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Pointers by Angelo Grr for those contemplating self-enquiry to realize the I AM.

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Inquiry for First Awakening

The inquiry that leads to first awakening is a funny thing.  We want to know “how” precisely to do that inquiry, which is completely understandable.  The thing is that it’s not wholly conveyable by describing a certain technique.  Really it’s a matter of finding that sweet spot where surrender and intention meet.  I will describe an approach here, but it’s important to keep in mind that in the end, you don’t have the power (as what you take yourself to be) to wake yourself up.  Only Life has that power.  So as we give ourselves to a certain inquiry or practice it’s imperative that we remain open.  We have to keep the portals open to mystery, and possibility.  We have to recognize that the constant concluding that “no this isn’t it, no this isn’t it either...” is simply the activity of the mind.  Those are thoughts.  If we believe a single thought then we will believe the next one and on and on.  If however we recognize that, “oh that doubt is simply a thought arising now,” then we have the opportunity to recognize that that thought will subside on its own... and yet “I” as the knower of that thought am still here!  We can now become fascinated with what is here once that thought (or any thought) subsides.  What is in this gap between thoughts?  What is this pure sense of I, pure sense of knowing, pure sense of Being?  What is this light that can shine on and illuminate a thought (as it does thousands of times per day), and yet still shines when no thought is present.  It is self illuminating.  What is the nature of the one that notices thoughts, is awake and aware before, during, and after a thought, and is not altered in any way by any thought?  Please understand that when you ask these questions you are not looking for a thought answer, the answer is the experience itself.

When we start to allow our attention to relax into this wider perspective we start to unbind ourselves from thought.  We begin to recognize the nature of unbound consciousness by feel, by instinct.  This is the way in.

At first we may conclude that this gap, this thoughtless consciousness is uninteresting, unimportant.  It feels quite neutral, and the busy mind can’t do anything with neutral so we might be inclined to purposely engage thoughts again.  If we recognize that “not interesting, not important, not valuable” are all thoughts and simply return to this fluid consciousness, it will start to expand.  But there is no need to think about expansion or watch for it.  It will do this naturally if we stay with it.   If you are willing to recognize every thought and image in the mind as such, and keep your attention alert but relaxed into the “stuff” of thought that is continuous with the sense of I, it will all take care of itself.  Just be willing to suspend judgement.  Be willing to forego conclusions.  Be willing to let go of all monitoring of your progress, because these are all thoughts.  Be open to the pure experience.  Just return again and again to this place of consciousness with no object or pure sense of I Am.  If you are willing to do this it will teach itself to you in a way that neither I nor anyone I’ve ever seen can explain, but it is more real than real.

Happy Travels.

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Yesterday someone told me he watched Angelo Grr's videos but it doesn't resonate because he is already post I AM (in fact post nondual and going into anatta) and most of the videos are talking about I AM. I told him I added Angelo's youtube channel to the reading list on my AtR blog, and he should check out the No-Self section in https://www.youtube.com/@SimplyAlwaysAwake/playlists

Basically the youtube videos are categorised, and you can find relevant videos for different phases of insights based on the playlist sections. Like Non-Duality is probably the nondual phase of insight, no-self is more on anatta, inquiry and consciousness I believe is more for I AM. There's something out there for everyone. Angelo Grr can clarify if I'm wrong.

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Soh Wei Yu Exactly. I really tried to categorize things by playlist. Non-dual and no-self etc.

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I notice that people who seem to be very highly realised can also have very human perspectives. How does this work?  

For example, I see posts that rant about politics on the social media pages of spiritual teachers and other people who describe profound insights into the nature of reality. I met someone recently who has had a number of insightful ‘spiritual experiences’ through self-inquiry and meditation and yet he is passionately anti-vax and talks at length about 5G. 

If one can really see that everything is ultimately an illusion and that as individuals we are avatars in a dream; ultimately there is only one consciousness, why do we care about our children let alone politics or vaccines? Is the body-mind wired to think it and it’s environment is real? 

Any thoughts would be appreciated, as I have no direct spiritual insights of my own to draw on. Thanks.

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John Tan spoke about the dangers of climate change back in 2007.

Sim Pern Chong (first to realize anatta from I AM through conversation with John Tan/Thusness back in 2006/2007):

Reading the news nowadays about global warming and its effects, sets me pondering...

Global warming and Earth changes perhaps are our collective karmas.

I think we must seriously do our part in reducing the effects... like use less aircon, etc. All of us are guilty of it. Embarassed

I forsee a future that may not be as comfortable or luxurious as we wanted to be... as we live the collective karmic effect of humanity's action.

I alway believe that we humans are not that special and are not the centre attraction of this planet. If we don't wake up, nature will sobber us through its brute power. We always think that science and inventions are so all powerful... but we have greatly underestimated the complexity of co-habitating with the rest of the planet.

Sorry for the preaching...

John Tan/Thusness:

Hi Longchen,

I don’t think you are preaching; your message is timely; the weather is getting so erratic. It is quite alarming to realize that at the rate we are consuming the earth resources, it may only last for another few hundred years. It won’t take long for us to destroy our own habitats and that, is just few generation away; although we may not live to see the disastrous, we have to think a little for the future generations. We are abusing the natural systems.

I believe many are not aware of the harm and educations do play a role. Prior to taking environmental science decades back, I had absolutely no idea about the impact and consequences of pollutions. The idea that ‘resources will come to an end’ never existed.

Even with adequate education, developing nations are so helpless due to their poverty. Developed nations lure these nations into commitments. I shall not dwell deeper into it but the rapid disappearance of forests in many parts of the world is what caused the extra half carbon dioxide to be added to the atmosphere. Reducing the CO2 emissions is not just getting rid of CFCs, land use change is a major issue.

Locally, a taxation policy driven towards pro-green policies may help. At present the economic penalties are so small that it hardly drives people away from the demand of CFC sources. Internationally certain sorts of agreements are also necessary for nations to adhere to policies that will slow down greenhouse gases emission. Global warming is an international issue, If China, for example, continues to double their coal consumption every decade, it would do little help even all other countries put in effort.

Lastly we must be careful of futuristic renewable energy. I think very soon the world will turn to nuclear as an alternative source of energy. Is using nuclear is viable solution? I hope we are not replacing “flu with cancer”. I hope we do not replace ecological insecurity with nuclear threat. Neutral

JonLS:

Is global warming really a problem?

Or are we all under the hypnotic illusion of a collective thought called "global warming"?

John Tan/Thusness:

Even the enlightened respects all illusions.

Source: https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2014/07/part-3-of-early-forum-posts-by-thusness_10.html

Part 3 of Early Forum Posts by Thusness

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Buddhism does not lead to nihilism (Everything does not exists), emptiness should not be mistaken as that. In fact if you are into total exertion then you should become more aware of the interconnection and seamlessness with the entire environment, that should make you more environmentally aware instead of less.

And as for vaccine, I am pro vaccine for a very simple and pragmatic reason: the net benefits of vaccine in terms of saving and protecting life vastly outweighs its cons and the dangers from getting covid.

From a Buddhist perspective, human life is one of the most precious and rare things, and we should protect it, make our life as long and healthy as possible not because for personal enjoyment but because it is the vessel which we can use to practice the dharma and attain liberation, full awakening, and help others awaken. Our views on vaccines should not be political but based on science and facts.

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"ultimately there is only one consciousness"

This is not the view post anatta realisation. More about it in http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2018/12/the-tendency-to-extrapolate-universal.html and the related posts

The Tendency to Extrapolate a Universal Consciousness

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The Tendency to Extrapolate a Universal Consciousness

The Tendency to Extrapolate a Universal Consciousness

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Soh, this post is brilliant. Thanks!

You wrote: “It is important to refine the understanding of Presence through the four aspects: impersonality, degree of luminosity, dissolving the need to re-confirm and understanding why it is unnecessary, and effortlessness.”

Is the luminosity the light that you mention is present in all religions in the piece of writing that Angelo posted?

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Sarah Luna Yes, but in this particular context the degree of luminosity is related to the second factor of the four maturing aspects of I AM (or the aspects one should focus post the I AM realization): http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2018/12/four-aspects-of-i-am.html

Four Aspects of I AM

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Sarah Luna Also this article may interest you on the AtR term 'luminosity': http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2019/02/the-transient-universe-has-heart.html

The Transient Universe has a Heart

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As a sidenote, once John Tan told me something like, “Take your medicines when you're sick. Don't become an idealist." I agree. I am not into the sort of subjective idealism that thinks you should just mentally will yourself to heal without any medicin… See more

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This is a good description of total exertion from a nature and ecological standpoint: https://www.facebook.com/EmpathyMedia/videos/1508128232558588/?__cft__[0]=AZX1lRkMSf-bqeyinR4Uerd6H4-wTmT7VWKC-QbV7V_BzH8E1k2DQLHWXDVNBS0mchHW8us-Hxo015tT6jhhe-jPL4aIYOrWFUCdHo_Qd9XHhuSLyRb3AFbCKXN8aAjyMYUcf9WFNSlO4SFyEnXfaxcx3tiy753YmyWX8OF1A4RsGw&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-y-R

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Sarah Luna

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Soh, beautiful. I would like to experience the world in this way.

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“To study Buddhism, it is first necessary to clarify cause and effect. If one ignores cause and effect one will develop false views and sever the roots of goodness. The principle of cause and effect is very clear and there is no “I” in it: those who create evil will fall and those who practice good will rise, without a hairsbreadth of disparity between the two. If cause and effect had perished and ceased to be, then the buddhas would not have appeared in the world, the founding teacher would not have come from the West, and sentient beings would never have met the Buddha and heard the Dharma. People like Confucius or Lao-tse do not propound the principle of cause and effect. Only the buddhas and Zen ancestors have made this clear.” – A quote of Zen Master Dogen in Yamada, Kōun. Zen: The Authentic Gate (p. 149). Wisdom Publications. Kindle Edition.”

“To summarize, the principle of cause and effect is quite clear, and it is totally impersonal: those who fabricate evil will fall into a lower state, whereas those who practice good will rise to a higher state, and without the slightest disparity. If cause and effect had become null and void, Buddhas would never have appeared in the world and our Ancestral Master would not have come from the West. In short, it would be impossible for human beings to encounter a Buddha and hear the Dharma. The fundamental principle of cause and effect was not clear to Confucius or Lao-tzu. It has only been clarified and Transmitted by Buddha after Buddha and by Ancestor after Ancestor. Because the good fortune of those who are seeking to learn in these degenerate days of the Dharma is scant, they do not encounter a genuine Master or hear the authentic Dharma, and so they are not clear about cause and effect. If you deny causality as a result of this error, you will experience excessive misfortune, since you would be as ignorant as an ox or a horse. Even if you have not committed any evil act other than denying cause and effect, the poison of this view will immediately be terrible. Therefore, if you who are exploring the Matter through your training with a Master have put your heart that seeks awakening as the first and foremost matter, and therefore wish to repay the vast benevolence of the Buddhas and the Ancestors, you should swiftly clarify what causality really is.” - Zen Master Dogen, https://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/088jinshiInga.pdf

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Sarah Luna

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Soh, what is ‘evil’ and what is ‘good’?

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Sarah Luna Strictly speaking in Buddhism we don't use the words evil and good, but rather wholesome (kusala) and unwholesome (akusala), or, virtuous and nonvirtuous.

“Buddhism accounts for ethics in the context of the ten natural nonvirtues, which it considers the core frame around which all secular and religious morals and ethics are constructed.

Most of these morals and ethics involve various interpretations of the constraints upon persons these ten natural nonvirtues impose upon our personal conduct.” – Dzogchen teacher Acarya Malcolm Smith, 2020

The Buddha taught:

“The Wholesome and the Unwholesome

3. "When, friends, a noble disciple understands the unwholesome, the root of the unwholesome, the wholesome, and the root of the wholesome, in that way he is one of right view, whose view is straight, who has perfect confidence in the Dhamma, and has arrived at this true Dhamma.

4. "And what, friends, is the unwholesome, what is the root of the unwholesome, what is the wholesome, what is the root of the wholesome? Killing living beings is unwholesome; taking what is not given is unwholesome; misconduct in sensual pleasures is unwholesome; false speech is unwholesome; malicious speech is unwholesome; harsh speech is unwholesome; gossip is unwholesome; covetousness is unwholesome; ill will is unwholesome; wrong view is unwholesome. This is called the unwholesome.

5. "And what is the root of the unwholesome? Greed is a root of the unwholesome; hate is a root of the unwholesome; delusion is a root of the unwholesome. This is called the root of the unwholesome.

6. "And what is the wholesome? Abstention from killing living beings is wholesome; abstention from taking what is not given is wholesome; abstention from misconduct in sensual pleasures is wholesome; abstention from false speech is wholesome; abstention from malicious speech is wholesome; abstention from harsh speech is wholesome; abstention from gossip is wholesome; non-covetousness is wholesome; non-ill will is wholesome; right view is wholesome. This is called the wholesome.

7. "And what is the root of the wholesome? Non-greed is a root of the wholesome; non-hate is a root of the wholesome; non-delusion is a root of the wholesome. This is called the root of the wholesome.

8. "When a noble disciple has thus understood the unwholesome, the root of the unwholesome, the wholesome, and the root of the wholesome, he entirely abandons the underlying tendency to lust, he abolishes the underlying tendency to aversion, he extirpates the underlying tendency to the view and conceit 'I am,' and by abandoning ignorance and arousing true knowledge he here and now makes an end of suffering. In that way too a noble disciple is one of right view, whose view is straight, who has perfect confidence in the Dhamma and has arrived at this true Dhamma."” - https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.009.ntbb.html

Sammaditthi Sutta: The Discourse on Right View

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From my unenlightened perspective, cause and effect seem pretty obvious. I once heard it described as ‘contingency’, which I found useful, as cause and effect sound very linear in terms of language.

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Sarah Luna

On a coarse level it seems obvious for most people.

But the subtlety and depths of dependent origination is very deep. It is a core insight of Buddha.

Partial excerpt from

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/DN/DN15.html

I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was living among the Kurus. Now, the Kurus have a town named Kammāsadhamma. There Ven. Ānanda approached the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: “It’s amazing, lord, it’s astounding, how deep this dependent co-arising is, and how deep its appearance, and yet to me it seems as clear as clear can be.”

(The Buddha:) “Don’t say that, Ānanda. Don’t say that. Deep is this dependent co-arising, and deep its appearance. It’s because of not understanding and not penetrating this Dhamma that this generation is like a tangled skein, a knotted ball of string, like matted rushes and reeds, and does not go beyond transmigration, beyond the planes of deprivation, woe, & bad destinations.

DN 15  Mahā Nidāna Sutta | The Great Causes Discourse

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Sarah Luna John wrote in 2014, "Be it Buddha himself, Nagarjuna or Tsongkhapa, none [of them] never got overwhelmed and amazed with the profundity of dependent origination. It is just that we do not have the wisdom to penetrate enough depth of it." and "Actually if you do not see Dependent Origination, you do not see Buddhism [i.e. the essence of Buddhadharma]. Anatta is just the beginning."

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Sarah Luna

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I liked the story about the fox. So, was the problem that although the Abbot was highly realised, his ego got in the way? Or was he just a bit deluded?

I do notice an awful lot of ego in the awakening arena….primarily in men. But this could be just my perception.

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Sarah Luna He is falling into nihilism despite a little bit of attainment or insight, basically negating or denying cause and effect.

Excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_fox_koan

The kōan

Main case

Tanahashi gives the following rendering of the koan:[1]

Every time Baizhang, Zen Master Dahui, gave a dharma talk, a certain old man would come to listen. He usually left after the talk, but one day he remained. Baizhang asked, "Who is there?"

The man said, "I am not actually a human being. I lived and taught on this mountain at the time of Kashyapa Buddha. One day a student asked me, 'Does a person who practices with great devotion still fall into cause and effect?' I said to him, 'No, such a person doesn't.' Because I said this I was reborn as a wild fox for five hundred lifetimes. Reverend master, please say a turning word for me and free me from this wild fox body." Then he asked Baizhang, "Does a person who practices with great devotion still fall into cause and effect?"

Baizhang said, "Don't ignore cause and effect."

Immediately the man had great realization. Bowing, he said, "I am now liberated from the body of a wild fox. I will stay in the mountain behind the monastery. Master, could you perform the usual services for a deceased monk for me?"

Baizhang asked the head of the monks' hall to inform the assembly that funeral services for a monk would be held after the midday meal. The monks asked one another, "What's going on? Everyone is well; there is no one sick in the Nirvana Hall." After their meal, Baizhang led the assembly to a large rock behind the monastery and showed them a dead fox at the rock's base. Following the customary procedure, they cremated the body.

That evening during his lecture in the dharma hall Baizhang talked about what had happened that day. Huangbo asked him, "A teacher of old gave a wrong answer and became a wild fox for five hundred lifetimes. What if he hadn't given a wrong answer?"

Baizhang said, "Come closer and I will tell you." Huangbo went closer and slapped Baizhang's face. Laughing, Baizhang clapped his hands and said, "I thought it was only barbarians who had unusual beards. But you too have an unusual beard!"[1][a]

Wumen's commentary and poem

Shibayama gives the following translation of Wumen's commentary and verse:

"Not falling into causation." Why was he turned into a fox? "Not ignoring causation." Why was he released from the fox body? If you have an eye to see through this, then you will know that the former head of the monastery did enjoy his five hundred happy blessed lives as a fox.[5]

Not falling, not ignoring:

Odd and even are on one die.

Not ignoring, not falling:

Hundreds and thousands of regrets![5]

Wild fox koan - Wikipedia

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So someone can be very highly realised and still have some ideas and views that are odd or controversial? So I wouldn’t necessarily take an awakened person’s advice on my mortgage repayments, for example?

I had equated enlightenment with wisdom…

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Sarah Luna Unless you are an omniscient Buddha (and it is a point of contention whether the Buddha literally knows everything or not, such as how to build a rocket ship, or simply is omniscient as to the nature of all dharmas and the realms of existences and so on), you cannot possibly know everything in the world, such as how to build a rocket ship to reach planet Jupiter.

But a truly and deeply awakened person will be free of the causes (ignorance, craving, aggression/anger, delusion, egoity, and so on) that leads to unwholesome actions like lying. Even those awakened to the level of stream entry will have reduced those mental afflictions to a very large extent, let alone an arahant or an eighth bhumi bodhisattva who have completely eliminated all traces of mental afflictions.

I can tell you that I am awakened, but I know next to nothing about giving people advice for mortgage repayment. I will not lie to you that I am an expert on mortgage repayment.

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Sarah Luna Whereas John Tan is a financial and business consultant with a very very large net worth which I shall not disclose, and is an expert on all matters related to finance and business, my knowledge in these areas are basically nothing. Of course this does not mean John Tan is an expert in all other fields, such as making fine art and paintings (he might be an expert in that too but I am not sure).

The only advise on finance I can give is what the Buddha taught: https://essenceofbuddhism.wordpress.com/.../the-buddhas.../

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The Buddha’s advice to lay people like us if we want to look after our families – is to accumulate wealth – then family and household life can follow:

The wise endowed with virtue Shine forth like a burning fire.

Gathering wealth as bees do honey and heaping it up like an ant hill. Once wealth is accumulated, family and household life may follow.

By dividing wealth into four parts, True friendships are bound;

One part should be enjoyed;

Two parts invested in business;

And the fourth set aside Against future misfortunes.

So, in the Sigalovada Sutta (which has lots of good advice for lay followers), the Buddha said – divide your pay (after tax) into 4 parts:

25% – 1 Part to be enjoyed and used however you want

50% – 2 Parts to be invested in business

25% – 1 Part to be saved for emergencies

Obviously you don’t have to have exactly these percentages – but it gives you a rough idea cos each part can be a smaller part of a bigger part according to your personal circumstances."

The Buddha’s guidelines on how to look after your money

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Soh, it’s great that John Tan wasn’t distracted by that huge fortune he has. He sounds like an interesting man. He is still alive?

So if someone who has had some realisations gives me advice that isn’t relevant to awakening I should just ignore it, unless they happen to be an expert in the field….

Can people’s ideas get in the way of further development in their awakening? I suppose if nothing else, being obsessed about politics or vaccines or whatever can be distracting…

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"Soh, it’s great that John Tan wasn’t distracted by that huge fortune he has. He sounds like an interesting man. He is still alive?"

He is alive but he is reclusive. He is not attached to worldly life even though he has a huge fortune and a family. He said he never saw conventional life as so important other than responsibilities, so he spends more hours on practice now. He meditates at least 2 hours a day in addition to regularly practicing yoga and so on. Sometimes he meditates much more than that when he does self retreats.

"So if someone who has had some realisations gives me advice that isn’t relevant to awakening I should just ignore it, unless they happen to be an expert in the field…."

That's fair to say. You do not need to ignore it, you can consider it, but you still need to exercise your own discernment and research.

"Can people’s ideas get in the way of further development in their awakening? I suppose if nothing else, being obsessed about politics or vaccines or whatever can be distracting…"

Only if there is grasping. There is nothing wrong with having opinions, especially when it is based on facts. For example, my pro vaccine stance is backed by scientific evidence on the relative safety and efficacy of vaccines, it is in my opinion in the best interest of everyone to get vaccinated. But grasping on an anti vaccine stance seems to imply some sort of ignorance or grasping by the person even when such stance goes against scientific consensus and would be harmful to the person and those that gets influenced by the person holding the view. It could also just be plain ignorance if the person is gullible enough to buy into fake news and just poor sources of (mis)information.

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Just saw this post. Just wanted to second Soh’s opinion.

Awakening just means they have the knowledge of true nature.

Not the “knowledge” of the functionality of conventional human life. It’s very different.

Teacher that pretends to know what they don’t are dangerous.

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Sarah Luna

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Yin, thanks. Ah yes, it seems obvious!

And yet I’m listening to Rupert Spira on a live zoom call now, giving people advice on how to do their jobs and behave in their relationships. And this seems reasonable to me, given that these people are asking him about how to behave as if they are awakened.

But if they were to ask him which politician to vote for or if they should take a vaccine, and he were to give them a concrete answer, that wouldn’t feel right.

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Sarah Luna yup. I used to think like that too, awakened ones know what best to do.

Actually imo I think they don’t really. They just can see things in a more “whole” or holistic way rather than self based and not allowed their defilements to step in, so there is less bias, so they sort of know what is “best” karmically.

Worldly situation is another ballgame lol.

I always feel damn awkward when someone ask a monastic .. how to bring up children? How to maintain a relationship? How to do a job well? How to not anger ur boss? 🤣

I mean.. what do they have reference on to guide u?!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Especially on vaccines. There’s so many ppl who ask spiritual persons on vaccine when there are scientists around. And it’s even crazier when a person who clearly don’t understand anything about vaccine tells other ppl not to take because of xyz. They don’t even understand basic immunology and don’t have the humility to admit that they don’t know. That happened so much and is so so so so dangerous.

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Sarah Luna I fully agree with Yin Ling. As for spiritual teachers giving advice on jobs and relationships, it is not to say they are not without their value. Sometimes they can offer good advise. Sometimes not. You still have to discern for yourself. A non-contracted way of functioning in daily life, jobs and relationships, that is to say, how you behave in an non-dually engaged intimacy with work, with your job, with your loved ones, and yet non-attached, that is what spiritual teachers should hopefully guide people into. Non-dual, fully engaged, yet liberated, without any sense of self/Self and without any grasping.

For example, just to pick one quote from Thich Nhat Hanh, "'You must love in such a way that the person you love feels free.'"

A lot of wisdom there. In many ways, a non-liberative way of functioning in relationships can spoil the relationship. Clinginess, controlling and demanding, etc, these are not attractive traits that keep your relationship stable. But there are so many other factors involved other than just these.

Therefore, if you need professional counseling for your marriage for example, you should still find a professional marriage counsellor rather than find Thich Nhat Hanh or Rupert Spira. Even if the wisdom of the latter can be of value in relationships, they are not the be all and end all experts on marriage and relationships. A counsellor with 10 or 20 years of experience saving marriages may be your best bet than the monk or nun at a monastery, because they truly have seen it all, they have all the experience helping people out with those specific set of issues.

Thich Nhat Hanh can teach you how to be liberated, how to be fully anatta and total exertion even when doing your job, and through that you may directly or indirectly become better at doing your job, but he may not be able to tell you the details of what it takes for you to be promoted in your career (except as general dharmic advise), or what is the career best suited for you, etc. You may need to find a job counsellor.

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Destin Ntukogu Usually there is attachment, but it can also be out of compassion. Buddha was also politically active in a limited way by counseling kings, and so on. The second most famous Buddhist master in modern times (right after the Dalai Lama), Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh was well known for being politically active by advocating anti vietnam war, etc. He started a movement called Engaged Buddhism, which combined meditation and anti-war work. Both Buddha and Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh are truly awakened beings, there is no doubt in my mind that even when engaged in such activities they are totally liberated, totally anatta, totally no-mind.

Liberation is not about avoiding activities or the world. But in the midst of activities, there must be no grasping, and action arise spontaneously out of compassion rather than self grasping.

Acarya Malcolm Smith: "Well, in those past lives, the Buddha was not a bhikṣu, etc. When the Buddha counseled kings, it was usually to not invade someone else. 🙂"

Malcolm also said: "Buddhists have been engaged in politics since the time of the Buddha. The Buddha himself was consulted concerning politics and rulership. But spiritual bypassing is a trend..."

"One does not have a political position to be involved in politics. If one is giving advice to rulers, that is unavoidably political."

"No, "Spiritual bypassing", a term from psychology, refers very specifically using one's religious practice as an excuse not to deal with the world, warts and all. The term was coined in 1984 by a Buddhist practitioner, the late John Welwood, the director of the East/West Psychology program at the California Institute of Integral Studies.

Here is a good definition for you:

Spirituality is a fundamental dimension of wellness. However, scholars have noted that not all spiritual processes are healthy. One of those processes is spiritual bypass, defined as a defensive psychological posture cultivated by a tendency to privilege spiritual beliefs or experiences over and against psychological needs creating a means of avoiding or bypassing difficult emotions or experiences.

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Politics is difficult. A lot of people use their spiritual beliefs as an excuse for not dealing that difficulty, fleeing the world, rather than dealing with it. For example, the way Buddha dealt the enslavement of the Śākyas. He watched. He did not flee. He observed."

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Destin Ntukogu

Soh Wei Yu oh trust me, i have very strong political beliefs that are actually bolstered by my affinity for buddhism. like i said, i don’t think disinterest precludes action in the world, so i’m not surprised by buddhists like Thich Nhat Hanh’s activism. i also don’t think anyone who’s enlightened wouldn’t have thought about the world deeply. i only think that there comes a point where you realize there’s nothing to fix, nothing that can be fixed, and nothing that has ever been broken. so i don’t despair because of a new war, a new outrage, a new spectacle. my concerns are not directed at transforming social structures, building new economies, new legislation, it’s only individuals.

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Destin Ntukogu

Yes. The Buddha has complete dispassion and compassion at the same time, and continue to teach sentient beings tirelessly for 49 years after awakening even if he realised none are truly existent.

Dispassion without compassion is nihilistic and without heart. Compassion without dispassion is just being caught up in samsara, no liberation.

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Soh Wei Yu

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Dispassion as in no clinging, no craving, not as in the opposite of compassion.

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Soh Wei Yu

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Was reminded of these excerpts also

“When anatta matures, one is fully and completely integrated into whatever arises till there is no difference and no distinction.

When sound arises, fully and completely embraced with sound yet non-attached. Similarly, in life we must be fully engaged yet non-attached” - John Tan/Thusness

“Actually there is no forcing. All the 4 aspects in I AMness are fully expressed in anatta as I told you. If aliveness is everywhere, how is one not to engage… it is a natural [tendency] to explore in [various] arena[s] and enjoy in business, family, spiritual practices... I [am] involve[d] in Finance, business, society, nature, spirituality, yoga...🤣🤣🤣. I don't find it efforting… You just don't have to boast about this and that and be non-dual and open.” - John Tan, 2019

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Soh Wei Yu

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Personally, I am not politically engaged or active because my own country is very stable, and neither am I interested in influencing the politics of other countries. It might not be so if I lived somewhere else.

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Roger Hiduk

This explains it. The difference between stages (growing up) and states ( waking up).

https://youtu.be/8zz95MHLjfo

The Leading Edge Of The Unknown In The Human Being: Ken Wilber

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The Leading Edge Of The Unknown In The Human Being: Ken Wilber

The Leading Edge Of The Unknown In The Human Being: Ken Wilber

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Sarah Luna

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Thanks! Will listen.

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Cuthbert Syabbalo

I was inquiring on this question and I got an insight saying "If your eye is one, your whole being is full of light, but if not, then darkness still dwells in you."

I would like to share the image of a mirror which is a great symbol in Buddhism. I daresay that the universe and all we are experiencing is a mirror unto ourselves, and when we see variances, then we know it is a signal & message to us that we have not achieved clarity. We should be as clear as possible, with literally no sediments in our water.

When I thought of some people with great insights still grasping onto things like politics, the economy & all that, I realised I was looking at an error in myself in that when I saw, I made judgement that this is good/bad. I harbored an opinion about how an insightful person should be, of which such variance arises from self which doesn't exit. An illusion that births illusions... Interesting!

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Roger Hiduk

This explains it. The difference between stages (growing up) and states ( waking up).

https://youtu.be/8zz95MHLjfo

The Leading Edge Of The Unknown In The Human Being: Ken Wilber

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The Leading Edge Of The Unknown In The Human Being: Ken Wilber

The Leading Edge Of The Unknown In The Human Being: Ken Wilber

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Sarah Luna

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Thanks! Will listen.

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Sarah Luna

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Roger, this video is so interesting. Stage 2 is horrific! I’d rather meet someone in stage 1 any day…

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Roger Hiduk

Sarah Luna integral theory is worth digging into imo. Interestingly we progress through the stages, so that stage is part of our development too.

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Sarah Luna

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Roger, growing up with Tibetan Buddhist parents in a school that forced Christianity down my throat ensured that I missed stage 2. I probably spent many years in stage 1 without even having had any awakening experiences though!!

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Cuthbert Syabbalo

I was inquiring on this question and I got an insight saying "If your eye is one, your whole being is full of light, but if not, then darkness still dwells in you."

I would like to share the image of a mirror which is a great symbol in Buddhism. I daresay that the universe and all we are experiencing is a mirror unto ourselves, and when we see variances, then we know it is a signal & message to us that we have not achieved clarity. We should be as clear as possible, with literally no sediments in our water.

When I thought of some people with great insights still grasping onto things like politics, the economy & all that, I realised I was looking at an error in myself in that when I saw, I made judgement that this is good/bad. I harbored an opinion about how an insightful person should be, of which such variance arises from self which doesn't exit. An illusion that births illusions... Interesting!

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Thanks so much for all the responses. My thinking was a bit mixed up when I asked my question. My excuse is that I am probably the least awakened person in this group.

I realise now that my question was twofold:

a) Why do awakened people care about anything in their everyday lives, given that they have firsthand insight into illusory nature of it.

b) Why do some people who have had profound experiences of awakening rant online or face to face to people interested in their spiritual growth and attracted to them for spiritual purposes about their perspectives on topics such as vaccines, 5G, American politics and so on?

Soh helped me to understand that awakening can involve being clearly and maybe even experimentally aware of dependent origination. And so when an awakened person has a reasonable level of emotional maturity, the welfare of others, the suffering of others and so on really matters.

The other comments helped me to understand that awakening experiences in and of themselves don’t make people wise, knowledgeable, psychologically balanced and, most importantly, aware of the limitations of their beliefs and ideas.

Roger posted a really interesting video about the concept of ‘growing up’ and its influence on awakening. In the video, Ken Wilbur describes an interesting example of “…several zen masters, highly respected for the depth of their non-dual enlightenment or waking up…advocating many ideas that are obviously and embarrassingly ethnocentric, prejudiced, and bigoted.”

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Sarah Luna Post anatta (means Stage 5 and 6 of http://www.awakeningtoreality.com/.../thusnesss-six... at least) one should be relatively psychologically balanced. It is not clear however if they will be very knowledgeable in non-spiritual subjects. They may have differing and unique opinions on matters, like any one of us. They may also harbor some inaccurate beliefs about mundane matters. However, I do not expect any deeply realised and actualized people to lie or pretend they are experts or knowledgeable about something they don't, however. Their actions will arise in alignment with truth, honesty, sincerity, rather than egotism and negative emotions.

Also as Kyle Dixon wrote about his experience post anatta:

"...The anatta definitely severed many emotional afflictions, for the most part I don't have negative emotions anymore. And either the anatta or the strict shamatha training has resulted in stable shamatha where thoughts have little effect and are diminished by the force of clarity. I'm also able to control them, stopping them for any amount of desired time etc. But I understand that isn't what is important. Can I fully open to whatever arises I would say yes. I understand that every instance of experience is fully appearing to itself as the radiance of clarity, yet timelessly disjointed and unsubstantiated.." - Kyle Dixon, 2013

“The conditions for this subtle identification are not undone until anatta is realized.

Anatta realization is like a massive release of prolonged tension, this is how John put it once at least. Like a tight fist, that has been tight for lifetimes, is suddenly relaxed. There is a great deal of power in the event. The nature of this realization is not often described in traditional settings, I have seen Traga Rinpoche discuss it. Jñāna is very bright and beautiful. That brightness is traditionally the “force” that “burns” the kleśas.

The reservoir of traces and karmic imprints is suddenly purged by this wonderful, violent brightness. After this occurs negative emotions are subdued and for the most part do not manifest anymore. Although this is contingent upon the length of time one maintains that equipoise.” - Kyle Dixon, 2019

“Prajñā “burns” karma, only when in awakened equipoise. Regular meditation does not.” - Kyle Dixon, 2021

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Sarah Luna Awakened people can still be mistaken about relative things. But I believe they will be open to being corrected when presented with facts, will be careful to align themselves with truths rather than hold tightly to unfounded beliefs due to egotism.

I would question and doubt the depth of anyone's awakening if they do not at least have that 'standard' in their conduct. Conduct does reflect one's depth of awakening. I am not an advocate of a deep awakening being possibly divorced from conduct, and neither does John Tan. Conduct that arises due to craving, aggression, delusion and egotism is a sign that the person's awakening is not really that deep.

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"awakening experiences in and of themselves don’t make people... ...knowledgeable"

This part is correct.

A truly awakened person is spiritually wise, but may not be knowledgeable. They have the prajna wisdom that liberates all sufferings and delusions, which is different from worldly knowledge. They also may not have the sort of 'growing wisdom' that is the mundane life wisdom gained through unique life experiences. A monk for example may not understand what it is like to face a boss at work, or the problems encountered in relationships and so on, unless they used to live a lay person's life for some period of time.

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Sarah Luna

1) illusoriness doesn’t take away karma, this ppl don’t understand properly.

Even if I see illusoriness, if my patient is having depression, and if I ignore it and not help her, i am just not being wise, I’m stupid. We don’t ignore causality, we see it more clearly actually, and usualy properly awakened ones, those who truly understand , they are more compassionate, respectful, their conduct is tight, and they doesn’t harm unnecessarily.

If u see those who claim awakening and go out of their way to criticise others, take everything personally, think they are so clever and try to teach everyone to follow them 😂 stay away 😂. They r not awakened however they want to talk philosophy.

2) perspectives are okay, one can do anything they like, but strong grasping of “I am right u r 100% wrong” that kind of ideology smells fishy to me.

I find awakening gives one a taste of a very very open, boundless, gentle, soft, malleable experiential feeling moment to moment, dream like, everything is okay, acceptable and very soft and compassionate. Everything tinge with beauty and bliss. One is happy. It calms the heart and make one wants to help, never to harm. Very natural.

So when I meet with someone who doesn’t have those qualities, or are hard, belligerent, provocative, rude, haughty… I am not sure, what r they actually experiencing when they say awakening?

That’s how I see it 🙂

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心点亮心的法宝——自明本缘生无我。

放下对过往的挑剔,平等慈心一切时,即是不满之“我”的伪装卸除时。

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生命中一切感觉状态必然都是众条件相互且相续影响的结果,也就可以说,都必然是“该”发生的。

生命状态本来“无我”,来见证这个真相,才是彻底解决我们生活中,心灵总有贪嗔不满的唯一方向。

而唯有放下挑剔的心态、思路,就必然能见证到它。

方法就这么简单。

具体如何实践此法呢?

当下已是觉知,当下必是发生,所以,觉知就是发生,它还是什么?!——还是心呀!

发生必有过往,必在生灭,佛法的正观修行到此为止!

过往生灭(各种感受状态),正不停发生着,无论叫投入迷失状态、放开不执状态、旁观式状态……这都是那觉知的心本身的各种呈现状态!

回归到这个角度体验时,它已经自然超越了有个观察者、觉知者,打掉了观者、知者之“我”,才会逐渐不生造作心态,只剩“无挑剔”的觉知心态的不停相续生灭过往的突出体验,而最终会自然生起“根本无我”心态,破除心认知心自己是我、有我的妄想,这也才是能根除烦恼的佛法,所要找的那个事实真相——缘生无我真正呈现的状态。

正观,就是到此为止,至于其后的——生灭皆因缘起,缘起自然无我,这是它正观因缘具足后,自然会产生的了知效果的必然,不用去理这些了,只有“当下——觉知(发生)的即生即灭”是我们的关注点。

觉知心无所住,不可得。所以,不是放下什么,是见证——一切觉知状态,也就是心,也就是现实发生,本自然生即灭去,本不可得。

注意,这里“现实发生”始终是指涵盖所缘对象的整体觉知感受,就是一个个心态本身,也就是一个个觉知心。

因为佛法是根除心中烦恼的方法,是心法,佛法过程都没离过此心(觉知)。

不论怎样,唯体验当下觉知状态,也就是发生状态的无法住停不变!最终见证其无常乃至被条件逼迫的无我性,从而破除了导致我们凡夫,贪嗔痴不满心态不断再生的,最根本的错误认知——有我。

烦恼的根除在心上,佛法是心对心自己的真相见证,当下的发生状态也就特指心的状态,就是我们的觉知状态,众生现象也是指此。

所以,觉观无常过往,不是指对觉知内容里的一个个对象,只去观它们的过往生灭,那还如何生活、工作呢。比如做饭时需各种具体分别的操作,看个手机也都是有步骤,方方面面都是如此需觉知、分别、思判……那样的话,恐怕生存都谈不上了。

因为啊,生活中的正常的分别取舍,并不是导致烦恼的有无的原因所在。而是觉知状态本身的是否有我的真相见证决定了烦恼不满的有无,再不再生。

所以呢,注意了,不是去觉知身体的无常,直接回到觉知着身体的这个觉知状态上来,受想行识也一样的,不需或说实际也就不存在刻意找或求啊,各种想法出来的状态,它们也必然地是变换过往不住的……呈现着这个真相的。

由此也可见,佛法本质上,它所见证的缘生法,不是对这个世间里边的各种事物、现象都了知,它们是否缘生的。

其实呢,世人也一直在这么研究着,研究着世界的方方面面。如研究身体,它们的确是由细胞乃至分子电子组成的,无一不是条件组合、无常变化的。感受也是这样的……这些,古今的人们不都研究了嘛,也见证了它们无常且无独立性。

实际上,佛法不需要去研究这些。什么意思?因为一般情况,你本来就知道,它们不是你,因为那是你的身体,你的感受,你的想法,你的某某某,或别人的某某某……那些都是你的或别人的,怎么会是你?这个你,也就是这个我在哪儿?怎么去见证其有无呢?

所以说,这个世间、宇宙啥的,佛陀说了,有常还是无常,生命何时开始结束,世界里边或可能外边,那里有没有一个永恒的事物,还是都是无常的?佛陀其实是否定回答这类问题的,为什么?道理就在这儿,也就是说,他所针对的缘生无我,只是我们当下生命状态,也就是觉知状态,这个觉知的发生状态,或说心理各状态,它是无我的,他不是必须去研究里边的那些内容的发生状态,是不是恒常还是无常,他是指的这个意思。

你或许会问了,经典里不是说,像阿含经里提到的,观色(身)无常吗?那不是观身体吗?的确不是,而是观身体时的这个觉知状态,也即心理状态。那,它为什么还提这个观字呢?因为,在我们同样一种觉知状态,如昏沉、发呆、无想的时候,那个时候就没法觉知到无常。

所以,观无常这个观指的是,在我们相对清醒的时候,在清醒的觉知状态的时候,觉知各个所缘的时候,这个时候才能够体会到这个觉知状态,也就是生命状态的那个缘生无我性。

如果不是在觉知状态本身的自然关注上呢,就必然陷入到觉知所缘里,即觉知内容的关注上了,自然就会设立一个观者、知者角度,也就是“我”,也必然开始了造作式“观”,也必生两种结局之一:

一种呢,这个觉观者(灵、我)见证了其外的一切“缘生无常无我”,而觉观者(灵、我)却是恒常的,待死后或活着出离、摆脱身心世间后,便能脱离这无常之苦。这是多数外道法之归宿,终不能当下见证不满的止息,活着的未来亦不能。

另一种,因有佛法正见为导向,发现仍有“实我”认知存在,这显然不符合佛法中“无我”观,便会反思、寻找之前“缘生无常无我”的漏洞,最终可能会见证到,原来这“觉观者”也是生命状态下,生灭不断发生过程中的,一个个夹杂其间的心的状态而已,也是本缘生无常、无我的。而这才是佛法中需见证的真正的“缘生无我”性。

这就是为什么有些禅观行者,在观了身体了,观了感受了,观了想法了……知其这些都是无常无我的,可怎么还感觉有个观者呢?是呀,你从来就认可有一个观者角度,有一个我在那里,然后,我们从来都是研究里边的对象,它们是怎样的规律,我们也研究了它们的条件性,是啊,哪个不是因缘而果的无常变化的,然后你再回归那个知者,何谓回归,就是原来所有的这些,都是在我们的觉知状态里,这个觉知状态本身,无论是观(觉知)什么,是投入到对象内容里,还是旁观式前面的觉知状态的已生起又灭去,原来它们都是不同的觉知状态,回归是指的这一点。这才是唯一需要见证的缘生无我的角度、地方。

所以,他跟观哪个所缘是没有关系的,如他在观身体,观身体任何一个部位,观何种感受,当时无论觉知哪个所缘,那个觉知状态下,一旦体证到缘生无我,心(觉知)就见法了,就明白一切觉知状态的共性——条件影响下的不断相续生灭的逼迫式无我性,而不是说观了身,再观受,再观想、行、识,才能见法,或者说才能心解脱,不是的。若这见法及心解脱,必须与所缘的不同具体分类都一一挂钩,那也就需和一个个具体所缘对象挂钩,那怎么能去体验老早过去已无法记起的或未来还没经历的,它们是否也必缘生无我呢?

每个人,都有生命中的自己角度的觉知状态,所以说,每个人只能是破了自己的这个觉知状态的有常有我,而知缘生法,然后,这个时候他里边的任何的所缘,他心中都不会再执着、挑剔而生不满之苦了,是指的这个意思。

因此,我们并不是要做到全知,佛陀也否认了自己有否全知的问题。从这一点,你去想一想,你能够了知所有的一切现象吗?既然不能全知,你就不可能了知一切现象,你怎么能说它们肯定都是缘生无我的?

所以说,佛陀从来不在这些问题上与人纠缠,为什么?原因就是在这儿。

烦恼的根除与生命生活中的其他规律、真理、真相的是否了知,是没有关系的。

生活中,我们面临的各种事情,可说都有它们相应的因果条件及规律等。象手机、汽车、空调呀,如何制造、使用有其相应因果条件、程序;太阳系各行星运转有其规律;又或某疾病如何治疗啦,也有其因果条件及规律……

佛陀的灭苦过程及后来开示的灭苦法,不是在探究、验证觉知状态里的相关内容、对象,它们是怎样怎样的,怎么发生的,怎么因缘生灭的,那不是必须要研究的,但这有些的确是生活、学习、工作所需要的,但是,灭除烦恼是不需要的,不在这儿的,而在觉知它们的这个当下的觉知状态本身。

所以呢,若不是因觉知而呈现的这心本身去自证其状态相续生灭、被变而无我的共性,无论探究诸如以上所缘对象怎样的因果规律,都是无法令不满之心态不再生的。

觉知状态就是发生的现实,不是指里面那些所缘、对象怎样的现实发生,是指包含着它们的当下过往的觉知状态,即心态本身。

如果回到觉知状态本身时,它就自然可说,是觉知心无条件接纳已灭觉知心时,也就自然只剩一种真相呈现——此觉知心过往生灭……由此,自证心本无我而灭除了心生不满的根基。

好啦,朋友,现在正在发生着怎样的觉知状态呢:看到文字的觉知状态,接着是思考其含义的觉知状态,其后或是旁观式回忆刚才那个思考时的觉知状态,又接着或开始看文思考的觉知状态……

来吧,先放下手机,放松下来,体会一下……对,这就是觉知状态,如无声的流水过往,过往,……无论它又怎样,它仍在过往不住停……

看,就这么简单,如此,觉知心也就逐渐没了刻意着力点,这是破无明断烦恼,唯一的关注角度。

这最后,就是简单事,重复做,坚持就是。

未来,我们终有一刻,见证并体验到人生中最有意义的一件事——烦恼不满的彻灭,也就是涅槃的真实不虚。

那时,生活依旧,老病死依旧,然一切烦恼已荡然无存,亦不再生!
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Yes. It does not mean panpsychism.. Buddhism is not a philosophy of panpsychism. It is much more profound than that.
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  • Yin Ling
    ytd I was watching a film called AWARE with my partner and this film they go on and on about panpsychism, plant consciousness, scientist investigating neuron producing consciousness that makes me SO frustrated lol, I ask my partner to skip and skip to Matthieu Richard part that he was SOooo annoyed with me lol. I mean.. it doesnt make sense!
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    • William Lim
      More compassion my dear 😂 You just said yesterday that even the Buddha said not everyone is ready for emptiness teaching. To be an effective teacher, you have to understand (and accommodate) the level of the student 🙏🏼
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    • Yin Ling
      William Lim ahahaha yeah he scold me saying I am not open minded!
      Im like but they are the ones not open minded! 🤣
      Then we change film 🤣
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  • John Tan
    I like 慧律法师 a lot. There is another video by him also about 情与无情,同圆种智 but explanation not as good as this one. He spoke of 一合相 in that youtube.
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Soh Wei Yu
Copying Yin Ling's translations over
Yin Ling is feeling chill.
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“所有的相都是能量的表相,
能量的冷却就是我们的物质
物质的高速就化做能量
All forms are appearances of energy,
when energy cools, it becomes our material forms.
but when material forms vibrate in high speed it becomes energy"
”若人识得心,大地无寸土“
If one understand the heart (of the dharma), there is not even a particle of sand in the whole universe.
所有的法界,都是我们的真如自性
All dharmas, are our own empty clarity.
This IMO explain Kevatta Sutta really well. It is not intellectual, it is this kind of direct experience. this is from Surangama sutta. (楞严经)
There are so few teachers who transmit the dharma like that.. via direct felt sense, they just keep transmitting their own wisdom and allows you to feel into the dharma experientially. We want to aim for this as practitioners. There is no room for inference in death and bardos.
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