之中,它无处不见,在一切之中,它都能被体验到。那种生动的光明/光辉也充当了遮蔽其自身空性本质的条件
最后,有一个问题,但却无人回答。
佛陀摘花,摩诃迦叶微笑。
Thusness敲击键盘,键盘发出声音。
,多么清晰。灵光微笑。微笑

原文:

"Thusness: Yes Wanderer,

As Ridzin Jigme Lingpa said “Experience is like a mist, it vanishes instantaneously.” But in lightning flash moment, it reappears with perfect lucidity and vividness. Still nothing lost and nothing attained.

Yes very true. A “True experience” is better than a thousand words but it is also the very “true experience” of the Brilliance Bright that has blinded Mystics of all ages. The Brilliance Bright is more vivid then we can imagine. In All IT is seen and In All IT is experienced. Being vividly bright it also serves as the “condition” that obscures its very own Emptiness nature.

Lastly, there is a question, but No-One is there to answer. Buddha picks a flower, Mahakashyapa smiles. Thusness hits the keyboard, keyboard-sounds. “Da Da Da”, how CLEAR. Luminosity smiles. Smile"


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
说得好,也引用得妙,sinweiy。微笑
现在,灵光可以在无条件下产生吗?是否存在一种明亮、真实、根本、宏伟的心,而无需任何条件?

原文:

"Thusness:

Well said and well quoted sinweiy. Smile

Now, can luminosity arise without conditions? Is there a time where there is a bright, true, essential, magnificent mind without conditions?"


简体中文翻译:

Thusness
[原文下接引用]

Originally posted by sinweiy
真正的/明亮的/灵光心就像一个能够发光的太阳源,所有的条件就像从太阳散发出来的阳光。太阳和阳光会自发地同时出现。
正如我们所说,空寂即是形式/存在;形式/存在即是空寂(用中文说起来更合适);没有形式就没有空寂,没有空寂就没有形式。
空寂可以与真正的心联系在一起,而形式/存在则可以与条件联系在一起。它们虽然是两个,但实际上并非两个。
换句话说,我也在《楞严经》中回忆起一个比喻:那光已经亮起,我们以为它没有亮,当我们寻求开悟时,我们去扳动开关,结果不知不觉间我们实际上把它关掉了。中性。

依我看,

/\

简体中文翻译:

Thusness
是的,sinweiy
佛陀出于无限的慈悲讲述了那明晰的灵光、无条件的显明、纯净。然而,那自始至终自发光明的觉知从未与其条件分离,也无法分离。它们不是两个——当这是,那就是。伴随着条件,灵光无中心地生起(呈现)且无处不在。
无处可寻。这就是如来性Tatagatha Nature)。微笑

原文:

"Originally posted by sinweiy:

True/bright/luminous mind is like a source sun with an ability of shining, and all conditions are like sunlight which are emitted from the sun. Sun and sunlight come spontaneously together. Just like we say Sunyata is form/existence; form/existence is sunyata (sound better in chinese), w/o form there's no sunyata, w/o sunyata there's no form. sunyata can be associated with True mind while form/existence can be associated with conditions. they are although two yet they are not two per se.

that say in an similie, i recalled also in Shurangama Sutra, that the Light is already switched on, we thought it's not On, when we seek enlightenment, and we go and turn the switch, unnoticely we are actually turning it Off instead. Neutral

imho,

/
Yes Sinweiy,

The Buddha out of infinite compassion spoke the lucid luminosity, the unconditioned Obviousness, the pure. But the self-luminous awareness from beginningless time has never been separated and cannot be separated from its conditions. They are not two -- This is, That is. Along with the conditions, Luminosity shines without a center and arises without a place. No where to be found. This is the Tatagatha Nature. Smile"

 

Below is the complete translation from English to Chinese, following the prescribed format. Each paragraph is translated fully into Chinese, immediately followed by the complete original English text.

Paragraph 1

 

Chinese Translation:

Longchen

请允许说几句话,如有错误请纠正”……

 

Original Text:

Longchen:

Please allow ‘me’ to say something and correct ‘me’ if I am wrong…

 

Paragraph 2

 

Chinese Translation:

我们认为自我是我们所有行为和决策的执行者。其实这是一种虚假的信念。认为那个掌控和做出决策的自我仅仅是个幻觉。无论是否存在自我意识,事情终究都会完成。/自我意识根本无力意志或控制任何事物,只是嵌入于思维之中,仅仅是一连串的思想而已。

 

Original Text:

We believe the ‘I’ or ‘me’ is the doer of all our actions and decision-making. This is really

a false belief. The idea that a ‘self’ that is controlling and making decision is an illusion.

Things gets accomplished nevertheless, with or without the ‘sense of self’.

The ‘I/sense of self’ cannot will or control anything at all. The ‘I’ is inserted into the

sequence of thoughts and is just a sequence of thoughts.

 

Footnotes/Annotations (if any):

– The phrase “sense of self” is rendered as “自我意识” for clarity.

Paragraph 3

 

Chinese Translation:

并非行事者,对大多数人来说,它只是被做的存在。

 

Original Text:

‘I’ is not the doer, for most, it is the ‘being done.’

 

Footnotes/Annotations (if any):

– The expression “being done” is rendered as “被做的存在 to indicate a passive state.

Paragraph 4

 

Chinese Translation:

Thusness

是的,隆琛,

但要产生深刻的洞见,必须有放下虚假信念的意愿。

不要先创造任何形式的信念,放下一切,从这种原始状态中去观察和体会。

不要说存在一个行者掌控者,也不要对你的思想和记忆做出反应,只需单纯地感受和观察这一过程。

也不要急于下结论,创造一个源头来填补中间的空隙以满足思维之心。

只需以最真诚的态度去征服这一切。允许被做的状态,并理解无行者而行(即无为)的含义。

不要将纯粹觉知被做割裂开来。

不要创造一个源头并将其与运动分开。

相反,保持静止,全面地去感受被做的状态。

这种体验就如同在无思考中去知晓,同时又能细致入微地体察每一个当下体验的每个细节,达到完全的清晰。

如果你说我就是它,那清晰就会消失。任何分割都阻碍了真正的见

为何还需要这个

觉知是一股明净光流,哪里都找不到中心。

如果我们继续试图将觉知限定为藏匿在某处的自我,那明净的光流就无法被体验,量子般的空性也将不为人知。

微笑

 

Original Text:

Thusness:

Yes Long Chen,

But for penetrating insight to arise there must be the willingness to let go of false beliefs.

Not to create any sort of beliefs first, give up everything and see and feel from this raw

state. Not to say there is a ‘doer’, a ‘controller’, not to react to your thoughts and

memories, just merely feel and see the process. Not to immediately jump into

conclusion and create a ‘Source’ to fill the in-between gaps to satisfy the thinking mind.

Just conquer it with utmost sincerity. Allow ‘being done’ and understand the meaning of

‘doing without a doer’ – non doing. Do not separate ‘pure-awareness’ from the ‘being

done’. Do not create a Source and separate it from the ‘Movement’. Instead be Still and

simply Feel the ‘being done’ with totality. The experience is like knowing without thought

and yet dwelling into even the minuteness details of every immediate experience with

complete clarity. If you say I am IT, the clarity is lost. Any separation prevents ‘True

Seeing’. Why is this ‘I’ necessary? Awareness is a stream of clear luminosity without a

center to be found anywhere. If we continue to try contain awareness as ‘Self’ hiding

somewhere, clear luminosity will not be experienced and the QUANTUM empty nature

will not be known. Smile

 

Footnotes/Annotations (if any):

– “non doing” is rendered as “无为emphasizing the idea of action without a doer.

Paragraph 5

 


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Article 1:

简体中文翻译:

第一段(标题和作者信息)

禅宗祖师菩提达摩论觉知与诸缘不可分离

Soh

原文:

Article 1:

Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma on the Inseparability of Awareness and Conditions

Soh

简体中文翻译:

第二段

以下的博客文章来自我在论坛里于2008109日所发布的一篇帖子,内容关于如何将觉知视为显现本身,而并非一面镜子去反映,并阐述了觉知与各种缘不可分离。这也与之前的一篇博客文章“Dependent Arising of Consciousness(识的缘起)相关,文中包含龙树菩萨的一段相关论述。

原文:

The following blog entry is from a post made in my forum on 9th October 2008. It is about seeing awareness as manifestation instead of a mirror reflecting, and seeing the inseparability of awareness and conditions. This is also related to a previous blog entry Dependent Arising of Consciousness which contains a related text by Arya Nagarjuna.

简体中文翻译:

第三段(分隔线)

原文:

简体中文翻译:

第四段

Passerby/Thusness 在我论坛上看到某些对禅宗祖师菩提达摩的译文不够完善,便亲自翻译了其中的一段,并在我的论坛上发表评论:

原文:

Passerby/Thusness saw some inadequateness in one of the Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma translations, and translated himself a certain passage and commented on my forum:

简体中文翻译:

第五段(原文中含有中文)

来自达摩《血脉论》的中文原文:

若智慧明了,此心号名法性,亦名解脱。生死不拘,一切法拘它不得,是名大自在王如来;亦名不思议,亦名圣体,亦名长生不死,亦名大仙。名虽不同,体即是一。圣人种种分别,皆不离自心。心量广大,应用无穷,应眼见色,应耳闻声,应鼻嗅香,应舌知味,乃至施为运动,皆是自心。

(我自己翻译了部分内容以补充空缺):

在般若智慧(prajna)之光的照耀下,心被称为法性,心被称为解脱。生死无法束缚此心,任何诸法(现象)都无法束缚它。它也被称为大自在王如来、不思议、圣体、长生不死、大仙。名称各异,体性唯一。圣者虽然各有不同,却无一例外不在自心之中。心之容量广大,其因缘而起的作用无穷无尽。借助眼之因缘,看见色相;借助耳之因缘,听见声音;借助鼻之因缘,嗅到香气;借助舌之因缘,尝到滋味;乃至一切行为或状态,皆是自心。

原文:

Original Chinese text from Bodhidharma’s Bloodstream Sermon (血脉论): 若智慧明了,此心号名法性,亦名解脱。生死不拘,一切法拘它不得,是名大自在王如来;亦名不思议,亦名圣体,亦名长生不死,亦名大仙。名虽不同,体即是一。圣人种种分别,皆不离自心。心量广大,应用无穷,应眼见色,应耳闻声,应鼻嗅香,应舌知味,乃至施为运动,皆是自心。

(I myself translated certain parts to fill in the gap): With the illumination of wisdom (prajna), mind is known as Dharma Nature, mind is known as Liberation. Neither life nor death can restrain this mind, no dharmas (phenomenon) can. It’s also called the King of Great Freedom Tathagata, the Incomprehensible, the Holy Essence, the Immortality, the Great Immortal. Its names vary but its essence is one. Sages vary, but none are separate from his own mind. The mind’s capacity is limitless, and its conditional functions are inexhaustible. With the condition of eyes, forms are seen, With the condition of ears, sounds are heard, With the condition of nose, smells are smelled, With the condition of tongue, tastes are tasted, every movement or states are all one’s Mind.

简体中文翻译:

第六段

Passerby/Thusness 的评论:

若智慧明了,此心号名法性,亦名解脱。

更好的翻译方式应该是:

在般若智慧明了之中,心被称为法性,心被称为解脱。

评论:必须要知道本身就是解脱。这就是为什么了解自心之本性才是解脱之道。如果解脱没有被体验到,那么清晰度还不够,对于心是什么并没有真正的理解。

解脱就是处在其自然本初状态的清净觉知(Pristine Awareness)。因此,了解这种清净觉知是通往解脱的直接途径。如果我们无法看见五蕴本身就是我们的佛性,那么我们就不会明白无常当中无须排斥任何事物。念头自行解脱,声音自行解脱,味道自行解脱。刹那生灭本自解脱。如果我们看不到这一点,那我们就走的是渐修之路。也不建议过多地谈及自然本自圆成或自行解脱,这可能会让人误解。

原文:

Comments by Passerby/Thusness:

若智慧明了,此心号名法性,亦名解脱。

A better way to translate this should be:

With the illumination of wisdom (prajna), mind is known as Dharma Nature, mind is known as Liberation.

Comments: It is important to know that mind is itself liberation. That is why knowing the nature of our mind is the way of liberation. If Liberation is not experienced, then the clarity is still not there. There is no true understanding of what mind is.

Liberation is this Pristine Awareness itself in its natural state. That is why understanding this Pristine Awareness is the direct path towards liberation. If we cannot see that the 5 aggregates are themselves our Buddha Nature, then we will not understand there is nothing to shunt from the transience. Thought liberates, sound liberates, tastes liberates. The transience liberates. If we do not see that, then we are taking a gradual path. It is also not advisable to speak too much about spontaneous arising or self liberation. It can be quite misleading.

简体中文翻译:

第七段

应眼见色,应耳闻声,应鼻嗅香,应舌知味,乃至施为运动,皆是自心。

更好的翻译方式应该是:

借助眼之因缘,看见色相;借助耳之因缘,听见声音;借助鼻之因缘,嗅到香气;借助舌之因缘,尝到滋味;乃至一切施为或动作,皆是自心。

Thusness/Passerby 的评论:

此处要注意两个要点。第一,佛性就是刹那生灭之相。第二,的含义在于:当具足眼之因缘时,色相现起;具足耳之因缘时,声音现起。

觉知并非像镜子那样映照,而是显现本身。光明性是一种生起的明晰显现,而非镜子的反射。这里将中心转变为缘起,然而体验本身是无二的。

我们必须学习如何见到显现即觉知,而其他一切只是缘或条件。比如说,声音就是觉知;人、木棍、钟、敲击、空气、耳朵……都是缘。我们应当学会这样去观。所有的问题都来自我们无法以这样的方式体验觉知。

从世俗的角度,我们似乎体验到主客体在时空中交互。但这只是一种设定。从经验的角度,并非如此。我们应学会体验觉知即是显现本身。不存在一个能知的主体,只有也始终只有显现,一切其余都是生起之缘。所有这些只是暂时的说法,为了帮助理解。

原文:

应眼见色,应耳闻声,应鼻嗅香,应舌知味,乃至施为运动,皆是自心。

A better way to translate should be:

With the condition of the eye, forms are seen, With the condition of ears, sounds are heard, With the condition of nose, smells are smelled, With the condition of tongue, tastes are tasted, every movement or states are all one’s Mind.

Thusness/Passerby’s comments:

Here there are 2 important points to take note. First is that Buddha Nature is the transience. Second it is more of ‘’. Means with the condition of the eye, forms arise. With ears, sound arises.

Awareness is not like a mirror reflecting but rather a manifestation. Luminosity is an arising luminous manifestation rather than a mirror reflecting. The center here is being replaced with Dependent Origination, the experience however is non-dual.

One must learn how to see Appearances as Awareness and all others as conditions. Example, sound is awareness. The person, the stick, the bell, hitting, air, ears…are conditions. One should learn to see in this way. All problems arise because we cannot experience Awareness this way.

Conventionally we experience in the form of subject and object interaction taking place in a space-time continuum. This is just an assumption. Experientially it is not so. One should learn to experience awareness as the manifestation. There is no subject, there is only and always manifestation, all else are conditions of arising. All these are just provisional explanations for one to understand.

简体中文翻译:

第八段

进一步评论:

所见即是觉知,所闻即是觉知,一切体验本质上都是无二的。但是这种无二的光明性,不能脱离导致它生起的因缘。因此,不要将视为觉知与外部条件的交互。如果这样理解,就仍然属于镜子映照范畴。更应将它视为即时的显现,毫无遗漏。好似整个宇宙竭尽全力成就了当下这一刻的生起,这一刻完整而无二,鲜明地显现又彻底消逝,不留痕迹。

原文:

Further comments:

What’s seen is Awareness. What’s heard is Awareness. All experiences are non-dual in nature. However this non-dual luminosity cannot be understood apart from the ‘causes and conditions’ of arising. Therefore do not see ‘yin’ as Awareness interacting with external conditions. If you see it as so, then it still falls in the category of mirror-reflecting. Rather see it as an instantaneous manifestation where nothing is excluded. As if the universe is giving its very best for this moment to arise. A moment is complete and non-dual. Vividly manifest and thoroughly gone leaving no traces.

简体中文翻译:

第九段

其他评论:

万法由空而生,又复还归于空之类的说法同样具有误导性,这会让我们把视为某种形而上的实存。同样,对于因缘也不应将其实体化为某种形而上的本体。所有这些仅仅是方便说法,旨在指出我们本来无实质、无自性的相互缘起本质。

原文:

Other comments:

Phrase like “everything arises from Emptiness and subsides back to Emptiness” is equally misleading. By doing so, we have made ‘Emptiness’ into a metaphysical essence; similarly not to make the same mistake for “causes and conditions”, not to objectify it into a metaphysical essence. All are provisional terms to point to our insubstantial, essence-less and interdependent nature.

简体中文翻译:

第十段(标签)

标签:无我(Anatta)、缘起(Dependent Origination)、禅(Zen)、禅宗祖师菩提达摩(Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma |

原文:

Labels: Anatta, Dependent Origination, Zen, Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma |

Article 1 完整内容到此。下面为 Article 2。)

Article 2:

简体中文翻译:

第一段(标题、作者、以及译文列表)

没有名词也能发动动词

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翻译:(越南语)Không cần danh từ để bắt đầu động từ - No nouns are necessary to initiate verbs

(法语)Les noms ne sont pas nécessaires pour initier les verbes - No nouns are necessary to initiate verbs

原文:

Article 2:

No nouns are necessary to initiate verbs

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Translations: (Vietnamese) Không cần danh từ để bắt đầu động từ - No nouns are necessary to initiate verbs

 (French) Les noms ne sont pas nécessaires pour initier les verbes - No nouns are necessary to initiate verbs

简体中文翻译:

第二段(更新说明)

更新:在这段对话一年之后,Fishskull3 突破了一心(One Mind)并证入了无我(Anatta)!详见《No single unified awareness, just the luminosity of appearances

Xabir = Soh

原文:

Update: A year after this conversation, Fishskull3 broke through One Mind into Anatta! See No single unified awareness, just the luminosity of appearances

Xabir = Soh

简体中文翻译:

第三段(论坛对话片段前的说明与引用)

level 1

Fishskull3

· 9 hr. ago

一切并非由觉知所构成,而实际上它本身就是觉知。在你直接的体验中,并没有某个里面在向外面观看。你现在认为是所见的东西,实际上就是见者或觉知(awareness)的持续活动。

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xabir

· just now

我喜欢你的回答。我还想补充一点,觉知并非一个不变的实体融入万物。觉知其实就像天气这个词,不过是一个代号,用来指称下雨、变湿、日照、刮风、雷电等持续不断的动态活动。觉知并没有它自身的内在实存,只是片刻片刻的显现;即便此刻仅仅是纯粹无形的存在,这也是另一个前景般的无二显现,而不是一个不变的背景。

就像除了闪光之外没有所谓的闪电(闪电就是闪光——闪电不过是闪光的另一个称谓,并不是闪光背后的施为者/主体(agent)),除了吹动也没有所谓的风,除了流动也没有所谓的水,要发动动词并不需要名词或施为者/主体。根本就不存在任何施为者/主体、见者,甚至没有所谓这一名词,只剩下颜色;也不存在什么施为者/主体、听者,甚至没有所谓,只有声音。一切都只是清晰而透明地显现,没有一个认识者,声音在听,景象在看。这就是无我(Anatta)。

原文: https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2022/07/no-nouns-are-necessary-to-initiate-verbs.html

level 1

Fishskull3

· 9 hr. ago

Everything isn’t made of awareness, it quite literally is awareness itself. In your direct experience there isn’t anything inside looking out at something. the very thing that you presently think is the “seen” is the ongoing activity of the “seer” or awareness.

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xabir

· just now

I like your answer. Also, I would like to add, awareness is none other than the ongoing activity. It is not the case that awareness is an unchanging substance modulating as everything. ‘Awareness’ is just like a word like ‘weather’, a mere name denoting the ongoing dynamic activities of raining wetting sun shining wind blowing lightning strike and so on and on. ‘Awareness’ has no intrinsic existence of its own than moment to moment manifestation, even if at that moment it is just a mere sense of formless Existence, that too is another ‘foreground’ non-dual manifestation and not an unchanging background.

Just like there is no lightning besides flash (lightning is flashing – lightning is just another name for flash and is not the agent behind flash), no wind besides blowing, no water besides flowing, no nouns or agents are needed to initiate verbs. There never was an agent, a seer, or even a seeing, besides colors, never an agent, a hearer, or even a hearing, besides sound. Everything is just radiant and pellucid without a knower, sound hears and scenery sees. Anatta.

简体中文翻译:

第四段

一些来自当代仅次于达赖喇嘛、名气位居第二的佛教大师——禅师一行禅师(Thich Nhat Hanh)的话节选:

摘自:http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2008/10/sun-of-awareness-and-river-of.html

以及其他 Thusness/PasserBy 喜欢的摘录——

我们说我知道风在吹,并不认为有什么东西在吹动某些别的东西。是搭配在一起的,如果没有吹动,就没有所谓风。对于知道也是一样。心即所知者,所知者即心。这里我们是就风而言——‘知道与风是不可分的。风和知道合而为一。我们可以直接说就够了,因为风的呈现就意味着知道的存在,也意味着有的动作。

“……最普遍的动词是存在:我在,你在,山在,河在。这个动词并不表达宇宙的动态生命状态。要表达这一点,我们应该用成为(become)’。这两个动词也可以用作名词:‘being’‘becoming’,但究竟成为什么?成为谁?成为表示不断地演变,就像存在一样普遍。我们无法将现象的存在与其演变分开,好像两者是独立的。就拿风来说,就是风的存在,也是风的演变……”“在任何现象中,无论是心理的、生理的或物理的,都有一种动态的运动和生命。我们可以说这种运动、这种生命,就是无所不在的显现,也是最普遍被认识到的知觉(know)作用。千万别把知道(知觉)’当成一个外在的东西,好像它赋予宇宙以生命。它就是宇宙本身的生命。舞蹈与舞者是一体的。

原文:

Some excerpts from the 2nd most famous Buddhist masters (right after the Dalai Lama) of our time, the Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh :

Excerpts from http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2008/10/sun-of-awareness-and-river-of.html

some other quotations which Thusness/PasserBy liked from the book –“When we say I know the wind is blowing, we don’t think that there is something blowing something else. “Wind’ goes with ‘blowing’. If there is no blowing, there is no wind. It is the same with knowing. Mind is the knower; the knower is mind. We are talking about knowing in relation to the wind. ‘To know’ is to know something. Knowing is inseparable from the wind. Wind and knowing are one. We can say, ‘Wind,’ and that is enough. The presence of wind indicates the presence of knowing, and the presence of the action of blowing’.”

“..The most universal verb is the verb ‘to be’’: I am, you are, the mountain is, a river is. The verb ‘to be’ does not express the dynamic living state of the universe. To express that we must say ‘become.’ These two verbs can also be used as nouns: ’being”, “becoming”. But being what? Becoming what? ‘Becoming’ means ‘evolving ceaselessly’, and is as universal as the verb “to be.” It is not possible to express the “being” of a phenomenon and its “becoming” as if the two were independent. In the case of wind, blowing is the being and the becoming….”“In any phenomena, whether psychological, physiological, or physical, there is dynamic movement, life. We can say that this movement, this life, is the universal manifestation, the most commonly recognized action of knowing. We must not regard ‘knowing’ as something from the outside which comes to breathe life into the universe. It is the life of the universe itself. The dance and the dancer are one.”

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第五段(Thusness/PasserBy 的评论)

“……作为动词、作为行动时,就不会有概念,只有体验。无二无我的体验,就是主客体如动词、如行动般的体现。并没有一个,只有心的活动……

……‘源头(Source)’就是那些流动的现象,从缘起的角度来理解无二的显现。

原文:

Comments by Thusness/PasserBy: “…as a verb, as action, there can be no concept, only experience. Non-dual anatta (no-self) is the experience of subject/Object as verb, as action. There is no mind, only mental activities… …Source as the passing phenomena… and how non-dual appearance is understood from Dependent Origination perspective.”

简体中文翻译:

第六段

禅师一行禅师说:当我们说正在下雨,我们指的是下雨正在发生。你不需要某个在上方的人来使雨落下。并不是有雨,以及某个使雨落下的主体。事实上,当你说雨在下时,就已经很有趣了,因为如果它不下,就不叫雨了。我们的说话方式习惯于主语加动词,因此当我们说它在下雨时,需要这个来作为主语,好像在说是谁让雨可以落下。但当我们深入观察,就会发现不需要一个下雨者,只需要雨本身。下雨和雨是一体的。鸟群形成与鸟群本身是一体的——这里没有自我,没有谁在操控。

我们把一种心所(mental formation)称作 vitarka,也就是初念

用英文动词‘to think(思考)时,我们习惯使用人称作主语:我思考你思考他思考。可实际上,要形成一个念头并不需要一个思维者(主语)。思维无需思维者——这绝对是可能的。思维就是思维某个事物。感知就是感知某个事物。感知者与被感知对象是一体的。

当笛卡尔说我思故我在时,他的意图是:如果我在思考,必然存在一个才能使思考成为可能。当他说我思考时,他相信自己可以由此证明是存在的。我们深受执著于自我的习气,但当我们深入观察时,就会发现一个念头并不需要一个思维者才能存在。并没有一个隐藏在背后的思维者,只有思维就已足够。

如果此刻笛卡尔先生在这里,我们或许会问他:笛卡尔先生,您说我思故我在,但您究竟是什么?您就是您的思维本身。思维——这就够了。思维显现出来,无需一个自我在背后操控。

无思维者之思维、无感受者之感受。没有自我,我们的愤怒又是什么?这是我们禅修的所缘境。所有五十一种心所都在没有一个幕后自我的情况下生起和显现,不是某个自我先安排好这个出现、再让那个出现。我们的意识习惯依赖于我执manas)的观念。

但我们可以修行去更深入地了知第八识(store consciousness,阿赖耶识),其中含藏了所有尚未在我们显意识中显现的心所种子。我们通过禅修去观照,以在我们的观念中带来光明与澄澈。当无我知见出现时,我们的错觉就消除了。我们称这为转化。在佛教传统中,透过深刻的了解,一切皆可转化。当无我的洞见现前,那个我在(manastic)’的虚幻概念便崩解,我们便能够当下享受自由与安乐。’”

原文:

“…Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh:

‘When we say it’s raining, we mean that raining is taking place. You don’t need someone up above to perform the raining. It’s not that there is the rain, and there is the one who causes the rain to fall. In fact, when you say the rain is falling, it’s very funny, because if it weren’t falling, it wouldn’t be rain. In our way of speaking, we’re used to having a subject and a verb. That’s why we need the word “it” when we say, “it rains.” “It” is the subject, the one who makes the rain possible. But, looking deeply, we don’t need a “rainer,” we just need the rain. Raining and the rain are the same. The formations of birds and the birds are the same – there’s no “self,” no boss involved. There’s a mental formation called vitarka, “initial thought.”

When we use the verb “to think” in English, we need a subject of the verb: I think, you think, he thinks. But, really, you don’t need a subject for a thought to be produced. Thinking without a thinker – it’s absolutely possible. To think is to think about something. To perceive is to perceive something. The perceiver and the perceived object that is perceived are one.

When Descartes said, “I think, therefore I am,” his point was that if I think, there must be an “I” for thinking to be possible. When he made the declaration “I think,” he believed that he could demonstrate that the “I” exists. We have the strong habit or believing in a self. But, observing very deeply, we can see that a thought does not need a thinker to be possible. There is no thinker behind the thinking – there is just the thinking; that’s enough. Now, if Mr. Descartes were here, we might ask him, “Monsieur Descartes, you say, ‘You think, therefore you are.’ But what are you? You are your thinking. Thinking – that’s enough. Thinking manifests without the need of a self behind it.”

Thinking without a thinker. Feeling without a feeler. What is our anger without our ‘self’? This is the object of our meditation. All the fifty-one mental formations take place and manifest without a self behind them arranging for this to appear, and then for that to appear. Our mind consciousness is in the habit of basing itself on the idea of self, on manas.

But we can meditate to be more aware of our store consciousness, where we keep the seeds of all those mental formations that are not currently manifesting in our mind. When we meditate, we practice looking deeply in order to bring light and clarity into our way of seeing things. When the vision of no-self is obtained, our delusion is removed. This is what we call transformation. In the Buddhist tradition, transformation is possible with deep understanding. The moment the vision of no-self is there, manas, the elusive notion of ‘I am,’ disintegrates, and we find ourselves enjoying, in this very moment, freedom and happiness.’”

(至此已完整翻译了“Article 1”“Article 2”所有段落。)

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简短解释(关键概念、上下文、译法选择)

1. 在翻译“awareness”时,主要使用了觉知或在上下文中使用清净觉知(Pristine Awareness等,以强调其本来明觉、无二的特性。

2. 在提及“view”时,根据要求统一译为知见,体现佛教中对于见地的含义。

3. 引文中部分术语已按您要求使用固定译法,如无我(Anatta缘起(Dependent Origination等,并保留了原文括号中英文以供对照。

4. 由于原文中部分英文段落含有重复或相近表达,皆按指示完整呈现并直译,确保不漏不改。

5. 所有原文段落依次呈现,绝无删减、合并或跳译。

如有任何需要进一步澄清之处,请告知。以上即为严格遵循所给指示的完整中英双语翻译。

 

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简体中文翻译:

“Toni Packer 关于 Maha

 

原文:

“Toni Packer on Maha

简体中文翻译:

Soh

 

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Soh

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有人问我,Toni Packer 是否描述了 Maha.

 

原文:

Someone asked me if Toni Packer described Maha.

简体中文翻译:

我说,

 

原文:

I said,

简体中文翻译:

这就是 maha

 

原文:

“This is maha

简体中文翻译:

Toni Packer,《临在的奇迹》:

 

原文:

Toni Packer, The Wonder of Presence:

简体中文翻译:

当我谈论倾听时,我并不仅仅指用耳朵聆听。这里的倾听包含了感知的整体——所有感官都处于开放且活跃的状态,且远不止于此。眼睛、耳朵、鼻子、舌头、身体和心灵都是感受的、开放的,而非受控的。一句禅语将其描述为用眼睛聆听,用耳朵观看。它指的是这种感知的完整性,即存在的完整!

另一句禅语要求:在钟声响起之前倾听钟声!啊,从理性上来说这毫无意义,不是吗?但总有那么一刻,当钟声在你意识到之前便已响起!你可能永远都不会察觉到!你整个存在都在共鸣!在那之中没有任何分割——一切都在共鸣。

 

原文:

“When I talk about listening, I don’t mean just listening with the ear. Listening here includes the totality of perception—all senses open and alive, and still much more than that. The eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body and mind are receptive, open, not controlled. A Zen saying describes it as “hearing with one’s eyes and seeing with one’s ears.” It refers to this wholeness of perception. The wholeness of being!

Another Zen saying demands: “Hear the bell before it rings!” Ah, it doesn’t make any sense rationally, does it? But there is a moment when that bell is ringing before you know it! You may never know it! Your entire being is ringing! There’s no division in that—everything is ringing.”

简体中文翻译:

摘自《寻找全新的倾听之道》

 

原文:

Excerpt from Finding a New Way to Listen

简体中文翻译:

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寻找全新的倾听之道

 

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Finding a New Way to Listen

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Toni Packer

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在探讨全新的倾听方式之前,请允许我分享在这片非凡土地上穿行于田野与树林中的喜悦。仅仅走出接待区,关上身后的门,走出那遮挡阳光与雨水的屋檐,所有的围护都已消失——连身体都不例外!我所是的,只不过是鸟儿的歌唱与振翅、赤裸枝条在微风中摇曳、部分冻结又在融化的地面、覆盖着薄冰的池塘,以及近在咫尺的蓝色山丘、天空和漂浮的云朵。还有那跳动的心脏与在路上行走的人们。甚至那些不在此处的——难道我们这一刻不都是共同存在的吗——在静谧中观照一切?

 

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Before inquiring into a new way of listening, let me just share the joy of walking through the fields and woods on this extraordinary land. Just stepping out of the reception area, closing the door behind me, walking away from the overhang that shields one from the sun and rain, there isn’t any enclosure left—not even a body! All I am is the birds singing and fluttering, bare branches swaying in the breeze, the ground partly frozen yet melting, the pond covered with a thin layer of ice, and the blue hills, sky and wandering clouds within close reach. There is also a throbbing heart and the people walking on the path. Even those who are not here—aren’t we all together this one moment—beholding everything out of stillness?

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那是一种不被所认同的静谧——不再受过去无尽故事和各种曾经塑造我形象的影像所束缚。对的认同是一座活生生的囚笼。在这分隔的生命中,我们不断渴望被接纳、感到重要、被倾听、被鼓励、被支持和得到安慰。

 

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It is the stillness of not being identified with me—the endless stories of the past and the various images that have represented me to myself and others. Identification with me is a living prison. In it we constantly want to be accepted, feel important, be listened to, be encouraged, supported and comforted in this separate life of ours.

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但现在,此刻,在这敞开的天空下的新鲜空气中,存在着一种无需任何需求、无需成为什么的自由——仅仅是作为一个开放的倾听空间,在这里人们行走,乌鸦呱呱叫,冰面在脚下裂开。

 

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But now, here, in the fresh air under the open sky there is the freedom of not needing anything, not needing to beanything—just being this open listening space where people walk, crows caw and ice cracks underfoot.

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为何我觉得倾听在独自生活或共同生活中如此极其重要?正因为静默、热情、此刻、无期望或努力的倾听,是通往整体生活、没有你我分离的门户。

 

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Why do I feel that listening is so immensely important in living alone or together? It is because listening quietly, passionately, now, without expectation or effort, is the gateway to living in wholeness, without the separation of you and me.

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这便是我们的主要问题:在那寂静与静谧的时刻,我们能否以深沉的方式倾听?还是心灵正忙于这世界、我们的生活、我们家庭中万千烦恼?我们能否立即意识到,一个只顾自身烦恼的心灵无法自由倾听?这不是评价,而是事实。当我沉浸于自我担忧时,根本无法听到他人的声音。鸟鸣和微风的歌唱便不会存在于心中充满自我的时刻。所以,心灵能否暂时放下问题,焕然一新地倾听?此刻!我们是否在共同倾听?乌鸦的呱呱叫声、飞机的低鸣、狗的吠叫,或是任何此刻在你倾听之处响起的声音。

 

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This is our main question: Can we listen in a deep way in a moment of silence and stillness? Or is the mind preoccupied with the 10,000 worries of this world, of our life, of our family? Can we realize right now that a mind that is occupied with itself cannot listen freely? This is not said in judgment—it is a fact. It’s impossible for me to hear someone else while I’m worrying about myself. Birdcalls and the songs of the breeze do not exist when the mind is full of itself. This is within the experience of all of us. So, can the mind put its problems aside for one moment and listen freshly? This moment! Are we listening together? The caw of the crows, the quiet hum of a plane, a dog’s barking, or whatever sounds are alive where you are listening right now.

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在大自然中快乐地倾听相对容易——树叶、草丛、花朵、树木、湖泊和山丘不像我们那样思考和忧虑,因此不会引发思考。也许对于鹿和鸟来说,确实存在一些初级的思维,但那并不会使我们陷入思考(除非我们是狂热的观鸟者,或担心下个季节过多的鹿和猎人的命运)。思维可以将一切变成问题,但我们大多数人发现在大自然中无我倾听之美,比在人群中更易获得。

 

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It is relatively easy to listen happily in nature—the leaves, grasses, flowers, trees, lakes and hills do not think and worry like we do, and therefore do not provoke thinking. Maybe for deer and birds there is some rudimentary thinking going on but that need not engage us in thought (unless we are avid birdwatchers or we worry about the plight of too many deer and too many hunters next season). Thought can make a problem out of everything, but most of us find the beauty of unselfconscious listening much easier to come upon in nature than among people.

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为什么彼此倾听如此异常困难?当我以充沛的倾听能量全然在场时,我并不觉得听懂你所说的话有多困难。空间不再被自我关切占据,而是向倾听、观看和理解你言语的意义敞开。若我未能理解,便有自由向你求得澄清。

 

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Why is it so inordinately difficult to listen to each other? When I am present with the abundant energy of listening, I do not find it difficult to hear what you are saying. Instead of being busy with self-concern, the space is open to hearing, seeing, and understanding the meaning of your words. If I don’t understand, then there is the freedom to ask you for clarification.

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如果没有这种开放的临在能量空间,内在的人类习性牢牢按捺着要被听见,它们便不愿为倾听他人让路。当我急于表达自己时,我怎能听到你呢?当我认为自己是对的,而你是错的时,我怎能抽出时间与心思去理解你?当我确信自己更明智时?当我迫切需要关注,并对他人得到关注心怀怨恨时?

 

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Without this open space of presence—energy, the inner tapes of human conditioning press hard to be heard—they do not want to make way for listening to others. How can I possibly hear you when I am dying to say something myself? How can I take the time and care to understand you when I think that I am right and you are wrong? When I’m sure that I know better? When I sorely need attention and resent anyone else getting it?

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当我对你过去的表现、你如何批评或奉承我抱有固定印象时,我能听见你吗?当我希望你能不同于你本来的样子时,我能自由地倾听吗?当我认为自己已经知道你将要说什么时,我是否有耐心倾听你?当我在评判你时,我还能敞开心扉倾听吗?评判和偏见深藏在心灵的隐秘角落,只有通过好奇与内在透明才能被发现。唯有被发现的,才能终结。

 

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Can I hear you when I have fixed images about how you have been in the past, how you have criticized or flattered me? Can I listen freely when I would like you to be different from the way you are? Do I have the patience to listen to you when I think I already know what you are going to say? Am I open to listening to you when I am judging you? Judgments and prejudices lie deeply hidden in the recesses of the mind and require curiosity and inner transparency in order to be discovered. Only what is discovered can end.

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我们可以不断在这个列表中添加更多问题,但重要的是开始从根本上质疑我们的倾听。关键不在于问我如何才能达到纯净的倾听?而在于问在面对所有这些问题时,我此刻的倾听源自何处?它是被各种观念和态度所阻碍,还是源于真正当下的临在?

 

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We can add more and more to this list, but the important thing is to start fundamentally questioning our listening. The point is not to ask, “How can I achieve pure listening?” but rather, “Where is my listening coming from this moment, in light of all these questions?” Is it hampered by different ideas and attitudes or does it arise from a moment of being truly present?

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我们许多人真诚地渴望成为更好的倾听者,并可能认为这只有在未来某个时候摆脱之后才会发生。这是一个错误的假设。即使的电路深深植根于大脑和身体中,对真正理解你的真挚渴望和兴趣也会使能量聚集起来,专注地倾听你所说的话。这种专注的倾听可能会清空对自我关注的杂念。通过倾听你的话语,并真心希望理解你所要传达的意思,我进入了你的内心——你的问题、你的状态、整个你。

 

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Many of us sincerely desire to become better listeners and may think that it will only happen once we are free of the me sometime in the future. This is an erroneous assumption. Even though the me circuit is deeply ingrained within brain and body, a genuine desire and interest to understand you allows energy to gather in listening attentively to what you are saying. This attentive listening may empty out the preoccupation with myself. Through listening to your words and truly wishing to understand what you mean to convey, I enter you—your question, your condition, the whole you.

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当我对你所说的毫无兴趣时,我能暂停下来倾听内在吗?我能瞥一眼内心正在发生什么吗?是抗拒吗?是厌倦吗?还是那些并未真正被听见的流逝话语?当有清晰的见证时,那本身就是一种转变。

 

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When I’m not really interested in what you are saying, can I pause and listen within? Can I take a glance at what is going on inside? Is it resistance? Boredom? The passing by of words that are not really heard? When there is clear seeing, that in itself is a shift.

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倾听自我净化。并不一定意味着对你所说的产生全新的兴趣。我可能倾向于进行深入对话,而你却希望叙述你的故事或引起我的注意。当倾听源自整体时,便会产生恰当的回应。这就是倾听的智慧。

 

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Listening purifies itself. It’s not that there is necessarily a new interest in what you are saying. I may prefer to dialogue deeply while you want to relate your story or get my attention. When listening comes out of wholeness, an appropriate response happens. That is the wisdom of listening.

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有时,当我在会议中讲话时,一群乌鸦飞过——呱,呱,呱,呱,呱——我稍微举起手问道:你听到了吗?那人可能会摇头——倾听的空间已被其他事物充满。我们此刻在这里吗?

 

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Sometimes, when I’m talking in a meeting and a flock of crows flies by—caw, caw, caw, caw, caw—I raise my hand a bit and ask: “Do you hear that?” The person may shake her head—the listening space was filled up with other things. Are we here right now?

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当你听到那个问题时,会发生什么?仅仅是呱,呱,呱,还是你在思考,我做得对吗?或者她想让我说什么?像听树间风声般聆听那些念头。那是同一种倾听。它们是不同的事物——风、树、鸟的声音与念头的声音各不相同——但那都是同一种倾听。一种完整的倾听!

 

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When you hear that question, what happens? Is it simply caw, caw, caw, or are you thinking, “Am I doing it right?” or, “What does she want me to say?” Hear those thoughts like you hear the wind in the trees. It’s the same listening. It’s different things—the sound of wind and trees and birds is different from the sound of thoughts—but it’s the same listening. One whole listening!

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出于某种奇妙而未知的原因,我们偶尔会完全在场。有那么一刻,我们听见、看见、感受一切融为一体。随后心灵介入,对其进行解释、认知、比较并储存。这并非有意为之——而是习惯使然。没有人刻意为之。命名、喜好、厌恶、企图保留某物以及对失去它的恐惧——这些都是根深蒂固的心灵过程,自然而然地运作着。如果我们能窥见这一点,感受到那纯粹的习惯性,那么我们对所谓他人以及对自己都会更加宽容与耐心。

 

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For marvelous unknown reasons, once in a while we are completely here. For a moment we hear, see and feel all one. Then the mind comes in to explain it, know it, compare it and store it. This is not an intentional process—it’s habit. No one is doing it. The naming, liking and disliking, wanting to keep something and fearing the loss of it—these are all ingrained mind processes rolling off on their own. If we get a glimpse of that, get a feel for what is purely habitual, then we will be much more tolerant and patient with the so-called others and with ourselves.

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当我谈论倾听时,我并不仅仅指用耳朵聆听。这里的倾听包含了感知的整体——所有感官都处于开放与活跃状态,远不止于此。眼睛、耳朵、鼻子、舌头、身体和心灵都是感受的、开放的,而非受控的。一句禅语将其描述为用眼睛聆听,用耳朵观看。它指的是这种感知的完整性,即存在的完整!

另一句禅语要求:在钟声响起之前倾听钟声!啊,从理性上来说这毫无意义,不是吗?但总有那么一刻,当钟声在你意识到之前便已响起!你可能永远都不会察觉到!你整个存在都在共鸣!在那之中没有任何分割——一切都在共鸣。

 

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When I talk about listening, I don’t mean just listening with the ear. Listening here includes the totality of perception—all senses open and alive, and still much more than that. The eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body and mind are receptive, open, not controlled. A Zen saying describes it as “hearing with one’s eyes and seeing with one’s ears.” It refers to this wholeness of perception. The wholeness of being!

Another Zen saying demands: “Hear the bell before it rings!” Ah, it doesn’t make any sense rationally, does it? But there is a moment when that bell is ringing before you know it! You may never know it! Your entire being is ringing! There’s no division in that—everything is ringing.

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那么,我们是否可以通过满怀惊奇地询问是什么阻止了我们在钟声响起前倾听,而不断地了解自己,而不是通过学习来增加我们的知识储备呢?

 

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So can we learn more and more about ourselves, not by studying in order to increase our store of information, but through asking in wonderment what keeps us from hearing the bell before it rings?

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Enlightenment

 

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Enlightenment

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作者 Toni Packer,《临在的奇迹》

 

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by Toni Packer, “The Wonder of Presence”

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有人问:我们觉醒与否真的重要吗?

 

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Someone asked, “Does it really matter if we ‘wake up’ or not?”

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不久前,我去山上散步。多么美好的一天啊!温暖与凉爽同时存在,空气中弥漫着温柔,鸟儿处处在歌唱。湿漉漉、浸透泥泞的鞋子走过呱呱作响的池塘,那里小小的水上飞鱼在水面上来回穿梭,留下极其细微的痕迹。

 

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A little while ago I took a walk up the hill. What a delightful morning! Warmth and coolness were present at the same time. Gentleness pervaded the air, and birds were singing everywhere. Wet, sodden shoes passed by the croaking pond where tiny little skimmers crisscrossed back and forth on the surface of the water, leaving their ever so delicate tracks.

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在那宽阔的上层原野上,几只鹿正在吃草。它们抬头望向这个闯入者,长长的白尾微微颤动,仿佛在互相注视。随后,它们又继续低头啃食。阳光普照的原野上点缀着各种色彩,盛开的草丛在微风中摇曳,野蔷薇的香气充盈了空气。

 

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On the big upper field several deer were grazing. Looking up at the intruder, their long white tails twitched a little as we looked at each other. Then they kept on grazing. Colors dotted the sun-drenched field, and blooming grasses were swaying in the breeze. The fragrance of wild roses filled the air.

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如果你与我一道走过这个美好的早晨,我们会一起因觉醒是否重要这个问题而发笑。

 

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If you had walked along with me this beautiful morning, we both would have laughed at the question whether it matters if we wake up or not.

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若我们沉浸于愤怒、担忧或挫败之中,就不会发笑。我们也无法看到这片生机勃勃的美丽原野。

 

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Had we been caught up in anger, worry, or frustration, we wouldn’t have laughed. We would not have seen the lovely vibrant field.

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我们心中充满诸多疑问。它们从何而来?我们的疑问是否另有深层动机?我们能否带着好奇去探问、去观察?有人问:究竟存在终极、完整和绝对的觉悟吗?我们是否真的在问:如果存在这样的觉悟,我能获得它吗?

 

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We have so many questions. Whence do they arise? Are there deeper motives to our question? Can we wonder about it and look? Someone asked, “Is there such a thing as ultimate, complete and total enlightenment?” Are we really asking, “If there is such a thing, can I get it?”

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对那完整和绝对觉悟的追问从何而来?渴望它又源自何处?以及因得不到它而生的挫败感?这一切难道都源自我们内心深处对自己、对他人以及对世界的不满吗?有时我们甚至无法说出引发这些感受的原因;我们只是感到痛苦地失去了和谐。内在有一种空虚感,不是广阔空间的空旷,而是一种内心毫无价值的感觉,感到孤独、远离幸福,与人隔绝。或许还有被遗弃的恐惧,或觉得不被爱。所有这些都在我们人身上不断发生。

 

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Where does wondering about complete and total enlightenment come from? And from where does wanting it arise? And the frustration about not getting it? Doesn’t it all come out of our deep inner discontent with ourselves, with others, and with the world? Sometimes we can’t even say what it is that causes it; we just feel painfully out of sync. There is an inner meaninglessness, a feeling of hollow emptiness. Not the emptiness of vast open space, but a feeling of nothing of value inside, feeling lonely, cut off from happiness and alienated from people. There may be the fear of abandonment, or feeling unloved. All of these things are going on in human beings.

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出于填补内心空虚和寻找持久满足的欲望,我们会生出有关觉悟的问题,并伴随着渴望找到意义、摆脱孤立的强烈期盼。大脑创造出无穷的概念和幻想以缓解内心的痛苦。

 

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Out of the desires to fill up the inner depletion and find lasting contentment may come questions about enlightenment, and with them the yearning to find meaning and not feel isolated from everything and everyone. The brain creates endless concepts and fantasies to alleviate the inner suffering.

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如果我们对这些思想和情感的运动变得越来越透明,我们就会意识到,内心的痛苦既不能通过常规的物质方法,也不能通过传统的灵性途径来消解。金钱、地位、拥有或人际关系都未能带来持久的满足。宗教信仰也许能提供安全感与支持的幻觉,但对许多人来说,它们根本无效。我们曾在一个又一个信仰体系中徘徊,被拯救、解放或觉悟的承诺所吸引,但对真理与清晰的真正渴求,只有靠真正的食粮才能平息。

 

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If we become increasingly transparent to these movements of thought and feeling, we will realize that inner pain is not dissolved by conventional ways of dealing with it, materially or spiritually. Money, position, acquisitions, or relationships have not brought lasting contentment. Religious beliefs may provide illusions of security and support, but for many of us they simply have not worked. We have wandered from one belief system to another, attracted by promises of salvation, liberation, or enlightenment, but real hunger for truth and clarity can be stilled only with genuine food.

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那善于议论的心灵能够随时抛出疑问和怀疑的问题。也许我们会突然发现自己处于一种宁静开放、深邃静默中,没有任何缺失感。接着,思绪涌现,开始探问:这会持续吗?我能把它找回来吗?它真实存在吗?这就是觉悟吗,还是还不够?一想到过去那自由的时刻,疑虑的种子便立刻萌生,质问道:这就是全部吗?不可能!一定会有比我刚刚经历的更令人信服的体验!念头就像紧缠不放的藤蔓,扼杀了当下的生动临在。真正地在场,就是那未知、不可知、未加修饰的状态。真正的在场是不含任何关于自我的怀疑或肯定。那就是无我!关于的念头不过是念头,它们具有遮蔽清晰的巨大力量。

 

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The discursive mind is capable of throwing up doubts and sceptical questions at any time. Maybe we suddenly find ourselves in quiet openness, a profound stillness without any feeling of lack. Then thought comes in and beings to wonder “Will this last? Can I get it back? Was it real? Was this enlightenment or is there more? It doesn’t seem enough.” Thinking about a past moment of freedom immediately sows the seeds of doubt by asking, “Is this all there is? It can’t be! There must be a more convincing experience than what I just had!” Thoughts grow like clinging vines that choke the living presence. Truly being here is being unknown, unknowable, unadorned. Being here is absence of doubting or affirming thoughts about myself. It is the absence of me! Thoughts that arise about me are just thoughts, with their enormous power to obscure clarity.

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我们是否的任务是弄清楚是否存在像佛陀所宣扬的那种完全、绝对的觉悟?我一直喜爱佛陀的话:我从完全无上觉悟中实际上什么都没有获得,这正是它被称为完全无上觉悟的原因。无物可得,无人可得,无空间可据,也无人来占据。只有那活生生的临在,与夜空中闪烁的晚星相伴。对所有那些关于自己想象并紧紧抓住的东西——我是什么,我曾经是什么,我将会是什么,我可能或应当是什么——的放下与消融。

 

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Is it our task to find out whether or not there is total and complete enlightenment like the Buddha proclaimed? I always liked the Buddha’s saying: “I truly attained nothing from complete, unexcelled enlightenment, and that is why it is called complete, unexcelled enlightenment” No-thing, no one to attain it, spaceless space, no one there to occupy it. Just alive presence with the evening star in the sky. Dying to all the stuff imagined and clung to about oneself – what I am, what I was, what I will be, what I could be, should be…

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我们能否以日益加深的清晰与智慧,将所有概念仅仅视为概念?而不是急速奔向那只存在于念头中的未来承诺?我们能否清楚地区分何为思维,何为此刻真正的在场,而无需去思考它?我们能否毫不费力地辨别?

 

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Can we see all concepts as concepts with deepening clarity and wisdom? Not immediately lurching toward something promised in the future that has its sole existence in thoughts? Can we clearly discern what constitutes thinking and what is actually present right here without needing to think it? Can we discern it effortlessly?

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敞开的窗户、新鲜空气拂过皮肤、四处灿烂的阳光,各种啁啾之声、乌鸦的呼唤与呼吸、脉动的生命!呱,呱,呱,呱……全身的感觉、呼吸、凝视——不是文字,而是万物的生机。我们现在能否意识到完全无上觉悟只不过是一个概念?

 

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The open windows, fresh air touching the skin, bright sunshine everywhere, all kinds of twittering sounds, crows calling and breathing, pulsating life! Caw, caw, caw, caw.. Sensations throughout the body, breathing, beholding it, not the words, but the aliveness of it all. Can we realize now that “complete unexcelled enlightenment” is a concept?

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你可能会真诚地反对:我怎能确信觉悟仅仅是个概念?也许它是真实的。许多开悟的老师都曾谈论并写下关于它的东西。那么——我们是否该一起问:没有所有概念的觉悟究竟是什么?’”

 

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You may sincerely object, “How can I know for sure that enlightenment is just a concept? Maybe it is real. Lots of enlightened teachers have told and written about it. So – shall we then ask together: “What is enlightenment without all concepts?”

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让我们深切探讨这个问题,不求他人对经验的描述,不寻求承诺,也不期望确知,而是因不知而发问,以冥想的、深刻的、幽暗的方式探询,直到我们不再分辨何为开悟未开悟!在无知中静默深思,概念的世界便会被抛在身后。我们会以这种方式进入问题吗?

 

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Let us delve profoundly into this question, not asking for other people’s description of experiences, not looking for promises, nor expecting to know for sure, but questioning out of not knowing, inquiring meditatively, deeply, darkly, until we don’t know anymore what is “enlightened” or “un-enlightened”! In silently wondering deeply without knowing, the conceptual world is left behind. Are we going into the question in this way?

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我们太常因为内心对某种解脱痛苦的渴望,而阻碍了深层探询。与其问什么是觉悟,我们能否质疑内心那种不足感?我们曾试图用各式各样的幻想来填补那空虚,用娱乐、物质拥有、成就、人际关系、灵性追寻和庄严的誓言——任何能够填补那疼痛空洞的东西。然而,我们是否曾真切、无条件地直接探索过那空虚?

 

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All too often our yearning for something to alleviate the inner suffering gets in the way of deep inquiry. Rather than asking, “What is enlightenment” can we question our inner feeling of insufficiency? We have tried to fill it with fantasies of all descriptions, with entertainment, acquisitions, achievements, relationships, spiritual searching, and solemn vows – anything to fill the aching void. But have we ever really explored it directly, unconditionally?

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无论是在闭关中还是在日常生活中,当我们意识到这一点时,我们能否与那空虚的疼痛共处,而不给它冠以任何名称?让所有标签随风而逝,只停留在此刻所呈现中——那份不加命名的苦楚。停留在那难以言表的状态中,不去抵抗,不去抗争,不去寻找其它,只让眼前的一切完整地呈现:在身、心、整体上,让它自然而然地呈现,而不加知晓。不要成为支持或反对它的施为者/作者。只是在混沌寂静之中保持这份静默的临在。在这之中,一种展开的透明性开始浮现。它在一个人耐心、静默、无条件地坐着时发生。这里所说的坐着仅仅意味着全然与眼前的一切同在。不向任何别处移动,也不朝向什么,只是全然停留于整体之中——一种包含了所有身体感受、呼吸、风暴、雨、阳光、鸟鸣、咳嗽、风扇嗡嗡声的强烈临在,一切就在这里,同时展现,无缝连接。观察涌现的念头,即将触发的情绪,产生的身体感觉,以及随后纷纷消退的更多念头、情绪、感觉、体感——全然与这一切同在。没有任何可以逃避的地方。一切无分隔地在此呈现。

 

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Becoming conscious of it in or out of retreat, can we be with the ache of emptiness ,not calling it by any name? Let all labels fly into thin air and stay with what is here, discomfort without calling it discomfort. Staying here with what’s indefinable. Not resisting, not fighting, not looking for anything else. Just letting what is here be here in its entirety, physically, mentally, totally. Letting it be without knowing. Not becoming the doer for or against it. Just this quiet presence in the midst of the silence of chaos. In this there is an unfolding transparency. It happens when one sits patiently, silently, unconditionally. By “sitting” I simply mean being totally with what is here. Not moving away or toward something else, just remaining with the whole thing – an intense presence that includes all bodily sensations, breathing, wind-storming, raining, sunning, birding, coughing, fans humming – everything right here, all at once, without a seam. Observing thoughts coming up, emotions about to be triggered, physical sensations arising and more thoughts, emotions, feelings, sensations unfolding and abating – being with it all. There isn’t any place to escape to. Everything is here without separation.

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让念头自然涌现,让它们如其本来般显现后又消逝。那一切都是梦境的碎片,来自无限过去的痕迹。念头或许会引发恐惧,但恐惧也可以变成透明。当它出现时,就任它呈现。不要给它冠以名称——标签会引出过去的记忆和反应。也无需对它产生任何感受——那些也都是空的。恐惧是在我们习惯性的以自我为中心的意识中不可避免的现象。我们不可能在不体验对可能发生之事的恐惧中,继续维持那分离的幻觉。但幻觉和梦境也可以仅仅被看作是梦和幻觉,尽管它们能引发以恐怖、痛苦或快感形式出现的巨大内心动荡。这一切都是人类意识以的分离形式展现的一部分。

 

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Let thoughts come up, let them reveal themselves for what they are and disappear. It all is the stuff of dreams, traces from the infinite past. Thoughts may trigger fear, but fear too can become transparency. When it arises, here it is. Let it be. Don’t call it by name – labels attract memories and reactions from the past. No need to have any feelings about it – they too are empty. Fear is an unavoidable occurrence in our habitual self-centered consciousness. We cannot possibly live the illusion of a separate me without experiencing fears about what may happen to it. But illusions and dreams can also be seen as just dreams and illusions, even though they can arouse tremendous inner turbulence in the form of horror, agony, or pleasure. It is all part and parcel of human consciousness manifesting as separate me and you.

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静坐凝观,目送一切不断涌现。可能会有一段录音在播放:这就是冥想的全部吗?我不想将余生都花在看那些无休止的垃圾重复上。但重要的不在于看到了什么,而在于观看的质量。当有人问:观察念头与情绪的来去是否就是全部的冥想?我回答:这一切取决于观察的品质。它是否被评判、是否充满内疚、羞耻或不耐烦?当那些心理活动发生时,见其本来面目而不为之动摇。这就是无分别觉知——没有独立的观察者占据中心舞台。内在的展现自己、自然地呈现,无需特定的观众,无需掌声或否定。让一切在无限开放的临在空间中自然发生。

 

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Sitting quietly, watching things come up time and time again, a tape may be playing: “Is that what meditation is all about? I don’t want to spend the rest of my meditative life watching endless repetitions of garbage.” But the important thing is not what is seen but the quality of seeing. When a person asks, “Is watching the comings and goings of thoughts and emotions all there is to meditation?” I say that it all depends on the quality of the watching. Is it consumed by judging, by feeling guilty, ashamed, or impatient? As those mental movements occur, see them for what they are and don’t be disturbed by them. That is choiceless awareness – no separate watcher occupying center stage. The inner show is simply displaying itself on its own and needs no particular audience, no applause or rejection . Let it all happen as it is happening in the infinite space of open presence.

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无分别觉知仅仅是另一场梦境,一个新的幻觉吗?念头可以通过思考和幻想把任何事物转化为概念。当它发生时,就见其本来面目,不要被迷惑。无分别觉知不是幻觉。它是为像你我这样的凡人而现成的。透明性自然而然展开,毫无修饰地、直接而简单地呈现出一切,无需导演。

 

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Is “choiceless awareness” just another dream, a new illusion? Thought can turn anything into a concept by thinking and dreaming about it. See it when it happens and don’t be fooled by it. Choiceless awareness is not an illusion. It is here for human beings like you and me. Transparency unfolds on its own, revealing all there is as it is, in utter directness and simplicity, without need for a director.

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事实上,即便在黑暗时刻,觉知仍然在。临在永远不会离开。这不是一句教条式的话,而是我们每个人都能体会到的简单事实。看那云彩,看那黑暗!听那风声!感受那呼吸!闻那花香!触摸那摇曳的草丛!云彩、风、念头、呼吸、芬芳的花朵和草不断变化,但的能力却超越时间。即便疑虑遮蔽了它,当心停止运作,每一个细胞都张开去听、去看、去存在的那一刻,它便在这里。

 

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Actually, awareness is here even during times of darkness. Presence never goes anywhere. This is not a dogmatic statement but a simple fact that each one of us can come upon. See the cloud, the darkness! Hear the wind! Feel the breathing! Smell the flowers! Touch the swaying grasses! Clouds, wind, thoughts, breathing, fragrant flowers, and grasses change all the time, but seeing is here without time. Even though doubts may obscure it, it is here the instant the mind stops and every cell of the body opens up to hear and see and be.

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不必为那些已经说过的话烦扰自己的脑袋。全然在场是我们整个人,而不仅仅是头脑!我们是那不断从一个瞬间到另一个瞬间无间断的生命创造。无论是轻松漫步于田野、穿过树林、沿着海滩,或是走在城市街头,都充满着纯粹生命的喜悦、那无限的运动、声音与芳香——对这一切的热爱,而不将之物化为某种事物!

 

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No need to bother one’s head about what has been said. Being present is all of oneself, not just the head! We are this entire living creation from moment to moment without a break. Walk innocently through the fields, into the woods, along the ocean beach or in the city streets with the sheer joy of aliveness, its infinite movements and sounds and fragrance – the love of it all without making a thing out of it!

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我们在此吗?

 

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Are we here?

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“What Is The “Me”?”

 

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What Is The “Me”?

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Soh

 

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Soh

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作者 Toni Packer (http://www.springwatercenter.org/teachers/packer/)

 

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by Toni Packer (http://www.springwatercenter.org/teachers/packer/)

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以下文章改编自 Toni Packer 1997 8 月闭关第四天的一次讲座。

 

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The following article was adapted from a talk by Toni Packer on Day 4 of the August 1997 retreat.

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这是一个忧郁的日子,不是吗?阴暗、布满云层、凉爽、潮湿且多风。真是奇妙,这一切关于天气的现象!我们称之为天气,但它究竟是什么呢?风。雨。云彩缓缓散开。不是那些谈论中的词语,而正是这种变得阴暗、吹拂、猛烈敲击、湿润,然后转而放晴、蓝天在黑暗中显现,阳光在湿漉漉的草地和树叶上闪烁。片刻之后,会有霜冻、雪和冰覆盖;接着又回暖、融化,到处渗出水来。在一个早春的日子里,那泥泞的小路上闪烁着银色的水流。那么——“天气除了这不断变化的世间现象及其所影响的人类诸多思想、情感和行为之外,还有什么呢?喜与恶、抑郁与欣喜、创造与毁灭;一条不断变换、无处驻留的事件流,除非在思索与言谈中,否则找不到所谓的天气实体。

 

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A somber day, isn’t it? Dark, cloudy, cool, moist and windy. Amazing, this whole affair of “the weather!” We call it “weather,” but what is it really? Wind. Rain. Clouds slowly parting. Not the words spoken about it, but just this darkening, blowing, pounding, wetting, and then lightening up, blue sky appearing amidst darkness, and sunshine sparkling on wet grasses and leaves. In a little while there’ll be frost, snow and ice-covers. And then warming again, melting, oozing water everywhere. On an early spring day the dirt road sparkles with streams of wet silver. So — what is “weather” other than this incessant change of earthly conditions and all the human thoughts, feelings, and undertakings influenced by it? Like and dislike. Depression and elation. Creation and destruction. An ongoing, ever changing stream of happenings abiding nowhere. No entity “weather” to be found except in thinking and talking about it.

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那么——是否存在自我我自己这样的实体?还是它就像天气一样——是一股不断变化的思想、图像、记忆、投射、喜好与厌恶、创造与毁灭的流动,而思维不断称之为我自己“Toni”,从而把那些转瞬即逝的东西凝固成实体?我究竟是什么,真实的又是什么?我又如何看待和相信自己是什么?我们是否有兴趣从每一刻中探究这神奇的自我现象?这是否也许正是闭关修行的精髓所在?在超越我们所寻求甚至可能已获得的那份平静与寂静之后,更加细微地探索自己;以求对那种被称为他人的深刻分离感有更清晰的认识,而无需对其进行谴责或刻意超越。

 

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Now — is there such an entity as “me,” “I,” “myself?” Or is it just like the “weather” — an ongoing, ever changing stream of ideas, images, memories, projections, likes and dislikes, creations and destructions, which thought keeps calling “I,” “me,” “Toni,” and thereby solidifying what is evanescent? What am I really, truly, and what do I think and believe I am? Are we interested in exploring this amazing affair of “myself” from moment to moment? Is this, maybe, the essence of retreat work? Exploring ourselves minutely beyond the peace and quiet that we are seeking and maybe finding. Coming upon clarity about this deep sense of separation which we call “me,” and “other people,” without any need to condemn or overcome.

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大多数人理所当然地认为,我就是,而这个就是这具身体、这颗心,以及那种明显使自己与他人分离的知识和感受。我们彼此交谈时使用的语言,总是不由自主地暗示着各自独立的。我们每个人都不停地谈论,思考、书写、阅读、梦见这些词语,几乎没有停顿。这种对”——独立于他人的存在感——的不断强化,使我们感到孤立、隔离、未被理解。如果把分离视为理所当然,以至于成为常识,又如何能触及真相呢?

 

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Most human beings take it totally for granted that I am “me,” and that “me” is this body, this mind, this knowledge and sense about myself which so obviously feels separate from other people. The language in which we talk to ourselves and to each other inevitably implies separate “me’s,” and “you’s” all the time. All of us talk “I” and “you” talk, we think it, write it, read it, and dream it with rarely any pause. There is incessant reinforcement of the sense of “I,” “me,” separate from others. Isolated. Insulated. Not understood. How is one to come upon the truth if separation is taken so much for granted, feels so common sense?

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但这一难题并非不可克服。完整、真实的存在就像隐藏在云层之后的太阳,始终存在;尽管有云遮蔽,白昼依旧普照。

 

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The difficulty is not insurmountable. Wholeness, true being, is here all the time, like the sun behind the clouds. Daylight is here in spite of cloud cover.

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云彩是由什么构成的?

 

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What makes up the clouds?

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我们能否开始意识到,我们生活在关于自我的概念化、抽象的观念中?而我们却很少直接触及正在发生的真实事物?我们能否认识到,关于自我的念头——“我好我不好我受欢迎不受欢迎”——不过是念头,而念头并不能告诉我们真正的我是什么?念头就是念头,它会立即引发全身心的生理反应、快感与痛苦。生理反应又会进一步激发出关于自我的念头和感受——“我在受苦我很快乐我一无是处。这些反馈暗示着这一切都是,暗示着我受到了伤害,或者某种程度上对自己感到良好,或觉得我需要保护自己,或需要从他人那里获得更多的认可与爱。当我们在日常人际关系中保护自己时,我们并非是在防御飞来的石块或炸弹,而正是为了躲避言语、手势、声调的变化及暗示。

 

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Can we begin to realize that we live in conceptual, abstract ideas about ourselves? That we are rarely directly in touch with what actually is going on? Can we realize that thoughts about myself — I am good or bad, I’m liked or disliked — are nothing but thoughts — and that thoughts do not tell us the truth about what we really are? A thought is a thought, and it triggers instant physical reactions, pleasures and pains throughout the bodymind. Physical reactions generate further thoughts and feelings about myself — “I’m suffering,” “I’m happy,” “I’m no good.” Feedback that implies that all this is me, that I have gotten hurt, or somehow feel good about myself, or that I need to defend myself, or get more approval and love from others. When we’re protecting ourselves in our daily interrelationships we’re not protecting ourselves from flying stones or bomb attacks. It’s from words we’re taking cover, from gestures, from colorations of voice and innuendo.

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就在刚才,有人说:“……我们在保护自己……我们在寻找避难所。使用我们日常的语言,总会隐含着这样一个意思:有某个真实存在在保护,而也有某个真实存在需要被保护。

 

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Just now words were spoken, “. . . we’re protecting ourselves, . . . we’re taking cover.” In using our common language the implication is constantly created that there is someone real who is protecting and someone real that needs protection.

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那么,到底有没有某个真实存在需要从言语和手势中受到保护?还是我们仅仅生活在关于的观念与故事之中,而这一切都在我们那不断播放的自我音像剧场上上演?

 

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Is there someone real to be protected from words and gestures, or are we merely living in ideas and stories about me and you, all of it happening on the stage of the on-going audio/video drama of ourselves?

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我们需要极其细致、冷静地跟随内在的戏剧,准确无偏地观察,从而将其如实表达。我们所说的被使人感觉良好受到伤害,指的是那不断演绎的我故事的内在强化,或是它被戳破、被放气。无论是我故事的增强还是扰动,都会伴随着贯穿全身的愉悦能量或痛苦的感觉与情绪。只需一句话,便可让人感受到温暖或寒意——那句话唤起了记忆、感受与激情。

 

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The utmost care and attention is needed to follow the internal drama fairly accurately, dispassionately, in order to express it as it is seen. What we mean by “being made to feel good” or “being hurt” is the internal enhancing of our ongoing me-story, or the puncturing and deflating of it. Enhancement or disturbance of the me-story is accompanied by pleasurable energies or painful feelings and emotions throughout the organism. Either warmth or chill can be felt at the drop of a word evoking memories, feelings, passions.

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此刻话语正在被说出,我们可以从字面和理智上去理解它们。如果这些话语构造得相当清晰且合乎逻辑,那么它们在理智上便是通畅的。也许起初必须从理智上了解我们内心正在发生的事,但那并不是全部。所说的话语指向的,可能是可以直接在内心中看见和感受到的东西;而随着谈话的进行,从这一刻到谈话结束之后(乃至闭关之后),我们是否能以全新、清醒、直接的方式体验当受到伤害或奉承时所发生的种种?究竟发生了什么?什么在受伤?又是什么使伤害持续?是否可以觉察到防御心的产生、恐惧与愤怒的形成或退缩的发生——所有这些都伴随着某种故事情节?整个戏剧能否变得越来越透明?在这种日益透明之中,能否彻底被质疑?究竟是什么在受到保护?究竟是什么让人觉得受伤?是吗?我究竟是什么?

 

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Right now words are being spoken, and they can be followed literally, intellectually. If they are fairly clearly and logically put together they can make sense intellectually. Perhaps at first it’s necessary to understand what is going on in us intellectually. But that’s not the whole thing. The words that are spoken point to something that may be directly seen and felt, inwardly, as the talk proceeds. And as we go along from moment to moment, now and after the talk is over, (and after retreat) can we experience freshly, wakefully, directly, when hurt or flattery are taking place? What is happening? What is being hurt? And what keeps the hurt going? Can there be some awareness of defenses arising, fear and anger forming, or withdrawal taking place, all accompanied by some kind of storyline? Can the whole drama become increasingly transparent? And, in becoming increasingly transparent, can it be thoroughly questioned? What is it that is being protected? What is it that one thinks got hurt? Me? What is me?

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这真是奇妙。一丝觉知的火花见证了一句言语在全身引发快感或痛苦。那种联系能否变得清晰?那种即时性显现出来,却没有任何的实体去指挥它,尽管我们口头和心中都宣称并相信我们在做这一切。但我们也会说,我们并不愿那样做。言语与反应沿着精密运作的路径和相互关联的网络流动。一念生起关于失落的想法,太阳神经丛随之紧缩而生疼痛;而关于爱的幻想出现时,则随之引发一片快感的海洋。是谁在制造这一切?念头说:是我!那这一切究竟发生在谁身上?念头说:当然是在我身上!但是,除去所有念头与情感、那跳动的心、在全身循环的痛苦与快感能量,这个究竟在哪里,又究竟是什么?谁能以如此惊人的速度和精确度完成这一切?思索自我并触发生理反应需要时间,而当下的觉知却能瞬间将整个戏剧揭示出来。所有的一切都在自行发生,没有人来指挥这出戏!

 

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It is amazing. A spark of awareness witnessing one spoken word arousing pleasure or pain all over. Can the connection become clear? The immediacy of it, and no I-entity there directing it, even though we say and believe we are doing all that. But we also say that we don’t want to do that. Words and reaction proceed along well-oiled pathways and interconnections. A thought of loss comes up and the solar plexus tightens in pain. Fantasy of love-making occurs and an ocean of pleasure ensues. Who does it? Thought says, “I do!” To whom is it happening? Thought says, “To me of course!” But, where and what is this I, this me, aside from all the thoughts and feelings, the palpitating heart, painful and pleasurable energies circulating throughout the organism? Who could possibly be doing it all with such amazing speed and precision? Thinking about ourselves and triggering physiological reactions take time, but present awareness brings the whole drama to light instantly. Everything is happening on its own. No one is directing the show!

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此刻风暴正肆虐,枝条吱吱作响,叶子颤抖。这一切都体现在倾听中——但这倾听究竟是谁的?是我的?是你的?我们会说:我在倾听,或我听不如你,而这些话使得心灵充满了早已习得的情感与情绪。你或许会抗议:我的听觉不是你的。你的身体也不是我的。我们数千年来一直这么认为并据此行事,但如今,是否可以仅仅听到摇曳的树木、沙沙作响的叶子,以及透过窗户吹来、使皮肤感到凉爽的清新空气?这并不是发生在某一个人身上,而是对我们所有人而言都纯粹地呈现,不是吗?

 

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Right this moment wind is storming, branches are creaking and leaves quivering. It’s all here in the listening — but whose listening is it? Mine? Yours? We say, “I’m listening” or, “I cannot listen as well as you do” and these words befuddle the mind with feelings and emotions learned long ago. You may be protesting that “my hearing isn’t yours. Your body isn’t mine.” We have thought like that for eons and behave accordingly, but presently, can there be just the sound of swaying trees and rustling leaves and fresh air blowing through the window cooling the skin? It’s not happening to anyone. It’s simply present for all of us, isn’t it?

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我听起来是不是仿佛在试图说服你些什么?那种努力以简单、清晰方式传达的热情,可能会被误解为试图影响他人。但事实并非如此。这里只是描述着我们所有人正在经历的现实。没有什么需要买卖的。我们能否仅仅倾听,并自行验证每一刻所呈现给我们的探索?

 

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Do I sound as though I’m trying to convince you of something? The passion arising in trying to communicate simply, clearly, may be misunderstood for a desire to influence people. That’s not the case. There is just the description of what is happening here for all of us. Nothing to be sold or bought. Can we simply listen and test out on our own what is being offered for exploration from moment to moment?

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那么,那不断受到伤害、被吸引、被奉承的究竟是什么?从心理学角度来说,我们说我们与自己产生了认同;而在灵性语言中,我们说我们依恋于自己。这个自我究竟是什么?是感受到自己的存在,知道我是什么,拥有大量关于自己的记忆——所有关于我的观念、图像与感受串联成一部连贯的故事?而且对这部故事了解得如此透彻——无数记忆,有的添加,有的删除,全都互相连接——我是什么,我长什么样,我的能力与缺陷如何,我的教育、家庭、姓名、喜好与厌恶、观点、信仰等等。对这一切的认同意味着这就是我;而对它的依恋则意味着我无法放下它。

 

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What is the “me” that gets hurt or attracted, flattered, time and time again, the world over? In psychological terms we say that we are identified with ourselves. In spiritual language we say, that we are attached to ourselves. What is this “ourselves?” Is it feeling myself existing, knowing what I am, having lots of recollections about myself — all the ideas and pictures and feelings about myself strung together in a coherent story? And knowing this story very well — multitudes of memories, some added, some dropped, all inter-connected — what I am, how I look, what my abilities and disabilities are, my education, my family, my name, my likes and dislikes, opinions, beliefs, etc., etc. The identification with all of that, meaning, “This is what I am.” And the attachment to it, meaning, “I can’t let go of it.”

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让我们超越概念,直接探究我们所指的那些概念。如果有人说,我认同我的姓氏,那究竟是什么意思呢?举个例子:作为一个成长中的孩子,我曾非常认同我的姓氏,因为那是我父亲的,而且据说他很有名。我喜欢向别人讲述我父亲的科学成就,以此赢得尊重并让自己感受到愉悦,通过给朋友留下深刻印象来获得满足。我通过他人的目光感受到钦佩,哪怕那些目光可能根本不存在,可能只是投射。也许有人甚至会觉得,她真无聊!在我们公寓的入口处,有一块小巧擦亮的黄铜铭牌,上面刻着我父亲的名字和他的头衔:教授,博士 Phil。我对“Phil”印象尤为深刻,因为我认为那意味着我父亲是一位哲学家,而实际上他并非如此。我一定认为哲学家是个格外令人敬畏的人。所以我便告诉一些朋友,并带他们去看那块黄铜铭牌。这便是认同的一种含义——通过吸收关于他人或团体、或者关于自己的观念、成就、过失——任何东西——来增强自我感觉,并认为这一切都是。对自我的重要性感受能激发出惊人且令人上瘾的能量。

 

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Let’s go beyond concepts and look directly into what we mean by them. If one says, “I’m identified with my family name,” what does that mean? Let me give an example. As a growing child I was very much identified with my last name because it was my father’s and he was famous — so I was told. I liked to tell others about my father’s scientific achievements to garner respect and pleasurable feelings for myself by impressing friends. I felt admiration through other people’s eyes which may not even have been there. It may have been projected. Perhaps some people even felt, “What a bore she is!” On the entrance door to our apartment there was a little polished brass sign with my father’s name on it and his titles: Professor, Doctor Phil. The Phil impressed me particularly, because I thought it meant that my father was a philosopher, which he was not. I must have had the idea that a philosopher was a particularly imposing individual. So I told some of my friends about it and brought them to look at the little brass sign at the door. This is one meaning of identification — enhancing one’s sense of self by incorporating the ideas about other individuals or groups, or one’s possessions, achievements, transgressions — anything — and feeling that all of this is “me.” Feeling important about oneself generates amazing, addictive energies.

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再举一个过去的例子:我曾非常认同我那半犹太血统。并非在德国公开表达,因为我大多选择隐藏而非展示这一点;而在战后,当我向人们讲述我们家族的命运,并因此获得热情的关注、立刻的同情以及滋养般的兴趣时,这种认同变得格外强烈。人很容易沉迷于让自己的人生故事在他人和自己面前显得光彩夺目,并以此吸取激发出的能量。这便是认同与依恋的一部分。而当这种依恋被他人质疑、否定或彻底挑战时,就会突然产生不安全感、身体不适、愤怒、恐惧、伤害等反应。

 

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To give another example from the past: I became very identified with my half-Jewish descent. Not openly in Germany, where I mostly tried to hide it rather than display it, but later on after the war ended, telling people of our family’s fate, and finding welcome attention, instant sympathy, and nourishing interest in the story. One can become quite addicted to making the story of one’s life impressive to others and to oneself, and feed on the energies aroused by that. So that’s a bit of what identification and attachment are about. And when that is disturbed by someone not buying into it, contesting it or questioning it altogether, there is sudden insecurity, physical discomfort, anger, fear, hurt, whatever.

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成为禅修中心的一员并从事灵性修行后,我有一天意识到自己已经很久没有谈论过自己的背景。而现在,当有人提起这一话题时——有时采访者会要求我谈谈这方面的事——总觉得既麻烦又费力。为何要翻旧账?我想谈论的是倾听、风和鸟。[笑声] 采访者,你在倾听吗?还是你更对身份和故事感兴趣?

 

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Becoming a member of the Zen Center and engaging in spiritual practice, I realized one day that I had not been talking about my background in a long while. And now, when somebody brings it up — sometimes an interviewer will ask me to talk about it — it feels like so much bother and effort. Why delve into old stuff? I want to talk about listening, the wind, and the birds. [Laughter] Are you listening too, interviewer? Or are you more interested in identities and stories?

简体中文翻译:

有时人们会问:既然我如此明显地在教导,为何我不自称为教师?今天早上就有人提出这一问题——在会议室外等待时以及紧张地带着心跳进入时,各种投射和心理联想纷至沓来。教师与学生的形象仿佛自动地像衣服般呈现出来,让人去穿戴、去扮演这些角色。然而,在讲座和与人会面时,这种师生形象却不存在——它属于另一种存在层次。如果形象真的浮现出来,它们就会像遮蔽太阳的云一样挡住光芒。没有形象的交往,是宇宙中最新鲜、最自由的体验。

 

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At times people bring up the question about why I don’t call myself a teacher when I’m so obviously engaged in teaching. Somebody actually brought it up this morning — the projections and mental as well as psychological associations aroused in waiting outside the meeting room and then entering nervously with a pounding heart. The images of teacher and student offering themselves automatically like clothes to put on and roles to play in these clothes. In giving talks and meeting with people the student-teacher imagery is not there — it belongs to a different level of existence. If images do come up they’re in the way like clouds hiding the sun. Relating without images is the freshest, freest thing in the universe.

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那么,我是什么,你又是什么——我们在没有形象为衣装、遮蔽我们真实本性时究竟是什么?这真是难以用形象来表达,不是吗?然而,依然可以听到风吹过、树木摇晃、乌鸦呱呱叫、木质结构吱呀作响、呼吸自然而然地流动,而这一切都不需要任何念头的介入。念头只不过是附着在当下真实发生之事之上的外在附加,而我们大部分生命正是在这附加的世界中度过。

 

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So, what am I and what are you — what are we with- out images clothing and hiding our true being? It’s un-image-inable, isn’t it? And yet there’s the sound of wind blowing, trees shaking, crows cawing, woodwork creaking, breath flowing without need for any thoughts. Thoughts are grafted on top of what’s actually going on right now, and in that grafted world we happen to spend most of our lives.

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然而,无论一个人是否从事灵性修行、是否打坐,偶尔真实的世界总会奇妙地透过一切显现出来。当言语归于沉寂,当一切未知,当没有听者而又有倾听、觉知而无分离时,那又究竟是什么?

 

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And yet, every once in a while, whether one does spiritual work or not, meditating or not, the real world shines wondrously through everything. What is it when words fall silent? When there is no knowing? When there is no listener and yet there is listening, awaring, without any separation?

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我不禁想起一次瑞士探访父母时的情景。我与母亲的关系一直颇为艰难,我曾非常害怕她。她是个充满激情、时常愤怒的女人,但她也充满了爱。在那次探访中,我曾看到她站在餐厅里对着我。她就那样静静地站着,莫名其妙地,我突然看见了一个没有过去包袱的她。她的形象消失了,也没有任何关于她如何看待我的念头。所有这一切都消散了,只剩下对这位女性纯粹的爱。她身上散发出如此耀眼的美丽,我们之间的关系也因此改变,变得更加亲密。它就那样自然而然地发生了。

 

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A moment during a visit with my parents in Switzerland comes to mind. I had always had a difficult relationship with my mother. I was very afraid of her. She was a very passionate woman with lots of anger. But also love. Once during that visit I saw her standing in the dining room facing me. She was just standing there, and for no known reason or cause I suddenly saw her without the past. There was no image of her, and also no idea of what she saw in me. All that was gone. There was nothing left except pure love for this woman. Such beauty shone out of her. And our relationship changed, there was a new closeness. It just happened.

简体中文翻译:

有人说,看见破碎的形象会引发悲伤。但自我形象的破碎并不必然造成痛苦。真正看见只不过是一个习惯性的心灵构造,这种觉知能带来超乎想象的解放。

 

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Someone said that seeing a shattered image caused grief. But the shattering of self-image need not cause suffering. Truly seeing that the “me” is nothing but a habitual mental construct is freeing beyond imagination.

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Toni Packer 1967 年开始在罗切斯特禅修中心跟随罗氏 Philip Kapleau 学习禅宗。1981 年,她在纽约春水镇创立了春水静思中心。摘自 Toni Packer 的《临在的奇迹》和《静思探究之道》。

 

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Toni Packer began studying Zen in 1967 with Roshi Philip Kapleau at the Rochester Zen Center. In 1981, she founded the Springwater Center for Meditative Inquiry in Springwater, New York. From The Wonder of Presence and the Way of Meditative Inquiry, by Toni Packer.

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