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John Tan on Buddhism, Quantum Physics, and the “Unified Field”

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Madhyamaka · Quantum Field Theory · Wheeler’s Participatory Universe

John Tan on Buddhism, Quantum Physics, and the “Unified Field”

A brief exchange on why emptiness should not be reified as an underlying substrate, why a manifest/unmanifest split runs against Madhyamaka, and what John Tan found worth noting in Wheeler’s participatory universe.

Discussion prompted by “The Convergence of Buddhism and Quantum Physics: The Unified Field”, Buddhistdoor Global

Article Under Discussion

Susanna Yeung, PhD, “The Convergence of Buddhism and Quantum Physics: The Unified Field,” Buddhistdoor Global, 25 September 2026.

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John Tan’s Initial Reaction

A friend shared the article with John Tan. His initial reaction focused on the article’s opening framing.

John Tan

The first paragraph already disappoints me:

“With the emergence of the ‘field’ perspective in quantum physics, Buddhism and science have drawn closer than ever. In physics, a ‘field’ is a dynamic, invisible medium that fills all of space-time: a living, vibrating fabric from which particles emerge and into which they dissolve. This ‘unified field’ resonates deeply with the Buddhist concepts of dependent arising or emptiness (yuanqi xing kong; 緣起性空) and mind-only (weishi; 唯識).”

Context, paraphrased

The friend who shared the article explained that it had originally been sent to them and that they had not yet had time to read it closely. They then went back and read it more carefully.

Why the Manifest / Unmanifest Equation Is a Problem

John Tan

There are many places like this:

“Dependent arising corresponds to the manifest world of matter, while emptiness corresponds to the unmanifest quantum field.”

That is almost the opposite of Madhyamaka.

Frankly, it is not well written. The views are all jumbled together, including its treatment of quantum field theory (QFT).

Context, paraphrased

After reading the piece, the person who shared it agreed that the presentation was somewhat muddled. They remarked, with some humor, that once an article invokes both quantum physics and Buddhism, almost any comparison can seem to get a free pass.

John Tan

Although physics seeks deeper unification, it has not discovered an underlying unified field.

A Related Reflection on Physics and Philosophy

Context, paraphrased

The person who shared the article then mentioned having attended a recent London event on physics, philosophy, and consciousness. They found the discussions underwhelming and did not return for the second day. In their recollection, speakers associated with the views of Roger Penrose and Stephen Hawking debated cosmological questions such as an eternal universe versus a Big Bang model, at times quite heatedly.

Their broader impression was that physicists do not always examine how their mathematical models translate into philosophical commitments. In their view, some discussions remain focused on the models themselves without fully thinking through the philosophical implications.

What John Tan Thought Was Worth Preserving

John Tan

The article is a complete substantialist reading: an unchanging source → produces changing phenomena → a monistic view.

Only one part is worth noting: Wheeler’s participatory universe—“it from bit.” That is the only point worth preserving, insofar as it treats subject and object as not simply independently given.

Editorial Clarification: “It from Bit”

John Archibald Wheeler’s established formulation is “it from bit.” In his participatory-universe discussion, physical reality is framed in relation to information and to yes-or-no answers elicited through measurement. The point retained in this exchange is deliberately limited: John Tan singled out the participatory challenge to treating subject and object as simply, independently given. He did not identify Wheeler’s proposal with Madhyamaka emptiness.

The exchange ended with the person who had shared the article thanking John Tan for his comments.

Source link: https://www.buddhistdoor.net/features/the-convergence-of-buddhism-and-quantum-physics-the-unified-field/

Why Objects Don't Really Exist

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 A nice video shared by John Tan.


[24/1/26, 8:58:11 AM] John Tan: I really like this YouTube.  Very clear explanation and same understanding even from a contemplative approach.  Very Buddhist imo.

[24/1/26, 9:03:08 AM] John Tan: Then he talk about Buddhism anatta near the end.  He should he go deeply into dependent arising and emptiness.

[24/1/26, 4:55:53 PM] John Tan: Yin ling, also learn the apophatic logic (negative logic) way of understanding, analysing and experiencing in taste.  Now the video can be understood from using a substantialist framework to understand a non-substantialist world.
[24/1/26, 4:58:38 PM] John Tan: For example, understanding the sense of seamlessness from lack of boundary rather than holism.

The sense of interconnectedness from lack of essence therefore originates dependently rather than connectors joining nodes. ‎

[24/1/26, 5:03:38 PM] John Tan: To understand how madhyamaka negation logic, non implicative negation can work and in fact more coherently explains the entire world of appearances can vividly presents and functions, appears solid, objective and subjective conventionally yet remain ultimately empty.

[24/1/26, 5:05:20 PM] John Tan: That is precisely what has to be overcome and allow the mind to get it.
[24/1/26, 5:05:37 PM] John Tan: Holism is wholeness

[24/1/26, 5:06:37 PM] John Tan: Means a framework build on wholeness.  But Emptiness/dependent arising is beyond whole and parts, neither one nor many.
[24/1/26, 5:07:19 PM] John Tan: Means although there is dependence in origination, u cannot say it is whole or are they separate parts.


[24/1/26, 5:12:45 PM] John Tan: You see, housing vivid appearances (characteristics) into objects as essence, doesn't explain anything or let us know anything at all.  It merely swept a lot of things under the carpet and confuse the mind to think and analyse inherently as if that is reality.
[24/1/26, 5:14:04 PM] John Tan: Like how the video explains, there is no object.
[24/1/26, 5:14:49 PM] John Tan: There is also no field and definite energy even not as a force but as mathematics of various quantities within a system

[24/1/26, 5:15:40 PM] John Tan: This tells us the importance of "conventions" just like mathematics
[24/1/26, 5:15:47 PM] John Tan: Instead of things

[24/1/26, 5:17:06 PM] John Tan: So when we slowly get use to it and understand, looking into our meditative experiences and luminous clarity, the body and mind somehow rewired itself to understand the formation of appearances differently.
[24/1/26, 5:17:37 PM] Yin Ling: This sounds promising


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Gemini Comments:


Explanation of John Tan’s Comments

The Core Theme: Substantialism vs. Non-Substantialism 

John is using the context of a video—likely regarding quantum physics or field theory—to illustrate the difference between a Substantialist view (how we intuitively see the world) and a Non-Substantialist view (the Madhyamaka/Emptiness view).

He is critiquing the tendency to use a "substantialist framework" (thinking in terms of "things," "wholes," or "essences") to understand scientific concepts that effectively point to the absence of inherent nature.

Key Distinctions Breakdown

1. Seamlessness vs. Holism (The Apophatic Approach)

John emphasizes "apophatic logic" (negative logic). This is the method of understanding reality by removing or negating delusions rather than affirming a new "ultimate thing."

  • Holism (Substantialist/Affirmative): This view says, "Everything is One." It treats the universe as a giant container or a singular, giant object. This is "Wholeness." It implies an underlying essence that binds distinct parts together.

  • Seamlessness (Non-Substantialist/Negative): This view says, "There are no boundaries." Seamlessness isn't a "thing" called "The Whole"; it is simply the absence of separation.

    • John's Point: If you view reality as "Holism," you are still holding onto a subtle object (the "Whole"). If you view it as "lack of boundary," you are realizing Emptiness.

2. Interconnectedness: Dependence vs. Connectors

  • Substantialist View: You imagine distinct objects (nodes) A and B, connected by a line (relationship). This presumes A and B have independent existence before they connect.

  • Dependent Arising View: There are no "nodes" to begin with. Dependence does not mean "things exist because they rely on each other"; it means because they are dependent, they do not inherently exist.

    • John's Point: "The sense of interconnectedness [comes] from lack of essence." Interconnectedness is not about connectors joining pre-existing items; it is the realization that since no independent essence can be found, phenomena are merely dependently designated.

3. Madhyamaka & Non-Implicative Negation

John mentions "Non-implicative negation" (prasajya-pratisedha).

  • Implicative Negation: "This is not a chair" (implies it might be a table). It negates one thing to affirm another.

  • Non-Implicative Negation: "There is no inherent self." This negates the self without implying that something else (like a Cosmic Self, a Void, or a Substance) exists in its place.

    • John's Point: This logic allows appearances to be vivid and function (conventional reality) while being ultimately empty. We do not need a "substance" behind the scenes for reality to function; the lack of substance is why it functions.

4. Beyond "One or Many"

John explicitly targets the trap of "Oneness."

"Emptiness/dependent arising is beyond whole and parts, neither one nor many."

If you say reality is "One" (Holism), you fall into Eternalism (asserting an ultimate existing substance). If you say it is "Many" (separate atoms/particles), you fall into Substantialism. Madhyamaka argues that because phenomena originate dependently, they cannot be singular (as they depend on parts/causes) nor plural (as distinct parts would require independent existence).

The Scientific/Physics Analogy

John draws a parallel between modern physics (as seemingly discussed in the video) and Emptiness.

  • The Analogy: Physics reveals there are no solid "particles" (objects) at the fundamental level, only fields, functions, or mathematics.

  • The Mistake: We try to "house" these findings into our old way of thinking. We reify "energy" or "fields" into a new kind of stuff or substance.

  • The Correction: "Objects" are just conventions—mental designations we place on abstract relationships. Just as "Monday" is a convention (not a physical object), a "chair" or "electron" is a nominal designation for a set of conditions, devoid of an existing essence.

Practical Application (Meditative Experience)

In the final messages, John connects this view to practice:

"looking into our meditative experiences and luminous clarity, the body and mind somehow rewired itself to understand the formation of appearances differently."

He suggests that when we stop projecting "essence" or "solidity" onto experience:

  1. Luminosity/Clarity is no longer seen as a "Self" or "Source."

  2. Appearances are seen as magical, vivid displays that have no "backer," "owner," or inherent existence.

  3. The mind stops looking for a "thing" behind the movement and simply recognizes the function itself—vividly appearing yet thoroughly empty of "existing existents."