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The Doctrine of No Mind by Bodhidharma (无心论)

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Anonymous said…
The proper path should b , imvho, to strip away everything, totally release and let go all, only den can true essence b discovered...
Soh said…
You are still talking about I AMness insight, Stage 1 -- http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html

Bodhidharma is talking about Stage 5 here.
Anonymous said…
Either yr right, and youve attained hard-to -come-by stage,which means(almost) everbody simply r at lower stages, or (sorry 2 say) all these stages these years u set to defend r simply conceptual ....
Anonymous said…
Well, if you r truly right , den i can say u must had one hell of mountaineous loads of merit frm previous lives ...or else progress couldnt be like dis ...

Again : Do you comprehend how many lifetimes upon lifetimes( Or how hard) it took for realization to occur? DO YOU ?
Anonymous said…
By caging the path into certain fixed stages, more disservice than benefits had been done ,imvho....

again, if im wrong on yr stages and attainment, i still will say yr too rigid as a teacher and not fluid enough ....
Soh said…
Bahiya attained arhantship right on the spot the first time he met Buddha, upon hearing a single verse from Buddha.

When conditions are ripe, conditions are ripe.

I took much longer than Bahiya -- I knew Thusness in 2004 and only realised anatta 6 years later. I already had conceptual understanding of anatta and emptiness in 2006. I can assure you my realizations are non-conceptual and direct. I also know of many who got it even faster than me.

In Mahasatipatthana sutta, the Buddha assured that by practicing according to his four foundations of mindfulness, one will attain either anagami or arahantship as quickly as 7 days and no more than 7 years. The problem is who is truly following his instructions and practicing seriously?

Don't believe those teachers that say you have to practice 20, 30 years, or take many lifetimes. They either don't know what they're talking about, have no skill to guide students, or are being very dogmatic, and frankly is going against what Buddha said in Mahasatipatthana Sutta.

Although Stephen Norquist is only at Stage 4, I agree with him on this:

http://www.spiritualteachers.org/what-is-enlightenment/

...Basically any practice that can shock you into seeing what is really going on is acceptable. But understand, you want to know what’s really going on, to feel it, to contact reality. It shouldn’t take long, a few years at most, less for some. If a practice or a teacher tells you it will take 10 or 20 years, find a new practice or teacher. Remember you are your own salvation, ultimately it is you who will wake you up. Any method that can shock you into seeing what is really going on is acceptable but the perspective shift must occur...

...99.999% of the spiritual books and teachers out there are completely wrong. They are wrong for one simple reason, they are not enlightened, they don’t know what’s going on...
Soh said…
"By caging the path into certain fixed stages, more disservice than benefits had been done ,imvho...."



Well, I completely disagree with this. The world lacks a very clear spiritual map. Without a map, we are just talking past each other, you are talking about A when I am talking about B. Just confusion all around.

This blog, me and Thusness, have helped 25+ people reach realization of anatta/emptiness. The results speak for itself -- there is clarity in what we say.
Anonymous said…
"Truth is a pathless land"
Soh said…
That statement is usually interpreted in terms of nihilism to mean 'no need for path, or practice'. Such a person falls into nihilism and there is no progress in practice and realization for such a person.

I prefer the clarity of Daniel M. Ingram: https://www.mctb.org/mctb2/table-of-contents/part-v-awakening/37-models-of-the-stages-of-awakening/the-nothing-to-do-and-you-are-already-there-schools/

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