Soh

    Also see: Vajrasattva

    From a thread last year: Facebook Post

    Soh Wei Yu

    On the importance of merits, something I wrote before like a decade ago:

    "I remember years ago Thusness would have me explain the dharma to people from various forums. One time many years ago I thought it would be better if Thusness explained by himself to the others, so I told Thusness why don't you post yourself or something like that. Thusness suddenly appeared serious (he seldom talk in this tone) and asked me so are you going to do this or not? Then he told me the reason (not exact words now but along this line) he had me to do this was because I was lacking in merits to gain enlightenment. And then he said something like... you think I'm joking? Suddenly at that moment I realized why he was always taking the trouble and instructing me to do all those things... when he could have done it himself.

    Not long later I had a meditation experience... he informed me it is due to my merits ripening due to a particular instance of explaining the dharma to someone some time ago. He informed me there is a direct causal relation. When asked how does he know that merits is important for experience and realization, he simply says this is his experience. He says it may not make a lot of sense to a dualistic mind, but this is how it (dependent origination) works.

    Today he no longer makes me explain this and that to others, since I am in a much better position to explain myself based on my insight and experience. But even today he said one of the reasons that contributed to my quick progression of insight is the merits accrued by actively participating in Dharma discussions... apart from the practice and establishment of right view."

    Even my breakthrough last year was the result of my actively engaging in contemplating and writing the AtR guide. It is all intimately connected.


    January 2007

    Marc Teng posted:

    Kamma being a form of energy is not found anywhere in this fleeting consciousness or body. Just as mangoes are not stored anywhere in the mango tree but, dependent on certain conditions, they spring into being, so does kamma. Kamma is like wind or fire. It is not stored up anywhere in the Universe but comes into being under certain conditions.

    John Tan replied:

    This is very well said. This is Emptiness. This is Buddhism.


    Conversation — 10 December 2012

    Soh Wei Yu: Kyle Dixon said, "Merit was something that I sort of passed off as a made up thing (like sin etc..) for a long time but I'm starting to see how that applies with ones intentions and that compassionate resonance."

    "Interesting.. My mentor hammers on merit so much and I used to just think he was being dogmatic but I see that it's a viable and legitimate facet of experience. I've just recently been starting to really focus on that and have been wanting to get back to doing more group practices like I used to... I noticed that when I was doing ganapujas regularly at the local practice center I was having far more peak insights and I never made that correlation til this last month. So interesting that it comes up here with you I feel that's no coincidence My mentor just said last week 'Get your ass to the ganapujas I don't want you missing any more of them' ...he dedicates his merit everytime he does anything (especially before eating/drinking and after practice) and was really stressing that I do the same."

    John: What Kyle said is important. You told him about merit?

    P.S. Nowadays I share dharma not because I want to "cultivate merits" but out of genuine compassion for others. When you wake up, you can't help but want others to wake up too. I'm sure many of you understand.


    Yin Ling

    Hi guys! I am curious of your views regarding new age “law of attraction”, “abraham hicks teachings” and the likes.

    I understand co-creation is part of post awakening, I would like to hear your views or experiences with it if you have any?

    I have been attracted to these spiritual teachings in the past month for some reason I am not really clear 😂🤷🏻‍♀️ 🙏🏻

    Nafis Rahman:

    Related article from the blog: Total Exertion, Omniscience, Magical...

    Excerpts:

    Someone held the view that through quantum physics, somehow our 'mind' is able to (somewhat magically) change the course of global events like global warming, simply through some kind of positive or more enlightened projection (reminds me of teachings like The Secret). His views are influenced by his study of quantum physics and use of psychedelics. I had a back and forth exchange with him.

    There was a thread a while back that talked about manifestation as well, Soh shared a few personal experiences:

    My experience with manifestation has got to do with praying to Green Tara and it has got to do with some of my personal life situations in the past which I do not want to discuss. I did not try other methods of manifestation (including new age ones like 'The Secret').

    But suffice to say, I had some miraculous encounters where Green Tara's presence appeared (not visually but I could feel the presence and it spoke mentally to me) to me and informed me that my wish will be "granted" that day, and then truly it was granted that day after many months. Without that encounter I would have no idea. At the same time there was a strange pleasant smell when I felt 'her Presence', and the last time that happened was when I did Garab Dorje guru yoga for the first time in 2012 after ChNN's transmission (and my bunk mates also smelled that pleasant thing, and by the way burning incense is not allowed in army so I have no ideas how that came about).

    Maybe that may sound superstitious but after that event I was convinced there is something to this promise in this sutra: The Tara Sutra

    1.28

    Those who want children will come to have them,

    Those who seek wealth will come to have that,

    Each and every wish will be fulfilled,

    And obstacles, entirely vanquished, will be no more. (emphasis by Soh)

    (Update by Soh: For a fuller account, see Tara and "Manifestation")

    Soh Wei Yu

    While not negating the power of intentionality and visualisation, one must be careful not to fall into false thinking of agents and inherency but realise the emptiness of self/Self/Agent/agency-action and penetrate into dependent origination. Means something seemingly miraculous can happen, but it must be understood as dependent origination. Even if a yogi displays a siddhi of rising up into the air (just making an example), it is immediately understood as dependent origination without agency. Even if Jesus heals your leprosy by the touch of his hands, it is understood as dependent origination without agency. This is how all phenomena are directly seen after anatta insight.

    This is why it is important to make merits (see On Importance of Merits), and as Buddha said before, if you have the good karma as conditions then whatever you intend, or wish, or visualise, in the next life you will get it — whether you want to be a billionaire or be reborn as a deva, but not if you do not have these merits or good karma. So these intentions can be a condition but will not be fulfilled unless other conditions come into play.

    Buddha:

    "This humankind is attached to self-production

    Or holds to production by another.

    Those who have not understood this

    Have not seen it as a dart.

    But one who sees (this as it is),

    Having drawn out the dart,

    Does not think, 'I am the agent,'

    Nor does she think, 'Another is the agent.'

    This humankind is possessed by conceit,

    Fettered by conceit, bound by conceit.

    Speaking vindictively because of their views,

    They do not go beyond samsara."

    Also related:

    On the disease of non-doership, John Tan said:

    “Nihilistic tendencies arise when the insight of anatta is skewed towards the no-doership aspect. The happening by itself must be correctly understood. It appears that things are accomplished by doing nothing but in actual case it is things get done due to ripening of action and conditions.

    So the lack of self-nature does not imply nothing needs be done or nothing can be done. That is one extreme. At the other end of extreme is the self-nature of perfect control of what one wills, one gets. Both are seen to be false. Action + conditions leads to effect.”

    Kyle Dixon (2019):

    “As to the specifics of your question I’m not sure, but here are a few major differences between classical “determinism” and Buddhist karmic causality:

    Determinism proper necessarily involves inherently existent causes giving rise to inherently existent effects in a unilateral manner.

    Karmic cause and effect in the context of the buddhadharma is only valid conventionally, and since every cause is an effect and every effect a cause, they are, in a coarse sense, bilateral in nature.

    Karma can be “determined” in a certain sense, but since karma takes direction from intention, change can occur, certain results can be averted, suffering can be mitigated and ideally uprooted altogether.”

    Soh Wei Yu:

    I will make the same explanation if someone asks me whether a god, a guru, or a God, can exercise power over you, heal your diseases, grant your wishes, trigger your enlightenment, shower you with grace, and so on. In this case the person may be attached to the idea that a miracle may happen as the result of other-production or other-agency, whereas on the other extreme one may fall into the wrong view of self-agency or self-production. In either case it is not that something miraculous may not appear to happen, but its nature is not correctly apprehended.

    For example:


    Conversation — 30 November 2015

    Soh Wei Yu: My mom told me to chant for my Uncle who had stroke. Though I did chant last time I told her my opinion is it only helps if he chant himself. Then she say don't I believe in masters being able to bless other people (加持). I told her I don't believe in these things.

    John Tan: Told you to see in terms of Yin Yuan (Yin = Causes, Yuan = Conditions).

    Soh Wei Yu: What you mean?

    John Tan: You are only the conditions. Your mum is thinking inherent cause.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Can you give an example? Not sure what you are trying to say.

    Soh Wei Yu: Oh you mean like sickness as dependent arising and cannot be solved by inherent cause. Suddenly I was reminded of what Malcolm said a few days ago: "Meanings are invented, consensual and conventional."

    As for your second sentence, it is very questionable that metaphysical naturalism is necessarily grounded in utilitarianism — I think you are making too broad a claim. For example, take this definition in which there is no species of utilitarianism mentioned:

    Naturalism, in recent usage, is a species of philosophical monism according to which whatever exists or happens is natural in the sense of being susceptible to explanation through methods which, although paradigmatically exemplified in the natural sciences, are continuous from domain to domain of objects and events. Hence, naturalism is polemically defined as repudiating the view that there exists or could exist any entities which lie, in principle, beyond the scope of scientific explanation.

    Buddhadharma [and Jaindharma] in this respect is also a species of metaphysical naturalism — in Buddhadharma there is no mystery precisely because "whatever exists or happens is natural" and there does not exist nor could exist "any entities which lie, in principle, beyond the scope of Dharma explanation."

    In other religions however [sans philosophical Taoism and Confucism], there is a profound mystery, God, through whose agency all things are created.

    Indeed, this is one of the reasons why Buddhadharma is so appealing to westerners with liberal educations. The naturalism of Buddhadharma and philosophical Taoism fit well into our already metaphysically naturalist predilections.

    HH Dalai Lama exemplifies this view with his confidence that indeed science can explain confirm, and justify any and all Buddhist beliefs, but even more than that, he recommends abandoning any Buddhist tenets that are directly contradicted by scientific explanation and found to be definitely false from a scientific point of view. — Malcolm

    Soh Wei Yu: So Buddhism is naturalism without agency. If someone could cause something to happen then that would contradict d.o.

    Soh Wei Yu: Oh ok it's like eating is the whole conditions of biting tasting swallowing it's not that the biting cause eating etc. So you are the conditions not the cause of an effect.. Cause and effect are also conventionally designated based on conditions. Sun doesn't cause sunshine because Suns and sunshine are designated based on the conditions.

    Conversation — 1 December 2015

    Soh Wei Yu: This is why I no longer go Ren Cheng center. So different understandings.

    John Tan: Now saying 'will not' is also not true... saying 'will' also. Both are self view. Seeing whatever arises requires right causes and conditions is then the right view. One must practice to have faith, concentration and clarity and conditions from awaken masters and sincere practitioners. Just like how is to possible to awaken someone else? If it is not possible then is buddha's teaching valuable? Is meeting Buddha in person valuable? Does meeting a skilful master that can observe conditions help? Does meeting a compassionate master help?

    When you feel total exertion, you must not feel it is own power or other power...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Do your insights arise without condition? By its own?

    Soh Wei Yu: Arise with conditions.

    John Tan: If you meet me, then it triggers an insight, is it by me or by you?

    Soh Wei Yu: Neither. By conditioned arising.

    John Tan: Yes. I told you the success stories right about the 3 friends few years ago. About 3 friends forming a company then becoming successful and then split, failed and come back again and fail again.

    Soh Wei Yu: Can you repeat the story?

    John Tan: Smack your head. 3 friends formed a company and done very well and successful. Then each thinks it is their effort. They split and formed their own companies, all failed after struggling for many years. Then they met up and came together and still fail. So is success their effort or not their effort? If it is their effort then why fail? If not their effort then is there any need to strife?

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. It is by the combined effort.

    John Tan: If combined effort then why they failed again when they come back together?

    Soh Wei Yu: Not sure. The yuan is not there anymore.

    John Tan: First you must feel the 3 individuals. You must feel them that they truly believe it is their effort. How is it like to be their effort...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. The second time they no longer believe it is their effort so they no longer strive and exert like the first time.

    John Tan: That is not important. You then must feel are you thinking and having the same mindset? Is it solely self effort? Then you must see they split and they failed...they came together again...yet they failed...

    Soh Wei Yu: It is neither by their effort Nor not by their effort.. Their effort is part of the conditions for success. There are other factors.

    John Tan: They can't understand...feel them...puzzled... When one self view is too strong, he can't see the true picture. Even he is willing to see after those failing experiences, he still is unable to feel the conditions in an intimate way because of the deeply rooted view.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. So they fail because they can't feel the conditions in an intimate way?

    John Tan: Like hearing sound in a non-dual mode...only sound and understanding as dependent origination and emptiness compared to sound is Me in non-dual.

    Even if they can feel the conditions in an intimate way, it does not assure them success too...they just understand the nature of "success and failure".

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Because one has a very narrow view...they only see gaining in a very specific way... Like you failed but you gain other stuff. Gain and lost, profit and loss... Like life and death.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Some people see death as death but some spiritual people see it as the door towards abundant life.

    Soh Wei Yu: You mean afterlife?

    John Tan: So first you must not see jia chi (blessing) as non important ...but to think that jia chi as having the power to effect is also incorrect. Similarly seeing self effort as the only way is also incorrect.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: When you first meet your grandmaster, how you feel? Or Chen Ming An?

    Soh Wei Yu: I can't remember meeting Master Shen Kai because I was 2 years old. When I first met Teacher Chen when I was 13 I felt his presence was very strong.. like an aura. Don't know how to describe.

    John Tan: Now you meet him?

    Soh Wei Yu: The last time I met him I just feel respect for him. His practice and his vows.

    John Tan: Now when you say his presence is very strong, is he affecting you or you are affecting yourself?

    Soh Wei Yu: Hard to say.. neither and both?

    John Tan: Or it is solely psychological or is he sending energy to you?

    Soh Wei Yu: I don't think he is sending energy. His presence is just there.. his stare, expression, samadhi feeling. And being attentive to him can probably bring myself to meditative state.

    John Tan: First you must understand you do not have to "interact". Or two things do not have to send anything to affect each other. Get it?

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.. yeah.

    John Tan: We are thinking it has to in order to effect... But it does not have to...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: When you think it is purely psychological, you also missed the point. We are molded to understand in a certain way ... But not by the way of "conditionality". Yin yuan suo sheng fa (dharma that arise due to causes and conditions). We are molded to understand in a certain way ... But not by the way of "conditionality".

    Soh Wei Yu: Yeah I don't think he is psychological. I believe it's he was in some meditative state. Probably if Ramana Maharshi was there he might be like that. I see.

    John Tan: Do you understand what I mean?

    Soh Wei Yu: Yea.

    John Tan: He is sending energy to the sick person...the energy actually teaches him or it is just purely psychological... We are thinking this is actually how things works or it must work that way. Get it? We are taught to understand in certain way. Just like in non-dual you truly feel everything is you but they are not you too...then the mind is confused. But we do not understand it in terms of conditionality or yin yuan.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Like someone tell you psychological... When you see your teacher. But why all those feelings and sensation arise at all? Why thoughts arise at all? Or why is there sound at all? Get it? With this as condition, that arises.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Don't think of explanation of psychological or sending energy here and there...let go of all these and feel as how total exertion works.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Do you understand what I mean?

    Soh Wei Yu: I think so.

    John Tan: I going to sleep...good nite.

    Soh Wei Yu: Ok good night.

    Conversation — 2 December 2015

    Soh Wei Yu: Yesterday I sent my mom a quote by Buddha: "Misdeeds cannot be washed away with water, the suffering of living beings cannot be removed with the hand, my realization cannot transferred to another, but by showing the true nature of things, there will be liberation.”

    John Tan: Quite a good quote. You must not see yourself as an entity but purely as fa de cheng xian. Yin yuan suo sheng fa. (the manifestation of dharma, dharma arising due to causes and conditions). Then self will be eliminated, what remains is DO, emptiness and non-arising phenomena.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: So without causes and conditions, nothing can manifest.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Just read this [article]. I suspect jia chi is like that. Can't say its useless but can't say it causes effect. If 30% feel that the jia chi is effective then its hard for the community to deny the effects. Even if they know it is a placebo, still 30% will experience positive effects. So if someone believes jia chi will help I'm sure they will find it helpful.

    John Tan: What is jia chi? 加持? Then it depends on the master.

    Soh Wei Yu: Dunno. I remember they mention the master visualise healing light or light of some sort.

    John Tan: The master must of course impart right understanding and knowledge.

    Soh Wei Yu: Jia chi usually the master will also put his hands on the disciple head. And probably visualise light.. not sure. Shen Kai shi fu says the student karma will pass to him and he becomes sick etc. I don't believe in transference of karma or merit as I said before and Malcolm said before. What you mean? But in the case of Teacher Chen he simply do long distance jia chi. Its almost like reiki. But reiki I think has more to do like qigong or what. What you mean then it depends on the master? How does jia chi help actually?

    John Tan: No I mean the master must give right knowledge. Otherwise the master will be claiming what is not true. We must also understand that there other dimensions and negative energies that are influencing consciousnesses. This can be done with the help of the master. What Buddha said is merits, enlightenment and liberation cannot transferred. Also know what Buddha is talking about. He is talking about something much more fundamental and deeper...you are understanding the surface of the meaning.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Now what cannot be given?

    Soh Wei Yu: Insight cannot be given but can be shown or pointed.

    John Tan: You do not know what I meant. To truly know what cannot be given...you need wisdom. That is, you must know what is most fundamental and most treasured in our human experiences. What that can be transferred and given will not precious. So you must deeply know what that is most valuable... A transformative insight for example...cannot be bought, given or transferred. You can read from books, your parents can tell you, your masters and Teachers and keep repeating and force you to meditate upon it...but there is just no realisation.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Also know that some healing effect arises like dispelling negative energies and spirits or whatsoever is not transferring merits or granting enlightenment.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. I think nowadays I have somehow become deeply skeptical of supernatural. Even though I have experienced seeing ghost when I was young (Soh: I was skeptical of many supernatural explanations for various phenomena for what can be explained via simple causality, although not entirely dismissive. But nowadays I am convinced based on many examples that there are indeed many illnesses, not necessarily all, that are triggered by spiritual interference, and can even be mitigated by spiritual means or even a medium's negotiations, but I do not dwell on such areas or topics).

    I mean I'm still open to the possibility of such influences but I'm skeptical. But theres an interesting article: What a Shaman Sees in A Mental Hospital

    John Tan: Supernatural is true. But it is a complex issues and must be in line with science. Overclaiming is the problem. Shamanism is one area I am always studying...but always involved in plants having psychedelic content in an extreme way. I prefer yoga and meditation. Oneness experience is a daily activity to me and intensity is there due to yoga and meditation. However to involve and control, visualization and concentration is key. Non-dual is doing away with the boundaries that are artificially created by the dualistic paradigm...but to invoke and control consciousness, you need to master concentration and visualization. Modern practitioners are not strong in this area due to lack of discipline and perseverance. So seldom we see results...making claims without right and genuine knowledge is unwise and unhelpful. Interesting article but I no more see consciousness as an entity.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Yeah dharma dan say he could visualise colours get into jhana and put out a flame via his intention and other siddhis like remember past life.

    John Tan: Concentration is a mental skill just like exercises...yogic Siddhis cannot be accomplished without mastering concentration. In almost all energy practices, this skill is required.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: But I am not into that, I prefer clarity over concentration for now...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: I believe intensity of luminous clarity can also alter the energetic frequencies or vibrations but may not be the right approach as compared to concentration and visualization which is much more rich and elaborate in this area.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: For you now you are still young. Focus on your body and health and improve your clarity. Your new house has a place for yourself where you can have a quality time to get in touch with your bodily sensations in an intimate way....not just going through the steps but get in touch ...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. [images omitted]

    John Tan: Imo what Khenpo Tsulstrim Gyamtso can led one to the experience of non-dual and anatta but not addressing the nature of mind/phenomena as empty and non-arising.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Actually when you practice yoga, if you got the hui gen (root of wisdom)...you will realise the purpose of the asanas to prepare the body to fully open up itself. It is quite ironical coz you practice to be natural, tender and flexible...but if you practice, you will realise. The body is tense, rigid and it can't relax and open up itself...it is similar to a mind full of proliferated views and dualistic tendencies going through the 7 phases of insights to open up.


    Yin Ling: Soh Wei Yu wow, is John Tan trying to convey “things arises because of its conditions” here and we can’t really see or understand all conditions? Life is getting more mystical 😂 And thanks!

    Soh Wei Yu: Yin Ling, seeing through inherent existence and penetrate into total exertion... this are very crucial insights in AtR... such that when you see X it is not just X as a discrete separate element but rather the total exertion of X.... like the success story but really in everything. like touching this table is the total exertion of whole body-mind-universe even into the ancient past along with all the trees and woodcutter and all the conditions that gave rise to this moment.

    On the secrets of becoming rich:


    Conversation — 28 February 2015

    John Tan: Now you cannot understand the broader view by doing logical analysis...it is a way of life and how embrace that view and understanding. Let's say your mum always strike 4d, you didn't...you explain by merit. You help others and suddenly there is a break-through, an opening of your dharma eye... What is that link? Is it really because of merit? The rich, great and powerful very often believe in feng shui...is it true?

    Soh Wei Yu: Maybe that is part of the conditions?

    John Tan: Some did so badly in business but instead of looking into business, they were advice to do charity and their business recover like the case of Liao Fan...

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. Interesting.

    John Tan: So you must understand some will say superstitious but some have embrace it as part of their life in understanding thing. So how are you to understand this?

    Soh Wei Yu: [Laughs]

    John Tan: You can't and never will but if you go through life, you will understand. If you practice you will also understand.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: For example I told you to be thankful that you have a healthy body, 2 hands and 2 legs...good family...etc...to me that is a great merit done in your past life.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: You must treasure it but for others they might say why habour such a superstitious view...so it depends on the path you choose. Then you go through life...slowly taste it and understand it. Embracing dependent arising is not just understanding intellectually ... To me it includes all these.

    Many say that I am very successful and intelligent and so many rich multi-millions asked me for financial advices... But deep in my heart I know my success has very little to do with that — my intelligence and hardwork...though they are definitely factors that contribute to my success, it is not the main cause...rather I see it as my merit.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: Now if you asked me why, I can give you many reasons that can cause me failure in my business career...I never know why I become successful (hopefully it continues)...though I plan and work really hard...I know it is never due to that for I am aware of the factors that can cause my failures are so vast and beyond control....but I am aware of certain merits in the workings...precisely why I feel that I do not know... Now if you do small jobs it is within control but when your deals are bigger, you can't possibly control.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see. So you feel that you became successful because you did charity?

    John Tan: Just like the deal your dad is doing now, he can only tell you he works damn hard for it but he has absolutely no control at all....there are so many factors including political situation in Malaysia.

    Soh Wei Yu: I see.

    John Tan: No...maybe my past life merits.

    Soh Wei Yu: [Laughs]

    John Tan: So in addition to "logic" and "analysis", you must also learn not to be bounded by them...they are just tools to help you orientate yourself in this world...you must go beyond them. The entire universe and us is one great intimacy, only an unbounded mind can appreciate this intimacy.


    Conversation — 6 December 2021

    Soh Wei Yu: X person got X. [images omitted]

    John Tan: What do you understand from that? You remember what I told you?

    Soh Wei Yu: Told me about what?

    John Tan: About very successful people doing charity and Liao Fan Si Xun (The Four Lessons of Liao Fan).

    Soh Wei Yu: Oh yes... I have been telling donate to monks, etc. in fact just two days ago X ... donated to Thich Nhat Hanh sangha.

    Soh Wei Yu: Btw what did you say again? Was many years ago right?

    John Tan: Yes.

    Soh Wei Yu: I also had intuition that X [will happen quickly] because i've been asking X make merits. Think I had this intuition one week ago during meditation.

    John Tan: Don't want to repeat as it promote graspings.


    Nafis Rahman:

    So why did you suggest I pray to Tara?

    Malcolm:

    "Very simply put, taking refuge in sublime beings such as Buddhas and tenth stage bodhisattvas is meritorious because they are pure, uncontaminated and free of all afflictions. This alone eliminates traces of obscuration."

    "I recommend Tara practice regularly. I also practice Tara from time to time."

    "Tara, as a deity, is just a name for our own state. As ChNN puts it, "Tara is the state of Dzogchen."

    "But generally, if you want mundane siddhis, then you need to practice some creation stage practice, like Tara, Kilaya, Amitayus, etc. depending on one needs."

    Malcolm also said in 2017:

    "The Buddha has said very clearly, one cannot wash away misdeeds, he cannot remove suffering with his hand, he cannot give one liberation, but he can teach.

    So then, what is the use of praying to Buddhas and bodhisattvas, apart from accumulating merit? "

    "But they really cannot do anything to help sentient beings. If they could, they would act without bias for all sentient beings, without respect to their beliefs or merit, and we would not be living in such trying conditions.

    All they can do is teach. That is all Buddhas and bodhisattvas can really do to help sentient beings. It is well known that when one does wealth practice for example, one is using up ones own merit of wealth in the process unless one very carefully dedicates one's practice to make the merit of practice inexhaustible.

    I am afraid I find your view very theistic, it seems to me you think of Tāra the same way Catholics think of saints."

    "You missed the point of that example. Shabkar, for example, uses it to point out that strong traces in other people's minds can generate perceptions in our own minds.

    As to your second statement, this merely proves my point. Buddhas are powerless to help sentient beings in any kind of material way. What Buddhas can do is teach the Dharma. That is all they need to do."

    Soh Wei Yu:

    But just for lols I want to mention that after Aditya Prasad told me to try 'law of attraction' type visualising, I tried it immediately and visualised that I already have X amount of money that will suddenly manifest in my life within this very month. Then only about 3 days later, due to receiving an email I discovered I have cryptocurrencies I totally forgotten hidden in an exchange. Funny part: Almost exactly same amount.

    Damn, I should have wished for $1 billion to manifest. Let me get to it.

    Just kidding about the last part though. I do not want to promote kleshas or exhaust my merits 🙂

    “If you are attached to this life, you are not a true spiritual practitioner.

    If you are attached to samsara, you do not have renunciation.

    If you are attached to your own self-interest, you have no bodhichitta.

    If there is grasping, you do not have the View.”

    Also Nafis posted something I wrote about a miracle I experienced related to Green Tara. If you've read my post carefully you'll understand it is completely non contradictory.

    Earlier i mentioned about a sutta where buddha spoke about intention joined with good karma results in wish fulfilled in next life. I cant remember was it this sutta, there could be another one:

    Sick (Citta the Householder’s Last Hours)

    Gilāna Sutta (SN 41:10)

    On that occasion Citta the householder was diseased, in pain, severely ill. Then a large number of garden deities, forest deities, tree deities, and deities inhabiting herbs, grasses, & forest giants assembled and said to him: “Make a wish, householder: ‘In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!’”

    When this was said, Citta the householder said to the garden deities, forest deities, tree deities, and deities inhabiting herbs, grasses, & forest giants: “Even that is inconstant; even that is impermanent; one must abandon even that when one passes on.”

    [...]

    “But what compelling reason do those garden deities, forest deities, tree deities, and deities inhabiting herbs, grasses, & forest giants see, master, that they say to you, ‘Make a wish, householder: “In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!”’?”

    “It occurs to them: ‘This Citta the householder is virtuous, of admirable character. If he should wish: “In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!”—then, as he is virtuous, this wish of his would succeed because of the purity of his virtue. A righteous one, he will wield righteous power.’1 Seeing this compelling reason, they assembled and said: ‘Make a wish, householder: “In the future, may I become a king, a wheel-turning monarch!”’ And I said to them: ‘Even that is inconstant; even that is impermanent; one must abandon even that when one passes on.’”

    Found the other one:

    Middle Discourses 120

    Rebirth by Choice

    So I have heard. At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery. There the Buddha addressed the mendicants, “Mendicants!”

    “Venerable sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

    “I shall teach you rebirth by choice. Listen and pay close attention, I will speak.”

    “Yes, sir,” they replied. The Buddha said this:

    “Take a mendicant who has faith, ethics, learning, generosity, and wisdom. They think: ‘If only, when my body breaks up, after death, I would be reborn in the company of well-to-do aristocrats!’ They settle on that thought, stabilize it and develop it. Those choices and meditations of theirs, developed and cultivated like this, lead to rebirth there. This is the path and the practice that leads to rebirth there.

    [...]

    Furthermore, take a mendicant who has faith, ethics, learning, generosity, and wisdom. They think: ‘If only I might realize the undefiled freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom in this very life, and live having realized it with my own insight due to the ending of defilements.’ They realize the undefiled freedom of heart and freedom by wisdom in this very life. And they live having realized it with their own insight due to the ending of defilements. And, mendicants, that mendicant is not reborn anywhere.”

    That is what the Buddha said. Satisfied, the mendicants were happy with what the Buddha said.

    Brian Murphy:

    My experience is similar to Nafis.

    Intention is at the heart of karma. Intention can manifest into experience with or without action. Recognizing “I am not my body,” one can use intention to cause things beyond the reach of one’s body. This is the basis of manifestation.

    As Ajahn Chah once said, there are benefits to such practices, but they are like the benefits of alcohol - first, you drink for the benefits, then you get drunk.

    It takes more advancement to learn the wisdom necessary to manage the power than it takes to learn to use the power. So, I suggest treading carefully.

    Albert Hong:

    I'll give you a simple answer. everything is produced by causal conditions. there is no moral implications. except virtuous energy or merit is the casual condition for favorable conditions. favorable conditions depend upon one's karmic vision, which also includes acceptance and rejection.

    anyways a lot of the karmic links have been laid down in the teachings. they at first seem very non-intuitive and somewhat makes no sense. but that is because we haven't ourselves seen the links and relationships between them.

    and a lot of the practices in dharma have such relationships mingled in.

    for instance the releasing of fish into the sea. which is the freeing of life or giving of life so to speak has the causal benefit of extending one's life. So if one finds oneself sickly and always on the edge of dying, then one would actively seek to create impressions that cultivate life, etc.

    if one wants wealth. in the broad sense. of good foods, good friends, good land, money, etc. then one would cultivate generosity. but there are other causal methods available. for instance one could also connect to Jambhala and learn to resonate at that frequency. Then one is wealth. To be wealth is much different than having wealth.

    But anyways that's my short answer. Dharma is about studying causality to the max. So that we can lead virtuous, full lives. All for the benefit of all sentient beings and the development of wisdom.

    There in the end is no greater merit.

    Soh Wei Yu: Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta: The Shorter Analysis of Action

Soh

Updated Compilation of Yuan Yin Lao Ren's Teachings Now Available

Hello everyone,

I'm pleased to share that I've updated the comprehensive compilation of Elder Yuan Yin (元音老人)’s translated teachings.

The original compilation was posted in January 2025. The new version, dated 28 December 2025, includes a number of corrections throughout the document. After further review, I've refined several sections to improve the accuracy and fidelity of the translations. The goal, as always, is to provide a text that is as faithful as possible to the master's profound original words.

My sincere hope is that this more polished and accurate compilation will be an even greater benefit to your study and practice.

Thank you for your continued interest in this precious Dharma. You can find the updated document at the same link as before.

With metta,

Soh


 

Here is a link to my compilation: 

Latest update: 28 December 2025

PDF Format: https://files.awakeningtoreality.com/A%20Compilation%20of%20Yuan%20Yin%20Lao%20Ren%20-%2028%20December%202025.pdf

Word Document Format: https://files.awakeningtoreality.com/A%20Compilation%20of%20Yuan%20Yin%20Lao%20Ren%20-%2028%20December%202025.docx

Scroll down to read the instructions on how to let your phone or computer read the PDF to speech for you.


Translator’s Note

Over the past two years, I have compiled and translated portions of Yuanyin Laoren’s (元音老人) teachings from Chinese into English. My interest was reignited by a dream in which I encountered him—a deeply inspiring experience that stirred my resolve to practice. Exploring his writings anew, I found a clear realization of insubstantial nonduality (anattā and emptiness). On the day before I printed a selection to share with Dharma friends in Singapore, I dreamt again of him bestowing blessings. I regard this as an auspicious sign and hope this compilation will be of benefit to interested practitioners.


Soh asked ChatGPT 5 Thinking: “How many students did yuan yin had worldwide? If no official numbers, estimate “


ChatGPT replied: “Short answer: there’s no official registry, but multiple independent Chinese sources (bios, book prefaces, reposted memorials) consistently say “受法人数达数万”—i.e., tens of thousandsreceived Dharma/initiations from Yuanyin over roughly a decade, spread across China, the U.S., Germany, France, Canada, and Japan.  


A careful estimate (what “数万” likely means)

In Chinese usage, 数万 generally implies ≥20,000 and <100,000, typically read as 20–60k in biographical prose. Multiple pages repeat the same line about “近十年…受法人數達數萬…遍及…多國,” with wording stable across book mirrors and biographies.  

Cross-check: Yuanyin is documented giving teachings both in mainland China and abroad (e.g., a talk at Faguang Temple in the U.S.), matching the “multi-country” claim.  


My best range

Direct recipients (受法/灌顶)~20,000–60,000 total, most likely around 30–40k over ~10–12 years. This aligns with the repeated “数万” phrasing and the fact that he taught across many cities plus some overseas events, without any source claiming “hundreds of thousands.”  


What this does not count

Posthumous transmissions by later teachers and the much larger readership of his books are outside this estimate. The “数万” references point to people who received the Dharma from the ācārya himself.  


If you’d like, I can tabulate each source line-by-line (site, date captured, exact wording), but the headline answer is: tens of thousands worldwide, with a reasonable working estimate of ~30–40k direct recipients.”



The following is ChatGPT's summary of Yuan Yin Lao Ren's teachings: 


Detailed Contents and Summary of Yuan Yin Lao Ren’s Teachings

1. Biography of Yuan Yin Lao Ren

  • Personal Background:

    • Born on November 23, 1905, in Hefei, Anhui Province, with the secular name Li Zhongding.
    • Entered Shanghai Hujiang University in 1923 to pursue studies and began engaging with Buddhism.
    • Became the third patriarch of the Wu Xiang Mi Xin Zhong Xin Dharma lineage in 1958.
    • Passed away on February 5, 2000, while meditating.
  • Significant Life Events:

    • Early interest in Confucian teachings and later Buddhist philosophy.
    • Faced challenges during the Cultural Revolution, enduring isolation and investigation for his Dharma propagation.

2. Experience in Learning Buddhism

  • Early Dharma Studies:

    • Studied under various masters, including Tiantai teachings with Master Xing Ci and Consciousness-Only doctrine with lay practitioner Fan Gu Nong.
    • Achieved profound realization while practicing under Wang Xiang Lu, the second patriarch of the Wu Xiang Mi Xin Zhong Xin Dharma.
  • Meditative Insights:

    • Documented his realizations, including moments of losing body awareness, luminous clarity, and profound stillness.
    • Gained deeper experiences through structured practices such as the six mudras.

3. Passing Away While Meditating

  • Final Moments:

    • Demonstrated mastery over life and death by passing peacefully during meditation.
    • Yuan Yin Lao Ren’s passing was accompanied by the production of numerous sariras (relics), a testament to his spiritual attainment and the reverence he inspired among his followers.
    • Miracles observed during cremation included:
      • A green lotus appearing above the gathering.
      • Three beams of golden light enveloping the attendees.
      • Auspicious clouds and radiant halos seen in the sky.
  • Legacy:

    • His passing left a profound spiritual impact, with followers vowing to deepen their practice in gratitude.

4. Published Works

  • Key Books by Yuan Yin Lao Ren:

    • Essentials of Buddhist Practice and Verification (Two-Volume Set) (2011)
    • Unleashing Great Wisdom (2009)
    • Brief Discussion on Understanding Mind and Seeing Nature (2004)
    • Exposing the Hidden Meanings of the Heart Sutra (2015)
  • Additional Publications:

    • Contributions to Buddhist magazines since 1978.

5. Great Achievements

  • Global Influence:

    • Taught tens of thousands of disciples across China and internationally (USA, Germany, France, Japan).
    • His methods led many to attain realizations, including rebirth in Pure Land and insights into mind-nature.
  • Miracles and Legacy:

    • Emphasized accessible practices integrating Pure Land, Zen, and Esoteric Buddhism.
    • Gained widespread recognition as a genuine spiritual teacher with miraculous occurrences associated with his life and death.

6. Written Works

  • Additional Notable Titles:

    • Ripples in the Sea of Zen
    • Q&A on Essentials of Buddhist Practice and Verification
    • Interpretation of the Teaching of Intermediate State of Existence
    • Brief Explanation of the Great Seal of the Ganges (Ganges Mahamudra)
    • Direct Explanation of the Shurangama Sutra (lost manuscript)
  • Teaching Emphasis:

    • Yuan Yin’s methods emphasize integrating wisdom (Prajna), esoteric techniques, and Pure Land practices.

7. Evaluations by Notable Figures

  • Endorsements:
    • Zhao Puchu (National Committee Vice Chairman) inscribed his works.
    • Elder Ben Huan praised him for his Vimalakirti-like teaching approach.
    • Elder Jing Hui and other prominent figures acknowledged his profound impact on Buddhist philosophy and practice.

Ganges Mahamudra Teachings

  • Yuan Yin Lao Ren transmitted Ganges Mahamudra, a profound esoteric teaching rooted in realization and practice.
  • This teaching integrates meditative insight into the nature of mind, emphasizing direct experience over conceptual understanding.
  • His mastery of this method showcased his ability to guide disciples through structured and transformative Dharma practices.

Other Articles Mentioned

  • Contributions to Buddhist magazines and journals since the late 1970s, focusing on practical and philosophical aspects of Buddhism.


Update, 16th January 2025:


I've made some minor updates and retranslated a significant portion of the text because ChatGPT either failed to translate certain sections or omitted crucial content. 

Readers are encouraged to download the updated PDF using the provided link. 

For instance, I retranslated this section, which details the origins of the lineage:

China’s Indigenous Esoteric Method: The Heart-Center Dharma

The Heart-Center Dharma is neither learned from Japan nor Tibet; it belongs neither to Tō-Mi nor to Tibetan Vajrayāna. It is a native Chinese esoteric method from the Tang. Since no one transmitted it for ages, even my teacher’s teacher did not know of it until he left home and travelled to Donglin Monastery on Mount Lu (the Pure Land patriarchal seat). There Master Huiyuan established Pure Land practice. There are two samādhisBuddha-mindfulness samādhi and Pratyutpanna Samādhi. The former is easier: cross-legged, forming the dharmadhātu concentration mudrā, reciting “Amitābha,” one attains Buddha-mindfulness samādhi. The Pratyutpanna is difficult: one walks continuously in a room—no sitting, no lying. When matured, the Buddha appears before you to lay a hand on your crown.

My teacher’s teacher made a great vow to choose the harder path. He walked night and day without sleep; the body could hardly bear it; his legs swelled until he could not walk, yet having vowed, he did not stop—he crawled on the floor; when his palms swelled and crawling failed, he rolled. After such suffering and training, mind died through and great samādhi opened; in samādhi Samantabhadra appeared, placed a hand on his crown, and said: “In this degenerate age, to undertake such austerity is rare and precious; yet within the esoteric corpus there is a Heart-Center method by which you may rely on Buddha-power—no need to suffer so. Cultivate the Heart-Center Dharma; with blessings, you gain twice the result with half the effort. Practise it well; when accomplished, descend the mountain and transmit it widely.”

Today in Japan and Tibet there is also such a method, but it is not easily transmitted. Often after decades of cultivation, it is given. The Tibetan master Nona Rinpoche came to Shanghai and transmitted it to only one person. Others asked; he said: “You lack the qualification; this is signless esotericism—upon first entry one sees nature; this is not easy. You should cultivate generation stage first—winds, channels, bindu.” In Japan likewise it is not lightly given. A Taiwanese novice studied six years at Mount Kōya; he saw the Heart-Center manual and begged for transmission. The teacher said, “You are still a junior; when you attain the rank of ācārya, I will transmit it.” He asked, “Even after six years I cannot learn it?” Denied, he went to Tibet; except for the Red school, other sects had no Heart-Center Dharma. A Red teacher said, “You may learn it—after ten more years. First learn other tantric methods.” Hence Tibet and Japan possess it but do not lightly transmit it; it belongs to the heart-essence of esotericism. Therefore Samantabhadra told my teacher’s teacher: “Cultivate it well, then transmit it broadly to supplement the deficiencies of Chan and Pure Land.” He cultivated eight years on the mountain and then descended to propagate it.

When he prepared to transmit, people were unfamiliar with “Heart-Center Dharma”; none wished to study. He therefore displayed a bit of spiritual power to attract attention. The Dharma is upright; one should not traffic in powers. For this he was criticized by Masters Taixu and Yinguang, who said demonstrations aid “ghost-and-spirit cults” and do not promote the light of Dharma. He replied, “I, too, would prefer not to show powers; but transmission is difficult in China since esotericism has been cut off so long!”

To cultivate the Heart-Center Dharma, one must first arouse ten vows and practices; only then is one qualified. When these are fulfilled, the method accords.

     
  1. Trust in all      Buddhas; doubt no Dharma. Regard      the pure Sagha as your      teachers.
  2.  
  3. Keep the      precepts intact; the      mind steadily concentrated; understand all dharmas as empty—equal,      without attachment.
  4.  
  5. Be      compassionate to beings; uphold non-killing; regard all beings as oneself; do not      bear to eat their flesh.
  6.  
  7. When people      ask, give impartially; be gentle and humble; let no arrogance      arise.
  8.  
  9. Do not      betray your fundamental vows; always benefit self and others; do not self-praise or fault      others.
  10.  
  11. Rich or      poor, noble or base— their nature is      non-dual; let the mouth be soft and pleasing, generating joy; keep the      mind upright, far from flattery; accord with human feelings and skillfully      turn conventional truth.
  12.  
  13. Revere the      Buddha’s teachings; embody and practice them; protect the      Dharma as your life; rescue beings without seeking      reward; do not retreat even when beings are proud and rude.
  14.  
  15. Do not      belittle the true Dharma, nor let others belittle it. Do not slander the Three Jewels, nor      let others slander them. When there is belittling, skillfully clarify so      that faith arises and none fall into wrong nets.
  16.  
  17. Guard right      mindfulness; do not      do wrong in secret. Be steadfast in superior practice, unwearied in toil.      Make vast vows; collect the mind without retreat; ever abide      in the Mahāyāna and shatter wrong views.
  18.  
  19. Whatever method      you cultivate, recite and seal each completely. Keep the pure      secret mudrās from being tainted. Practise for      self-benefit and the benefit of others, not for fame or gain.

The Heart-Center Dharma belongs to the uppermost teachings within the inner secret three vehicles—the pinnacle consonant with the Great Perfection of the Red school. You may wonder: if Great Perfection is the Nyingma’s highest teaching, how can the Heart-Center—which is not Nyingma—accord with it? Explanation: Great Perfection has two aspects: Trekchö (“direct cutting”), where thoughts are cut the moment they arise so the mind-ground appears; and Tögal (“leap-over”), whereby one leaps beyond the three realms and brings birth-and-death to an end. The Heart-Center Dharma cultivates precisely direct cutting and leap-over; as signless esotericism, with one mantra and six mudrās, one directly sees nature without relying on transitional appearances. With appearance-based methods one must first cultivate appearances and then empty them to see nature—many detours. This method cuts directly.

Our nature is signless (without marks)—nothing to see, touch, or smell. Thus people do not know how to enter. Tibetan Vajrayāna, to give a handhold, takes many detours: the four preliminaries and so on; then, in Great Perfection Trekchö one still begins with winds-channels-bindu—three channels and seven wheels—establishing the image and then emptying it; these are the preliminaries of Trekchö. We, with six mudrās and one mantrado not visualize channels; we focus the deluded mind on the mantra so that mind recites and the ear hears—the mind recites, the ear clearly hears the sound one recites; in this way one seizes the wandering sixth consciousness, so that discursive thought does not arise, and right then one can enter samādhi. This is the Ear-Faculty Perfect Penetration of Avalokiteśvara. Among the six faculties of beings in the Saha world, the ear faculty is the most sensitive. For example, the eyes can see many things and see very far, but put a single sheet of paper in front of them and they see nothing; the ears are not like that—sounds can still be heard even across a great mountain. Again, when someone is asleep, if you hold up a sheet of paper for him to see he still won’t wake, but if you call out, he wakes at once. Therefore the ear faculty is the most sensitive; using the ear faculty in cultivation is best.

The Śūraṅgama Sūtra explains this very clearly. Twenty-five great bodhisattvas each described their method of practice; Avalokiteśvara spoke of entering through the ear faculty. In the end the Buddha asked Mañjuśrī to choose which single faculty is most fitting and swift for beings of the Saha world, and Mañjuśrī chose Avalokiteśvara’s ear-faculty gateway. Because the ear faculty is so keen, we now use the ear to listen to the sound of our own mantra-recitation, seize the mind-root, and make the sixth consciousness cease its stirring. Practising in this way is even more direct, more “cutting on the spot,” than Great Perfection.


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Mr C wrote:

"One of the controversy is that yuanyin laoren not recognized in the tibetan Buddhism"

Soh replied:

As Yuan Yin Lao Ren is the third generation lineage holder of a Chinese esoteric Buddhist lineage, he did not require any recognitions from Tibetan teachers.

However, the biography states: “In only a little over a decade, those who received the Dharma from the Acarya numbered in the tens of thousands, spread throughout China and in the United States, Germany, France, Canada, Japan, and other countries. Among them there were indeed some with accomplishment in practice; those who clarified mind and saw their nature were extremely numerous; those reborn in the Pure Land, or already fully qualified for rebirth, were beyond counting. Hence many Han Chinese who went to Tibet to seek teachings from great lamas were told by those lamas that Elder Yuanyin in Han China was a truly accomplished great spiritual friend; thus many who returned from Tibet drew close to the Acarya.”

...

”1. “No single authority” in Tibetan Buddhism. Recognition is lineage-specific (Kagyu, Nyingma, Gelug, Sakya), not a Vatican-style verdict. So “not recognized by Tibetan Buddhism” is a category mistake unless they name a lineage and statement. (Basic background on Tibetan Buddhism’s plural structure.)  
2. Documented esteem among major Chinese elders. For rebuttal, cite Ven. Benhuan and Ven. Jinghui’s recorded praises of Yuanyin’s teaching and conduct (videos and transcripts exist).  
3. Positive Tibetan commentary on the practice (Heart-of-Mind / Xinxinzhongfa). There are public talk snippets attributed to Khenpo Sodargye saying the “Heart-of-Mind” approach is good”

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Who’s Transmitting Xin Zhong Xin (心中心) Today — Confirmed vs. Claimed Listings

Context & scope. Below is a comprehensive roll-up of teachers/centers currently associated with transmitting Xin Zhong Xin (aka 心中心密 / 佛心中心印). I include: (1) those explicitly described in biographies or notices as having “代师灌顶资格 / designated to confer empowerment on behalf of the late Master Yuanyin”; (2) those listed by hubs/aggregators as people you can approach for 灌顶 / transmission; (3) centers commonly cited as active venues; plus notes on legitimacy signals, reported debates/controversies, what people say, and addresses/contacts where previously available.

My personal note: I have only read a few articles and teachings by Ven. Dazhao collected here: https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/search/label/Ven.%20Da%20Zhao. I feel these writings are not bad and that Ven. Dazhao seems to have certain insights based on his writing. I have not personally researched and read up on the other teachers. That said, everyone should vet all teachers themselves (see “How to Vet” at the end).


A) Described as “designated to confer (代师灌顶/代为传法)”

These are the strongest phrasings appearing in biographies and event notices—i.e., explicit delegation language (not just “can confer”). Note: In the absence of primary delegation documents, these are categorized as "Reported/Claimed" in the summary table.

1) Ven. Dazhao(达照法师)

  • Role/claim: Multiple independent biographies and the Taiwan 心中心道场 site state he obtained 代师灌顶资格 in 1999 and began conveying empowerment on behalf of Yuanyin.

  • Public record: Talks titled “达照法师谈心中心法”; videos of 心中心打七 retreats circulate; he acknowledges Yuanyin as root teacher and has written memorial pieces.

  • Listed by hubs: Appears on aggregator pages of transmitters (informal but corroborating).

  • Debates: The broader post-Yuanyin succession debate (see section “Wording matters”)—no teacher-specific misconduct reported in the sources referenced earlier.

  • Address/contact: Not previously provided in the sources we cited; activities appear across venues (retreats, lecture circuits).

2) Chen Ning(陈宁老师 / 上悟下宗法师;广东博罗·元音古寺)

  • Role/claim: Some event writeups and community posts describe him as “disciple designated by Yuanyin to transmit/confer empowerment (代为传法灌顶/代师弘法)”; years of 灌顶法会 and public teachings documented.

  • Status: Historical note: played a major role at 广东元音古寺; 示寂于 2018-08-21(山东元音寺).

  • Debates: As above—system-level succession questions; not specific misconduct in the cited materials.

  • Address/contact: Guangdong 博罗(Boluo)元音古寺 (historical association; no direct registration details previously provided in our sources).


B) “Can confer empowerment / recommended to approach for 灌顶” (hub/aggregator listings)

These are practical referrals by well-known sites (e.g., Dharmazen or Taiwan “心中心道场”); helpful, but third-party:

3) Ven. Wude(悟德法师;浙江德清·高峰禅寺)

  • Role/claim: Dharmazen Q&A: “在大陆可找悟德法师灌顶”;listed among PRC monastics conferring Xin Zhong Xin.

  • Venue: 高峰禅寺(德清、双髻山/高峰村一带;距离德清城区约10km)。

  • Legitimacy signals: Historic temple with public footprint; independent write-ups of temple history/location.

  • Debates: Same post-lineage authorization questions; no specific misconduct found in the previously cited sources.

4) Ven. Cheng-yi? / “乘一” / Changji Dengjue(常济登觉)

  • Role/claim: Named in Dharmazen overviews as a PRC monastic who can confer 心中心.

  • Note: Naming varies across pages (乘一 / 常济登觉); treat as third-party listing and verify locally before travel.

  • Address/contact: Not provided in prior sources.

5) Qi Zhijun(齐志军,居士)

  • Role/claim: Listed by Dharmazen among lay transmitters who confer the practice.

  • Address/contact: Not provided in prior sources; verify case-by-case.


C) Commonly cited active teachers/centers (with concrete venue details where available)

6) Li Changji(李长吉;山东·元音寺)

  • Venue: 山东省济南市章丘区圣井镇危山·元音寺;客堂电话 0531-83696130;网站显示互联网宗教信息服务许可证 鲁(2022)0000171 (Note: License number not independently verified on official site footer/loading page).

  • Role/activity: Leads 心中心 practice at 元音寺; community posts describe twice-monthly 灌顶日 (Schedule is tentative/verify on official notices).

  • Legitimacy signals: Official temple site with ICP info;stable program postings。

  • Debates: General lineage authority disputes; blog-level “designated by the 3rd patriarch” claims exist—treat as anecdotal unless primary docs are shown.

  • Community chatter: Travel/temple pages reflect regular visitors; narratives mention strict sitting expectations before 灌顶.

7) Shen Hong(沈洪;江苏南通·福田禅寺 / “心灯禅修营”)

  • Venue: 南通福田禅寺(行政门户列有寺院资料;地图常见崇川区·集美路/庶溪路一带);活动亦在其它场地举办。

  • Role/activity: Regular Q&A/teaching on 心中心;多次搜狐转载开示;台湾“心中心道场”站点把他列为灌顶/教学联系人之一。

  • Teaching requirements(其公开说明):前三三”流程——三皈依六字明修满约三个月/百座《乙亥讲演录》通读三遍等。

  • Legitimacy signals: 地方宗教事务门户确认寺院合法性;台湾站点公开推荐。

  • Debates:  doctrinal pushback(例如某些说法被他宗视作“跳过菩萨/金刚次第”);总体仍属法脉权威之争

  • Community chatter: 学员交流帖多,语气恭敬;未见主流新闻层面的丑闻于此前来源。

8) Ven. Wuben(悟本法师;台湾高雄·佛心禪寺 / Dharmazen.org)

  • Venue(两处数据库条目):

    • 甲仙(Jiasian):847 高雄市甲仙区关山里关东巷2号(电话 07-675-3963

    • 六龟(Liugui):高雄市六龟区中兴里尾庄107-20号(电话 07-689-2433

  • Role/activity: 运营 Dharmazen 网站,定期公告心中心灌顶 & 三个月共修;发布传承立场声明。

  • Legitimacy signals: 登记在台湾寺院名录/协会;多年公开活动与文章。

  • Stated stance(其文自述): “元音老人并未亲立法嗣”,其弘传属“有道自弘、利生为念”。——此为自我陈述,在部分圈子里引发保留/审慎态度。

  • Community chatter: 网站系统化、内容详尽;无主流媒体丑闻见诸此前来源。

9) Taiwan “Xin Zhong Xin Dojo / 心中心道场”(网站平台;联系汇总者)

  • Role: 信息聚合/联络窗口,并声明“遵广东元音古寺悟宗法师嘱咐:礼请山东元音寺李长吉老师南通沈洪老师灌顶传法的老师。”

  • Nature: 非官方“传承权威”;定位为协调者(活动、共修、慈善等信息)。

  • Debates: 自身无争议;总体争论仍是后续谁有权灌顶

  • Contacts: 站内提供台湾地区联系方式(电话/邮箱);作为跨岸对接窗口。


D) Other names from earlier listings (center-level or city-level roles)

10) Le Yufeng(乐玉凤;上海·心中心道场)

  • Role/claim: 上海站点自称其为**“代传师”**(deputy transmitter)。

  • Note:代传师”是场馆内部头衔,并不等同于“代师灌顶资格”。请区分措辞并自行核实

  • Address/contact: Not provided in prior sources; verify via the Shanghai center’s official pages.


E) Wording really matters(为什么要分“措辞级别”)

  • 代师灌顶资格 / 指定代为传法灌顶

    • 最强措辞(如:达照法师陈宁老师/悟宗法师)出现在正式传记/活动公告里。

  • 可灌顶 / 可向其求灌顶

    • 实用性强名单/问答(如:Dharmazen台湾心中心道场);第三方/汇总性质不等于正式委任书。

  • 代传师

    • 多为某一中心的内部称谓(如:乐玉凤在一个上海站点);与“代师灌顶资格”不同。


F) Big-picture debates you will see (recap)

  1. 后续传承权威 / 是否存在“唯一法嗣”

    • 多篇文章与实践者回忆指出:元音老人临终并未立唯一传人;而是有几位被请继续灌顶/弘法。这解释了今天多点弘传、名单各异的现状。

  2. 教义取向与修学门槛

    • 是否强调伦理与稳健修持(持戒、发愿、共修、坐禅量)而不过度宣扬神通

    • 具体门槛:如沈洪公开谈的“前三三”(三皈依六字明三个月/百座《乙亥讲演录》至少三遍),以及有些道场要求的百座/单座两小时等。

  3. 商业化与名目复杂

    • 警惕过度商业化、“快速开通五轮/神通立得”类承诺;正统开示常提醒:勿贪神通先立大愿与十种行愿、以定慧为本。


G) All entries consolidated in a single table (revised for verification status)

# Teacher/Center Role/Claim (Verification Status) City/Venue What They Do (per sources) Legitimacy Signals Reported Debates/Controversies Community/Notes
1 Ven. Dazhao(达照法师) Confirmed (Source): Stated in Taiwan center & bios as "obtained delegation 1999" Venues vary; retreats/lectures at multiple sites Talks “达照法师谈心中心法”;心中心打七视频流通;著文怀念元音 Listed on transmitter aggregators; long-term public teaching footprint Macro-debate: post-Yuanyin authorization; no specific misconduct in prior sources Your note: You’ve read some of his writings and feel he has certain insightshttps://www.awakeningtoreality.com/search/label/Ven.%20Da%20Zhao
2 Chen Ning(陈宁/悟宗法师) Claimed (Text): Described in event notices as designated disciple 广东博罗·元音古寺(历史) 多年灌顶法会/公开开示 长期主领元音古寺弘传 Macro-debate; 示寂 2018-08-21(山东元音寺) 历史核心人物之一
3 Ven. Wude(悟德法师) Referral (Aggregator): Listed by Dharmazen as teacher 浙江德清·高峰禅寺(双髻山/高峰村附近) 住持,带领心中心相关共修/灌顶(据列表) 历史寺院;多篇独立寺史/攻略 Macro-debate;无具体丑闻见诸此前来源 交通便利,环境清幽
4 Ven. Cheng-yi? / 乘一 / 常济登觉 Referral (Aggregator): Listed by Dharmazen 未提供 列表所载的大陆僧人传授者 仅第三方列表 名称不一;须本地核实 建议先电询/实地问讯
5 Qi Zhijun(齐志军,居士) Referral (Aggregator): Listed by Dharmazen 未提供 在家传授(据列表) 仅第三方列表 在家授法争议度较高;自行甄别 建议先听公开课/问资历
6 Li Changji(李长吉)@ 元音寺 Active Teacher / Abbot 山东济南·章丘·圣井镇·危山·元音寺;客堂 0531-83696130;宗教信息许可证: 鲁(2022)0000171 (Unverified) 领众修学;每月十五、三十 (Tentative schedule; verify) 官方寺院网站;长期法讯更新 “第三代指定”类说法以博客轶闻居多;核验为妙 提前询问修学量(百座/两小时)与报名
7 Shen Hong(沈洪)@ 南通福田禅寺 / 心灯禅修营 Active Teacher; Recommended by Taiwan site 江苏南通·福田禅寺(崇川·集美/庶溪路一带);其余活动另有场地 公开Q&A;心七等;强调“前三三”:三皈依六字明三个月/百座《乙亥讲演录》三遍 地方宗教门户有寺院登记;台湾“心中心道场”点名推荐 教义争鸣(“次第问题/速成论”);总体属法脉权威之争 学员帖多、口碑较稳;未见主流丑闻于此前来源
8 Ven. Wuben(悟本法师)@ 佛心禪寺 / Dharmazen Active Teacher; Dharmazen Operator 高雄甲仙:关山里关东巷2号(07-675-3963)高雄六龟:中兴里尾庄107-20(07-689-2433) 定期灌顶三个月共修;网站有系统课程传承立场 登记在台湾寺院名录/协会;长期公开活动 自述立场:“元音老人亲立法嗣”,故“有道自弘”;引发部分圈内审慎观感 文献齐备,利于预先研读
9 Taiwan “心中心道场”(网站平台) Aggregator / Coordinator (Referral Hub) 线上平台(台湾联络窗口) 统一发布活动/共修/慈善推荐李长吉/沈洪灌顶传法老师 角色透明:协调者而非“权威” 自身无争议;总体争论仍在“谁有权灌顶” 电话/邮箱可用于跨岸咨询对接
10 Le Yufeng(乐玉凤;上海) Internal Title: “代传师” (Deputy) 上海·心中心道场(站点自述) 城市级别的课程/共修组织者 场馆自有称谓;非“代师灌顶资格” 需与主办方核对其授权范围 适合作为入门、咨询与观课起点

H) How to Vet (checklist you can paste to your readers)

  • Ask for documentation. If someone claims “代师灌顶资格”, request the bio/temple record where this is stated.

  • Attend a public talk first. Look for balanced Dharma (戒定慧、愿行次第) rather than supernatural hype.

  • Talk to students (current & former). Ask about ethics, post-灌顶辅导共修质量是否鼓励依赖自主修学

  • Observe requirements. Solid lineages often require basic cultivation(如“前三三”:三皈依、六字明持续修持、指定经典通读;有的要求百座/单座两小时等)。

  • Transparency & cost. Check 费用时间表地点/资质是否公开明确;避免过度商业化或“速成神通”承诺。

  • Know the wording. Distinguish “代师灌顶资格”(强) vs “可灌顶/推荐求灌顶”(第三方) vs “代传师”(中心内部称谓)。


Final reminder

This list collates all details previously provided: names, roles, venues/phones/licenses, aggregator vs explicit wording, the post-Yuanyin succession debate, specific requirements (e.g., “前三三”、百座/两小时)、and my personal note that Ven. Dazhao’s writings seem insightful to me.

If you wish to practice the Xin Zhong Xin (心中心) method, you must first receive a proper transmission/empowerment (灌顶) from a qualified teacher—this is non-negotiable. Don’t equate “having a ceremony” with true suitability: vet carefully. Confirm the teacher’s authorization and temple affiliation. Clarify post-empowerment guidance and group practice support; look for ethical transparency and avoid pay-to-play hype or supernatural marketing. Resolve language gaps in advance (most teaching is in Chinese—be conversant in Mandarin or bring a trusted interpreter). When unsure, start with public talks and open writings, then decide.

Even if you don’t receive empowerment to practice the specific method, the teachings and practical advice are still broadly helpful across traditions (ethics, meditation, insight travel well). English materials are limited but do exist; most transmitters/venues post primarily in Chinese.  



Listening to PDFs on Various Devices

How to download PDFs and listen with text-to-speech (TTS).

iPhone (iOS 18+)

  1. Download & unzip: In Safari, download the ZIP. Open Files → Downloads and tap the .zip to extract.
  2. Add to Books: In Files, select the PDFs → Share → Books (may appear as “Save to Books”).
  3. Listen with Speak Screen: Settings → Accessibility → Read & Speak → Speak Screen → turn on Speak Screen (and optionally Show Controller / Highlighting). Open the PDF in Books, then two-finger swipe down from the top, press Play on the floating controller, or say “Siri, speak screen.” Adjust Voices & Speaking Rate there.

Android

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  2. Open a PDF: Use Drive PDF Viewer, Acrobat, etc.
  3. TTS options: Turn on Select to Speak in Settings → Accessibility (voices/speed under Text-to-speech output), or use an app like @Voice Aloud Reader.

Windows

  1. Open the PDF in Microsoft Edge.
  2. Click Read aloud (or press Ctrl+Shift+U).
  3. Use Voice options to change voice and speed.
Adobe Acrobat Reader: View → Read Out Loud → Activate → choose a mode; voices in Preferences → Reading.

Mac

  1. Books / Preview: Select text → Edit → Speech → Start Speaking. System-wide: Accessibility → Spoken Content → Speak selection (shortcut Option+Esc).
  2. VoiceOver: Toggle with Command+F5.
  3. Acrobat Reader: View → Read Out Loud → Activate; adjust in Preferences → Reading.
Tip: If a PDF is only scanned images, run OCR (e.g., Acrobat “Recognize Text”) so TTS can read it.