Soh: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dzogchen/comments/qo5hyj/the_refutation_of_maintaining_that_appearance_is/

[8:17 am, 07/11/2021] John Tan: Apparent objects are not mind, appearances are mind.
[8:26 am, 07/11/2021] John Tan: And then from that,
further exhaust mind, appearances, apparent objects.
No mind, no appearances and no apparent objects

Soh: no appearances as in not no appearances but presence is empty right


John Tan:
No appearances just mean the conceptual notions of mind, appearances and external objects are all deconstructed.
It doesn't mean a blank nothing.
Vivid Appearances will unfailingly manifest, that is what Mipham meant by coalescence of appearance and emptiness.

From the perspective of mind (alaya), negation is non-affirming and thorough.
From the non-conceptual gnosis standpoint, nothing is obstructed nor denied.
What appears is unconditioned, spontaneous, natural and beyond elaborations.

[8:47 am, 07/11/2021] John Tan: Breathe in and breathe out into its natural condition.

With each breath, purged the mind of pretense and artificiality.

In this temporary freedom from analysis and reasoning,

The rhythmic flow of breath turns itself into an alive vitality.

Recognize this untainted flow of aliveness, it is the original energy.

Cultivate it calmly and be entire.

坐忘，斋心，养气

[8:47 am, 07/11/2021] John Tan: Do this every morning