I would like to announce two things:


1) The Awakening to Reality Practice Guide by Nafis Rahman: https://app.box.com/s/zc0suu4dil01xbgirm2r0rmnzegxaitq


2) AtR Guide - abridged version by Pablo Pintabona [partially done, halfway done for Stage 5]: https://atr-abridgedguide.blogspot.com/2021/11/this-is-shortened-version-of-complete.html


I would like to thank these two individuals for their great and compassionate effort to make these compilations. I trust it will be of great benefit for spiritual aspirants who find benefit in the AtR materials.





 John Astin's posts focuses on pointing out the seamlessness of anatta and dynamicity of presence.

https://www.johnastin.com/blog/2020/2/23/reality-drinking-itself-1

Reality, Drinking Itself

All there is, is experience.

Feel the reality of this, the undeniable fact that you can never, ever find anything outside of experience. Let it sink in, the reality that experience is all there ever is. Go “inside” of what you think of as yourself and what do you find there? Experience. Go “outside” of what you think of as yourself and you find exactly the same thing. Experience.

Now, within this field of experience, it may feel as if there are two separate things happening—that which is being experienced and the one experiencing it. But in reality, both the apparent subject (self) and object (other), are nothing other than an ever-changing, kaleidoscopic dance of experiencing.

And so when we say that “we” are having an experience of some “thing,” what we’re really saying is that experience is experiencing itself. In every instant, no matter how we might be describing it, all that’s ever happening is that experience is tasting itself, drinking itself, feasting on itself. Feel this, the way in which experience is constantly exploring itself, ever curious about the countless forms it takes each instant.

Drink in the richness, the luscious sensuality of it all. Enjoy this exquisite dance of life savoring itself in all its many forms.

https://www.johnastin.com/blog/2019/3/23/the-painting-that-is-your-life

THE PAINTING THAT IS YOUR LIFE
Imagine that the whole universe consists of a single painting and that this painting is exactly whatever you are presently viewing. That’s it; the entirety of reality right there, present as whatever is being seen, whatever is being heard, whatever is being experienced. That’s it. There is nothing else to see, no other painting to experience, no other painting that could ever be experienced. Nope. There is just this, this single, solitary painting, the painting that is your life…

But this painting of reality is unlike any you've ever encountered for it’s not just sitting there, static and unmoving. No, this painting is alive. It is in a state of constant flux; the images moving and dancing, transforming themselves moment-by-moment into something else. Take a look… how is the painting of your life appearing right now? And what about now? It's different, isn’t it? Every instant the painting shifts, even if in the subtlest of ways...

And what about us, the supposed viewer of the painting? It turns out that we're not actually outside of it, viewing the painting as if it were some object apart from us. No we, the apparent viewers, are actually an intrinsic, inseparable part of the painting itself. The seer of the painting is also in the painting. Remember, there is nothing but the painting, the viewer, the viewing and the viewed, a single apparition.

As we move from moment-to-moment, experience to experience, circumstance to circumstance, we are simply traveling to different portions of the painting. You can never enter or exit the painting for there is only the painting.

Remember… you can never be cast out of the only thing that exists.

April 17, 2019

https://www.johnastin.com/blog/2020/1/18/the-stability-of-instability
THE PEACE THAT PASSETH UNDERSTANDING
I spent a couple of decades as a meditator, attempting to keep attention focused, trying to get my mind to become stabilized. However, the more I investigated the reality of my experience, the more apparent it became that there was no stability. The closer I looked, the clearer it became that experience (which of course includes attention) is changing from one flash instant to the next. Experience drifts, it undulates. After all, it’s alive! Life doesn’t hold still; it dances around. The flow of experiencing is just that, a flow; it never actually becomes anything solid or fixed. Reality is forever on the move, here for less than a nanosecond. And then gone. Swept away.

Now, because of the non-durational nature of things, I not surprisingly kept failing miserably at my meditative efforts to find stability. I longed for things to settle down and become still. But reality would have no part of it. Nope, any apparent stability, any seeming arrival at something substantial or fixed would be swept away no sooner than it arrived. There was no stability. That is what was revealed.

And yet this relentless instability, this ceaseless dance of transformation, this radically unstable dynamism turns out to be its own kind of stability. How so? Well, it is what’s real. In that sense, the inherent instability is what we can count on. We can count on the fact that experience does not endure but is forever on the move. We could call it the “stability of instability.”

But the deepest truth is that how this is, cannot actually be said. We can’t really say whether reality is stable or unstable, restless or calm, still or moving. Nope. What this is cannot be said for any description implies that experience actually resolves as being some “thing,” something definite and definable. But it doesn’t. And so the only true thing we can ever really say about what this is, is that it is simply un-sayable.

This is the peace that passeth all understanding…

 

Why do we need to search?
Those who hold the neo advaitin view will usually say things like “there is nothing to search, just drop the search, there is nothing to achieve, there is no need to practice, you are already complete” and so on. I understand their perspective but respectively disagree.
This post is made of three parts:
1. On why searching is necessary before liberation
2. What the scriptures say about the role of desire for reaching the end of desire (nirvana)
3. What did the famous Dzogchen master, Longchenpa, and the famous Zen Master Dogen say about the role of practice?
On why searching is necessary before liberation:
Conversation from 2007
(9:29 PM) Thusness: a person should be real serious in being no-one and be thoroughly clear of what is 'self'
(9:29 PM) Thusness: and stop toking about nothing needs be done. 🙂
(9:29 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:30 PM) AEN: nothing needs to be done as in those neo advaita kind of statements? lol
(9:30 PM) Thusness: yeah
(9:30 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:30 PM) Thusness: u can say treat as if u never existed and experience the happening...
(9:31 PM) Thusness: u can tok about how conditioning fool us into believing that there is a 'self'
(9:31 PM) Thusness: how the entire process comes about
(9:31 PM) Thusness: u can tok about there is no one way towards it
(9:31 PM) Thusness: in fact saying don't search is meaningless
(9:32 PM) Thusness: that is just half the story
(9:32 PM) Thusness: it should be search until u truly understand the meaning of non-searching
(9:32 PM) Thusness: then it is complete
(9:32 PM) Thusness: for to understanding non-searching, searching is the condition
(9:33 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:34 PM) Thusness: what makes experience turns duality?
(9:34 PM) AEN: karmic propensity?
(9:34 PM) Thusness: self
(9:34 PM) Thusness: I hear
(9:34 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:34 PM) Thusness: I see
(9:34 PM) Thusness: that is separation
(9:35 PM) Thusness: the 'I' separates
(9:35 PM) AEN: oic
(9:35 PM) Thusness: when seeing, there is just the seen
(9:35 PM) Thusness: there is no separation
(9:35 PM) Thusness: then one must know the emptiness nature of the one life
(9:36 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:36 PM) AEN: emptiness nature of one life
(9:37 PM) AEN: as in realising non-locality?
(9:37 PM) Thusness: it is best not to tok about non-locality
(9:37 PM) Thusness: even non-duality will take one many lives to understand
(9:38 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:38 PM) AEN: but u said must know the emptiness nature of non duality also mah
(9:38 PM) Thusness: be without a center in all experiences
(9:38 PM) AEN: oic
(9:39 PM) Thusness: when adyashanti said all is the One...
(9:39 PM) Thusness: is sound the same as sight?
(9:39 PM) AEN: tink so
(9:39 PM) AEN: oh
(9:40 PM) AEN: sound and sight
(9:40 PM) AEN: hm
(9:40 PM) Thusness: is a song the same as the sky?
(9:40 PM) AEN: no..?
(9:40 PM) Thusness: is the current moment of thought, the same as the next moment of thought?
(9:40 PM) Thusness: is now ever the same at all?
(9:40 PM) Thusness: where is the one?
(9:40 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:41 PM) Thusness: he is right in saying we have to stop and thinking is the one that is causing the confusion
(9:41 PM) Thusness: 🙂
(9:42 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:42 PM) Thusness: confusion is the One.
(9:42 PM) Thusness: being lost is the one.
(9:42 PM) Thusness: yet I have no confusion at all
(9:43 PM) Thusness: that the 5 aggregates are already non-dual
(9:43 PM) Thusness: and 18 dhatus is also non dual
(9:43 PM) Thusness: and the in between what is causing the confusion
(9:43 PM) AEN: how come 'One' is confusion
(9:43 PM) Thusness: what are the factors
(9:43 PM) Thusness: the how of getting towards it
(9:43 PM) AEN: oic
(9:44 PM) Thusness: did u watch the video?
(9:44 PM) AEN: ya
(9:44 PM) Thusness: din u hear what he said?
(9:45 PM) AEN: orh the 'one' as in the thinker etc
(9:45 PM) Thusness: or
(9:45 PM) Thusness: no
(9:45 PM) Thusness: the One as the One reality.
(9:45 PM) Thusness: our buddha nature
(9:46 PM) AEN: oh icic
(9:46 PM) AEN: orhh okok
(9:46 PM) AEN: i get it
(9:46 PM) AEN: ya remember
(9:47 PM) Thusness: he must have deeper realisation of what is meant by 'self'. 🙂
(9:47 PM) Thusness: when u stand up, is there intention?
(9:47 PM) Thusness: when u brush ur teeth, is there intention?
(9:48 PM) AEN: think so
(9:48 PM) Thusness: yes
(9:48 PM) Thusness: is there a problem?
(9:48 PM) AEN: no
(9:48 PM) Thusness: so why is there a problem when u search?
(9:49 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:49 PM) AEN: so u mean searching is like the condition for realisation
(9:49 PM) Thusness: yes
(9:49 PM) AEN: and its ok
(9:49 PM) AEN: icic
(9:49 PM) AEN: like the intention and the brushing teeth
(9:49 PM) Thusness: when u search, u begin to understand what is non-seaching
(9:49 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:50 PM) Thusness: if u start by non-searching, u think that u r not searching but in reality, u are mistaken
(9:50 PM) Thusness: that sort of non-seaching is not the sort of non-searching after realisation from searching
(9:51 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:51 PM) Thusness: so when a person say the problem is with searching, he only knows half the story.
(9:51 PM) Thusness: he does not know the condition that leads to non-searching
(9:51 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:51 PM) AEN: wat sort of conditions lead to non searching
(9:52 PM) Thusness: searching
(9:52 PM) AEN: oic
(9:52 PM) Thusness: because i know then there is no confusion
(9:53 PM) Thusness: i am perfectly fine and contented
(9:53 PM) Thusness: i have no problem with sitting meditation and searching
(9:53 PM) Thusness: and yet i have experienced non-dual
(9:53 PM) Thusness: this is discernment
(9:54 PM) Thusness: if u were to tell a person non-searching from start
(9:54 PM) Thusness: he has no idea what u r toking about
(9:54 PM) Thusness: and even when u tell him that, it is wrong
(9:54 PM) Thusness: only when a person has searched sufficiently, he is equipped
(9:55 PM) AEN: oic..
(9:55 PM) Thusness: he knows because he knows what is searching
(9:55 PM) Thusness: he knows what is effort
(9:55 PM) Thusness: he knows the problems of efforting
(9:55 PM) Thusness: he sees how it reacts
(9:55 PM) Thusness: he 'sees' and the 'eyes' is open
(9:56 PM) Thusness: the entire process are setting up all the necessary conditions for non-searching to arise
(9:56 PM) Thusness: get it?
(9:56 PM) AEN: icic..
(9:56 PM) Thusness: without it, the non-searching is incomplete
(9:56 PM) Thusness: and it is not the non-searching all sages are toking about.
(9:56 PM) AEN: so u mean there has to be the experience of searching and discerning wats searching, then one can stop searching
(9:57 PM) AEN: icic
(9:57 PM) Thusness: yes
(9:57 PM) AEN: then ppl like tony parsons they're encouraging non-searching? or have i misunderstood
(9:57 PM) AEN: lol
(9:57 PM) Thusness: have u seen anyone born and does not search and yet know the entire full meaning of non-searching?
(9:57 PM) AEN: hmm no
(9:57 PM) Thusness: then why do u doubt?
(9:58 PM) Thusness: have u witness or have buddha taught or said anyone have done that b4?
(9:58 PM) AEN: but actually wat sort of searching wld lead to non searching lol
(9:58 PM) AEN: hmm no
(9:59 PM) Thusness: now have u witness great sages after going through cycles of searching of what is truth comes to understand what is the true meaning of non-searching?
(9:59 PM) AEN: ya
(9:59 PM) Thusness: has anyone not gone through that process?
(9:59 PM) AEN: dun tink so
(10:00 PM) Thusness: so within ur knowledge including buddha, none has indeed succeeded in that
(10:00 PM) AEN: icic.. yea
(10:01 PM) Thusness: isn't that sufficient to tell u that what are searching is necessary?
(10:01 PM) AEN: oic..
(10:01 PM) AEN: searching as in practising the teachings?
(10:01 PM) Thusness: so for one that focus and over-emphasize that non-searching is again fooled by his own thinking conditioning.
(10:01 PM) Thusness: yet not knowing it.
(10:01 PM) AEN: oic..
(10:02 PM) Thusness: therefore propensities are subtle.
(10:02 PM) Thusness: even the non-dual experiencers are not spared from it.
(10:02 PM) AEN: icic..
(10:05 PM) Thusness: so what is the diff?
(10:05 PM) Thusness: between the non-searching at the beginning and the non-searching at the end?
(10:05 PM) Thusness: what is the entire process about?
(10:05 PM) AEN: one is no insight one is got insight
(10:06 PM) Thusness: and how then can a person trying understand non-searching?
(10:06 PM) Thusness: insight of what?
(10:06 PM) AEN: searching?
(10:06 PM) Thusness: why can't a person from start know what is non-searching?
(10:07 PM) Thusness: why must he go through searching?
(10:07 PM) AEN: bcos if he dun even know wat is searching, then he cant understand wat is effort and the problems of effort?
(10:07 PM) Thusness: what is effort?
(10:07 PM) AEN: intentions?
(10:08 PM) Thusness: no good
(10:08 PM) Thusness: u have not understood what i said
(10:08 PM) AEN: oic
(10:09 PM) Thusness: because u need to be no-self in order to understand non-searching
(10:09 PM) Thusness: and the understanding must be very very thorough
(10:09 PM) AEN: icic..
(10:09 PM) Thusness: a person from start have absolutely no idea of what is no-self and what is self
(10:10 PM) Thusness: get it
(10:10 PM) Thusness: all actions are full of self.
(10:10 PM) AEN: icic..
(10:10 PM) AEN: yea
(10:11 PM) Thusness: when a person sit and not doing anything
(10:11 PM) Thusness: one is without center
(10:11 PM) Thusness: the other has a center
(10:12 PM) AEN: toni packer also said something, she said 'unless effortlessness prevails, you cannot help making an effort' and said its the way our constitution and conditioning world, when toking about effortlessness its either a concept or we're really in that state of no effort, just openness without 'me'
(10:12 PM) AEN: oic
(10:13 PM) AEN: *conditioning work
(10:14 PM) AEN: one without center -- after insight, one with center -- before insight ?
(10:14 PM) Thusness: u can say so.
(10:14 PM) AEN: icic
(10:15 PM) Thusness: but one has to go through a process of stability
(10:15 PM) Thusness: and the key is in dropping
(10:15 PM) Thusness: that is why second door is very important
(10:15 PM) Thusness: and it is dropping the entirety of the self
(10:15 PM) Thusness: as if u never existed
(10:15 PM) Thusness: that is why 2nd door is very important after non-dual experience
(10:16 PM) Thusness: one must put in all effort in dropping
(10:16 PM) Thusness: until as if the 'i' never existed
(10:16 PM) AEN: icic..
(10:18 PM) AEN: its like nothing stays at all, nothing exists, so everything is dropped?
(10:18 PM) Thusness: that is the effect
(10:19 PM) Thusness: it is absolutely no center
(10:19 PM) Thusness: no 'I' at all.
(10:19 PM) Thusness: u will find it very hard to understand now because there is no clarity of what exactly constitute the 'I'.
(10:20 PM) Thusness: but for one that understand and realised what the 'I' is all about, then he is very comfortable.
(10:20 PM) Thusness: then he will know that what u said is the effect
(10:20 PM) Thusness: as if painting on pond like what i have posted
(10:20 PM) AEN: icic..
(10:21 PM) Thusness: that is i don't attempt or try not to hold on to anything
(10:22 PM) Thusness: but i understand deeply and eliminate the whole notion of it and naturally i do not hold at all.
(10:22 PM) Thusness: whole notion of 'I' i mean
(10:22 PM) AEN: oic..
(10:22 PM) Thusness: giving up entirely the center
(10:23 PM) Thusness: no center at all
(10:23 PM) Thusness: then there is no holding
(10:23 PM) Thusness: as if I never existed
(10:23 PM) AEN: icic..
(10:23 PM) Thusness: like what jeff described
(10:23 PM) AEN: oic
(10:24 PM) Thusness: he must be so comfortable with no center
(10:24 PM) Thusness: practice until it stabilizes
(10:24 PM) Thusness: requires few years
…..
What the scriptures say about the role of desire for reaching the end of desire (nirvana)
To Uṇṇābha the Brahman�Brahmaṇa Sutta (SN 51:15)
NAVIGATIONSuttas/SN/51:15
I have heard that on one occasion Ven. Ānanda was staying near Kosambī at Ghosita’s monastery. Then Uṇṇābha the brahman went to Ven. Ānanda and on arrival greeted him courteously. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to Ven. Ānanda: “Master Ānanda, what is the aim of this holy life lived under Gotama the contemplative?”
“Brahman, the holy life is lived under the Blessed One with the aim of abandoning desire.”
“Is there a path, is there a practice, for the abandoning of that desire?”
“Yes, there is a path, there is a practice, for the abandoning of that desire.”
“What is the path, the practice, for the abandoning of that desire?”
“Brahman, there is the case where a monk develops the base of power endowed with concentration founded on desire & the fabrications of exertion. He develops the base of power endowed with concentration founded on persistence… concentration founded on intent… concentration founded on discrimination & the fabrications of exertion. This, brahman, is the path, this is the practice for the abandoning of that desire.”
“If that’s so, Master Ānanda, then it’s an endless path, and not one with an end, for it’s impossible that one could abandon desire by means of desire.”
“In that case, brahman, let me cross-question you on this matter. Answer as you see fit. What do you think? Didn’t you first have desire, thinking, ‘I’ll go to the monastery,’ and then when you reached the monastery, wasn’t that particular desire allayed?”
“Yes, sir.”
“Didn’t you first have persistence, thinking, ‘I’ll go to the monastery,’ and then when you reached the monastery, wasn’t that particular persistence allayed?”
“Yes, sir.”
“Didn’t you first have the intent, thinking, ‘I’ll go to the monastery,’ and then when you reached the monastery, wasn’t that particular intent allayed?”
“Yes, sir.”
“Didn’t you first have (an act of) discrimination, thinking, ‘I’ll go to the monastery,’ and then when you reached the monastery, wasn’t that particular act of discrimination allayed?”
“Yes, sir.”
“So it is with an arahant whose effluents are ended, who has reached fulfillment, done the task, laid down the burden, attained the true goal, totally destroyed the fetter of becoming, and who is released through right gnosis. Whatever desire he first had for the attainment of arahantship, on attaining arahantship that particular desire is allayed. Whatever persistence he first had for the attainment of arahantship, on attaining arahantship that particular persistence is allayed. Whatever intent he first had for the attainment of arahantship, on attaining arahantship that particular intent is allayed. Whatever discrimination he first had for the attainment of arahantship, on attaining arahantship that particular discrimination is allayed. So what do you think, brahman? Is this an endless path, or one with an end?”
“You’re right, Master Ānanda. This is a path with an end, and not an endless one. Magnificent, Master Ānanda! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to show the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has Master Ānanda—through many lines of reasoning—made the Dhamma clear. I go to Master Gotama for refuge, to the Dhamma, and to the Saṅgha of monks. May Master Ānanda remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge, from this day forward, for life.”
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What did the famous Dzogchen master, Longchenpa, and the famous Zen Master Dogen say about the role of practice?
We have to be careful about “nothing to achieve” and “are empty”. The path is empty but not non existent. Many people mistook emptiness as implying non existence, this is an incorrect understanding as explained in http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../how-experiential...
And Longchenpa puts it very nicely:
Longchenpa on Nihilism
From Finding Rest in the Nature of Mind.
Those who scorn the law of karmic cause and fruit
Are students of the nihilist view outside the Dharma.
They rely on the thought that all is void;
They fall in the extreme of nothingness
And go from higher to lower states.
They have embarked on an evil path
And from the evil destinies will have no freedom,
Casting happy states of being far away.
”The law of karmic cause and fruit,
Compassion and the gathering of merit -
All this is but provisional teaching fit for children:
Enlightenment will not be gained thereby.
Great yogis should remain without intentional action.
They should meditate upon reality that is like space.
Such is the definitive instruction.”
The view of those who speak like this
Of all views is the most nihilist:
They have embraced the lowest of all paths.
How strange is this!
They want a fruit but have annulled its cause.
If reality is but a space-like void,
What need is there to meditate?
And if it is not so, then even if one meditates
Such efforts are to no avail.
If meditation on mere voidness leads to liberation,
Even those with minds completely blank
Attain enlightenment!
But since those people have asserted meditation,
Cause and its result they thus establish!
Throw far away such faulty paths as these!
The true, authentic path asserts
The arising in dependence of both cause and fruit,
The natural union of skillful means and wisdom.
Through the causality of nonexistent but appearing acts,
Through meditation on the nonexistent but appearing path,
The fruit is gained, appearing and yet nonexistent;
And for the sake of nonexistent but appearing beings,
Enlightened acts, appearing and yet nonexistent, manifest.
Such is pure causality’s profound interdependence.
This is the essential pith
Of all the Sutra texts whose meaning is definitive
And indeed of all the tantras.
Through the joining of the two accumulations,
The generation and completion stages,
Perfect buddhahood is swiftly gained.
Thus all the causal processes
Whereby samsara is contrived should be abandoned,
And all acts that are the cause of liberation
Should be earnestly performed.
High position in samsara
And the final excellence of buddhahood
Will speedily be gained.
- Finding Rest in the Nature of Mind (vol 1)
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Also by Longchenpa:
"To reject practice by saying, ‘it is conceptual!’ is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided.”
— Longchenpa
…..
Excerpt from Zen Master Dogen here
The way is originally perfect and all-pervading. How could it be contingent on practice and realization? The true vehicle is self-sufficient. What need is there for special effort? Indeed, the whole body is free from dust. Who could believe in a means to brush it clean? It is never apart from this very place; what is the use of traveling around to practice? And yet, if there is a hairsbreadth deviation, it is like the gap between heaven and earth. If the least like or dislike arises, the mind is lost in confusion. Suppose you are confident in your understanding and rich in enlightenment, gaining the wisdom that knows at a glance, attaining the Way and clarifying the mind, arousing an aspiration to reach for the heavens. You are playing in the entranceway, but you are still short of the vital path of emancipation.
Consider the Buddha: although he was wise at birth, the traces of his six years of upright sitting can yet be seen. As for Bodhidharma, although he had received the mind-seal, his nine years of facing a wall is celebrated still. If even the ancient sages were like this, how can we today dispense with wholehearted practice?
Therefore, put aside the intellectual practice of investigating words and chasing phrases, and learn to take the backward step that turns the light and shines it inward. Body and mind of themselves will drop away, and your original face will manifest. If you want to realize such, get to work on such right now.
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“This is a world where nothing can ever sully and touch that purity and perfection, where the whole of universe/whole of mind is always experienced vividly as that very purity and perfection devoid of any kind of sense of self or perceiver whatsoever that is experiencing the world at a distance from a vantagepoint -- life without ‘self’ is a living paradise free of afflictive/painful emotions, where every color, sound, smell, taste, touch and detail of the world stands out as the very boundless field of pristine awareness, sparkling brilliance/radiance, colorful, high-saturation, HD, luminous, heightened intensity and shining wonderment and magicality, where the surrounding sights, sounds, scents, sensations, smells, thoughts are seen and experienced so clearly down to the tiniest details, vividly and naturally, not just in one sense door but all six, where the world is a fairy-tale like wonderland, revealed anew every moment in its fullest depths as if you are a new-born baby experiencing life for the first time, afresh and never seen before, where life is abundant with peace, joy and fearlessness even amidst the apparent chaos and troubles of life, and everything experienced through all the senses far surpasses any beauty previously experienced, as if the universe is like heaven made of glittering gold and jewels, experienced in complete gapless directness without separation, where life and the universe is experienced in its intense lucidity, clarity, aliveness and vivifying presence not only without intermediary and separation but without center and boundaries - infinitude as vast as an endless night sky is actualized every moment, an infinitude that is simply the vast universe appearing as an empty, distanceless, dimensionless and powerful presencing, where the mountains and stars on the horizon stands out no more distant than one’s breath, and shines forth as intimately as one’s heartbeat, where the cosmic scale of infinitude is actualized even in ordinary activities as the entirety of the universe is always participating as every ordinary activity including walking and breathing and one’s very body (without a trace of an ‘I’ or ‘mine’) is as much the universe/dependent origination in action and there is nothing outside of this boundless exertion/universe, where the purity and infinitude of the marvellous world experienced through being cleansed in all doors of perception is constant. (If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern. - William Blake)”
This is not a high stage or state of achievement. It is just your primordial purity, the primal purity of the universe and your birthright. We just don’t perceive that way when functioning in life through tainted glasses (the illusion of ‘self’ and ‘other’). Most crucial way to cleanse the doors of perception is the insight of anatman. Then continue refining further with insight into d.o. and emptiness until all perception turns not only nondual bright and direct but illusory and stainless.
PURE GOLD
The source of genuine happiness is realizing that
we are living in original heaven, in original paradise,
- and that we are already enlightened and absolute.
We have lived thinking that we are clumps of dirt or dung,
but once you see your true nature,
- you realize that everything is pure gold.
To come to know that we are pure gold is incredible,
it is total happiness;
and becoming enlightened to this is infinitely greater
- than amassing all the gold in the world.
~ Ven. SongChol
Ven. SongChol (1912~1993), one of the great Zen masters of Korea in the last century, was called ‘Living Buddha’ by his followers.

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P.s. i also want to add: i am not a guru nor have i reached some finality.
If this perfection can be experienced even now at such a beginning phase of my practice, with my meagre practice and insights, how infinitely more perfect and pure the primordial purity and perfection will reveal down the road will certainly be astonishing and beyond comprehension. Perfection gets perfecter.
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    This might seem like a mundane question, but i've been wondering Soh Wei Yu ; ever since your awakening, how has your emotional relationships with people changed?

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    People have commented that I am chill and cheerful/happy, that I don’t have a temper and they don’t see me angry and so on.

    Basically I am happier and more peaceful. While normally people may often get frustrated, angry, not calm, when facing more challenging situations.

    Also I don’t want to comment about my private life but I like how this Actualist describe his relationship with others after breaking through self. You become happier because you genuinely are happy throughout the day. How you relate therefore doesn’t come from a dark place.

    “RESPONDENT: Dear Vineeto and Richard,

    I have just posted up a report on Slack [actualist discussion group] and Yahoo Groups. I have been actually free since Nov 3rd 2018 and wanted to write you both and thank you for did for ‘me’ over the years that eventually allowed me to escape my fate and fulfil my destiny. Or perhaps I should say appreciate all you have done since there is no feeling of indebtedness anymore 🙂 […]

    It is so deliciously amazing being here now. It is totally unimaginable and unbelievable as Richard has correctly said. It is quite freaky sometimes how giganormously vast this universe is such that it takes my breath away. I get intimations of infinitude and I am sure the definitive experience of it is on the horizon. I feel like my brain has been ‘uncapped’ and the magnificent universe – as oppose to ‘self’ and ‘other’ is my preoccupation. My body and mind are sometimes suffused with pleasure and expansiveness such that it is too much and I have to back away! I’ve been having a whale of a time just living my life for the last month or so. I’ve been having a fantastic time also comparing notes with Geoffrey and No 9(AF). The relationship with my girlfriend is like night and day. I’m like this big happy kid, that wants for her happiness. There is a delicious intimacy. Prior to this I was a grudging boyfriend, who often tolerated her and occasionally felt guilty enough to try and make a romantic gesture.

    I would love to hear more about being fully free. But for now I am content to just enjoy and enjoy some more. The utter safety, spaciousness and stillness I am experiencing is truly something remarkable.

    Yours actually 😉”



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    this is beautiful

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    But why focus on me? You should ask others here. Lots of people realised anatta here


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    Soh Wei Yu im not usually on fakebook often, so i havent had a chance to really see who else realized anatta. youre the main one i know & i see whenever im on, but i definitely dont deny there are other people here who have


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    I hope others can comment more 🙂 from their insights and experience


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    Rick Indie if I may chime in, as Soh said.. 🙂 My wife has remarked that I seem much more open, loving, cheerful, and optimistic. I no longer see the behavior of "others" as something that can upset me, as the web of interconnection removes the illusion that "I" am at the mercy of "them." Basically, more unified, grounded, and always at rest with reality as it unfolds.



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    James Wolanyk thats amazing. so i see you mentioned your wife, how has your love for her changed? has it amplified at all? if you dont mind me asking


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    Rick Indie Hi Rick, sorry, just saw this - when I first was dating my wife and going through the earlier stages, I was very conflicted and not sure what to do with sexual desire or attraction on a romantic level. I thought I had to choose spirituality or love. Nowadays they've blended into a relative expression of the Absolute - romantic love is just one optional part of a much larger context of socializing, being helpful to others, and co-creating a reality that is better for all sentient beings 🙂 If you have specifics, please ask or message me, I don't mind!



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    Rick Indie The earlier phases of awakening were characterized by disembodiment due to witnessing and self-enquiry… the sense of not feeling human because of the collapse of the identification processes. It was actually Anatta that brought the emotional centers back online. I didn’t feel much for a very long time, but after Anatta there’s the sense of being more human than ever before but without the sense of a me attached to it. Quite interesting and very impactful. Emotions are ornaments of the natural state and there’s certainly much more now than in years past.


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    Ryan Burton interesting, i guess because the earlier phases still have obscurations, so there mightve been attachment to feeling "dull"/disassociated/separate from everything, but im guessing anatta is the collapse of that separation, so you didnt feel a need to separate yourself from any feeling after anatta. does that sound about right?


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    Rick Indie didn’t feel the need to separate even before Anatta, but the difference was that afterwards I couldn’t experience duality even when I tried. Couldn’t undo the collapse.


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    Rick Indie the dissociation always happened after the non-dual openings. So after “I Am” realization there was this oscillation between the experience of “I am Everything” and the sense of being a “me.”

    It was always on the contraction phase of that cycle when the sense of “me” would return that the dissociation would arise.


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    Rick Indie Sometimes those openings would last days and the contraction would follow for days or weeks and then another opening. This expansion-contraction cycle lasted 3 years or so. In the contraction phase of each cycle— difficulties would come to the forefront like feeling dissociated, apathy, negligent etc.


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    Ryan Burton also, you mentioned disembodiment. did you stop feeling bodily sensations? or did you "ascend" past the sensations while they were still there in space?

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    Rick Indie body sensations would only vanish in meditation but that didn’t happen very often. Not sure what you mean by ascend past them? Could you clarify that?


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    Ryan Burton i prob couldve worded that better, but its like this: so you know how the average person(pre-anatta & pre-"I Am") feels like they're "trapped" in a body? as if the body is the ultimate boundary for them? so for you, when i say ascend past it, i mean did your mind "extend" past feeling like your body was the ultimate boundary? could you feel sensations, but did those sensations feel like they were only a drop inside a bigger ocean?

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    Soh Wei Yu James Wolanyk Ryan Burton the reason i keep asking about love is because im subconsciously afraid of losing emotion if i do reach a certain level of [de]realization. i dont want to lose compassion, and i dont want to be stuck in a state of emotionlessness for even a day. what was the most helpful realization that allowed emotions to flourish in anatta? whats the main realization that cut away depersonalization? i really appreciate the help



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    U won’t.

    If u really have proper Anatta realization, not just at intellect level. the sense of self will be released, it is palpable, and then U will have a sense like things and ppl around u “feels u”, not literally, but u will find out. The strong sense that you feel “I am me here” now, will miraculously be subdued so much that it’s hard to pretend I’m just this body.

    The contraction in the middle here will subdued over time, and each time they become less, the “I am this body” feeling drops even more. It’s slightly strange to “not feel much here” at first but not uncomfortable, it feels spacious, like a relief.

    U won’t lose compassion at all. U will probably have more. Now u lost the boundaries between u and others, and the compassion will sometimes feels almost too powerful, it brings u out to help beings. U can ignore being compassionate and still do harm .. I’m not sure but for me i think the guilt will be nerve wrecking. I have a Buddhist background, I don’t think I can stand my own judgement against myself if I do stupid stuff to others.

    Imo, a practitioner will have gone through quite abit of studying, willingly being selfless, metta, generosity to see that insight.

    It is quite hard for a very self centered person to want to release this energy in the middle because it is counterintuitive at first until it becomes natural after a lot a lot of practise. In some degree the compassion helps the insight to deepen.



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    Yin Ling wow...this was the confirmation i needed. my vipashyana was being held back by my fear, but now, i feel i wont hold back anymore. (& as far as compassion, i'll never ignore it. i naturally always had compassion for people. and after seeing what buddhas can do, its almost like i was "born" for buddhism, specifically vajrayana. my whole mission for becoming a buddha is to help people)


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    Rick Indie yeah u will be a perfect fit for the boddhisatva path becusse the whole path is to buddhahood which is to help sentient beings, nothing else


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    Yin Ling also, in reference to feeling spacious, would you say the primordial nature of mind feels like infinite space?

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    Rick Indie yup, one don’t feel like “living in the body” anymore, which is a small space.

    U live spaciously, as the “beingness” is limitless and every where 🙂

    It’s wonderful, really. Like being let out of a mri machine , phew


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    Yin Ling wow, this is really motivating. so, if my view is right, then our intrinsic awareness is always infinitely spacious like that, however, the skandhas flare up when we fixate too strongly on feeling like a "small self". and this gets worse when we fixate on identifying with the skandhas as our "self". basically, its like a matter of mind latching onto the closest thing it can relate to, despite already having an infinite nature. does that sound about right?

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    Rick Indie yes absolutely right.

    There’s two levels to it.

    First it’s to know “who am I”( aka to know what is our “mind”) truly.

    Then next step is to see this “minds” nature.

    Just keep it at the back of your mind that this “awareness” is not apart from the skandhas, the phenomenas, and everything in the world. It’s in it. As it. The awareness is itself the skandhas.

    Or else what u are worried about- the “derealization” and emotionless ness would be the problem if one separate out awareness as a separate thing. Coz now we would become “awareness”, “standing away” and looking at the world, and not the world, not participating, isolating ourselves and that is often the biggest worry along the path , ppl get stuck and think emotionless ness is the outcome.

    In true Anatta, you become the world. You will notice soh will post a huge amount of stuff about this on his profile and also here, which is crucial for a wholesome realization 🙂

    All the best on ur path. U r very sincere, I’m sure ur compassion will guide u always. Buddha be with you 🙂



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    I spammed the 7 stages link and on anatta article to thousands of spiritual teachers and practitioners online and by email

    Take me as an example of foolish compassion 😂 not to follow my example



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    Soh Wei Yu I’m not sure though. Some ppl might be ready and it will resonate.

    I heard once someone said actually the dhamma is self-concealed when asked why do some teachings are secret?

    Bc if one is not ready to hear them they won’t.

    One who is ready they will find it. I’m not sure haha


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    Yes indeed some people resonate and some people already broke through to anatta from previous stage after talking to me

    Thats why i continued spamming 😂


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    https://www.integrateddaniel.info/the-eleventh-army-of-mara

    The Eleventh Army of Mara — Integrated Daniel

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    The Eleventh Army of Mara — Integrated Daniel

    The Eleventh Army of Mara — Integrated Daniel

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    Soh Wei Yu agree with this article. Even worse when I want to explain my understanding but I don’t know how do I actually come to this understanding because somehow it just all clicks and come tgt…

    And how do one even explain?


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    Yin Ling need patience, not a one day thing especially for someone dull like myself

    Im so fortunate john tan had the patience to talk and talk for years with me and repeat the same stuff from many different angles

    He is truly a bodhisattva with mastery of patience paramita



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    Yin Ling unfortunately i cant do that for others

    Not as skillful nor have i the time

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    Yin Ling so i try to compile something, the books and journal for those interested

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    Soh Wei Yu yes I agree. He also write long passages befitting my conditions to allow me to intuit. It is hard.

    U too did a lot of work for others, don’t belittle urself !

    Sometimes just doing our practice sincerely will help others. For years I never talk to my partner about the dhamma, coz for me it’s a personal thing and I don’t want to impose on others what I believe. I only answer when asked.

    But I read and meditate around him and suddenly few weeks back he told me he started a meditation practice and read a Steve Hagen book.. 🥹


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    Yes i read on reddit just a day or two ago

    Someone with a similar story

    Non believer partner suddenly after many years got interested in meditation due to seeing changes in the partner


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    Yin Ling When I see someone is deeply transformed I feel ego backlash-usually anger or fear. It's as if the ego senses that this intense truth is the death of itself and so it protects itself with these reactions.

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    Rick Indie Here is my experience as one guy who went from being a selfish early 20s kid to someone who now feels "stable" on the path - you never lose anything. You give up selfishness, deception, anger, lust, etc, and in return, you gain a sense of connection, ease, joy, honesty, basic goodness, and integrity. The fear around anatta and anicca is really born from the delusion of selfhood, which is constantly trying to scare you away from opening your heart to your own nature - the peaceful, open dharmadatu will always embrace you and lend strength for improving the lives of other beings in every possible domain, from the occupational to the social to the psychological ❤️ In short, you become what the world needs, and you share in its love and creativity.


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    Rick Indie btw, if you are interested in bodhisattva topics, you can click my name and find the post I made recently on integration - it may soothe your mind 🙂


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    Rick Indie why so scared of losing emotions? When you're dead, would you also like to be born again to have more emotions?

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    Soh Wei Yu haha you & me are the same, I always spam helpful articles. But atleast you're not like Virupa where Avalokitshvara Buddha literally had to come down & tell Virupa "hey, it's good you're converting people to dharma...but please stop freaking people out with your magic powers."



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    Tara once told me my wishes will be fulfilled (and it did) and that i should “focus on helping people”

    I had a strong connection to avalokitesvara and tara and had many visions and miraculous encounters, unworldly fragrance etc



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    Rick Indie avalokitesvara told me to be compassionate



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    Soh Wei Yu oh wow that's amazing. I want to meet them. But they probably only appear after someone achieves 1st bhumi, right? (or atleast until you achieve an exceptionally high level of metta if you're not awakened yet)

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    Rick Indie idk lol

    I think people even before awakening can have visions of them

    It does not necessarily indicate your level of enlightenment

    But i think what john tan said here indicates his high degree of enlightenment:

    “…It can be realized, known and experienced including the supramadane abilities of buddha and bodhisattvas, the sambhogakaya body and buddhafields to those that r serious in practice. They maybe myth to some but not myth to me, at least it can be verified by first person experiences (imo) regardless how science think and that are already enough for me to cope…”


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    Sambhogakaya only appears to those from 8th bhumi onwards from what I read


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    Soh Wei Yu yes, I agree! Me & my family have predisposition to clairvoyance, I'm looking to perfect it after anatta (BTW, tell John thank you for recommending "Finding Rest in Illusion." That book is amazing)


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    Joyful, spacious, light, very simple.

    But I still get annoyed when ppl bullshit me lol but it doesn’t go deep.




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     Session Start: Sunday, August 31, 2008


    (2:08 PM) Thusness: wah u wrote so much about one taste. :P

    (2:08 PM) Thusness: kok ur head!

    (2:10 PM) AEN: huh where

    (2:10 PM) AEN: lol

    (2:10 PM) AEN: i just updated my post

    (2:10 PM) AEN: removed some part and added some part

    (2:10 PM) Thusness: every place. :P

    (2:11 PM) Thusness: next time must do a constant check on the url awakeningtoreality. :P

    (2:11 PM) Thusness: One Taste here and there...kok ur head

    (2:11 PM) AEN: orh u mean google haha

    (2:11 PM) AEN: i tot u mean sgforums

    (2:11 PM) Thusness: yeah.  Although ken wilber experience is non-dual, it is not exactly One Taste yet.

    (2:11 PM) AEN: oic y

    (2:11 PM) AEN: one taste include emptiness?

    (2:12 PM) Thusness: yes din i tell u?

    (2:12 PM) AEN: icic..

    (2:13 PM) Thusness: The non-duality of advaita sort of understanding is different from buddhism.

    (2:13 PM) Thusness: how could one reaches the phase of One Taste without understanding the emptiness nature?

    (2:14 PM) Thusness: The One Taste realisation is of 2 parts: No object/subject split and both object/subject are empty of any inherent existence.

    (2:15 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:15 PM) Thusness: Penetrating these 2 aspects, insight arises of the One Taste.

    (2:15 PM) Thusness: Since when did i tell u about Advaita sort of understanding is non-dual of Buddhism?

    (2:15 PM) AEN: icic..

    (2:16 PM) Thusness: So many times I told u it is the empty nature that Buddha came to teach us, not only the luminosity aspect.

    (2:16 PM) Thusness: The non-dual luminous nature is described all over the Vedas

    (2:17 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:17 PM) Thusness: kok ur head!

    (2:18 PM) Thusness: Anyone not talking about the 3 seals, understanding the anatta sort of non-duality is not talking about Buddhism.

    (2:19 PM) Thusness: anyone that lead to the understanding of Brahman is deluded in Buddhist perspective.  The One Mind, the One Reality is the non-inherent in nature.

    (2:19 PM) Thusness: it should not be understood from a dualistic and inherent perspective.

    (2:19 PM) AEN: oic but ken wilber talk about brahman meh :P

    (2:20 PM) Thusness: Yes.

    (2:20 PM) AEN: oic

    (2:21 PM) Thusness: Therefore the experience is non-dual but the insight isn't.

    (2:21 PM) AEN: icic..

    (2:23 PM) AEN: so next time i shld show them the charlie singer article instead :P

    (2:23 PM) Thusness: Charlie still need further refinement but it is already very good.

    (2:24 PM) Thusness: There are not many good articles.

    (2:24 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:24 PM) Thusness: Many do not have the clarity of the differences

    (2:25 PM) Thusness: They are unable to discern correctly the difference.  In terms of experience and insight.

    (2:25 PM) AEN: icic..

    (2:25 PM) Thusness: U have to be careful when telling ppl.

    (2:25 PM) Thusness: Fortunately u always quoted the bahiya sutta...haahah

    (2:26 PM) AEN: oic.. haha

    (2:26 PM) Thusness: it is both. :)

    (2:26 PM) AEN: wat u mean both

    (2:26 PM) Thusness: both non-dual in terms of experience and insight

    (2:26 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:28 PM) AEN: the insight means theres insight into emptiness

    (2:28 PM) AEN: ?

    (2:28 PM) Thusness: yes

    (2:28 PM) Thusness: so far the best to me is still Ajahn Amaro.  In terms of practical insight and experience.

    (2:29 PM) Thusness: Clear and precise.

    (2:29 PM) AEN: oic

    (2:29 PM) AEN: but u said his e book not so gd?

    (2:29 PM) Thusness: But that 'source' must be fully replaced with DO.

    (2:29 PM) AEN: oic

    (2:29 PM) Thusness: yes.

    (2:29 PM) Thusness: That is the only problem.

    (2:29 PM) Thusness: But he is still not wrong.

    (2:29 PM) AEN: why not wrong

    (2:29 PM) Thusness: The "I" is just a luminous clarity.

    (2:30 PM) Thusness: In his mind, there is no sense of independence but still not thorough.

    (2:30 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:31 PM) Thusness: Means he knows what Awareness is exactly.  Therefore when he said "I AM", u should not mistake him as referring to that stage 1.

    (2:31 PM) Thusness: Though to him it is the same.

    (2:32 PM) Thusness: But he is using it as if a practitioner has understood the full insight of emptiness and non-duality

    (2:32 PM) Thusness: It is not the same.

    (2:32 PM) AEN: icic..

    (2:32 PM) Thusness: But to him, he is not aware of that point.

    (2:32 PM) Thusness: It is not obvious to him.

    (2:32 PM) Thusness: That is my opinion.

    (2:33 PM) AEN: he is not aware of what

    (2:33 PM) Thusness: That the experience of "I AM" is different.

    (2:33 PM) AEN: but u said in the ebook is still quite dualistic rite

    (2:33 PM) Thusness: yes

    (2:33 PM) AEN: i tink he said something like oil and water

    (2:33 PM) AEN: are separate

    (2:33 PM) Thusness: yes

    (2:33 PM) Thusness: i will talk about that later.

    (2:34 PM) Thusness: means he cannot rest in the phenomena...

    (2:34 PM) Thusness: the arising and ceasing

    (2:34 PM) Thusness: why so?

    (2:34 PM) Thusness: because of certain 'block' still.

    (2:34 PM) Thusness: that 'block' must be completely gone.

    (2:34 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:35 PM) Thusness: sames goes to Charlie Singer

    (2:35 PM) Thusness: Seems almost there but not there. :P

    (2:35 PM) AEN: why not

    (2:35 PM) Thusness: Don't go everywhere say that i say hah...

    (2:35 PM) AEN: oic

    (2:35 PM) Thusness: The mirror is still there. :)

    (2:36 PM) AEN: icic..

    (2:36 PM) Thusness: what is appearance to him?

    (2:36 PM) Thusness: seems like awareness yet not.

    (2:36 PM) Thusness: seems like merely a reflection

    (2:36 PM) Thusness: apparition

    (2:36 PM) Thusness: of a mirror

    (2:37 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:37 PM) AEN: but we can use that analogy for its emptiness?

    (2:37 PM) Thusness: yes but unfortunately in terms of experience, it is not

    (2:38 PM) Thusness: means the nature of an arising is not thoroughly experienced.

    (2:38 PM) Thusness: and he is right.

    (2:38 PM) Thusness: one needs to go through until this nature is fully and completely understood.

    (2:38 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:40 PM) Thusness: What are the 2 truths of egolessness about?

    (2:40 PM) AEN: emptiness of self and phenomena?

    (2:40 PM) Thusness: yes

    (2:40 PM) Thusness: subject and object

    (2:40 PM) Thusness: if there is no background, no "ITness" to be found as 'Self/self'

    (2:41 PM) Thusness: and there is no 'ITness' to be found in object or attributes

    (2:41 PM) Thusness: 'What is' is mere Appearances

    (2:42 PM) Thusness: there is no 'redness' in flower or any 'ITness' found anywhere

    (2:42 PM) Thusness: both as 'Self' and 'Object' of identification

    (2:42 PM) Thusness: So what is there?

    (2:43 PM) AEN: awareness as appearances?

    (2:43 PM) Thusness: Yes.

    (2:43 PM) Thusness: There is only appearances

    (2:43 PM) Thusness: and we do not know that this Appearance is our Buddha Nature in real time.

    (2:44 PM) Thusness: There is a 'block' because the direct experience is not strong and thorough enough.

    (2:44 PM) Thusness: There will come a time when total clarity dawn, there is no more doubt.

    (2:45 PM) Thusness: Because of this 'Block', there is still traces of an independent 'I'.

    (2:45 PM) Thusness: And there is no One Taste. :)

    (2:45 PM) AEN: oic..

    (2:47 PM) Thusness: Think I will write my opinion about it.

    (2:47 PM) AEN: okie

    (2:48 PM) Thusness: Actually I do not like to comment on these articles because it often leads to disputes and arguments.

    (2:48 PM) Thusness: :P

    (2:48 PM) AEN: no la

    (2:48 PM) AEN: dun tink it will

    (2:48 PM) AEN: our forum like v quiet

    (2:48 PM) AEN: haha

    (2:48 PM) Thusness: ahaha...

    (2:49 PM) Thusness: it is for practice sake

    (2:49 PM) Thusness: for experience sake

    (2:49 PM) Thusness: not to create noise in ur forum

    (2:49 PM) AEN: icic..

    (2:51 PM) Thusness: have u finished reading 'The Sun, My Heart'?

    (2:53 PM) AEN: nope

    (2:53 PM) AEN: i read slowly one leh

    (2:53 PM) AEN: maybe one chapter or less a day

    (2:53 PM) AEN: haha

    (2:53 PM) AEN: thats why i always take a long time to finish a bk

    (2:53 PM) AEN: u wan to get from me isit

    (2:55 PM) Thusness: yeah

    (2:55 PM) Thusness: how is it?

    (2:55 PM) Thusness: have u read it?

    (2:57 PM) AEN: not a lot yet

    (2:57 PM) AEN: i think shld be quite gd


    (3:03 PM) AEN: namdrol also recommend clarifying the natural state for mahamudra :P "


    Must reads are Clarifying the Natural State and Moonlight, Quintessence of Mind and Meditation. As for Buddhist magazines, I can't really say any of them are particularly bad or good-- they are for the most part lineage marketing material; and in the case of Tricycle, it is aimed at Barnes and Nobles Buddhists i.e. the authors you find at B&N are the authors you see in its pages."

    (3:04 PM) Thusness: ic


    (3:04 PM) AEN: no no

    (3:04 PM) AEN: the orange book u had

    (3:05 PM) AEN: last time we discussed b4 mah

    (3:05 PM) AEN: that one is another one.. is not dzogchen, is mahamudra

    (3:05 PM) Thusness: oh...yeah

    (3:05 PM) Thusness: that one is good.

    (3:05 PM) AEN: ic ya

    (3:05 PM) Thusness: yeah...remembered.

    (3:06 PM) AEN: theres another book, a thicker one... by dakpo tashi namgyal, i think more thorough. called Moonlight, Quintessence of Mind and Meditation

    (3:06 PM) Thusness: ic

    (3:06 PM) AEN: oh btw

    (3:06 PM) AEN: wat u tink about this article http://www.iol.ie/~taeger/mahamud/mahamud.html

    (3:16 PM) Thusness: not bad.

    (3:16 PM) AEN: icic..

    (3:17 PM) Thusness: but u know vajrayana got recognition by certain authority is important.

    (3:17 PM) Thusness: lol

    (3:17 PM) Thusness: I do not like to comment about that.  I am only interested in practical experience.

    (3:17 PM) AEN: wat u mean got recognition by certain authority is important.

    (3:18 PM) Thusness: means lineage is important lah

    (3:18 PM) Thusness: for me, i have no interest in this sort of stuff.

    (3:18 PM) Thusness: as long as the practitioner shows direct experience of our luminous and empty nature, he is a true practitioner

    (3:19 PM) Thusness: at my current stage, i am vividly clear of that Buddha's teaching is the way towards liberation.

    (3:19 PM) Thusness: There is no doubt in my experience and practice and Buddha's teaching.

    (3:20 PM) Thusness: I am not particularly concerned about authority. :)

    (3:20 PM) AEN: oic..

    (3:22 PM) Thusness: where u get this url from?

    (3:22 PM) AEN: dunnu leh

    (3:22 PM) AEN: found somewhere then i save it in my browser

    (3:22 PM) Thusness: seach from the web?

    (3:22 PM) AEN: think so