Profound Instruction on Śamatha
Soh

 

Mipham Rinpoche
Ju Mipham Namgyal Gyatso
From the murals of Shechen Monastery. Used with permission of Rabjam Rinpoche.
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Profound Instruction on Śamatha
by Jamgön Mipam Rinpoche
I prostrate to Mañjuśrī!
The Benefits of the Practice in Brief
If you focus mind [upon itself] you’ll come to achieve śamatha, and gradually insight (vipaśyanā) into the nature of things will dawn.
The Actual Instruction
Draw your ordinary awareness – that which is vividly clear, open, and brilliant – into the empty center of your heart and allow it to settle; this is what is meant by mind being turned upon itself, and within this experience there is nothing whatsoever to focus upon.
If mind exists, it should be found within the body; but it isn’t to be found, not in the heart and not anywhere else for that matter.
When thoughts run wild look toward their source and remain there with a gentle tranquility.
There is no need to search for mind; simply relax, and abide where you find yourself. Nor is there any need to investigate whether there is a ‘place’ to abide—simply abide within mind.
It is perfectly alright simply to relax as if preparing to sleep. This is the mode of resting; anything else is unnecessary.
Just as the brilliance of sunlight increases when it refracts and reflects on turbulent waters, emotions and thoughts proliferate in an agitated mind; attempting to stop thoughts simply will not work. However, when the waters are no longer agitated but settled and calm, the reflection of the light-rays will decrease. Just like that, allow the mind, which is the source, to settle calmly without mental agitation.
Don’t forget this experience, but rather use an uninterrupted flow of mindfulness and alertness to remain within the natural [empty-clear] calmness of mind – focused and fresh.
If there is an experience of blankness, relax into its natural calmness.
If there is an experience of intense clarity, relax into its natural calmness.
If there is an experience of mind going wild and giving rise to many thoughts, relax into its natural calmness.
In the naked, direct experience of whatever there is in that moment, simply relax, no matter what arises.
When these experiences of blankness, clarity and thought arise, recognize them, but don’t follow or chase after them. Simply rest within the space that is the recognition of their nature.
With familiarity this [recognition] will last longer and longer. Allow any analysis or coarse thinking to subside in its own place.
On occasion, the mind may appear dull and devoid of all movement [of thought]. Clear this drowsiness and simply rest.
At other times the mind may seem as if full of movement – giving rise to all kinds of thoughts. At such times, since the movements are none other than mind, look into its nature and relax.
Don’t try to prolong the experience that follows movement but stand your ground. Thought will naturally subside, and you’ll come to see how agitation, calmness, or even strong feelings and emotions are all on the surface of mind – relax into its depths.
Placing mind within your heart or simply letting your mind be, these are essentially the same. The key point is to relax the mind. When mindful, the knots of thought will untie in and of themselves. [Just as a snake can loosen knots in its body without relying on another, mind, when left to rest genuinely, frees itself.]
The Faults of Being Continually Under the Influence of Discursive Thought
There is no end to discursive thoughts; they won’t disappear in and of themselves. For all their multiplicity and number, they bring no real results or benefits. They can’t put an end to negative mental states or suffering.
[Should you wish to be free of suffering you must get rid of its respective causes]
To this end you must recognize the faults of discursive thought and emotion.
Since time immemorial you have been under the control of these thoughts and, as a result, have not acquired any genuine qualities.
Now, give up attachment to such thoughts and do all that you can to cultivate stillness of mind.
The Qualities That Arise from Overcoming Discursive Thought
If you can do this, you will gain many qualities, such as concentration and [uncontaminated] clairvoyance. You will gain the power to abide by the natural state and find supreme bliss.
Reasons to Apply Great Effort to The Practice
With such an understanding of the faults and benefits, and having gained a degree of control over the mind, continue to practice with unflagging diligence until you achieve calm abiding. [Where you have passed through the meditative experiences of movement, achievement, familiarity, stability, and ultimate experience and achieved the samādhi of the pinnacle of saṃsāra.]
Through familiarity with this method of meditation, the moving energy/wind of activity [which gives rise to so many thoughts] will converge at your heart and enter the central channel. Wild hard-headed thoughts will be gradually pacified and your mind will become increasingly workable and positive.
[The activity wind – movement of the subtle energy/wind within the body – will naturally come to dissolve into the central channel. The effect of this is that the rider of said energy, discursive thought, will be without its mount and will naturally dissolve into empty/awareness and you will be without thought. Discursive thought will be calmed and you will abide in the open luminosity of their absence.]
Showing How Profound and Yet Easy to Practice This Particular Method of Meditation Is
Even without other modes of introduction from the guru, these pith instructions of mind resting upon itself offer a simple way to calm the mind that has none of the dangers associated with the forceful manipulation of energy.
If you are able simply to place the mind upon itself in this way, workable concentration will be won swiftly and with little difficulty.
Here there is no need for meditation upon subtle bindus/drops in the heart, nor upon letters, nor any shape and form for that matter. Nor is there a need to manipulate the breath.
The most profound method of calm abiding is simply to view and rest in the nature of your own mind and sustain its continuity mindfully. This is easy to practice and brings fast results.
A Summary of the Points: How Calm Abiding Naturally Gives Rise to Insight
First, rest quietly and let the mind settle. Then, allow the mind to look into itself. Just as when you stare into space and there is nothing to observe, discursive and negative thoughts will naturally be liberated in and of themselves. Then the secret of mind—dharmatā, the union of [the view of Madhyamaka, the subject of the turning of the second dharma wheel] emptiness and clarity [the subject of the third turning of the dharma wheel and the subject of mantra, the Buddha Nature]—will naturally arise. And, through the blessings of the realization of a perfect qualified master, his/her lineage and your perfect devotion, an experience of the empty clarity of the great Natural State—the spontaneous, self-emergent wisdom, which is the meaning of the Luminous Great Perfection— will arise.
Written by Mipam during the third part of the sixth day of the second month in the year of the Fire Horse.
| Translated by Sean Price, 2019. The headings were added by Khen Rinpoche Yeshe Gyaltsen for the sake of clarity.
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Is Buddhism a "non-dual" tradition?
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 Someone asked, "Is Buddhism a "non-dual" tradition? Does it teach "non-duality"?"

 

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    Soh Wei Yu
    If nondual means monism (Advaita’s one without a second) where everything is reduced to one ultimate unchanging essence, source and substratum, then Buddhism does not subscribe to such an essence view but in fact refutes it.
    If however it means subject and object and all phenomena are empty and illusory and free from extremes, and there being no mind/Mind/Brahman, then in that sense yes.
    “The cognizer perceives the cognizable;
    Without the cognizable there is no cognition;
    Therefore why do you not admit
    That neither object nor subject exists [at all]?
    The mind is but a mere name;
    Apart from it's name it exists as nothing;
    So view consciousness as a mere name;
    Name too has no intrinsic nature.
    Either within or likewise without,
    Or somewhere in between the two,
    The conquerors have never found the mind;
    So the mind has the nature of an illusion.
    The distinctions of colors and shapes,
    Or that of object and subject,
    Of male, female and the neuter -
    The mind has no such fixed forms.
    In brief the Buddhas have never seen
    Nor will they ever see [such a mind];
    So how can they see it as intrinsic nature
    That which is devoid of intrinsic nature?
    "Entity" is a conceptualization;
    Absence of conceptualization is emptiness;
    Where conceptualization occurs,
    How can there be emptiness?
    The mind in terms of perceived and perceiver,
    This the Tathagatas have never seen;
    Where there is the perceived and perceiver,
    There is no enlightenment.
    Devoid of characteristics and origination,
    Devoid of substantiative reality and transcending speech,
    Space, awakening mind and enlightenment
    Posses the characteristics of non-duality.”
    - Nagarjuna
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    Also subject object dissolve or merging as a samadhi experience is just an experience, not a realization of emptiness.

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    Bodhidharma’s Doctrine of No Mind text beautifully expresses similar realization. (https://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2018/11/the-doctrine-of-no-mind-by-bodhidharma.html)

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New Age Teachings and I AM Presence
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James Bird

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I run into many people who keep talking about vibrations and raising your vibrations/frequency. And then they talk about awakening. At times they also ask about my experience and I don't have the slightest clue how to relate to them and definitely want to do it in a kind and excepting way (especially since I have no idea about it; even if it seems odd to me.)
So are there any teachers out there that are generally in line with ATR, Buddhism, or AV that also talk about this in an informative manner? Either something I can maybe spend a bit of time learning about it or could point people to see maybe they might get a sense of how that fits into something like the ATR stages?
To clarify I'm speaking about people who speak about vibrations in a way like these new-age 'teachers':

 

 

 


[12/5/19, 11:52:38 PM] John Tan: If someday u met someone that can point out to u something further either in the energy practice, samadhi, meditations...etc, u will missed the opportunities.
[12/5/19, 11:53:19 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[12/5/19, 11:54:21 PM] John Tan: In addition to seeing the limitations, u must also see the area where u can learn...not to shut things off this way.  Do not let the phases of insights blind u from seeing things.  If so it becomes counter productive.
[13/5/19, 12:00:56 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[13/5/19, 12:11:14 AM] John Tan: Also not to limit experiences by framing it into the phases strictly.  Limiting it this way is also limiting how u see and experience ur life. That is precisely the essence of consciousness empty and luminous.  Only difference is whether it is realized or simply conceptual.
[13/5/19, 12:15:15 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[13/5/19, 12:21:04 AM] John Tan: I read new age and YouTube, some r very good and enlightening.
[13/5/19, 12:21:32 AM] John Tan: I look into yoga and energy practice to understand and open my understanding.
[13/5/19, 12:22:07 AM] John Tan: There r always things to b learnt.
[13/5/19, 12:22:26 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[13/5/19, 12:25:09 AM] John Tan: Also important is to know ur limitations...know what is limiting oneself.  Like when u r watching endgame in cinema, absorbed into boundlessness, vivid open and free...y so?
[13/5/19, 12:25:39 AM] John Tan: Compare to this moment, what is the difference?
[13/5/19, 10:25:46 AM] Soh Wei Yu: Hmm.. when engaging in thought then the attention is on thought rather than boundless vivid open, but even when thinking it’s anatta I don’t feel unfree because of thinking.. thinking is not exactly problem and do lessen
[13/5/19, 10:26:06 AM] Soh Wei Yu: But when meditating then thoughts quieten and the intensity of total exertion and luminosity becomes even stronger
[13/5/19, 10:26:33 AM] Soh Wei Yu: My flu doesn’t seem to affect my anatta and total exertion but seems to feel more tired and weak sensation.. can sleep longer
[13/5/19, 10:26:47 AM] John Tan: Hm...u need to learn how to release also.  Did u do that in the past?
[13/5/19, 10:27:03 AM] John Tan: That practice is good but don't practice at night


[13/5/19, 12:52:25 PM] Soh Wei Yu: In the past I also experience calmness and bliss even when I was v young
[13/5/19, 12:52:44 PM] John Tan: I mean the exerted to a thought
[13/5/19, 12:53:35 PM] John Tan: U must discipline urself and practice yoga from yoga to complement ur practice.
[13/5/19, 12:53:40 PM] John Tan: It is imp
[13/5/19, 12:53:53 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic..
[13/5/19, 12:54:02 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Total exertion of thought maybe more recent
[13/5/19, 12:54:09 PM] John Tan: And have a balance set of asanas to open up different parts of ur body
[13/5/19, 12:54:19 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Ic..
[13/5/19, 12:54:34 PM] Soh Wei Yu: I just do the yoga sets in yoga center or sometimes YouTube..
[13/5/19, 12:54:47 PM] John Tan: It is crucial when u r young but slowly and gradually.  Don't injured urself like I do🤣🤣🤣
[13/5/19, 12:54:54 PM] Soh Wei Yu: Oic lol
[13/5/19, 12:55:27 PM] John Tan: Continue for 10 years u r only 38...ur radiance and clarity will much stronger than now.
[13/5/19, 12:55:49 PM] John Tan: U will not notice the effect for first few years. 



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2004 conversation with Sim Pern Chong (Also See: A Compilation of Simpo's Writings)

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| Session Start: Sunday, December 05, 2004                           |
| Participants:  AEN, Thusness                                             
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[11:09:54 PM] AEN: [23:05] AEN: john, from what i've
              seen so far, i'm quite certain that Longchen is a new
              age practitioner
              [23:05] AEN: u noe, new-age?
              [23:05] AEN:
              http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thre
              ad_id=105828
              [23:05] AEN: his focus is on light-body
              ascension...
              [23:05] AEN: i dont tink new-age is a religion,
              its like a cult :./
              [23:05] AEN: :/
              [23:06] AEN: and in that topic, he posted a url
              containing an article from a cult master/buddhist
              heretic
              [23:06] AEN: i tink i have to inform him and
              remove the topic
[11:11:21 PM] Thusness: yes
[11:11:42 PM] Thusness: He will walk his path.
[11:11:55 PM] AEN: in ur opinion what is his light-body
              ascension all about
[11:12:35 PM] Thusness: He has an initial glimpse of Reality.   
[11:12:46 PM] AEN: oic
[11:15:19 PM] Thusness: most founder of new age religion has
              certain experience of Reality.  However when reality
              descends and gets intepreted at the intellect level, it
              gets distorted somehow.
[11:15:38 PM] AEN: oh... u knew about the new age religion?
[11:15:49 PM] Thusness: yes.
[11:15:55 PM] AEN: u learn about it before?
[11:15:56 PM] AEN: haha
[11:16:02 PM] Thusness: nope. :)
[11:16:12 PM] Thusness: but many exchanges when I was young.
[11:16:31 PM] Thusness: more than 15 yrs back I visited most cults
              in Singapore. :)
[11:16:35 PM] AEN: ooh
[11:16:36 PM] AEN: like?
[11:17:29 PM] Thusness: Eckankar, Bahai's faith, yin-yang sect,
              I-Kuan, BK, children of God and some satanic sects..
[11:17:37 PM] Thusness: hari krisna..etc
[11:17:48 PM] AEN: wahhh
[11:17:54 PM] AEN: so many!
[11:17:58 PM] AEN: satanic? LOL
[11:18:02 PM] Thusness: :)
[11:18:29 PM] AEN: but i heard some new age cult are
              dangerous, they commit suicide cos they receive
              communications from dunnu wat.. that they are ready to
              ascend
[11:18:54 PM] Thusness: In the West it is more intense.
[11:19:05 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:19:24 PM] AEN: so,
[11:19:30 PM] Thusness: Do not belittle what he experiences.  Pure
              sense of existence is most sacred.
[11:19:30 PM] AEN: do u know whats light body ascension?
[11:19:36 PM] AEN: icic...

[11:21:18 PM] Thusness: It is difficult to develop penetrating
              insight into the different layers of consciousness.  To
              go beyond the "I AM" is rare. :)
[11:21:38 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:21:43 PM] AEN: then what is beyond the "i am"
[11:22:38 PM] AEN: "Ok, Ok all planes of existences are
              impermanent. I know. Plane of existences are created
              realm, of course they will not last forever.
              
              But your Presence is already eternal... the Presence
              exist in the eternal now. There is nowhere to go.
              Nirvana is not going anywhere, do you understand,
              brother? What we need is only to clear all the karmic
              tendencies accumulated over all the lives.
              
              When i say upper dimension having no death... I am
              refering to the fact that death is not important at that
              level. Not that that realm will last forever. "
[11:23:23 PM] Thusness: :)
[11:23:54 PM] Thusness: u r exchanging messages with him now?
[11:24:02 PM] AEN: through PM
[11:24:08 PM] AEN: recevied it quite some time ago
[11:24:17 PM] Thusness: PM?
[11:24:21 PM] AEN: private msg
[11:24:25 PM] Thusness: ic. :)
[11:25:10 PM] Thusness: It's a lonely journey.  I told u it will
              be a struggle for him.
[11:25:23 PM] AEN: icic
[11:25:42 PM] Thusness: becoz he will not easily submit himself
              now to a master. :)
[11:25:45 PM] AEN: but u noe, he has this common belief of
              new agers, they say something about year 2012
[11:26:04 PM] AEN: and then hundreds of years later ppl will
              what, go to 5th dimension?
[11:26:04 PM] AEN: lol
[11:26:36 PM] AEN: oh yes.. another thing is he communicates
              with Mother Earth, the earth's consciousness
[11:26:45 PM] Thusness: when one attempts to break the layer of
              consciousness, they will have all sort of images.
[11:26:56 PM] AEN: what layer of consciousness
[11:28:27 PM] Thusness: The True Buddha Nature is the Pure
              Presence, however when the mind attempts to grasp its
              essence after its initial experience, it creatively
              creates the "I AM".
[11:28:56 PM] AEN: oh....
[11:28:58 PM] AEN: icic..
[11:29:07 PM] Thusness: an Entity having all the properties of
              Thusness yet still stubbornly attached to the "I'.
[11:29:10 PM] AEN: then what is all sort of images about
[11:29:15 PM] AEN: wat are they
[11:30:01 PM] Thusness: It is the tricks of the monkey mind
              unwillingness to let go yet trying to recapture the Pure
              Presence experience.
[11:30:22 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:30:31 PM] Thusness: as such when it turns inwards to break
              layer by layer of it's own boundaries.
[11:30:45 PM] Thusness: it will have all hurdles to clear.
[11:31:27 PM] AEN: icic...
[11:31:31 PM] Thusness: It is too subtle to differentiate the I AM
              from Thusness. :)
[11:32:05 PM] Thusness: eliminate the I from "I AM", AMness has no
              meaning without "I".  Isness itself is sufficient. :)
[11:32:17 PM] AEN: icic....
[11:33:09 PM] Thusness: True Presence must be experienced not only
              in the ghost within.  It is in the air, the tick of the
              click..etc
[11:33:59 PM] Thusness: My short message in the forum has defined
              the path he will travel.
[11:34:19 PM] AEN: defined??
[11:34:51 PM] Thusness: anyway it will take many years. :)
[11:35:10 PM] AEN: take many years for?
[11:35:14 PM] Thusness: It will be interesting how he got his
              initial experience.
[11:35:20 PM] Thusness: to turn back.
[11:35:24 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:35:39 PM] AEN: he says he aims to attain the light body
              Ascension
[11:35:47 PM] AEN: and he says he cant do it this life, maybe
              1 more or 2 more lifetimes
[11:36:03 PM] AEN: but what is it??
[11:36:10 PM] Thusness: when did he tell u?
[11:36:16 PM] AEN: i'll copy over
[11:37:44 PM] AEN: Hi Xabir,
              
              Thanks... bro.
              
              But the messages a bit disjointed, leh...
              
              I am curious about John's understanding.
              
              Ok... I will tell you. I don't want to post this on your
              forum... because the path I am following not exactly
              very Buddhist.
[11:37:52 PM] AEN: The method as taught by my Enlightened
              teacher/friend is this....
              
              I got into a meditative state. .. Images will be shown
              to me. This images have meanings and message. My life
              will have some experiences that are related to the
              visions. The visions are transmissions from Presence.
              Presence is intelligent 'brightness', like the sun ...
[11:38:02 PM] AEN: In addition to this kind of transmission,
              the transmissions can also come at any time. If I have a
              question, the answer may come, but I must not go into
              mental thinking/analysing...but rely on relaxed
              'intuitive knowing'. Also, for very elaborate
              transmissions, they occur in my dreams. Therefore I am
              keeping a dream journal to write down the messages.
[11:38:12 PM] AEN: The experiences are not easy. One by one,
              the karmic tendencies will surface. All the karmic
              tendencies must be understood, if not they will always
              remain within the subconscious and unconscious. Some
              time, my body goes into aching as the samcara/karmic
              tendencies surface. But they will clear away and is
              often that I will stabilse at a greater awareness after
              that.
[11:38:18 PM] AEN: My undertanding now is that, there is a
              link between Presence and Mind. The link seems to be
              like this:
              
              Pure awareness>>> impulse/feeling without definition >>>
              Concepts, thoughts, langauge >>> emotions (if there is
              judging involved).
[11:38:25 PM] AEN: So to clear the karmic tendencies cleanly,
              it cannot be cleared at 'thoughts, concept' level, it
              have to be understood at 'no-thinking/impulse' level.
              
              My intuition say that I have many more years to go...
              Actually my goal is not 'final cessation'.... my goal is
              light body ascension. I will not achieve it in this life
              time, perhaps one or 2 more...
[11:38:30 PM] AEN: regards
              
              simpo
[11:41:00 PM] Thusness: can i know when he wrote this?
[11:41:28 PM] AEN:  04 December 2004
              09:13 AM
[11:42:49 PM] AEN: he's simpo from another forum
[11:43:58 PM] Thusness: hmm.....there might be a change in his
              thought pattern. :)
[11:44:05 PM] Thusness: now i mean.
[11:44:16 PM] Thusness: anyway, still not much danger so far. :)
[11:44:23 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:44:33 PM] AEN: hmm.....there might be a change in his
              thought pattern.  --> have been or yet been
[11:45:39 PM] Thusness: have been recently.
[11:46:01 PM] Thusness: from the time he wrote till now.
[11:47:07 PM] AEN: oic...
[11:47:35 PM] AEN: then
[11:48:09 PM] AEN: he wrote me another mail... well it isnt
              much about his experience he stated in the forum... but,
              wld u believe in wat he said? who is this "mother earth"
              anyway?:
[11:48:27 PM] AEN: Hi Xabir,
              
              Last week, I receive a transmission from the
              consciousness of the Earth Mother.
              
              She seems to be saying that the planet is undergoing
              physical changes now and this is only the beginning.
              Expect to see many natural disaster happening around the
              world...
              
              I will continue to send you the psychic informations if
              they are of importance.
              
              I will not post them on your forum. Also the
              transmission warns me that the psychic ability must only
              be used for important stuffs.
              
              simpo



(Comments by Soh: Sim Pern Chong had a vision back then, something related to water and ocean I think? Was a prelude to the 2004 Tsunami weeks later. 

The next time Sim Pern Chong contacted Gaia consciousness in 2020, he was informed of the apocalyptic fallout of global warming in visions, which he only understood after that meditation when the visions were very easily translated into verbal sentences.

From my notes last year after meeting Mr. Sim: "mother gaia this year gave sim pern chong a vision when he contacted her... a series of visions... a human, then racing (?), then ... finished. when out of meditation he interpreted and realised it means 'human race is finished'. he was disturbed by this message and in the coming months he contacted gaia again, it said "human must work together with nature" and two days later david attenborough released video with the exact same tagline "human must .... with nature". the previous time he contacted mother gaia in 2004, he foresaw the tsunami? he saw this covid disaster 10+ years ago, he saw in meditation that one day due to some disaster all airplanes will stop and no cars on the street."

See more:

On "Supernatural Powers" or Siddhis, and Past Lives
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[12:00:07 AM] AEN: so wat do u tink
[12:00:07 AM] AEN: haha
[12:01:43 AM] Thusness: it is not exactly nonsense. :)
[12:02:33 AM] AEN: ok then how about this... when i asked him
              what earth mother is:
[12:02:33 AM] AEN: The Earth is alive... her consciousness is
              the Earth Mother also call Gaia.
              
              If you do not know, the earth is transforming into a 5th
              dimensional world. That is why, there is so much chao
              all over the world. Accordingly, the year 2012 is a
              critical turning point. That does not mean that Earth
              will become 5th dimensional in the year 2012, but it
              means a new form of civilisation will begin then. The
              ascension to 5th dimension, I think will take hundreds
              of years.[12:04:11 AM] Thusness: u heard of Dharma Gaia?
[12:04:18 AM] AEN: nope what is that
[12:05:09 AM] Thusness: is what he said to u.
[12:05:19 AM] AEN: u mean it's actually taught by the
              buddha?
[12:05:20 AM] Thusness: ecological aspect of buddhism.
[12:05:25 AM] AEN: then is dharma gaia a person or what?
[12:05:25 AM] Thusness: nope
[12:05:31 AM] AEN: then who is it taught by
[12:06:07 AM] Thusness: but a concept of applying buddhism. in
              ecology.
[12:06:12 AM] AEN: oic
[12:06:19 AM] Thusness: The mystical part, he added. :)
[12:06:29 AM] AEN: oic
[12:06:36 AM] AEN: then how about the 5th dimension thing?
[12:07:23 AM] Thusness: some from his images from meditation, some
              from his friends. :)
[12:08:03 AM] AEN: oh.... icic
[12:08:08 AM] AEN: but is the 5th dimension true?
[12:09:39 AM] Thusness: i have no idea.
[12:10:02 AM] Thusness: I have not spoken to mother gaia. :P
[12:10:06 AM] AEN: oic
[12:10:07 AM] AEN: hahaha
[12:10:13 AM] AEN: so u tink mother gaia is a spirit?
[12:10:20 AM] Thusness: I know that his experience of Presence is
              true. :)
[12:10:29 AM] AEN: oic...
[12:10:31 AM] Thusness: it is a collective consciousness
[12:10:59 AM] AEN: collective consciousnes... can explain to
              me?
[12:11:40 AM] Thusness: cannot. :P  Confused u and not so
              important for buddhist progress.
[12:11:58 AM] AEN: oic... btw what time u sleep? am i
              bothering u? :P
[12:12:09 AM] Thusness: nope...at one.
[12:12:12 AM] AEN: icic
[12:12:13 AM] AEN: kk
[12:12:33 AM] AEN: hey thanks for explaining to me all these
[12:13:15 AM] Thusness: wc
[01:02:49 AM] Thusness: How does science define time?
[01:13:03 AM] AEN: dont know
[01:13:05 AM] AEN: forgot
[01:13:10 AM] AEN: :P
[01:13:12 AM] AEN: y?
[01:17:36 AM] Thusness: It is a good topic for u to ponder. :)
[01:17:51 AM] AEN: oic...
[01:19:00 AM] Thusness: Anyway I read the message (about his
              experience) he sent to u wrongly.  I thought it was 4
              Nov, that was 30 days back.  
[01:19:16 AM] AEN: ohh
[01:19:21 AM] AEN: then what does that mean
[01:19:24 AM] AEN: lol
[01:22:02 AM] Thusness: He should spend some time into buddhism.
              :)
[01:22:19 AM] AEN: oic
[01:22:21 AM] AEN: hahaha
[01:22:23 AM] AEN: ok..
[01:22:56 AM] Thusness: but ..hm....let it be first. :)
[01:23:15 AM] Thusness: accepting isn't easy for now.
[01:23:39 AM] AEN: icic...
[01:24:21 AM] Thusness: Probably another msg, I don't get use to
              writing nowadays.
[01:24:31 AM] AEN: on the forum?
[01:24:48 AM] Thusness: yeah...another day.
[01:24:56 AM] AEN: icic
[01:24:57 AM] AEN: ok
[01:25:45 AM] Thusness: i got to go now. Nite. :)
[01:25:48 AM] AEN: ok
[01:25:49 AM] AEN: gd nite

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