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Lately there's been some postings on non-arising (-A). Here's something on the other aspect, +A - total exertion with the car/driving analogy.
 
Thusness: (Total exertion is a) Key experience in my journey. Soto Zen emphasis is different from empty clarity but I see both are equally important.
 
The post by Jundo Cohen seems quite similar to something I wrote about a year back: https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2017/12/what-is-total-exertion.html 
 
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Partial Excerpt from Zen teacher Jundo Cohen (see full post here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/SotoZenGlobal/permalink/10156894347920692/ )

Further (and this is where I get all "Dogen" on ya ... Drivin' a Dodge Dogen on Genjo Koan Blvd.), as one sits, one may soon realize that driver and road and car and wind and sun and cow and mailbox and path ahead and present and beyond are all ONE! You drive the road as the road drives you, as the sun and silo drives the road and the driving drives driving ... the whole universe driving. Even trash and crash and coming on the on ramp of birth and leaving from the exit of death and flat tires and bumps ... all Buddha Highway. All Buddha driving Buddha, the whole trip Buddha all Along! The hard borders that separate driver and driven and drive and driving, inside the wind screen and outside ... and the wind itself ... all soften or drop away. I will slightly modify Dogen's famous passage from Shobogenzo Zenki:

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[L]ife is the manifestation of the Whole Works Driving ... There is nothing at all, not so much as one time or one phenomenon, that is not together with the Driving. Even be it a single thing, a single mind, none is not together with this Driving .. Life is like when one drives a car: though in this car one works the wheel, the shift, and the pedals, the car carries one, and one is naught without the car. Riding in the car, one even causes the car to be a car. One should learn this precise point. At this very moment, the car is the world is the road-even the sky, the blacktop, and the passing scene all have become circumstances of the car, unlike circumstances which are not the car. For this reason driving is our causing life to drive, the drive causing us to be ourselves. When driving a car, the mind and body, object and subject, are all drivings of the car; the whole earth and all of space are both drivings of the car. We that are the drive, life driving that is we, are the same way. ... That the whole road appears has nothing to do with beginning and end ...
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Though talking about those ox carts, Dogen said something like this in Zazenshin, a wonderful image of the relativity of motion and stillness, for is it the car moving or the road or is the whole world or the mind moving ... all ultimately stillness moving?

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Now, when it is said, "the car doesn't go", what does that mean by the car's "going" or the car's "not going"? For example, is the road flowing by the car's "going", or is road's not flowing the car's going? We can say that flowing is road's "not going", and it should also be that road's "going" is not its flowing. Therefore, in investigating the saying, "the car doesn't go", we should approach it both in terms of "not going" and in terms of not "not going"; for it is time. The saying, "[the car] doesn't go" is not saying simply that it does not go.
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As we sit still in Zazen, the whole world is turning. Oh, and we do not need a seatbelt on a Zafu ... and the gas tank is always full. Hit the road! :-)

Does that convey the experience a bit?

It is worth the trip. The high school driving coach can only show you so much, and your job is to actually now get out there and drive! Drive a little each day, beyond long or short distances or fast and slow time, beyond coming or going or here and there and any other destination but THIS. "Zen driving" is moving yet perfectly still. This moment of pedal to the metal is all distances and all time, here and there and everywhere.

Gassho, J
Soh
Someone wrote:



If I'm alone in the forest, or my room, I find that anatta comes more naturally. The presence of other people takes me "away" from the view of "mere luminous activities".
But I've seen through it a couple of times (which feels rather peculiar), removing the personal aspect of the appearance of another person.
Any thoughts or suggestions on this?

I wrote:

The penetration of wisdom into all activities and the three states takes practice, so you might need to give yourself some time.

As practice progress, anatta and not only anatta but maha total exertion becomes natural. There must also be a certain degree of fearlessness (for boundless opening without reservation to any given situation/encounters) and non-attachment, then let this penetrate into sleep, then even if you face "monsters" (enough to scare the shit out of ordinary people), such experiences can transform into nondual bliss and clarity as I wrote in fearless samadhi https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../fearless... , otherwise there can be a habitual self-contraction. The Tibetans describe this as not letting the appearances turn into 'enemies' or 'others' but rather recognizing all appearances to be one's empty radiance, this is important even in death and bardo.


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Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:38pm UTC+10

facing all kinds of stuff in life and yet experiencing the three characteristics of self-liberation like you said, "non-duality, non-attachment and fearlessness" is how i understand dong zhong xiu (practice amidst movement) now
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:39pm UTC+10

yes but with the direct and intuitive knowledge that there is no you facing anything, it is the entire universe facing it.
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:40pm UTC+10

it is like all the phases of ur insights actualized in this conventional world
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:41pm UTC+10

means when say talking to my children, it is neither me nor him....it is one activity
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:41pm UTC+10

like i talk to you
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:42pm UTC+10

it does not mean that soh does not exist
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:43pm UTC+10

it is just no thusness or soh, only the question on hand that makes up the situation...
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:43pm UTC+10

or when u talking to ur teacher, no teacher or student relationship...just a single activity...get it?
Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:44pm UTC+10

i see..
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:45pm UTC+10

teacher is not teacher, student not student...teacher becomes the student, the student becomes the teacher, the teacher is the teacher, the student is the student, no teacher, no student...all as one activity...
Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:46pm UTC+10

maybe thats what guru yoga is about :P
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:46pm UTC+10

i am not sure about guru yoga...lol
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:47pm UTC+10

everything interpenetrates, everything interdefines, there is no everything...
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:48pm UTC+10

when eyes are open...the spontaneous presence of scenery...no seer, no seeing, no seen...seer is the seeing is the seen...just this, the entire movement.
Soh Wei YuSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:49pm UTC+10

ic..
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:50pm UTC+10

this must be your moment to moment encounter in mundane activity
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:52pm UTC+10

deconstruct self, deconstruct physical, deconstruct external, deconstruct internal...be free from all arbitrary definitions and stories...then whatever experience is neither physical nor mental nor spiritual...just direct, non-conceptual as it is state of self arising...
John TanSunday, April 21, 2013 at 11:55pm UTC+10

be free from all arbitrary thoughts and definitions...don't let 'yourself' be troubled by all these so that this activity is unobstructed and uncontrived in clean purity...then experience will be transparent and total.



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He wrote:

  Soh Wei Yu thank you. I find John's words there particularly poignant! 🙏

This investigation of anatta with others is getting interesting... Thank you all for the input. ❤️


I wrote further:


“Birth is just like riding in a boat. You raise the sails and row with the pole. Although you row, the boat gives you a ride, and without the boat no one could ride. But you ride in the boat and your riding makes the boat what it is. Investigate such a moment.”

- Dogen


(+A)
When u cook, there is no self that cooks, only the activity of cooking. The hands moves, the utensils act, the water boils, the potatoes peels …here there is no room for simplicity or complications, the “kitchen” went beyond it’s own imputation and dissolved into the activity of cooking and the universe is fully engaged in this cooking.
(-A)
30 years of practice and 23 years of kitchen life is like a passing thought.
How heavy is this thought?
The whereabouts of this thought?
Tastes the nature of this thought.
It never truly arises.

~ Thusness